Replacement for Oriental paper?
Sarah Mayhew
Seagull paper? Sorry if this has already been discussed, I have been out
of touch for a few months due to surgery. Would appreciate any feedback.
Sarah Mayhew
Ole Chr. Magneshaugen
wrote:
If you miss the cool tones and color effect during ĀlithĀ developement found
in Oriental paper, I just read about two new Forte (Hungary) paper due to
be available real soon (if not already.?) both claimed to hold much of the
Oriental characteristics. There will be both a graded and a VC paper. The
graded being called "Bromofort" and the VC paper - Polygrade.
Maybe it is worth looking into for you.
Best1s,
-olechr
Marcus J. Ranum
>Seagull paper?
I'm using Ilford FB, toned in ANSCO231 - it's a bit on
the high side cost wise. I was using benzotriazole in UltraBlack
to develop my Ilford and it was close. I'm not convinced that
the Ilford FB with 231 toner looks the same as Seagull, since I
ran out of material to compare with - but it's got a nice cold
shiny look.
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Jeffrey Damron
>I'm wondering what paper people are using to take the place of Oriental
>of touch for a few months due to surgery. Would appreciate any feedback.
>
>Sarah Mayhew
Talk about being out of touch - I didn't know Oriental Seagull was no
longer available. When did this happen? It's one of those papers that
was never available locally, but which I know was widely respected. Why
did Oriental stop making it? I intended to get around to trying it
someday.
Thanks,
Jeff
Mel Proudfoot
This maybe duff information, I only had one pkt of segull warm tone
and portrait for test before they went bust, as I only did a few
tests then stopped when I herd that they had gone.
But, I continued with various papers and have standardised on the
following.
General - AGFA Multicontrast Classic FB (surface 111 gloss and 118
like the old portriga fine-grain). It reacts well to changes in
developer type - I find it easy to get both slightly warm and quite
cold tones, and split development works well. Tones very well, if a little
subtle with Kodak Rapid Selenium. This is a excellent all round paper
and handles very well - I tone a lot of my stuff and air dry to avoid
any colour change - and it does not curl.
Very very very warm - Forte polywarmtone FB, this is a very slow
paper, but tones like crazy. It handles quite badly - easy to make
"scrolls" which are almost impossible to get flat! Don't know if
you get this in the US, its a czech paper - they do not have to
follow European Union rules about cadmium content - which is why
it is so warm and tones so well.
Both the AGFA and Forte work well with split grading techniques.
Finally, for a "watercolour" paper finish, I use Kentmere Classic
Art - this is only available in grade 2 - so you have to make the
negs for it. But a lovely surface, and it reacts well to dev
changes and tones well.
Also, my paper supplier tells me that Ilford are working on a new
paper which will be available some time in 96 which will address
the toning problems that some folks have with MG IV.
Hope this helps.
brgds
Mel
DBolus
Where have you been? There have been alot of tears shed over this loss.
Evidently, Oriental (Japan) is in "reorganization". The American
distributer is offering a paper known as "New Seagull". It is unclear
whether this paper bears any similarity to the original paper. I have
settled on Kodak Polymax Fine Art. Check out John Sexton's new book
"Listen to the Trees"; it was printed on this paper which I find to have a
good feel and rich tonal range, particularly if printing for wide contrast
range. What about the rest of you out there?
David Bolus M.D.
Roy C. Zartarian
: In <Pine.SOL.3.91.9602...@rocky.ucdavis.edu> Sarah Mayhew
: wrote:
: > I'm wondering what paper people are using to take the place of Oriental
: > Seagull paper? Sorry if this has already been discussed, I have been out
: > of touch for a few months due to surgery. Would appreciate any feedback.
: >
: > Sarah Mayhew
: If you miss the cool tones and color effect during ĀlithĀ developement found
: in Oriental paper, I just read about two new Forte (Hungary) paper due to
Apparently the US distributor of the late, great Oriental emulsions has
begun offering "New Seagull." According to my local supplier who has a
small supply of both the vc cold & warm tone offerings in 8x10 right now,
the distributor has found a manufacturer who is coating to the specs of
the original. I picked up a sample pack of 4 sheets and will, I hope,
give it a try in the next few days.
I'll pas on the name & phone no of the supply house by private email if
anyone wants the info.
Roy
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Alan Jackson
"New Cold Tone Forte Papers"
The demise of Oriental has left a considerable gap in the market for
those who want cold crisp images, and those using 'lith' development to
acheive colour effects. Two papers from Forte may fill the gap.
'Bromofort' is a graded bromide paper that works well with 'lith'
techniques. Of similar characteristics, 'Polygrade' is a cold tone VC
paper. It yeilds particularly cold images when used with a very energetic
developer such as Tetenal Dokumol and can achieve a genuine blue.
This might be what you are looking for, this backs up the previous
message.
Alan
Olaf Trygve Berglihn
it difficult to get good tonal separation with this paper using
standard paper developers. Also, the paper seems not to respond to
filtration for grades 3.5 and up when printing with negs of gamma
0.6-0.7 in a difusor enlarger. Any suggestions?
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url: http://www.stud.unit.no/~olafb
AndrewSFxx
Agfa Brovira because of its tonal nuances... now that it is gone, I tried
almost everything out there that was even close... as for the "New
Seagull", which I had high hopes for... it is TERRIBLE!!!! its absolutely
awful... a wimpy paper with a horrible surface finish... this paper is
related in name only to the old paper... in my tests, I found Kodak Elite
Fine Art or Polymax Fine Art to be the closest to Seagull... the Elite
triple weight is a gorgeous graded paper... really fantastic... the
Polymax is very nice, but it is kind of lightweight in larger sizes... but
both have a superwhite base, great blacks and a lustrous surface...
But I still hope that somehow Oriental goes back into production...
because nothing out there can match it
Andrew
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>Sarah Mayhew <szaf...@peseta.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>>I'm wondering what paper people are using to take the place of Oriental
>>Seagull paper? Sorry if this has already been discussed, I have been out
>>of touch for a few months due to surgery. Would appreciate any feedback.
>>
>>Sarah Mayhew
>Talk about being out of touch - I didn't know Oriental Seagull was no
>longer available. When did this happen? It's one of those papers that
>was never available locally, but which I know was widely respected. Why
>did Oriental stop making it? I intended to get around to trying it
>someday.
> Thanks,
> Jeff
Seagull Oriental paper is still being produced but is no longer being
exported. It may in the future be exported, and there will be
companies (perhaps through the internet) that will send you some.
Agfa Portrega, Kodak poly-fiber G-surface are very good papers.
Seagull Oriental is still available in small quantities from Peachtree
Marketing in Mississauga.
Spencer
bo...@chmeds.ac.nz
> I'm wondering what paper people are using to take the place of Oriental
> Seagull paper? Sorry if this has already been discussed, I have been out
> of touch for a few months due to surgery. Would appreciate any feedback.
>
> Sarah Mayhew
My local photo goodies supplier (Photo Warehouse in Christchurch) is not aware of the demise of
that Oriental Seagull paper is on the way out and he would like to know the
reason why.
He still has plenty of Seagull paper in stock.
Cheers
Myles McIntyre
Glenyse Henschel
> My local photo goodies supplier (Photo Warehouse in Christchurch) is not
aware of the demise of
> that Oriental Seagull paper is on the way out and he would like to know the
> reason why.
> He still has plenty of Seagull paper in stock.
>
> Cheers
> Myles McIntyre
Oriental has gone out of business. Bankrupt, I believe. If you have
someone who still has the paper - and you like that paper - BUY IT! Of
course, there won't be any replacement for it.
Oriental was my favorite paper. I love cold tones. I have not yet been
able to find a paper even close to comparable. Everyone seems to like to
make warm-toned paper.
Glenyse
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Helge Nareid
Masayuki NISHIMARU <nisi...@ppp.bekkoame.or.jp> wrote:
>Hello all from Japan
>
>Oriental was bust but they resurge now!!
>They participation to IPPF professional photo show and will publish some new products.
>New packaged seagul are stocked at photo equipment store in Japan.
I also visited the IPPF in Tokyo last week, and can confirm that
Oriental are still in business, and that the papers are still being
produced.
I was told that Oriental is in the process of recovering after the
Japanese equivalent of "Chapter 11", and has had to undergo serious
streamlining in order to survive, which included shutting down the
export division of the company.
I talked to a man who had previously worked for the export division
of Oriental and was now starting his own business. He is trying to
set up an export organisation for Oriental products, and I expect
that it will only be a short time before it is again available on
the international market.
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