Seven decades of Soviet photography

[Alfred Molon]

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/jun/23/seven-
decades-of-soviet-photography-in-pictures

or

http://tinyurl.com/ycfjkwve
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Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site

[android]

In article <MPG.3441fb177...@news.supernews.com>,

Alfred Molon <alfred...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/jun/23/seven-
> decades-of-soviet-photography-in-pictures
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ycfjkwve

URL fix:

<https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/jun/23/seven-decad
es-of-soviet-photography-in-pictures>
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[Savageduck]

On Oct 7, 2017, android wrote
(in article<here-8A9D54.1...@news.individual.net>):

Not quite.

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[android]

In article <0001HW.1F894D6B00...@news.giganews.com>,

That's weird. There should not be a line break in there... Could it be
that your NNTP client is at fault?
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[micky]

In rec.photo.digital, on Sat, 07 Oct 2017 20:25:01 +0200, android

<he...@there.was> wrote:

>In article <0001HW.1F894D6B00...@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 7, 2017, android wrote
>> (in article<here-8A9D54.1...@news.individual.net>):
>>
>> > In article<MPG.3441fb177...@news.supernews.com>,
>> > Alfred Molon <alfred...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/jun/23/seven-
>> > > decades-of-soviet-photography-in-pictures
>> > >

The way Usenet is, you're all probably about as old as I am, 70, but
maybe not and anyhow, I remember when the Soviets released pictures of
the far side of the moon. Americans, including iirc government
officials and scientists, disputed if they were accurate. I guess this
was years after Sputnik but Americans were still annoyed that they were
ahead of us. Without a satellite, you can see a little more than half
of the moon, I guess because it wobbles or something, and they said they
checked if the edges of the Soviet photos matched. Some also said
they saw signs of brush strokes or maybe line drawing.

And that was all I heard, never a resolution.

So about 20 years later when i was visiting DC, I called NASA and asked
if the pictures were real. The person on the phone didn't know there
was a question, but s/he found a big book of photos and it gave a
picture of the far side and credited the Soviets, so we concluded their
pictures were real after all.

>> > > or
>> > >
>> > > http://tinyurl.com/ycfjkwve
>> >
>> > URL fix:
>> >
>> > <https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/jun/23/seven-decades-of-soviet-photography-in-pictures>

Very interesting.

>>
>> Not quite.
>
>That's weird. There should not be a line break in there... Could it be
>that your NNTP client is at fault?

When there is a line break, I just click on reply and delete the extra
characters between the two parts, usually a line-feed and
quoted-text-prefix. In this case there are more.

It's funny that I assumed the pictures would at least partly be about
space. I guess the story above is close to my memory.

[mo...@cloud9.net]

Hi,
The S.L.R. with the Russian language nameplate looks like the Carl Zeiss Jena(East Germany then) Contax S, the world's first S.L.R. with a prism.

Mort Linder

[android]

In article <ce7itcd5giso8id3o...@4ax.com>,

The Soviets made some interesting stuff in the fine culture segment:
Like Sjostakovitsj,Prokofiev,Solzhenitsyn and Tarkowski to mention a few
of the best known. some stayed and some deflected. Tarkowskis last
movie, "The Sacrifice" was shoot as a French production on Gotland, a
Swedish island in the Baltic close to the then USSR and now free Baltic
states.

That was some 1500km of non fence to keep an eye on during the cold war.
A strong air force and readiness to put nearly half a million men under
arms with short notice did that job, and it did it well. Finland had a
next nothing defense due to a post war agreement with the Soviets since
they sided with the Germans against the USSR in a territorial conflict.

The Soviets ain't no more but they were not cruder or less sophisticated
than other dictatorships like those in the Americas or Far East. Some of
their legacy is very very interesting...
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[PeterN]

I remember having an Exacta, with a pentaprism. The words "Carl Zeiss
Jena," were on the lens. IIRC it was an f2 Biotar. It was manufactured
by Ihagee, in Dresden, which was located in E.Germany. That was many
years ago so I compared Exacta images on E bay and Wikipedia, from what
I see in the image, is quite similar to the one on Wikipedia, but not to
the images on E-Bay. I don't recall the strobe output being on the upper
left front of my camera. There are other differences, but there were
also many different models.


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[PeterN]

On 10/7/2017 3:32 PM, android wrote:

<snip>

> The Soviets ain't no more but they were not cruder or less sophisticated
> than other dictatorships like those in the Americas or Far East. Some of
> their legacy is very very interesting...
>

Yep.
There was a book and movie called "Gorky Park," which was an adventure
tale of fur smuggling. There are a lot of things that were left out.
(One of the real life characters, in that story, is a former client.)



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[Savageduck]

On Oct 7, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article <orbls...@news4.newsguy.com>):

Strange that there were any real life characters written about in “Gorky
Park”, other than Stalin, as it was a work of fiction by Martin Cruz Smith.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Cruz_Smith>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorky_Park_(novel)>

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[RichA]

Interesting images. Note the "Feynman" figure in the math equations. Nice to see the West's teachings filtering in there.

[Tony Cooper]

The novel was set in the year 1977. Stalin died in 1953. Stalin, of
course, always is a presence in any book about Russia but he wasn't
part of "Gorky Park". The year 1977 would have been under Kosygin and
Brezhnev.

It is not at all unusual for a real-life character to be mentioned in
a novel. Part of "Gorky Park" takes place in the NYC, so it's
entirely possible that a real character would have been mentioned.

What is more likely is that old stand-by of books and movies: "based
on". A fictional character is often "based on" a real person, and
many times that real person is recognizable by certain readers.

I read the novel and saw the movie, but it's been too many years to
remember the characters other than "Arkady Renko". He was the
protagonist in this and other Cruz novels. All great reads.

The most striking memory I have of the movie is Lee Marvin's character
at the mink ranch. Even sitting in a warm movie theater, I felt cold.
One of Marvin's better roles.



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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

[Savageduck]

On Oct 7, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in article<cutitc56j22rq9pap...@4ax.com>):

> On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 16:17:04 -0700, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 7, 2017, PeterN wrote
> > (in article <orbls...@news4.newsguy.com>):
> >
> > > On 10/7/2017 3:32 PM, android wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > The Soviets ain't no more but they were not cruder or less sophisticated
> > > > than other dictatorships like those in the Americas or Far East. Some of
> > > > their legacy is very very interesting...
> > >
> > > Yep.
> > > There was a book and movie called "Gorky Park," which was an adventure
> > > tale of fur smuggling. There are a lot of things that were left out.
> > > (One of the real life characters, in that story, is a former client.)
> >
> > Strange that there were any real life characters written about in “Gorky
> > Park”, other than Stalin, as it was a work of fiction by Martin Cruz
> > Smith.
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Cruz_Smith>
> >
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorky_Park_(novel)>
>
> The novel was set in the year 1977. Stalin died in 1953. Stalin, of
> course, always is a presence in any book about Russia but he wasn't
> part of "Gorky Park". The year 1977 would have been under Kosygin and
> Brezhnev.

In the “Arkady Renko” tales, Stalin, Beria, and some WWII era generals
played a role in establishing Renko’s back story and purged father.

>
> It is not at all unusual for a real-life character to be mentioned in
> a novel. Part of "Gorky Park" takes place in the NYC, so it's
> entirely possible that a real character would have been mentioned.

I believe in that particular novel, and others in the series, real life
Russian characters such as Stalin, Beria, and some real Russian Generals, as
well as most of the Politburo, NKVD/NKGB, and KGB succession were mentioned.
I don’t recall any real life NYC characters playing a role in the tale(s).

>
> What is more likely is that old stand-by of books and movies: "based
> on". A fictional character is often "based on" a real person, and
> many times that real person is recognizable by certain readers.
>
> I read the novel and saw the movie, but it's been too many years to
> remember the characters other than "Arkady Renko". He was the
> protagonist in this and other Cruz novels. All great reads.

Yup! I read the novel and saw the movie. I have also read several of the
other “Renko” novels, all very enthralling.

>
> The most striking memory I have of the movie is Lee Marvin's character
> at the mink ranch. Even sitting in a warm movie theater, I felt cold.
> One of Marvin's better roles.

He certainly played the ruthless psychopath against Hurt’s duped, stiff,
good cop.

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[Tony Cooper]

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 19:16:00 -0700, Savageduck

Dunno about you, but if a character in the NYC scenes was based on
some NYC figure in the current eye, or if one had a cameo in the
movie, I wouldn't catch it. Well, maybe John Lindsay or William F.
Buckley, Jr. There were/are a lot of well-known figures in NYC whose
fame didn't extend past the Hudson.

Hell, Donald or Fred Trump could have been portrayed or had a cameo in
the movie and I wouldn't have known who they were. Not when the movie
came out.

(Wish I could say the same now)

[android]

In article <orbls...@news4.newsguy.com>,

I saw that one... Fading in memory though... Who was it?
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[chrish...@gmail.com]

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorky_Park_(film)>

[android]

In article <129fa798-b2b6-46fc...@googlegroups.com>,

PeterNs client, idiot!
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[PeterN]

I will summarize what I can tell you. The saga starts where there is a
trade agreement under which We traded some breeding pairs of mink in
exchange for< IIRC two breeding sable. It is rather easy to breed mink,
but sable are not. We had little knowledge on how to breed sable and
thought that we we tricked into accepting. As a result of thee above we
enacted a ban on the importation of Soviet furs. The USSR banned the
export of sable. My former client and some of his relatives were
involved in the fur smuggling network, that is discussed in the book and
movie. I will not go further as to the extent of his involvement.



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[android]

In article <ordhr...@news4.newsguy.com>,

PeterN <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

> My former client and some of his relatives were
> involved in the fur smuggling network, that is discussed in the book and
> movie. I will not go further as to the extent of his involvement.

Oki...
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[Savageduck]

On Oct 8, 2017, PeterN wrote
(in article <ordhr...@news4.newsguy.com>):

OK! So your former client, and his family are in hiding from PETA. That is
perfectly understandable.

Their criminal business of smuggling furs was integral to the plot of the
tale, but none of them were actually mentioned by name in the book, or movie.
Is that about right?

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[PeterN]

Yep. If he hadn't been involved in that criminal enterprise, there the
book might have never been written. Some of his past exploits would make
a very interesting and exciting story. The sequel is in the public
record. He had a financial dispute with his former partners, so he
became an informant for the Treasury,of fur smuggling matters. He then
became a drug smuggler. He was caught on his first attempt, and was
sentenced to six months in a half way house because he had been a
government informer.


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[Savageduck]

On Oct 8, 2017, PeterN wrote

(in article <ore15...@news4.newsguy.com>):

So you get to meet and represent some of the sweetest folks as an NYC
mouth-piece?

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[Tony Cooper]

Gotta laugh that a former cop thinks meeting low-life is in any way
remarkable.

As a former CPA or lawyer (I've never been sure what PeterN was when
he was practicing), the low-lifes he might have met probably do less
jail or prison time compared to the ones a cop deals with. The crimes
committed by PeterN's clients aren't any less criminal, but the
sentences are far more lenient.

Which reminds me of a joke:

A guy is standing next to a parked car in a space that is clearly
marked "NO PARKING". A cop stops and pulls out his ticket book and
prepares to write a citation.

The guy says to the cop "Don't be an asshole. I'll move the car".

This pisses the cop off and he writes a second ticket for a cracked
tail light.

The guy reaches over, grabs the two tickets, and tears them up saying
"Fuck you, pig."

Incensed, the cop calls a tow truck and has the car towed away.

The guy watches the car being towed away and saunters over to the bus
stop and gets on the next bus. Another guy, who was waiting for the
bus and watching the whole thing, says "Why'd you piss off the cop
like that? Now you gotta pay towing and impound charges."

The guy says "Not my car. Every day I stand by some car with a
TRUMP/PENCE sticker on the bumper and wait for a cop to come by."

[Savageduck]

On Oct 8, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in article<qu7ltclqkon9otbt0...@4ax.com>):

My remark was supposed to be delivered with a hint of irony.:-)

Did I say anything about remarkable?

Oh! I have crossed paths with far more dispicable (I always associate that
word with Daffy Duck) low-lifes than NYC fur & dope smugglers. They included
gangsters who disregarded the entire Penal Code, individuals who were evil
sociopaths, and some pure idiots with no concept of the degree of criminality
they had sunk to. Some of them had been part of my caseload, and some I have
met and interviewed in prison. Some of them were cops, and many of those are
now former cops. Some were realtors, some attorneys, a doctor or two, a few
bikers, and the occasional homeless junkie.

An example of the type of individual I am taking about is a 19 year old who
shot and killed his girlfriend because she threatened to tell his mother that
he was still doing dope. He rolled her into his mother’s livingroom rug,
put her into her own car, and parked it outside the home of her old
boyfriend. He is currently doing life in the California prison system, the
last I heard was that he was at Soledad.

>
> As a former CPA or lawyer (I've never been sure what PeterN was when
> he was practicing), the low-lifes he might have met probably do less
> jail or prison time compared to the ones a cop deals with. The crimes
> committed by PeterN's clients aren't any less criminal, but the
> sentences are far more lenient.
>
> Which reminds me of a joke:
>
> A guy is standing next to a parked car in a space that is clearly
> marked "NO PARKING". A cop stops and pulls out his ticket book and
> prepares to write a citation.
>
> The guy says to the cop "Don't be an asshole. I'll move the car".
>
> This pisses the cop off and he writes a second ticket for a cracked
> tail light.
>
> The guy reaches over, grabs the two tickets, and tears them up saying
> "Fuck you, pig."
>
> Incensed, the cop calls a tow truck and has the car towed away.
>
> The guy watches the car being towed away and saunters over to the bus
> stop and gets on the next bus. Another guy, who was waiting for the
> bus and watching the whole thing, says "Why'd you piss off the cop
> like that? Now you gotta pay towing and impound charges."
>
> The guy says "Not my car. Every day I stand by some car with a
> TRUMP/PENCE sticker on the bumper and wait for a cop to come by."

That I find funny. ;-)

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[PeterN]

Watchagonnado.


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[PeterN]

Most of the entities I represented were simply hard working business
entities, who had problems. Litigation was not my thing. Except that I
did handle the tax aspects of Bankruptcy cases. I will say that The wise
guys at least paid their bills.


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