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Andy Venikov

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Nov 30, 2002, 5:41:09 PM11/30/02
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Hi group!

I just bought a Nikon Coolpix 5700 and am looking for
a matching photo printer. From the reviews I've read
so far it seems that Epson 2200 is a very good printer
for a somewhat reasonable price.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Andy.

Bill Hilton

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Nov 30, 2002, 6:34:45 PM11/30/02
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>From: Andy Venikov avNeOni...@nospam.attbi.com

Just my opinion, but here goes ... get the 2200 IF you want to print larger
than 8x10" and IF you need or want longer print life. If you don't need the
longer print life of the 2200 but still want to print up to 13x19" then get the
Canon S9000 or Epson 1280, which still have respectable print life of around 25
years (projected estimates) on certain papers.

If you don't need larger prints or longer print life you can save a lot by
getting the smaller carriage Canon S900 or Epson 890.

For longer print life and ability to print 13x19" the 2200 is the best choice
though.

Bill

wally

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Nov 30, 2002, 7:34:11 PM11/30/02
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If you prefere matte to glossy get the 2200. I've never liked matte surface
prints from wet photos and inkjet versions just strike me as being dull,
untill I printed on the matte paper samples included with my 2200.
I plan to use this for 13x19 prints that I will moung but not put behind glass
the lack of reflections is really nice.

--wally

Andy Venikov

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Nov 30, 2002, 7:55:05 PM11/30/02
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But what about the quality?
I heard that the 2200 with it's 2880x1440 is really unparalleled.
Or are you saying it's not that important?

Thanks,
Andy.

Bill Hilton

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Nov 30, 2002, 9:55:29 PM11/30/02
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>From: Andy Venikov avNeOni...@nospam.attbi.com

>But what about the quality?
>I heard that the 2200 with it's 2880x1440 is really unparalleled.

Since it uses pigment inks the 2200 gamut isn't quite as wide as the dye inks,
like with the 1280 or Canon S900. So photos look a tiny bit better on PGPP on
the 1280 than the same image printed on the 2200.

You can check this for yourself (rather than relying on what you "heard") by
buying a couple of test images from this source and comparing them directly
(that's what I did) ... http://www.inkjetart.com/custom/ The 2200 images
(actually, 7600 images but same inks) were slightly inferior to the 1280 glossy
images, but given the extra print life that's OK. The 2200 did a lot better
than the 2000p.

On the other hand, black-white images look a lot better on the 2200 and the new
Somerset Velvet paper is great for art prints, much better than the Epson
watercolor or art papers available for the 1280.

>Or are you saying it's not that important?

Quality is excellent with all the printers I recommended (Canon S9000, S900,
Epson 1280, 890). What would give you the idea that I don't think it's
important?

Bill


>>>From: Andy Venikov avNeOni...@nospam.attbi.com
>>
>>>I just bought a Nikon Coolpix 5700 and am looking for
>>>a matching photo printer. From the reviews I've read
>>>so far it seems that Epson 2200 is a very good printer
>>>for a somewhat reasonable price.
>>>Any thoughts?

Andy Venikov

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Nov 30, 2002, 10:03:41 PM11/30/02
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Bill Hilton wrote:
<snip>


>>Or are you saying it's not that important?
>
>
> Quality is excellent with all the printers I recommended (Canon S9000, S900,
> Epson 1280, 890). What would give you the idea that I don't think it's
> important?

No, it's just that I had an impression that 2200 had a far better quality
of print-outs compared to everything else. Now I'm kinda buffled as to where
I got that idea from :-) From what you're saying it looks that the major
advantage of 2200 is the pictures' lifetime. So, probably, for my needs
Epson 1280 might suffice. Plus it's cheaper.

Thanks for the tip.

Bill Hilton

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Dec 1, 2002, 7:39:08 AM12/1/02
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>From: Andy Venikov avNeOni...@nospam.attbi.com

> it's just that I had an impression that 2200 had a far better quality
>of print-outs compared to everything else. Now I'm kinda buffled as to where
>I got that idea from :-)

The 2200 does have "far better quality" than the earlier PIGMENT printers, so
maybe that's where you got the idea. But the reports I've read and, more
important, the sample shots I bought, show the 1280 does a slightly better job
on glossy paper (not matte though).

>From what you're saying it looks that the major
>advantage of 2200 is the pictures' lifetime.

Yes, plus better black-white printing and a better fine art paper (Velvet).

Here's a good review of the 2200 which compares it to the 1280 etc:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/Epson2200.shtml

Here's a quote that sums up his review:

"The question now becomes — how does this printer compare to the other
choices available, including the Epson 1280/1290 and especially the new Canon
S9000.

If archival issues aren't critical for you, but lower purchase price and
ongoing ink costs are, then the Epson 1280/1290 is a very good choice. The
biggest strength of the S9000 is its speed; dramatically faster than anything
from Epson. So if that's a major concern then the Canon is a very good choice.

But if neither speed nor costs are of paramount importance then the Epson 2200
is today's hands-down choice in a photographic printer."

Pavel Dvorak

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Dec 1, 2002, 10:55:52 AM12/1/02
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Andy Venikov (avNeOni...@nospam.attbi.com) writes:
> Bill Hilton wrote:
> <snip>
>
>
>>>Or are you saying it's not that important?
>>
>>
>> Quality is excellent with all the printers I recommended (Canon S9000, S900,
>> Epson 1280, 890). What would give you the idea that I don't think it's
>> important?
>
> No, it's just that I had an impression that 2200 had a far better quality
> of print-outs compared to everything else. Now I'm kinda buffled as to where

After reading quite a bit, but having no personal experience with 2200, it
seems to me that it is:

"... better printouts compared to anything else that uses pigment inks ..."

I think that "pigment" is the key word here. Or am I also off mark?

Pavel

Kris Kadela

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Dec 1, 2002, 10:36:37 PM12/1/02
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"Bill Hilton" <bhilt...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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> >From: Andy Venikov avNeOni...@nospam.attbi.com
>
> >I just bought a Nikon Coolpix 5700 and am looking for
> >a matching photo printer. From the reviews I've read
> >so far it seems that Epson 2200 is a very good printer
> >for a somewhat reasonable price.
> >Any thoughts?
>
> Just my opinion, but here goes ... get the 2200 IF you want to print
larger
> than 8x10" and IF you need or want longer print life. If you don't need
the
> longer print life of the 2200 but still want to print up to 13x19" then
get the
> Canon S9000 or Epson 1280, which still have respectable print life of
around 25
> years (projected estimates) on certain papers.


One can also use archival inks in the S9000/S900
http://www.lyson.com/products/fotonicframe.html


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