Mark.
Visit my train pic website at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~markbau/
Hmmm.. ... interesting idea.
Is this better than ThumbPlus also???
And...... can one use Access instead of FileMaker
Pro?
platypus wrote:
--
Come visit my web site on digital photography and other
interesting topics at http://www.greer.simplenet.com .
I have been extremely lazy, so many of the topics are
not finished yet. But they will be, some day.
MarkBau1 wrote:
> Why not get a kick ass, full featured database like Filemaker pro for about the
> same price?
Simple, while applications like Image AXS are MS Access applications, one still has
to program the database to make it useful. Not everybody knows how to program
databases, nor does everybody have the time to do it. Most of the image databases
cost in the neighborhood of $60. Is it worth spending $60 to get a full featured
application? Or is it worth saving the $60 and spending the time (assuming you know
how) to write your own? Those questions have to be answered by each individual.
> FMP supports importing jpegs, gifs and has a million times more
> features than the programs you mention.
>
> Mark.
>
> Visit my train pic website at:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~markbau/
--
In the ever impossible search the the perfect cataloguing program I've
tried a very large number of the some allegedly) the best and I've
found the 2 best ones for my purposes to be PhotoImpact Album and
ThumsPlus.
Visit my website at
http://www.letocha.demon.co.uk/html/image_management.html and get some
information of my experiences with ULEAD PhotoImpact Album and Cerious
Software's ThumbsPlus. There are shareware/trial versions of theses
available for download.
Taj Letocha
platypus <not...@now.net> wrote:
>Has anyone compared these two digital image database programs? Or know
>where I can find comparison reviews? I've seen the write up on
>PhotoExplorer
>in the most recent Shutterbug, and would like some info on Image AXS
>before
>deciding. Thanks. Please reply to this newsgroup as the address above is
>invalid.
Taj Letocha
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Michael Greer wrote:
> while applications like Image AXS are MS Access applications, one still has
> to program the database to make it useful.
Not correct. I have both Microsoft Access and "Image AXS".
Microsoft Access is a professional database that requires you to program your own.
Image AXS is a PRE-BUILT, fill in the blanks, ready to rock program. If you have a
bunch of images on CD, just load the CD and hit the aquire button. OK, it's a couple of
menus down, but you get the idea. Then you just fill in the blanks for each image.
It's ALL time consuming. There is simply no way around it. Filling in blanks takes
time, but for $30 it's a lot easier and less time consuming than programming. :>
But you can get Image AXS for as low as $30 in the stores and it's ready to rock. It's
why I bought it and gave up on the Microsoft Access approach as soon as the first
version of Image AXS came out.
Hope it helps,
Keith
http://www.spiritone.com/~kclark/
Hi... I am new to this. <G>
The next version of ThumbsPlus is supposed to be
built around and on Microsoft Access.
What I want to know is what will this allow Thumbs
to do.... that it CAN'T do now??
Just came back form the above web site.
Wow! They make a LOT of different versions of
ImageAXS. How do you know what to get?
Here's my problem:
I am the Autocad guy where I work. We bought an
Agfa 1280e dig camera for taking pictures of parts
and machines that we make for production. We are
doing this to document how these machines are
made.
So.... me being the Autocad guy .... I was chosen
to become the "photographer" too. <G>
Now.... we are acquiring a LOT of jpeg images. I
am looking for some way to manage and FIND these
pictures. Plus.... I need to "attach" info to
these raw pictures such as what the part is....
what it's for... etc.
What I normally do is use PIE to rename the
pictures using the time and date stamp function.
This makes SURE that each picture has a UNIQUE
file name. However.... as you can imagine, when
trying to FIND a picture..... these file names
don't mean much to a human thereby making it hard
to find stuff fast.
I was thinking abt getting ThumbsPlus. ImageAXS
looks good tho.
Given the above info.... what product should I
use??
I would seriously look at File Maker pro. It is is breeze to set up, (contrary
to what some in here have posted you do not "program" a database) you simply
tell it how you want to display your info. You can have as many or as few
fields as you desire.
FMP was the best thing that ever happened to my attempts to catolog all of my
slides/negatives.
>>I
>The next version of ThumbsPlus is supposed to be
>built around and on Microsoft Access.
>
>What I want to know is what will this allow Thumbs
>to do.... that it CAN'T do now??
OK - here are some of the new features that version 4 will do that
can't be done now with 3.3:
1. Full database facilities - the ability to create your own fields to
attach to thumbnails and use them for whatever purpose you wish.
2. Image similarity. Searching and sorting images on the basis of "how
similar" they are.
3. ODBC access to other database technologies.
4. - As I've only been testing the beta of version 4 on a (very)
part-time basis I suggest you go to the Cerious website and look at
the feature lists; or go to the Cerious support forum and ask Cerious
themselves what the differences are - they'll reply immediately, I'm
sure.
Good luck
Taj Letocha
OK.... does this put ThumbsPlus in the same league
as ImageAXS tho??
Keith Clark wrote:
> Michael Greer wrote:
>
> > while applications like Image AXS are MS Access applications, one still has
> > to program the database to make it useful.
>
> Not correct. I have both Microsoft Access and "Image AXS".
>
> Microsoft Access is a professional database that requires you to program your own.
>
> Image AXS is a PRE-BUILT, fill in the blanks, ready to rock program. If you have a
> bunch of images on CD, just load the CD and hit the aquire button. OK, it's a couple of
> menus down, but you get the idea. Then you just fill in the blanks for each image.
You misunderstood what I wrote. Or, I should say (after rereading my post), what I wrote
wasn't clear. What I meant, was that ImageAXS is a Microsoft Access database application.
And that even though one may already own Microsoft Access (thus owning all of the tools
necessary to build their own Image AXS type application), it still may be more prudent to
buy Image AXS because all the work has already been done. People in general tend not to
value their time. But if one were to develop their own image database, there would
certainly be a lot of time invested, even if one was a very good database developer. Odds
are, the value of the time spent developing the application, would far exceed just buying
an already developed program.
> It's ALL time consuming. There is simply no way around it. Filling in blanks takes
> time, but for $30 it's a lot easier and less time consuming than programming. :>
I totally agree.
> But you can get Image AXS for as low as $30 in the stores and it's ready to rock. It's
> why I bought it and gave up on the Microsoft Access approach as soon as the first
> version of Image AXS came out.
You stated what I was trying to say, but mine didn't come out right.
> Hope it helps,
>
> Keith
>
> http://www.spiritone.com/~kclark/
--
MarkBau1 wrote:
> <<<<<<<Now.... we are acquiring a LOT of jpeg images. I
> am looking for some way to manage and FIND these
> pictures. Plus.... I need to "attach" info to
> these raw pictures such as what the part is....
> what it's for... etc.>>>>>>>
>
> I would seriously look at File Maker pro. It is is breeze to set up, (contrary
> to what some in here have posted you do not "program" a database) you simply
> tell it how you want to display your info. You can have as many or as few
> fields as you desire.
Mark,
I've never used FMP, so I can't comment on its ability in this application. But in
general one DOES program databases. Your statement seemed to have general
application (i.e. you do not "program" a database). Maybe one doesn't program FMP,
but with Access, one would have to do some programming to match the abilities of
some of the great products that are out there to address this need. I find it hard
to believe (but I will check it out) that a general database program will match
the capabilities of a Thumbs Plus very easily. Thumbs Plus has so many options and
is so flexible, that it needs to be exmained by people who are looking for a
solution to this problem.
> FMP was the best thing that ever happened to my attempts to catolog all of my
> slides/negatives.
It sounds like it works great for you. I also know a semi professional photography
who uses a Mac and also uses FMP for his tracking/cataloging. But he's simply
keeping track of textual information. He's doing no thumb nailing at all. With
Thumbs Plus and many other solutions, not only do you specify are own fields, you
can automatically create keywords based on volume, path, and file name. You can
scan entire volumes and have thumbnails automatically created and cataloged. You
can generate web pages from selected files, directories, or volumes. You can
search for images based on their image content's similarity to other images'
content. These are things that can certainly be done from a database, but they
would have to be programmed.
>
>
> Mark.
>
> Visit my train pic website at:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~markbau/
--
Tadeusz F Letocha wrote:
> ImageAXS does use MS Access, but is has bugs (that aren't being fixed
> sometime soon) and it is incredibly slow in operation. PhotoExplorer
> is a Windows Explorer-like program to view files as thumbnails - it
> isn't a cataloguing program.
>
> In the ever impossible search the the perfect cataloguing program I've
> tried a very large number of the some allegedly) the best and I've
> found the 2 best ones for my purposes to be PhotoImpact Album and
> ThumsPlus.
Your experience mirrors mine exactly. I've also tried a ton of them and I
also believe the 2 current best are Thumbs Plus and Ulead's Web Album 4.0
(same application that comes with PhotoImpact). One promising one is
Photodex's Compu Pic. I really liked its interface but it lack 2 things for
me. #1 It only has one database. You can't create a new one. Everything is
stored in the default database. #2 It wouln't automatically create keywords
from file names and/or paths. Other than those things, I was impressed.
>
>
> Visit my website at
> http://www.letocha.demon.co.uk/html/image_management.html and get some
> information of my experiences with ULEAD PhotoImpact Album and Cerious
> Software's ThumbsPlus. There are shareware/trial versions of theses
> available for download.
>
> Taj Letocha
>
> platypus <not...@now.net> wrote:
>
> >Has anyone compared these two digital image database programs? Or know
> >where I can find comparison reviews? I've seen the write up on
> >PhotoExplorer
> >in the most recent Shutterbug, and would like some info on Image AXS
> >before
> >deciding. Thanks. Please reply to this newsgroup as the address above is
> >invalid.
>
> Taj Letocha
> -----------
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Michael Greer wrote:
> > But you can get Image AXS for as low as $30 in the stores and it's ready to rock. It's
> > why I bought it and gave up on the Microsoft Access approach as soon as the first
> > version of Image AXS came out.
>
> You stated what I was trying to say, but mine didn't come out right.
>
>
> Come visit my web site on digital photography and other
> interesting topics at http://www.greer.simplenet.com .
> I have been extremely lazy, so many of the topics are
> not finished yet. But they will be, some day.
Cool. :>
Image AXS is great. Wish I could find time between everything else to do more cataloging...
Has anyone here tried the "Proslide II" program advertised in the photo magazines?? I tried
their old DOS based ones and those were pretty horrible. They don't have a web site or demo's
and the new Windows based one is only 16 bit so I wonder how robust it is. They charge $200
for it, mostly because it will print on a 35mm label. Is there anyone who thinks it's worth
the money?
Keith
Nature photography and digital art at:
http://www.spiritone.com/~kclark/
Michael Greer wrote:
> PhotoExplorer? Do you mean Ulead's Photo Explorer? If so, it is not an image
> database. It is a Windows Explorer that also allows the viewing of
> thumnails. That is a terrific package. But if you need to catalog and
> annotate image files, Image AXS, Thumbs Plus, Porfolio, Web Album, etc. are
> what you need.
>
John Morris wrote:
In my personal opinion, ThumsPlus is superior to ImageAXS Pro. But there is
no need to take my word or anybody else's word for it. They are all (Thumbs
Plus 3.3 and beta version of Thumbs Plus 4.0, ImageAXS and Image AXS Pro)
available for trial download. These trial versions are not crippled in any
way, but they are time limited, 30 days I believe. That's plenty of time
for you to download these applications and try them for yourself. A lot is
going to be based on your personal likes and dislikes ae opposed to any
features.
Get Thumbs Plus from: http://www.cerious.com
Get ImageAXS from: http://www.dascorp.com
--
>
>
>OK.... does this put ThumbsPlus in the same league
>as ImageAXS tho??
I own ImageAXS Pro and I own ThumbsPlus 3.30 and version 4. In other
words, I have paid good money for both of them.
I do not have ImageAXS Pro installed on my machine any more as (a) it
has some bugs in it which will not be fixed anytime soon and (b) it is
painfully slow when cataloguing images. The 2 programs I use all the
time now are Ulead's PhotoImpact Album 4.2 and ThumbsPlus 3.30 (and
ThumbsPlus 4.0 beta).
I think both of the programs I use at present outclass ImageAXS Pro by
a long, long way. I have also tried many other Image Management
programs (both trial versions and purchased products) and none of them
match up to the speed/flexibility of the 2 programs I use now.
Why not visit the web sites and try the trial versions and judge for
yourself? If someone said to me "xys car is great, you should buy one"
I'd take it for a test drive (assuming I was serious about buying
one).
Taj Letocha
>
>Your experience mirrors mine exactly. I've also tried a ton of them and I
>also believe the 2 current best are Thumbs Plus and Ulead's Web Album 4.0
>(same application that comes with PhotoImpact). One promising one is
>Photodex's Compu Pic. I really liked its interface but it lack 2 things for
>me. #1 It only has one database. You can't create a new one. Everything is
>stored in the default database. #2 It wouln't automatically create keywords
>from file names and/or paths. Other than those things, I was impressed.
Michael - nice to exchange messages with you at long last - I've seen
you both here and at Cerious where I saw your very professionally-put
endorsement of ThumbsPlus.
I've found that PhotoImpact Album 4.2 has 2 things that Web Album 4.0
doesn't:
1. Some minor enhancements.
2. The ability to read data in EXIF/jpg files and automatically put
tham into fields (created automatically) in the database!
The second feature is really what sold it for me - apart from the very
nice user interface and great features/functionality.
Well, I must challenge the "bugs"/"slow" statements. I have been using the
small version of ImageAXS for nearly one year and have
over 1700 images in one database alone.
I have encountered only one bug, which was corrected in a free "one time"
upgrade (oh, if only the MS OS systems were as good).
With respect to speed, I use the 'user defined' fields with complex searches
in mind. Therefore, if I have an image or group of images to view, I do a
quick search and look only at the sub-set.
The old adage "depends on what you are going to use it for" is certainly
applicable. For the bucks and power, I am very pleased with ImageAXS. In
fact, being that it is based on the MS db engine, I have been able to write
Visual basic applications to populate fields outside ImageAXS. For example,
when I affiliate OLY D600L images with the database, my VB routine pulls the
date/time and other pic information from the image and populates the
appropriate fields.
Not many applications allow the user to customize to such an extent.
As for porting thumbnails to a webpage, I manipulate most of my images
before creating a thumbnail anyway and handle that process with an 'action'
in photoshop.
Peace and blessings for the holiday season.
Michael Greer wrote in message <367B100C...@internetmci.com>...
Jack White wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Well, I must challenge the "bugs"/"slow" statements. I have been using the
> small version of ImageAXS for nearly one year and have
> over 1700 images in one database alone.
Hi Frank,
Nice to hear from you. But you've directed your comments towards the wrong guy.
I didn't make those statements, Taduesz did. I didn't find any bugs in ImageAXS,
nor did I think it was slow. But I do agree with him that Thumbs Plus and
Ulead's Web Album are two best ones that I have tested. I just think Thumps Plus
is a slightly more powerful program, at least for my needs. But that's just my
subjective opinion.
> I have encountered only one bug, which was corrected in a free "one time"
> upgrade (oh, if only the MS OS systems were as good).
>
> With respect to speed, I use the 'user defined' fields with complex searches
> in mind. Therefore, if I have an image or group of images to view, I do a
> quick search and look only at the sub-set.
>
> The old adage "depends on what you are going to use it for" is certainly
> applicable. For the bucks and power, I am very pleased with ImageAXS. In
> fact, being that it is based on the MS db engine, I have been able to write
> Visual basic applications to populate fields outside ImageAXS. For example,
> when I affiliate OLY D600L images with the database, my VB routine pulls the
> date/time and other pic information from the image and populates the
> appropriate fields.
Tadeusz has informed me that version 4.2 of PhotoImpact Album (Web Album) has an
option to go in and extract this data from jpeg files. Since I don't presently
own a digital camera, this capability doesn't interest me at this time. But it's
there. Also, with Thumbs Plus v 4.0, it will also be MS Access compatible. So I
would assume that the same things that can currently be done with ImageAXS, can
be done with the beta version 4.0 of Thumbs Plus.
> Not many applications allow the user to customize to such an extent.
>
> As for porting thumbnails to a webpage, I manipulate most of my images
> before creating a thumbnail anyway and handle that process with an 'action'
> in photoshop.
>
> Peace and blessings for the holiday season.
You too. Once again, nice to hear from you.
> Michael Greer wrote in message <367B100C...@internetmci.com>...
> >
> >
> >Tadeusz F Letocha wrote:
> >
> >> ImageAXS does use MS Access, but is has bugs (that aren't being fixed
> >> sometime soon) and it is incredibly slow in operation. PhotoExplorer
> >
--
Hi guys....
I am following this thread with GREAT interest.
I have narrowed it down to either ThumbPlus or
ImageAXS for use as our company "browser?
Just to remind people.... we use a dig camera at
work to document the parts and machines we custom
build for our own production use. Example.... we
might build our own steel bar polisher because we
feel we can do it cheaper or better.
I am the "Autocad guy" and make the drawings to
build these parts with. We decided taking
pictures would be a good idea too and bought an
Agfa 1280e an I got charge of that too. <G>
Now..... something occurred to me. Managing jpgs
is only a part of the OVERALL problem. What we
are realy talking abt here is DOCUMENT management
whether those documents are jpg files, Autocad
drawings, Word files, etc.
I am CONSTANTLY faced with the same dilemma of
FINDING something when it comes to ANY of the
above files. That is why I am glad to hear that
Thumbs will have Microsoft Access features.
Tell me.... is there anyway either Thumbs or
ImageAXS can let me view and FIND Autocad dwg
files.... or Word files... as well as JPEG
images??
It would be very nice to have thumbnail images of
ALL the files on your harddrive and be able to
atach FIELDS to them so as to search and find
them.
BTW... I am using the demo version of Thumbs. I
have downloaded the demo version of ImageAXS but
have not installed it yet. I am leaning towards
Thumbs at the moment. <G>
I will try ImageAXS as I see they make a medical
image version of their app. Now.... that must
REALLY be a powerful app with good database like
features for handling med images, huh?
Since Thumbs will have Microsoft Access features
in version 4.... what will that allow me to do
that can NOT be done now? It is possible to have
keywords in Thumbs 3.2 now that will allow for
searching and finding. How does Access improve
this?
>Hi Mike,
>
>Well, I must challenge the "bugs"/"slow" statements. I have been using the
>small version of ImageAXS for nearly one year and have
>over 1700 images in one database alone.
>
>I have encountered only one bug, which was corrected in a free "one time"
>upgrade (oh, if only the MS OS systems were as good).
>
>With respect to speed, I use the 'user defined' fields with complex searches
>in mind. Therefore, if I have an image or group of images to view, I do a
>quick search and look only at the sub-set.
>
>The old adage "depends on what you are going to use it for" is certainly
>applicable. For the bucks and power, I am very pleased with ImageAXS. In
>fact, being that it is based on the MS db engine, I have been able to write
>Visual basic applications to populate fields outside ImageAXS. For example,
>when I affiliate OLY D600L images with the database, my VB routine pulls the
>date/time and other pic information from the image and populates the
>appropriate fields.
>
>
Jack - it was me who wrote about bugs and speed problems in ImageAXS.
Please remember, I'm using the ImageAXS Pro version.
The bugs I found were to do with cataloguing JPEGs produced by my
Nikon Coolpix 900 camera. For most (but not all) images the program
would put up an error dialog along the lines of "Can't insert keyword"
or somesuch, and wait there for me to click OK - even though I'd set
the "Don't show errors" option in the preferences. This is a
particular problem for me because I normally catalogue in excess of
100 images at a time. I sent an email to DAS support in June or July,
I think, and got the reply that they were already aware of the problem
and that they would fix it in a maintenance release last October
(1998). I gave up waiting at the end of October.
I have a database now exceeding 3,500 images - they're what I'd call
the "good" ones. Please bear in mind I'm strictly an amateur;-) I Also
have a database of "bad" ones which has about 10,000 in it.
I found with ImageAXS Pro that adding new images to the database was
spectacularly slow. So much so that I emailed DAS support at the same
time as above asking them about it. I was basically told that's how
the program is. So I'm not griping about the speed of searching but
simply the speed at cataloguing - which for me is an issue.
I'm glad you aren't having these problems as I think the user
interface and overall look and feel of ImageAXS Pro is very good
indeed.
I really do prefer ThumbsPlus - version 4 when it is finally released
will, in my view, be a real killer product. In the meantime Ulead
PhotoImpact Album 4.2 suits me fine.
Taj Letocha
-----------
Visit me at www.letocha.demon.co.uk
Some of my experiences with digital photography.
Yes, I know that you were the originator of the post, but Mike Greer stated
that he agreed with your assessment. Even though Mike referred to me as
"Frank", I have corresponded with him many times over the past year and was
responding to his agreement regarding "bugs" and "slow".
Hope you eventually find something that meets your needs.
> Hi Tadeusz,
>
> Yes, I know that you were the originator of the post, but Mike Greer stated
> that he agreed with your assessment. Even though Mike referred to me as
> "Frank",
JACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please forgive me. I don't know what I was thinking (probably not much).
> I have corresponded with him many times over the past year and was
> responding to his agreement regarding "bugs" and "slow".
Anyway, reread my post Jack. I wasn't agreeing with Tadeusz on the "slow" and
"buggy" part of his post because I didn't experience these concerns when I was
evaluating ImageAXS. I was agreeing with his conclusions about Thumbs Plus and
Web Album. I could live very easily with ImageAXS, but I found TP and Web Album
to be the more powerful solutions for me, that's all.
>
>
> Hope you eventually find something that meets your needs.
>
> >Jack - it was me who wrote about bugs and speed problems in ImageAXS.
> >
--
Hey Taj....
For some reason I can NOT get the demo version of
ImageAXS pro to install correct. Any ideas?
Also.... which app is flat out faster... ThumbPlus
or ImagAXS Pro?? Faster loading, faster
displaying images..... all around faster? <G>
Talking abt faster as in using with a LOT of
pictures now.... maybe thousands.
[I am the Autocad guy where I work. We bought an Agfa 1280e dig camera for
taking pictures of parts and machines that we make for production. We are
doing this to document how these machines are made. Now.... we are acquiring
a LOT of jpeg images. I am looking for some way to manage and FIND these
pictures. Plus.... I need to "attach" info to these raw pictures such as
what the part is.... what it's for... etc.]
Showcase 2.1 lets you easily associate a wide variety of data to your
images. In addition, you can also format this data as well. You can then
search for images using pattern matching or numeric evaluations. Showcase
uses a true database with an SQL querying engine (but hides the messy SQL
details from you). Many of our customers use it to catalog images of
equipment parts photos they took with a digital camera. Version 2.1 is a
new release. http://www.cquick.com
CQuick Technologies
John Morris wrote:
> >4. - As I've only been testing the beta of version 4 on a (very)
> >part-time basis I suggest you go to the Cerious website and look at
> >the feature lists; or go to the Cerious support forum and ask Cerious
> >themselves what the differences are - they'll reply immediately, I'm
> >sure.
> >
> >Good luck
> >
> >Taj Letocha
>
> Hey Taj....
>
> For some reason I can NOT get the demo version of
> ImageAXS pro to install correct. Any ideas?
>
> Also.... which app is flat out faster... ThumbPlus
> or ImagAXS Pro?? Faster loading, faster
> displaying images..... all around faster? <G>
They are both comparable in my opinion. As are most of the other programs
as well. The only big difference in speed that I see is the speed in
creating the initial thumbnail. Thumbs Plus v 4 is a multi threaded
application. Meaning, that when it is processing something (like thumb
nailing images), the program is immediately available to do other things
while the processing is going on in the background. With other
applications, you have to wait until it's finished before you can continue
doing things WITHIN THAT PROGRAM.
>
>
> Talking abt faster as in using with a LOT of
> pictures now.... maybe thousands.
--
Mike Greer
>
>For some reason I can NOT get the demo version of
>ImageAXS pro to install correct. Any ideas?
All I can think of is to send DASCorp support an email asking for
help.
>
>Also.... which app is flat out faster... ThumbPlus
>or ImagAXS Pro?? Faster loading, faster
>displaying images..... all around faster? <G>
>
>Talking abt faster as in using with a LOT of
>pictures now.... maybe thousands.
TP is faster when it comes to creating the thumbnails in the first
place. In terms of the rest, I'd probably put my money on TP, but I've
not done any real tests.
Sounds like you're going to trial both programs on images you'll be
working with normally and see which suits best. Way to go;-)
Seasons Greetings