D5100 File numbering...

[Jake]

This camera has three options, File number sequence on/off/reset.

The default is off, I guess this means that the camera will number the
photos sequentially from the last photo shot, once I wipe the card, it will
start again from DSC_0001

I don't want it to do this so I turned it to on, and shot some more photos.
However it created a new folder 101D5100 and started from DSC_0001, ignoring
the 270 or so I had already shot in 100D5100.

I renamed the files manually so the sequence matches and moved them into
100D5100, then turned the number sequence to off. But when I fill the card,
it will start shooting from DSC_0001 again, how do I get it to remember the
last number even when I wipe the card?

Turning it on the file number sequence, any further photos are at DSC_0030
or something, the thirty or so photos I shot before I realised they were all
out of sequence.

[Me]

I don't have a d5100. There's probably a setting in the "shooting menu"
part of the menu system, to change the "active folder", or allowing you
to select an existing folder or create a new folder number.
For some obscure reason, this is in a completely different part of the
menu system (at least on my nikon dslr) than the file number sequence
settings you've been looking at.
Nikon's menu system drives me nuts. Even after owning and using the
same camera for 5 years, I still have to hunt around - I don't find the
reason that they put settings i.n particular sections of the menu
intuitive at all.

[Savageduck]

On 2013-03-19 11:51:55 -0700, "Jake" <ja...@jakesplaice.com> said:

> This camera has three options, File number sequence on/off/reset.

Yup!

> The default is off, I guess this means that the camera will number the
> photos sequentially from the last photo shot, once I wipe the card, it will
> start again from DSC_0001

When set to "Off" the file numbering will be reset to 0001 when a new
folder is created, the card is formatted, or if you put a new
(fresh/different) card into the camera. A new folder will be created if
the current folder contains 999 shots.

> I don't want it to do this so I turned it to on, and shot some more photos.
> However it created a new folder 101D5100 and started from DSC_0001, ignoring
> the 270 or so I had already shot in 100D5100.

You can't change horses in midstream without some consequences.
If you had turned the sequence option to "On" and then formatted the
card in your camera you should have a single folder and you should have
a numbering sequence running from DSC_0001 to DSC_9999.
Changing the option without formatting the card is going to result in a
new folder being generated.

> I renamed the files manually so the sequence matches and moved them into
> 100D5100, then turned the number sequence to off. But when I fill the card,
> it will start shooting from DSC_0001 again, how do I get it to remember the
> last number even when I wipe the card?

Renumbering and moving files back onto the card is not a good idea.

Set the option to "On" the numbering sequence will run from from
DSC_0001 to DSC_9999 before the camera creates a new folder and
restarts the sequence. That will happen regardless of any further card
formatting, using a different card (reformatted or not) or a new card.
Note: using a different card which has been used, but not formatted
after filling a card, will continue the numbering sequence where you
left off on the prior card, provided your folder numbering is the same
on both cards.

Formatting the card is not the same as resetting the numbering
sequence. If the numbering sequence option is set to "On" and you
"Format" the card, the numbering will remain intact from the last shot
taken.
If you "Reset", a new folder "101" will be created and the numbering
will restart at 0001. this is useful if you want to retain a numbered
sequence for a particular event.

> Turning it on the file number sequence, any further photos are at DSC_0030
> or something, the thirty or so photos I shot before I realised they were all
> out of sequence.

The shots taken before you have developed a consistent numbering system
for yourself will just have to be renamed and/or numbered on your
computer independent of any subsequent shots you take.

Personally, I have the numbering sequence option in my D300S set to
"On". Once I have backed up the contents of a (full or partially full)
card to my computer and my redundant backup system, I "format" the card
in the camera. The numbering sequence continues from the last shot.






--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Rob]

In the Custom menu - d has shooting and display d5 File number
sequence ON

It will not add shots or continue if you manually number the last file
as a starter. (has a mind of its own.)


Yes it will count the images on the card 001>??? but if you look
further down (the bottom of the screen)it will also count the actual
saved files 1-9999 _DSN0001.to _DSN9999. Each folder contains 999 files
before it makes a new folder but continues the sequence.


My suggestion is to turn the sequence to ON then just shoot your images
and any images that have the same number that you have previously saved
keep as a duplicate file.

[Savageduck]

Yup!
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Regards,

Savageduck

[Bo...@somewhere.com]

The system in Nikon is a bit strange, but if you want to start off with a
specific number, you need to put in a card with a photo with the last number you
want, I.E. DCP0270.

Make sure that folder is selected in the shooting menu under FOLDERS.

Set the File Number Seq. to RESET and take a picture, it will be DCP0271.

Now change the File Number Seq. to ON.

IMPORTANT: If the Nikon has in its memory the fact it took a picture numbered
higher, I.E. DCP0319, the previous might not work! It will become DCP0320!

If this happens, turn the File Number Seq. to OFF and start a new folder and
take a pic at DCP0001, then change to the folder with DCP0270, and start again
at the top of this sequence!

(An easy way to start a new folder is to put a file named DCP9999.)

I am going by my D600 but it should be the same.

Good luck!

[Rob]

It ain't straight forward is it!

[David Taylor]

On 20/03/2013 01:44, Rob wrote:
[]

> It ain't straight forward is it!

Yes, it's very straight forward once the file sequence numbering is set
to ON. Why that's not the default escapes me!
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Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

[Rob]

On 20/03/2013 5:25 PM, David Taylor wrote:
> On 20/03/2013 01:44, Rob wrote:
> []
>> It ain't straight forward is it!
>
> Yes, it's very straight forward once the file sequence numbering is set
> to ON. Why that's not the default escapes me!

Did you read my other post?

If you hadn't snipped the previous you would have seen to which I referred.

[Jake]

<Bo...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.nikonusa.com/pdf/manuals/kie88335f7869dfuejdl=-cww2/D5100_EN.pdf

The manual is here that I have read, the appropriate option appears to be on
page 180 of 260 (or page 162 of the manual)

From reading that, I shoud logically be able to put a suitably numbered file
in the 100D5100 folder, turn the numbering sequence to ON and it will
continue with that, as in some of my Canons, but the Nikon likes to create
101D5100 and start with the number in memory. When I try putting a suitably
numbered file in that newly created folder, it creates 102D5100, etc.

I will have a play around with it when I have more time and try your
suggestion, thanks!

[David Taylor]

On 20/03/2013 07:57, Rob wrote:
[]

> Did you read my other post?
>
> If you hadn't snipped the previous you would have seen to which I referred.

I still think that the default is wrong, and had it been ON from the
start there would have been less chance for confusion.

BTW: I find the practice of quoting pages and pages of previous posts
rather unhelpful, at least most of the time. I prefer to see post and
response on the one page.

[Floyd L. Davidson]

David Taylor <david-...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>On 20/03/2013 07:57, Rob wrote:
>> If you hadn't snipped the previous you would have seen to which I referred.
>
>I still think that the default is wrong, and had it been
>ON from the start there would have been less chance for
>confusion.

I'm very little concerned with what are the chosen
defaults, simply because there are always going to be
some of them that I do not choose to leave as the
default.

And I would not want to encourage a beginner to believe
that defaults are in any way sacred.

>BTW: I find the practice of quoting pages and pages of
>previous posts rather unhelpful, at least most of the
>time. I prefer to see post and response on the one page.

Absolutely true! Keeping the entire history of a thread
alive in every single post is, well, dumb... or at least
it isn't smart.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com

[Jake]

"Jake" <ja...@jakesplaice.com> wrote in message
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Nope.

Tried it, I had a file in the folder 100D5100 called DSC_549, changed file
number sequence to reset, then took a shot which ended up in same folder,
named DSC_550, then changed file number sequence to on, and I ended up with
a picture named DSC_0001 in a folder 101D5100 - i.e. it is starting from
scratch as I reset the numbering sequence, but with a new folder.

This is contrary to what I see in the manual as posted above for file number
sequence ON setting:

When a new folder is created, the memory card formatted, or a new memory
card inserted in the camera, file numbering continues from the last number
used ***or from the largest file number in the current folder***, whichever
is higher.

How do I get it to keep shooting into the current folder?

[Savageduck]

That is what "reset" does. It generates a new folder, 101, 102, 103 and
restarts the numbering sequence from 0001.
This is useful for numbering shots at a particular shoot or event.

> This is contrary to what I see in the manual as posted above for file number
> sequence ON setting:

No it isn't. Read each of the entries in the manual for "Off", "On",
and "Reset".

> When a new folder is created, the memory card formatted, or a new memory
> card inserted in the camera, file numbering continues from the last number
> used ***or from the largest file number in the current folder***, whichever
> is higher.
>
> How do I get it to keep shooting into the current folder?

Don't "Reset"!

Forget trying to fix the past.
Just re-label all your earlier shots and move on.
Thousands of us don't have your problem.

Set the sequence option to "On".
Format the card. Without formatting the card you are just going
from here on in you will have a single folder 100Dxx containing files
numbered 0001-9999. This sequence will be retained regardless of
inserting a new card, or formatting the existing card.
Once 9999 is reached a new folder 101Dxx will be generated with the
sequence restarted at 0001. The same will happen if you select "reset"
from the sequencing options.
Remember "Reset" is not the same as "Format".
If you try to manually renumber you have screwed with the system and
you will experience the type of issues you are describing. Don't try to
out think the camera.

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Regards,

Savageduck

[Savageduck]

I meant to continue here with; Without formatting the card you are just
going to compound your problem,...

[Bo...@somewhere.com]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 16:06:28 -0000, "Jake" <ja...@jakesplaice.com> wrote:

>
>Nope.
>
>Tried it, I had a file in the folder 100D5100 called DSC_549, changed file
>number sequence to reset, then took a shot which ended up in same folder,
>named DSC_550, then changed file number sequence to on, and I ended up with
>a picture named DSC_0001 in a folder 101D5100 - i.e. it is starting from
>scratch as I reset the numbering sequence, but with a new folder.
>
>This is contrary to what I see in the manual as posted above for file number
>sequence ON setting:
>
>When a new folder is created, the memory card formatted, or a new memory
>card inserted in the camera, file numbering continues from the last number
>used ***or from the largest file number in the current folder***, whichever
>is higher.
>
>How do I get it to keep shooting into the current folder?
>

What happens if you go into FOLDER MENU and tell it to use the folder with the
larger picture number??

[Bo...@somewhere.com]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:46:07 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
wrote:

>
>That is what "reset" does. It generates a new folder, 101, 102, 103 and
>restarts the numbering sequence from 0001.

Not really, if there is a photo in the directory it continues past it.

If there is nothing in the folder it starts at 0001

The one thing I'm not sure of is the how and why of creating new folders, I
never do it.

I'd go try it but I don't want to screw up my numbering!

[Savageduck]

On 2013-03-20 18:20:19 -0700, Bo...@somewhere.com said:

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:46:07 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> That is what "reset" does. It generates a new folder, 101, 102, 103 and
>> restarts the numbering sequence from 0001.
>
> Not really, if there is a photo in the directory it continues past it.

Are you shooting with a Nikon DSLR?
Then RTFM!

> If there is nothing in the folder it starts at 0001

With a Nikon DSLR, using the three options; "On", "Off", & "Reset", you
will have the following results:
"On":
Every time there is "nothing" in a folder after a reset using option
"On", the numbering will start at 0001. If you "Format" the card after
having shot say, 0001-0500 the empty "100Dxx" folder will start at
0501. Once you reach a camera shot count of 9999 a new folder "101Dxx"
will be generates starting the count at 0001.
If you "Reset" while "On" is selected you will generate a new folder
"101Dxx" with numbering starting at 0001 regardless of the camera
reaching 9999 or not.

"Off":
With the "Off" selection every time you "Reset", "Format", or insert a
new card a new folder is generated using the Nikon folder numbering
sequence "100Dxx", "101Dxx", "102Dxx", etc with file numbering from 001
to 999. When you reach 999 a new folder is generated.
On a formatted or new card the folder will be "100Dxx".

> The one thing I'm not sure of is the how and why of creating new folders, I
> never do it.

If you reset with an unformatted card you will generate a new folder
and the numbering sequence will be reset, for option "On" from 0001 and
option "Off" from 001. No further image files will be added to the
original folder on that card.

Formatting a card when using the "On" option will not screw with the
0001-9999 sequence.

> I'd go try it but I don't want to screw up my numbering!

Don't try to over think this.
Don't try to move files around on your computer.
Don't second guess the guys who built your camera.

Just understand what the camera can and cannot do regarding file
numbering, and live with it. You can always relabel once you have those
files off the card and on your computer. Both Bridge and Lightroom make
that an easy prospect.


--
Regards,

Savageduck

[Bo...@somewhere.com]

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:52:24 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>

wrote:

>On 2013-03-20 18:20:19 -0700, Bo...@somewhere.com said:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:46:07 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is what "reset" does. It generates a new folder, 101, 102, 103 and
>>> restarts the numbering sequence from 0001.
>>
>> Not really, if there is a photo in the directory it continues past it.
>
>Are you shooting with a Nikon DSLR?

I am on my 5th Nikon DSLR

>Then RTFM!

I was QUOTING the manual, smart guy...

"RESET: Same as for On, except that the next photograph taken is assigned a
file number by adding one to the largest file number in the current folder. If
the folder is empty, file numbering is reset to 0001."

UNQUOTE


FYI not all Nikons act the same. This does not work with a D60.

[Savageduck]

On 2013-03-21 17:23:23 -0700, Bo...@somewhere.com said:

> On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 18:52:24 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-03-20 18:20:19 -0700, Bo...@somewhere.com said:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:46:07 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is what "reset" does. It generates a new folder, 101, 102, 103 and
>>>> restarts the numbering sequence from 0001.
>>>
>>> Not really, if there is a photo in the directory it continues past it.
>>
>> Are you shooting with a Nikon DSLR?
>
> I am on my 5th Nikon DSLR

Well good for you!

>> Then RTFM!
>
> I was QUOTING the manual, smart guy...
>
> "RESET: Same as for On, except that the next photograph taken is assigned a
> file number by adding one to the largest file number in the current folder. If
> the folder is empty, file numbering is reset to 0001."
>
> UNQUOTE
>
>
> FYI not all Nikons act the same. This does not work with a D60.

Agreed the OP uses a D5100 and I don't, so I checked the D5100 manual:
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/D5100Mw.jpg >

I use a D300S, and while similar, it is worded differently in the manual:
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/D300SMw.jpg >

Most importantly the OP shouldn't try to fix things by renumbering and
shuffling files back into the folders on the card from his computer to
believe he was doing something to fix his problem. In his case there is
definitely a need to FTFM and understand what is said.

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Regards,

Savageduck

[Bo...@somewhere.com]

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:03:40 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
wrote:

>>> Are you shooting with a Nikon DSLR?
>>
>> I am on my 5th Nikon DSLR
>
>Well good for you!
>
>>> Then RTFM!
>>
>> I was QUOTING the manual, smart guy...
>>
>> "RESET: Same as for On, except that the next photograph taken is assigned a
>> file number by adding one to the largest file number in the current folder. If
>> the folder is empty, file numbering is reset to 0001."
>>
>> UNQUOTE
>>
>>
>> FYI not all Nikons act the same. This does not work with a D60.
>
>Agreed the OP uses a D5100 and I don't, so I checked the D5100 manual:
>< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/D5100Mw.jpg >

That is completely different from either the D90 or D600.

>I use a D300S, and while similar, it is worded differently in the manual:
>< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/D300SMw.jpg >

That is more similar to what mine say - but do I trust Nikon to do exactly
that??

>Most importantly the OP shouldn't try to fix things by renumbering and
>shuffling files back into the folders on the card from his computer to
>believe he was doing something to fix his problem. In his case there is
>definitely a need to FTFM and understand what is said.

I read the OPs response and it seems he solved his problem at one point by
adding 1 to his filename, but then he went on and changed it... maybe he should
go back to where it worked and leave it at that.

The D60 doesn't mention anything about starting at a specific or higher number,
and after playing around with it, it seems it can't. After a reset, it started
at 0001 and refuses to go higher even with a card with photo 1675 on it... I
even filled up a card in sequence but it simply created a new sub-folder.

One stupid thing it does is create sub-folders in the folder and not tell you
about them! For example, it had a folder marked 'somename' and it had a
subfolder named 101something, after a reset it created a subfolder named
201something, but these sub-folders don't show up in the menu! I created a new
folder named '2013' and switched to that, and it created a sub-folder named
101something, and a reset caused it to create subfolder 201something! Then
301something!

The menu shows only the 2 large folders, and not any subfolders. All pictures
are available in playback, I just don't know where they actually are! I ended up
with a few 0001s, some 0002s, and all kinds of crap!

Good ole Nikon!

Unfortunately my file system can't deal with repeat numbers so I have to re-name
anything that doesn't align.

[Savageduck]

Personally, I leave things set at "On", and let the camera do its thing
without interference from me. Once I have the contents of the card
downloaded and backed up, I format the card. Then I worry about my
labeling/numbering.
I don't screw with the card with my computer.

Lightroom is a wonderful thing when it comes to importing,
labeling/numbering, sorting, and cataloging. When importing into LR the
image files are placed into the LR catalog folders on shoot days and
their specific dates. So if I take a three day trip to Yosemite I have
three folders one for each day. It doesn't matter what the actual
number of the image file is. It will be placed into the correct catalog
folder. I keep my file numbering intact, but sort by "Shoot" or "Event"
folder. Lightroom will automatically tag repeats, so in a particular
folder I might have DNC9999.DNG & DNC0001_1.DNG, all shot on the same
day, and located in the folder for that day or event.
< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_177w.jpg >



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Regards,

Savageduck

[Jake]

<Bo...@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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The option to select the folder name is set in the menu as D5100. This is
then prefixed by the camera as you shoot as 100, 101, 102 etc, so you get
e.g. 100D5100...