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Dec 18, 2009, 11:27:17 AM12/18/09
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Dear All,
As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
planet. It will also affect us;
rising sea levels, dwindling water supplies, mass deaths due to heat
waves, stoppage of the gulfstream, which
brings milder climate to north of Europe, super hurricanes, less food
due to droughts are some of the effects.
As you also know global warming is produced due to CO2 emissions
coming from burning of fossil fuels. So what
can every single person do to reduce global warming ?


1) Insulation: Do you know that you can save 50% of heating energy
(and money) by insulation ? Especially in
the times the financial crisis, you can make the insulation cheaper
and save the money when oil, natural gas and
coal prices are higher due to higher demand. What needs to be
insulated ? Firstly the Roof, since warmer air
goes up, then the windows (tripple glass or at least dual glass and
shutters for additional insulation at night,
and in summer time), then the outer walls. Also small cracks, leaks in
weatherstrips etc should be eliminated.
An infrared inspection of your house for heat losses would be the best
way to find out what else can be done.
A wintergarden will help heating your house additionally in winter
time.

2) Using rechargable batteries instead of alkaline batteries, and
charge them during less demand ours like at night
will also save a lot of energy and money.

3) Lightning; the use of Compact fluorescent lamps instead of
traditioanl light bulbs will save 80% of energy, the
use of very new LED lamps will save even more.

4) Buying local. Most of the energy is spent for transportation of
imported goods, especially food. By buying local
made food you not only save a lot of energy, but also create more jobs
at home.

5) Heating; there are several way to save energy and money by changing
the heating method; you can use the free heat
of the nature by adding a solar thermal equipment to heat the water
for taking showers and also to heat your home.
Additionally you can use a heating pump, which funtions like a reverse
fridge; it takes the heat of the outside and
transfers it to your home. You use much much less energy to do this
(electricity to pump a liquid).

6) Your car; by buying a hybrid car you save 30% of fuel, by
converting your car to CNG (compressed natural gas) you
can save a lot of CO2, since CNG has much less carbon but more
hydrogen, which will result in water (CH4 instead of
C8H18). CNG will also result in much more energy output per mass. The
conversion is not very expensive. It is totally
save, since the storage has to resist a certain pressure.
Of course there are also other smaller things you have to consider:
- Each 60 pounds increases fuel consumption by 10%.
- Aggressive driving (speeding, rapid acceleration, and hard braking)
wastes gas. It can lower your highway gas mileage
33% and city mileage 5%.
- Drive at lowest and constant rpms; 2000 rpm are enough; you can save
up to 30%. Even a Porsche can be driven at the
4th gear at 20 mph and at the 6th gear at 50 mph with 2.5 times less
fuel consumption.
- Avoid high speeds. Driving 75 mph, rather than 65 mph, could cut
your fuel economy by 15%.
- Use air conditioning only when necessary
- Keep tires properly inflated and aligned to improve your gasoline
mileage by around 3.3%.
- Replace clogged air filters to improve gas mileage by as much as 10%
and protect your engine
- Combine errands into one trip. Several short trips, each one taken
from a cold start, can use twice as much fuel as
one trip covering the same distance when the engine is warm. Do not
forget that in the first mile your car uses 8
times more fuel, in the second mile 4 times and only after the
fourth mile it becomes normal

7) Buying A++ or A+++ equipments. The extra money you pay for this
will be back in 1-2 years. It will save a lot of CO2.

8) Try to save also energy at your job; you can do it by insulation,
more efficient processes, heat recovery, more
efficient pumps/engines, low temperature processses, material
saving, water savings, optimization, automatic turning
off of unnecessary energy using processes, control if some
processes are really necessary (the change of some
processes makes other processes sometimes unnecesarry on which
nobody has thought about).

9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very
cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells
can operate a fridge for example.

Regards.

Dave Cohen

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Dec 18, 2009, 12:29:13 PM12/18/09
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This is hardly the appropriate group, plus the believers already are
aware of these measures. Unfortunately, here in the US a large
proportion of the population either don't believe we are warming and if
they do, they deny it's man made. They also don't believe in evolution
and possibly thinking period, although they would deny the latter.

Bigguy

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Dec 18, 2009, 12:36:07 PM12/18/09
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Please take your warmist scaremongering gibberish and go away...

G

Fr...@zappa.com

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:06:19 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:27:17 -0800 (PST), ".." <sustainabl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dear All,
>As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
>planet. It will also affect us;
>rising sea levels, dwindling water supplies, mass deaths due to heat
>waves, stoppage of the gulfstream, which
>brings milder climate to north of Europe, super hurricanes, less food
>due to droughts are some of the effects.
>As you also know global warming is produced due to CO2 emissions
>coming from burning of fossil fuels. So what
>can every single person do to reduce global warming ?
>

we can panic
we can run around weeting our pants (same thing)
we can pretend we matter
we can pretend we can control it

after a while it's just more trendy bullshit.go back to your Chardonnay and Brie parties.

Rich

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:03:02 PM12/18/09
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Fag-off you SHEEP.

Chris Malcolm

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Dec 18, 2009, 9:01:04 PM12/18/09
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Dave Cohen <us...@example.net> wrote:

> Unfortunately, here in the US a large
> proportion of the population either don't believe we are warming and if
> they do, they deny it's man made.

I can't understand why so many are so concerned about whether it's man
made. All that matters is whether it's happening, if so is it going to
bad for us, and if so can we do something about it. It doesn't matter
a damn who or what is to blame.

--
Chris Malcolm

J. Clarke

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Dec 19, 2009, 12:33:32 AM12/19/09
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Well, actually it does matter. If we're doing something that is causing it
then we can stop doing whatever it is, at huge cost. If we're not doing
anything that is causing it then there's no point in investing huge effort
into stopping what we are doing.

Chris Malcolm

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Dec 19, 2009, 5:22:02 AM12/19/09
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Too black and white to say "then there's no point in stopping what
we're doing". It could for example not be our fault in the sense that
it would be happening anyway without us, but we're making it worse, so
one of the things we might need to do to ameliorate the effects would
be to stop what we're doing that's making it worse.

--
Chris Malcolm

nailer

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Dec 19, 2009, 7:24:47 AM12/19/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:27:17 -0800 (PST), ".."
<sustainabl...@gmail.com> wrote:

each human expels 1 kg of CO2 each day, plus some methane. Animals
likewise.
ISNt' the slution obvious?

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Jim Bob

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Dec 19, 2009, 10:50:28 AM12/19/09
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".." <sustainabl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:97a4fdb3-ddba-4d66...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

Sounds good and I like the post.

However, what energy/emissions goes into producing solar products, and what
happens to them at end of life?

nailer

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Dec 20, 2009, 5:38:25 AM12/20/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:04:57 -0800 (PST), piks11 <pik...@live.com>
wrote:

>On Dec 19, 6:24�am, nailer <m...@home.universe.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:27:17 -0800 (PST), ".."
>>

>> <sustainable.future...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> each human expels 1 kg of CO2 each day, plus some methane. Animals
>> likewise.
>> ISNt' the slution obvious?
>

>yep, the slution is as obvious as the noes on your face - human and
>animal
>CO2/Methane expellations must be reduced by 20% by 2020.


thanks for careful and critical reading of my post.

C J Campbell

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Dec 21, 2009, 10:40:53 AM12/21/09
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On 2009-12-18 08:27:17 -0800, ".." <sustainabl...@gmail.com> said:

> Dear All,
> As you know global warming is endangering the future of life on the
> planet. It will also affect us;
> rising sea levels, dwindling water supplies, mass deaths due to heat
> waves, stoppage of the gulfstream, which
> brings milder climate to north of Europe, super hurricanes, less food
> due to droughts are some of the effects.
> As you also know global warming is produced due to CO2 emissions
> coming from burning of fossil fuels. So what
> can every single person do to reduce global warming ?

About this time of year, actually, I am in favor of it.

As for the rest of your stuff, I already do all that. Not because of
global warming. Not even because I am cheap (which I am). No, I do all
those things because it is my pleasure.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Jim Bob

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Dec 21, 2009, 12:28:54 PM12/21/09
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"Jim Bob" <J...@whatever.com> wrote in message
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>> 9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very
>> cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells
>> can operate a fridge for example.

> Sounds good and I like the post.


>
> However, what energy/emissions goes into producing solar products, and
> what happens to them at end of life?


Sorry, just to add, I remember reading an article a while back that talked
about the possibility of embedding solar panels in road surfaces, which
would be used to not only power street lights, traffic information signs,
traffic lights, etc., but to also supply surplus electricity to the national
grid and even recharge vehicles as they drive along using inductive
charging. One of the problems, except cost, was that apparently to create
solar panels at the moment results in a lot of toxins.


tony cooper

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Dec 21, 2009, 1:05:11 PM12/21/09
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:28:54 -0000, "Jim Bob" <J...@whatever.com> wrote:

>"Jim Bob" <J...@whatever.com> wrote in message
>news:TK-dnaKLk4rQa7HW...@pipex.net...
>
>>> 9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very
>>> cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells
>>> can operate a fridge for example.
>
>> Sounds good and I like the post.
>>
>> However, what energy/emissions goes into producing solar products, and
>> what happens to them at end of life?
>
>
>Sorry, just to add, I remember reading an article a while back that talked
>about the possibility of embedding solar panels in road surfaces, which
>would be used to not only power street lights, traffic information signs,
>traffic lights, etc.,

The concept is being used. There are illuminated road signs in this
area with a solar panel atop to provide the power for the
illumination. A common application is a sign that measures and shows
your speed. The call boxes along the interstates use solar panels to
provide the electrical power.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Allen

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Dec 21, 2009, 1:20:42 PM12/21/09
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In Austin for at least 10 years,many school zone signs with flashing
lights have been solar powered. We have to start using as many
alternative energy methods as we can find, especially wind and solar
along with the well-established hydroelectric. Settling on just one
method, as some here have suggested in the past, won't cut it. One
poster, delightfully forgotten, even went so far as to say that wind
power wasn't practical because electricity was required to start
generators. I wonder how all the windmills I saw as a child (pre-REA)
got started? Or the ones in Holland and many other places in the world?
Tunnel vision, sadly, sometimes triumphs.
Allen

GMAN

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Dec 21, 2009, 3:57:04 PM12/21/09
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Well large scale use of fully electric cars are never going to get off the
ground if they dont start allowing new nuclear plants to be built to replace
the coal plants the tree huggers so hate.

After all, thats where most of the electric cars get their power to charge
them, coal plants!!!

Martin Brown

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Dec 22, 2009, 3:24:49 PM12/22/09
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tony cooper wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:28:54 -0000, "Jim Bob" <J...@whatever.com> wrote:
>
>> "Jim Bob" <J...@whatever.com> wrote in message
>> news:TK-dnaKLk4rQa7HW...@pipex.net...
>>
>>>> 9) Solar cells for your own home; at the moment solar cells are very
>>>> cheap since there is an overproduction. These cells
>>>> can operate a fridge for example.
>>> Sounds good and I like the post.

The payback time is still pretty hopeless unless you live somewhere with
nearly perpetual sunshine. Solar hot water is fine but even then you
really need to calculate the payback time.

>>> However, what energy/emissions goes into producing solar products, and
>>> what happens to them at end of life?
>>
>> Sorry, just to add, I remember reading an article a while back that talked
>> about the possibility of embedding solar panels in road surfaces, which
>> would be used to not only power street lights, traffic information signs,
>> traffic lights, etc.,

It is a lost cause in road surfaces they would be destroyed within the
first day of operation. I have seen LED based cats eyes their MTBF isn't
very impressive. The old glass marble ones last 10x as long. Even
granite and heavy slate rock wears at a horrific rate on busy roads.

Making refined silica is very energy intensive the kit has to work for a
long time just to pay back its manufacture. For a balanced energy
inventry of alternative energy technologies try:

http://www.withouthotair.com/


>
> The concept is being used. There are illuminated road signs in this
> area with a solar panel atop to provide the power for the
> illumination. A common application is a sign that measures and shows
> your speed. The call boxes along the interstates use solar panels to
> provide the electrical power.

And they are a complete joke in the UK at latitude 50+ where the things
die horribly every winter wrecking a full set of batteries and are out
of service to warn of dangerous bends *exactly* when they are needed
most in the frosty mornings of mid-winter.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Allen

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Dec 22, 2009, 3:33:46 PM12/22/09
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There is an obvious solution: don't use them there. We _must_ look to
multiple sources of energy, not be tied to just on. Incidentally, one
great advantage to traffic signs and such is the there is no need to run
wiring to them. Take one to the site, set it in place, pour cement
around it, go home. Incidentally, one thing that I hope has become
almost universal by now: LED traffic lights; lower power consumption,
longer life (reducing maintenance cost) and great visibility.
Allen

egbert_no_bacon

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Dec 22, 2009, 8:27:44 PM12/22/09
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my personal take on this

the earth is round, do we agree here
the more moisture the more clouds, do we agree here
the more clouds the earth cools, do we agree here
therefore the earth can look after it's self

if you don't agree

burst more fridges i say, i wanna be warmer

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Ray Fischer

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Dec 28, 2009, 7:55:07 PM12/28/09
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Father Guido Sarducci <d...@novello.com> wrote:
>That hasn't stopped the environazis from cramming mercury-packed CFLs down
>our throats.

Kook.

--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net

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