XTOL 1:3 - a "compensating developer"?
Usuff Omar
overexposing/underdeveloping my negs (Delta 100, 120 format) to obtain
better prints. I've read that by using a dilute developer the denser
highlights of the negatives will reduced in density more than the lower
density shadow areas and that this is another way of controlling
excessive contrast in the neg. (Bruce Barnbaum uses dilute HC110 with
Tri-X to this effect and calls it a "compensating developer".) Will a
diluter version of XTOL, say 1:3, also have this effect? Anyone with
experience here?
Cheers,
Usuff Omar
Mark Rabiner
Xtol 1:3 is my developer and dilution combination which i use extensively and my
answer would be yes.
The thing is At 1:1 the results don't look like they need more compensation.
But at 1:3 you get a sharper look and better edge effects.
I shoot a lot of Delta and 100 and 400 with Xtol at 1:3 by the way.
I get diachronic fog with my Delta 3200 at 1:3 Xtol So i use it at 1:1 and it's OK.
And the true speed is not even 1600 but 1200. So I only use this film in 120
where there is no other high speed option.
I shoot Neopan 1600 when i want 1600 speed in 35mm.
IMO Xtol is not slightly better than HC 110 but THREE Times better.
And twice as good As D76.
We all have our little opinions don't we!
:)
Mark Rabiner
Portland, Oregon
USA
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John Hicks
wrote:
>I get diachronic fog with my Delta 3200 at 1:3 Xtol
I've noticed that too at 1:2; it's fine at 1:1 or in Microphen or
DD-X.
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John Hicks
Lloyd Erlick
feb201 from Lloyd Erlick,
How do you guys detect this? Iwant to be able to use D3200, and my
experiments show I can use it very effectively at EI 800, and
developed in Xtol 1+2.
What does dichroic fog look like to the eye on D3200??
Thanks...
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John Hicks
wrote:
>What does dichroic fog look like to the eye on D3200??
What I assumed to be dichroic fog was an overall but non-uniform
bluish-greenish perhaps a little shiny fog, similar to what I've seen
on sheetfilms that are said to be prone to dichroic fog with certain
developers. It's never occured with Microphen or even D-76, and the
possibility of a fixing/HCA problem was eliminated.
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John Hicks
W. Paul Mills
: j...@magicnet.net (John Hicks) wrote:
:>On 01 Feb 2001 21:10:29 GMT, Mark Rabiner <ma...@rabiner.cncoffice.com>
:>wrote:
:>
:>>I get diachronic fog with my Delta 3200 at 1:3 Xtol
:>
:> I've noticed that too at 1:2; it's fine at 1:1 or in Microphen or
:>DD-X.
:>
: feb201 from Lloyd Erlick,
: How do you guys detect this? Iwant to be able to use D3200, and my
: experiments show I can use it very effectively at EI 800, and
: developed in Xtol 1+2.
: What does dichroic fog look like to the eye on D3200??
: Thanks...
At EI 800 you are not pushing the film. Perhaps the fog
only occurs when pushing D3200.
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Mark Rabiner
>
> What does dichroic fog look like to the eye on D3200??
>
> Thanks...
>
> --le
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> Lloyd Erlick,
Hello dat123
grainier than at 1:1?
"Mark Rabiner" <ma...@rabiner.cncoffice.com> wrote in message
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Mark Rabiner
>
> Mark, at 1:3 how is your shadow detail coming out?, do you find it to be
> grainier than at 1:1?
>
(ASA) to make me want to change my shooting speed.
In other words…
if it was super compenating to an incredibly high extent, then I'd jack up my
ASA on my Delta 100 to a higher number: say a half stop to ASA 150. But that was
not the case.
No fine tuning of my ASA was necessary.
If it was just an nice developer but (Like many Pyro developers and many other
otherwise excellent developers) it was a little under compensating. I would just
expose more; lowering my ASA to make that automatically happen.
Xtol was said by it's designers to give full film speed.
From long experience with it I'd say this was certainly true.
Not slow
not fast
over or under compensating...
just right on the money.
Ralph W. Lambrecht
situations frequently. Rate it at ISO 200 and have the lab give it
normal development in C41. It makes it almost too easy and I'm sure
Ansel would have loved it.
Ralph W. Lambrecht
Mark Rabiner
>
> You might want to try Ilford XP2 is you are shooting high contrast
> situations frequently. Rate it at ISO 200 and have the lab give it
> normal development in C41. It makes it almost too easy and I'm sure
> Ansel would have loved it.
>
> Ralph W. Lambrecht
>
I like to do my own though.
I'm not about to do my own C41.
And i don't think there 'd be any point to it!
John Hicks
wrote:
>I'm not about to do my own C41.
>And i don't think there 'd be any point to it!
C'mon now, it isn't _that_ difficult.
Besides, you can fool around with development times and dilutions.
Hint: XP-1 dev was C-41 1:1. <G>
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John Hicks
Ralph W. Lambrecht
good for normal and hopeless for N+.
Ralph W. Lambrecht