Old cars (pics)
Focus
heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
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Focus
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tony cooper
>I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've never
>heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>
>http://atlantic-diesel.com/
I see that someone else in the thread is aware (or thinks) that you
live in Portugal. When you refer to "home", it would be nice if you'd
tell us where "home" is.
The "Aronde" was made by Simca.
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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
Frank ess
Focus wrote:
> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've never
> heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>
> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
I believe the green one in the first photo started life as an English
Ford "Consul".
Simca's "Aronde" was imported to the USA for a short time in the late
1950s-early1960s. Some models had an engine based on the pre-WWII Ford
V8-60, if I recall correctly. Or it may have been the convertible
"Plein Ciel"; I dunno.
Each of those hulks played a significant role in someon's life.
Imagine.
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Frank ess
Frank ess
Savageduck wrote:
> On 2009-02-16 17:55:50 -0800, "Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Focus wrote:
>>> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've
>>> never heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>>>
>>> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
>>
>> I believe the green one in the first photo started life as an
>> English Ford "Consul".
>
> I am not too sure about that being a Consul which had slightly
> accentuated tail fins. It then passed on styling genes to the Anglia
> which morphed into the Escort.
> The Consul became the Granada.
>
> I think the car in the first photo is probably a mid-50's Vauxhall
> Velox. Also noted is the Mini just behind it.
I must have been thinking of the Anglia (if that can be called
thinking - memory is the second thing to go), and I still like the
shape for the green one:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/1960.ford.anglia.100E.arp.750pix.jpg
or
http://tinyurl.com/crtl2h
>
> I noticed a Honda and a VW Golf are also represented
>>
>> Simca's "Aronde" was imported to the USA for a short time in the
>> late 1950s-early1960s. Some models had an engine based on the
>> pre-WWII Ford V8-60, if I recall correctly. Or it may have been
>> the convertible "Plein Ciel"; I dunno.
>
> I don't think there was a Simca which ever had an engine based on a
> Ford V8 You will find the early 50's Aronde had a FIAT based 4
> cylinder engine.
>>
It was the Simca Vedette. Oops.
http://www.btc-bci.com/~billben/french.htm
>> Each of those hulks played a significant role in someon's life.
>> Imagine.
>
> For most of us working stiff motorheads of all nationalities, cars
> of any age, type and price point have always been the machine to
> open the door to the promise of significant life change (until the
> first problem reared its ugly head.)
>
> Getting that drivers license has been a rite of passage for
> adolescents the World over.
The whole thing got some of us stuck there, too.
Cheers!
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Frank ess
D-Mac
"Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
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Wrong in most of it Frank.
It's Ford right enough but 'Prefect" Old four cylinder side valve job. I
had one way back when. I drove it 700 miles with a broken crankshaft. Not
something you'd try with a modern car except maybe a VW.
There's an austin A30 there too but the Simca only had a 4 cylinder engine.
That particular model was rather notorious for breaking crankshafts. Later
models used 5 main bearings instead of 3 but if you drove 'em hard they
would boil their oil while the effective cooling system happily showed temp
OK! My Grandfather ran a speed shop making things like 4 speed floor changer
kits and oil coolers for these cretins.
The Simca with the little side valve V8 was a "Vedette". French idea of
luxury. Everyone else left scratching their heads that a 1965 model car
still has a side valve engine.
That old diahatsui motor home is a gem, isn't it?
One of the better links I've seen in the last few years.
D-Mac.info
tony cooper
wrote:
>
>"Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
>news:EfWdnRzMpLG3hAfU...@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> Focus wrote:
>>> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've never
>>> heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>>>
>>> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
>>
>> I believe the green one in the first photo started life as an English Ford
>> "Consul".
>>
>> Simca's "Aronde" was imported to the USA for a short time in the late
>> 1950s-early1960s. Some models had an engine based on the pre-WWII Ford
>> V8-60, if I recall correctly. Or it may have been the convertible "Plein
>> Ciel"; I dunno.
>>
>> Each of those hulks played a significant role in someon's life. Imagine.
>>
>> --
>> Frank ess
>
>Wrong in most of it Frank.
>It's Ford right enough but 'Prefect" Old four cylinder side valve job. I
>had one way back when. I drove it 700 miles with a broken crankshaft. Not
>something you'd try with a modern car except maybe a VW.
>
>There's an austin A30 there too
That white car with the green hood placed across it looks like the '48
Austin A40 I had when I was in college in the late 50s. Mine was
faded olive green, though. Sunroof and turn signals that popped up on
the side between the doors. Couldn't close the sun roof because I put
a church key on the roof one night and it got wedged in the track.
Poor thing caught on fire and burned up. The post-war "rubber"
insulation on the wiring disintegrated and a short caught the engine
on fire.
Paul Bartram
"Focus" <do...@mail.me> wrote in message
news:3N6dnbVTQcwUYgTU...@novis.pt...
>I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've never heard
>of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
Bloody hell, I nearly had a conniption when I opened that page and saw the
copywrite notice "Bertram Paul". That's uncomfortably close to my name,
reversed! I guess it's not all that uncommon for people to have the same
name as someone else, but seeing it in print like that...
That green car is nothing like the 105E Anglia, which had a backward-raked
rear window. Could be a Prefect, but looks too big.
Wasn't it great when you could actually identify the make and model of a car
just by looking at it? Now they all look exactly the same...
Paul
SteveB
"Savageduck" <savag...@savage.net> wrote in message
news:2009021620510137709-savageduck@savagenet...
> On 2009-02-16 20:21:09 -0800, "Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> said:
>
>>
>>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2009-02-16 17:55:50 -0800, "Frank ess" <fr...@fshe2fs.com> said:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Focus wrote:
>>>>> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've
>>>>> never heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
>>>>
>>>> I believe the green one in the first photo started life as an
>>>> English Ford "Consul".
>>>
>>> I am not too sure about that being a Consul which had slightly
>>> accentuated tail fins. It then passed on styling genes to the Anglia
>>> which morphed into the Escort.
>>> The Consul became the Granada.
>>>
>>> I think the car in the first photo is probably a mid-50's Vauxhall
>>> Velox. Also noted is the Mini just behind it.
>>
>> I must have been thinking of the Anglia (if that can be called thinking -
>> memory is the second thing to go), and I still like the shape for the
>> green one:
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/1960.ford.anglia.100E.arp.750pix.jpg
>> or
>> http://tinyurl.com/crtl2h
>
> body. I didn't think Consul, but that 1960 Anglia seems to be the perfect
> fit.
>
> Good eye.
>>
>>>
>>> I noticed a Honda and a VW Golf are also represented
>>>>
>>>> Simca's "Aronde" was imported to the USA for a short time in the
>>>> late 1950s-early1960s. Some models had an engine based on the
>>>> pre-WWII Ford V8-60, if I recall correctly. Or it may have been
>>>> the convertible "Plein Ciel"; I dunno.
>>>
>>> I don't think there was a Simca which ever had an engine based on a
>>> Ford V8 You will find the early 50's Aronde had a FIAT based 4
>>> cylinder engine.
>>>>
>>
>> It was the Simca Vedette. Oops.
>> http://www.btc-bci.com/~billben/french.htm
>
> Chrysler really created a mess when they bought Rootes so they could gain
> entry to the European market. They pretty much ran Talbot, Simca, Singer,
> Hillman, Humber and Sunbeam (the Tiger had a Ford V8) into the ground.
> Alpines and Tigers are rare items now-a-days.
>>
>>>> Each of those hulks played a significant role in someon's life.
>>>> Imagine.
>>>
>>> For most of us working stiff motorheads of all nationalities, cars
>>> of any age, type and price point have always been the machine to
>>> open the door to the promise of significant life change (until the
>>> first problem reared its ugly head.)
>>>
>>> Getting that drivers license has been a rite of passage for
>>> adolescents the World over.
>>
>> The whole thing got some of us stuck there, too.
>>
>
> Nostalgia can be an exercise to hold off old fartdom.
> Even if the nostalgia relates to old cars, planes and cameras.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Savageduck
I had a Simca in high school, 1966. It was a '56 IIRC. Small four banger.
Paid $40 for it. Looked like someone had painted it with a broom.
Steve
Paul Bartram
> "Savageduck" <savag...@savage.net> wrote
> Well check this 1960 100E
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1960-Anglia.jpg
Yes, realised after I posted that there was an earlier car called the
Anglia. The 105E (1963) was my Dad's first car, and I always thought it was
directly descended from the Prefect. Later on, I bought one too - the van
version, which was very common in NZ where I'd moved to.
Paul
D-Mac
> slightly larger Prefect lived along side the Anglia as an older cousin
> until it morphed into the Cortina.
> I guess you spied the Riley.
>
> Damn we are getting Old!!!
> --
> Regards,
> Savageduck
>
Sorry, The Anglia was a two door and the Prefect a four door in exactly the
same body shape but for a bigger hole for the door!
Yeah... I once owned a Riley pathfinder. Gear change beside the seat, pure
magic to drive... When it decided to run! I didn't realize how old I was
getting until that post got me digging through my negatives looking for
examples of the bad old days when all the neighbourhood lads used to line up
for a drag in the main street!
My boss had (then) an old Bently race car he'd get out and blast up an down
the main street after 6:00 PM when the coppers used to knock off for the
night! Pure magic to hear that monster scream.
I don't imagine the youth of today will ever experience the joy of having
saved Five quid for a drum of ethenol on Friday night. Binkie's Burger bar,
Bondi beach when you could find a bit of clean sand, Sheilas looking slyly
as you rolled on past with the engine running rich to sound like it had a
race cam in it.
God... I feel like crying over a wonderful life interupted by National
Service and Kings Cross filling up with US soldiers of Fuck and impregnate
leave. Oh well. Old we get but only our bodies can't relive those wonderful
days.
D-MAc.info
Focus
Home is Torres Vedras, Portugal. About 40 km north of Lisbon.
The Simca is right. I found it on Google. They had one with a clock in
the steering wheel! Must be funny on a curved road, like they have so
many here:"What time is it?"
"10 to 2, no, 3 o'clock, no 20 to twelve... ;-)
Focus
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:14:50 -0800, Savageduck wrote:
>
>> On 2009-02-16 16:06:39 -0800, Focus <do...@mail.me> said:
>>
>>> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've never
>>> heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>>>
>>> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
>> confimed that!!
>>
>> You have quite the photogenic group there.
>>
>> Well, I see two different Datsun grills, a Peugeot, Renault, Fords
>> Zephyr & Taurus, what looks like a stripped Riley, a Humber, and a
>> Sunbeam amongst the pile.
>> The Aronde was a Simca last built in 1963.
>>
>> Did all the 60's Rootes (Sunbeam & Simca), EuroFord and British Leyland
>> vehicles go to Portugal to die?
>
> And a Nissan, a Nissan Truck, and possibly an Austin Mini ..... and a
> 'Steam Roller', which /might/ be a Volvo.
>
> Some look quite restorable, as well.
>
>
> Clint
The Nissan truck is actually a camper or what is left of it.
Strange thing about that one, is the headlights look brand new, while
the rest is rust.
Noons
>
> The Simca is right. I found it on Google. They had one with a clock in
> the steering wheel! Must be funny on a curved road, like they have so
> many here:"What time is it?"
> "10 to 2, no, 3 o'clock, no 20 to twelve... ;-)
>
>
My grandpa had one of those. Same grey colour.
It served him well for many years before replacing it with another Simca.
He religiously covered the engine with a blanket every night, and the car never
failed to start in the morning. Still have to understand why...
to...@altavista.com
wrote:
What ? Why he covered it with the blanket.... or that it never failed
to start ???
Frank ess
Savageduck wrote:
> On 2009-02-16 22:52:36 -0800, Savageduck <savag...@savage.net>
> said:
>> On 2009-02-16 22:33:44 -0800, "Paul Bartram" <paul.bartram AT OR
>> NEAR lizzy.com.au> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Focus" <do...@mail.me> wrote in message
>>> news:3N6dnbVTQcwUYgTU...@novis.pt...
>>>> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've
>>>> never heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>>>
>>>> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
>>>
>>> Bloody hell, I nearly had a conniption when I opened that page
>>> and saw the copywrite notice "Bertram Paul". That's uncomfortably
>>> close to my name, reversed! I guess it's not all that uncommon
>>> for people to have the same name as someone else, but seeing it
>>> in print like that... That green car is nothing like the 105E
>>> Anglia, which had a
>>> backward-raked rear window. Could be a Prefect, but looks too big.
>>
>> Well check this 1960 100E
>> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/1960-Anglia.jpg
>>
>> Here is the later 105E and a 123E with the backward-raked rear
>> window. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Anglia.jpg
>>>
>>> Wasn't it great when you could actually identify the make and
>>> model of a car just by looking at it? Now they all look exactly
>>> the same... Paul
>
> WHAT was i thinking????
>
> That junker is a four door! It couldn't be an Anglia.
>
> I still think it is too big to be a Prefect
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Prefect.jpg
> and the shape of the rear wheel well cut out doesn't look right for
> a Consul, however inhindsight that seems to be the best match.
> http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Consul.jpg
Well. That's certainly the one that my misty memory wanted to serve
up. Roof shape and rear wheel/fender shape, I think.
The one with a rear-raked backlight was familiar, as a Southern
California racer had one to play at Riverside International Raceway,
much to onlookers' delight. Orange it was. Usual OldGuy disclaimers
apply.
Any road, thank goodness for photography and car nuts. Where would I
be without them?
--
Frank ess
San Diego CA
USA
Noons
>>> The Simca is right. I found it on Google. They had one with a clock in
>>> the steering wheel! Must be funny on a curved road, like they have so
>>> many here:"What time is it?"
>>> "10 to 2, no, 3 o'clock, no 20 to twelve... ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> My grandpa had one of those. Same grey colour.
>> It served him well for many years before replacing it with another Simca.
>> He religiously covered the engine with a blanket every night, and the car never
>> failed to start in the morning. Still have to understand why...
>
> What ? Why he covered it with the blanket.... or that it never failed
> to start ???
>
Both. The correlation between them.
Focus
> Focus wrote:
>> I found these old cars on the way back home. Some of them I've never
>> heard of, like the "Aronde". Anybody know about them?
>>
>> http://atlantic-diesel.com/
>>
Stop posting and reading in aus.photo
Chris Malcolm
Warmer engines start more easily. especially those whose carburation
is done by old fashioned carburretters. If it's too cold you don't get
a good enough evaporation and mix and petrol vapour with air for
combustion.
--
Chris Malcolm
Avery
wrote:
>Focus wrote,on my timestamp of 17/02/2009 11:08 PM:
May I suggest that if your grandpa was diligent enough to blanket the
engine every night, he was probably diligent enough to have it well
serviced, cleaned and adjusted - he may well have done it all himself.
This probably had something to do with its reliability.
Avery
wrote:
Maybe there is none.
I have never covered my daily drive's engine with a blanket. It has
never failed to start.
I have another car in my garage that has a blanket over it, it has
not started in 10 years.
beware of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
John McWilliams
Avery
<Identity_crisis_37@razed_and_defused.info> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:24:35 +1100, Avery wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:14:23 +1100, Noons <wizo...@yahoo.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>to...@altavista.com wrote,on my timestamp of 18/02/2009 1:55 AM:
>>>
>>>>>> The Simca is right. I found it on Google. They had one with a clock in
>>>>>> the steering wheel! Must be funny on a curved road, like they have so
>>>>>> many here:"What time is it?"
>>>>>> "10 to 2, no, 3 o'clock, no 20 to twelve... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> My grandpa had one of those. Same grey colour.
>>>>> It served him well for many years before replacing it with another Simca.
>>>>> He religiously covered the engine with a blanket every night, and the car never
>>>>> failed to start in the morning. Still have to understand why...
>>>>
>>>> What ? Why he covered it with the blanket.... or that it never failed
>>>> to start ???
>>>>
>>>
>>>Both. The correlation between them.
>>
>>
>> Maybe there is none.
>
>And maybe there is.
>
>Depends on temperatures (ambient, air and metal) and type of aspiration.
>
>Blankets back then, electric block-warmers today.
>
>
>> I have never covered my daily drive's engine with a blanket. It has
>> never failed to start.
>
>As me dear grandmama used to say, 'it's not because of it, it's in spite
>of it'. ! <joke, BTW>
please see "post hoc ergo propter hoc"
>
>But again, the same answer as above.
>
>
>> I have another car in my garage that has a blanket over it, it has not
>> started in 10 years.
>
>If it hasn't started in 10 years, it needs far more than a blanket!
>
>Maybe a few organ transplants, fresh bodily fluids and the electroshock
>paddles would help....!
Noons
> beware of post hoc ergo propter hoc.
bless you!
Noons
> engine every night, he was probably diligent enough to have it well
> serviced, cleaned and adjusted - he may well have done it all himself.
He did.
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