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Cameras snobs influence the market, say it ain't so!

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RichA

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:30:46 PM12/19/09
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Ray Fischer

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RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867

Snobs who say that anything made with plastic must be crap?

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Neil Harrington

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"RichA" <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867

Interesting, though not too surprising. But I'm not sure which side are the
"camera snobs."


Charles

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:34:02 PM12/19/09
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"Neil Harrington" <ne...@home.com> wrote in message
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Or plastic snobs.


Rich

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Dec 19, 2009, 7:50:39 PM12/19/09
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rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4b2d2c92$0$1652
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> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867
>
> Snobs who say that anything made with plastic must be crap?
>

In a perfect world, having a metal-bodied camera wouldn't be considered
snobbery, it would be the NORMAL thing for everyone.

Dave's Not Here

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"Charles" <charles...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Ask a cop who wears a Kevlar vest if he would prefer it to be made out of
tungsten carbide steel....


Charles

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Dec 19, 2009, 9:54:00 PM12/19/09
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"Dave's Not Here" <no...@none.invalid> wrote in message
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Ceramic plate vests are perhaps better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.alibaba.com/product/tonykainth-11024579-10729069/Bullet_Proof_Vest_Ceramic_Plate.html


Ray Fischer

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Dec 20, 2009, 2:54:38 AM12/20/09
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Rich <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>rfis...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in news:4b2d2c92$0$1652
>> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867
>>
>> Snobs who say that anything made with plastic must be crap?
>
>In a perfect world, having a metal-bodied camera wouldn't be considered
>snobbery, it would be the NORMAL thing for everyone.

The arrogant snob thinks that his uneducated beliefs are what
everybody should worship.

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RichA

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Dec 20, 2009, 4:23:17 AM12/20/09
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On Dec 19, 9:46 pm, "Dave's Not Here" <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
> "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote in message

>
> news:hgjnth$h60$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
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> > "Neil Harrington" <ne...@home.com> wrote in message
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> >> "RichA" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> >>news:0450bf8d-cafb-48bd...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> >>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867
>
> >> Interesting, though not too surprising. But I'm not sure which side are
> >> the "camera snobs."
>
> > Or plastic snobs.
>
> Ask a cop who wears a Kevlar vest if he would prefer it to be made out of
> tungsten carbide steel....

In fact, metal plate is used as stronger protection than Kevlar which
(at best) will only stop some handgun rounds.

Ray Fischer

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Dec 20, 2009, 1:41:17 PM12/20/09
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RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Dave's Not Here" <n...@none.invalid> wrote:
>> "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > "Neil Harrington" <ne...@home.com> wrote in message
>> >> "RichA" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> >>>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867


>>
>> >> Interesting, though not too surprising. But I'm not sure which side are
>> >> the "camera snobs."
>>
>> > Or plastic snobs.
>>
>> Ask a cop who wears a Kevlar vest if he would prefer it to be made out of
>> tungsten carbide steel....
>
>In fact, metal plate is used as stronger protection than Kevlar which
>(at best) will only stop some handgun rounds.

Idiot. See if you can figure out why cops don't wear vests with 1/4
inch thick steel plates in them.

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Jeff R.

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Dec 20, 2009, 6:04:22 PM12/20/09
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"Dave's Not Here" <no...@none.invalid> wrote in message
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> Ask a cop who wears a Kevlar vest if he would prefer it to be made out of
> tungsten carbide steel....


What's "tungsten carbide steel"?

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Jeff R.

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Dec 20, 2009, 7:56:39 PM12/20/09
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"John A." <jo...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> http://www.google.com/search?q=What's+"tungsten+carbide+steel"%3F
>
> HTH

Thanks anyway, but those links describe "tungsten carbide" and "steel".
I know what they are.

I want to know what "tungsten carbide steel" - as referenced - is.

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Bowser

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Dec 20, 2009, 8:11:58 PM12/20/09
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On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:30:46 -0800 (PST), RichA <rande...@gmail.com>
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>http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=33985867

Trouble is, that Oly can't roduce shots as nice (technically) as the
least expensive Canon Rebel. And it's wicked slow.

That aside, anyone who draws that conclusion is a moron. Imagine if he
showed up with an M9? Is that "amateur" as well?

Jeff R.

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Dec 20, 2009, 8:16:47 PM12/20/09
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"Jeff R." <con...@this.ng> wrote in message
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My humble apologies.
There *is* a Tungsten Carbide steel.
[hangs head in shame]

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David J. Littleboy

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Dec 20, 2009, 8:31:09 PM12/20/09
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"Jeff R." <con...@this.ng> wrote:

> "Dave's Not Here" <no...@none.invalid> wrote:

>> Ask a cop who wears a Kevlar vest if he would prefer it to be made out of
>> tungsten carbide steel....
>
> What's "tungsten carbide steel"?

"A hard metal composition comprising 1-20 micron particles of tungsten
carbide uniformly dispersed in a high tungsten alloy steel matrix and having
a uniform surface hardness in excess of Rockwell C 55, obtained by addition
of pressed unsintred granules of tungsten carbide particles less than 325
mesh in size to molten steel in a ratio of 50-250 parts by weight of
tungsten carbide to 100 parts by weight of steel, the high tungsten alloy
steel matrix being produced by in situ decomposition of the tungsten carbide
added to the molten steel."

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RichA

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Dec 20, 2009, 9:02:49 PM12/20/09
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On Dec 20, 7:37 pm, John A. <j...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:04:22 +1100, "Jeff R." <cont...@this.ng> wrote:
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> >"Dave's Not Here" <n...@none.invalid> wrote in message

> >news:hgk35a$e7t$1...@tioat.net...
>
> >> Ask a cop who wears a Kevlar vest if he would prefer it to be made out of
> >> tungsten carbide steel....
>
> >What's "tungsten carbide steel"?
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=What's+"tungsten+carbide+steel"%3F
>
> HTH

No, it's from Monty Python:
"Toongston, carbide drill?! What the BLOOD HELL IS TOONGSTON, CARBIDE
DRILL??!!!

rwalker

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Dec 20, 2009, 9:23:52 PM12/20/09
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:56:39 +1100, "Jeff R." <con...@this.ng> wrote:


>
>Thanks anyway, but those links describe "tungsten carbide" and "steel".
>I know what they are.
>
>I want to know what "tungsten carbide steel" - as referenced - is.

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4053306/description.html

John McWilliams

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Dec 20, 2009, 9:28:49 PM12/20/09
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Notice it's *unsintered* bits of tungsten carbide. Using sintered bits
is just not on......

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RichA

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Dec 21, 2009, 1:08:30 AM12/21/09
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On Dec 20, 9:28 pm, John McWilliams <jp...@comcast.net> wrote:
> David J. Littleboy wrote:
> > "Jeff R." <cont...@this.ng> wrote:

Well, sintered would mean an agglomeration of particles, likely they'd
be too large and delicate for the purpose (like drilling hard
substances) and they'd compromise the structural integrity of the
tool, so they'd go with individual particles. Much like when they
embed diamond particles in saw blades used to cut tile/concrete. BTW,
this ties back to plastic cameras that have particles of fiberglass or
some such material in them. It does nothing for structural integrity
of the body because the fibers are not interlinked in any way, just
mixed in. This puts to lie the idea that (for instance) a fighter
plane's composite srtucture and a cheap camera body have ANYTHING in
common as plastics.

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