black and white inks for making digital negatives/prints?
Matt Clara
of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.
Any advice appreciated.
Thanks,
Matt Clara
Engineer@pnb.retired_1987 Don Schmidt
amount of black it uses to cover the area being printed, no matter how small
the area.
(The white is the paper being printed on)
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>'Couldn't get the link to work.
Works fine here. Check your Internet service.
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>"Matt Clara" <no...@myexpense.com> wrote in message
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>>I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
>>of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
>>know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.
>That's a new one to me; my inkjet printer produces shades of gray by the
>amount of black it uses to cover the area being printed, no matter how small
>the area.
>(The white is the paper being printed on)
Gray inks produce a much superior result for critical work.
For more information, see
<http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints4.html>
Better Info
wrote:
On the very rare occasion when I might have to ask a related question; I
weed-out my news-group printer, supplies, and inks ideas from:
comp.periphs.printers
alt.comp.periphs.printers and the rest of the news-groups this question is
directed to just ain't gonna cut it.
I'd redirect this there for you, but you need the learning experience.
You'll remember better next time. Ye ol' "give fish or teach to fish"
thing.
Lawrence Akutagawa
>of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
>know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.
>
> Any advice appreciated.
[chuckle] In the darkroom? With what developer, pray tell - good old
Dektol? How about Bromofort? Perhaps Selectol-Soft to cut down that
contrast? Or maybe Ilford PQ Universal Paper Developer? Or even Arista
Liquid Paper Developer?
nospam
<no...@myexpense.com> wrote:
> I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
> of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
> know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.
piezography inks at inkjet mall
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >'Couldn't get the link to work.
>
> Works fine here. Check your Internet service.
it's not his internet service.
Matt Clara
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Perhaps if you're too ignorant to understand what it is I'm asking you
should just keep your mouth shut? Or is running your mouth without any
thought just how you "roll"?
dj_nme
<http://www.inksupply.com/bwpage.cfm?setMediaCookie=1&the_media_linkID=142>
It works fine for me as well.
Don Schmidt's problem must be either with his ISP or their upstream
provider.
nospam
<dj_...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> It works fine for me as well.
> Don Schmidt's problem must be either with his ISP or their upstream
> provider.
it didn't work when i tried it as well as through this useful site:
<http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/>
thus, it would appear to be *their* isp that's flaky.
Miles Bader
>>>> 'Couldn't get the link to work.
>>> Works fine here. Check your Internet service.
>>
>> it's not his internet service.
>
> <http://www.inksupply.com/bwpage.cfm?setMediaCookie=1&the_media_linkID=142>
>
> It works fine for me as well.
> Don Schmidt's problem must be either with his ISP or their upstream
> provider.
Doesn't seem to work here either ("Connection timed out").
Perhaps the site server is on a computer they turn off after work... :/
-Miles
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Perhaps if you're so ignorant or clueless that you can't tell you're
posting in the *darkroom* newsgroup, you should cease to do so.
There are newsgroups for digital imaging. This isn't one of them. Read
the newsgroup charter, comply with it -- or at least make the most minimal
kind of effort to -- or don't post. It's really very simple.
Why would you expect other people to help you if you're going to start
out by spitting in their faces?
--
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"Even experienced UNIX users occasionally enter rm *.* at the UNIX
prompt only to realize too late that they have removed the wrong
segment of the directory structure." - Microsoft WSS whitepaper
Engineer@pnb.retired_1987 Don Schmidt
mysteries of life.
Take care,
--
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"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
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Rebecca Ore
"Matt Clara" <no...@myexpense.com> wrote:
There's a digital usenet group. This group tends to be more photo
darkroom, as in film and such. If you want a question about hybrid
processes, there's also a hybrid photo forum.
Lawrence Akutagawa
digital printer! If you don't responses like mine, then hie thee to digital
world land where you belong and stay there! Come here to rec.photo.darkroom
with stuff like this and expect more of the same.
Lew
Could you post the full, usenet name of the hybrid group? Thanks.
> There's a digital usenet group. This group tends to be more photo
> darkroom, as in film and such. If you want a question about hybrid
> processes, there's also a hybrid photo forum.- Hide quoted text -
>
David Nebenzahl
> In article <I33Fm.3493$aD1....@newsfe19.iad>,
> "Matt Clara" <no...@myexpense.com> wrote:
>
>> "Lawrence Akutagawa" <lakuN...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:hc1urf$ojc$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Matt Clara" <no...@myexpense.com> wrote in message
>>> news:VTZEm.288146$cf6....@newsfe16.iad...
>>>
>>>> I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black
>>>> with shades of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old
>>>> Epson 1270, but I don't know where to buy inks with a good
>>>> reputation for this purpose.
>>>>
>>> [chuckle] In the darkroom? With what developer, pray tell - good
>>> old Dektol? How about Bromofort? Perhaps Selectol-Soft to cut
>>> down that contrast? Or maybe Ilford PQ Universal Paper Developer?
>>> Or even Arista Liquid Paper Developer?
>>
>> Perhaps if you're too ignorant to understand what it is I'm asking
>> you should just keep your mouth shut? Or is running your mouth
>> without any thought just how you "roll"?
>
> There's a digital usenet group. This group tends to be more photo
> darkroom, as in film and such. If you want a question about hybrid
> processes, there's also a hybrid photo forum.
My ISP (Verizon by proxy) doesn't carry any newsgroups with the word
"hybrid" in their title. Perhaps you could provide us the exact name of
this newsgroup?
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Jean-David Beyer
anymore. They did not reduce their prices when they cut off the UseNet.
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Rebecca Ore
David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
It's on the web, which is far more up-to-date for digital people than a
Usenet film group.
Rebecca Ore
<85332450-669f-4bfc...@x15g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Lew <lew...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.hybridphoto.com/forums/home.php
After all, if you're digital, you're more modern than Usenet.
There is a digital photography group, but I'd have to look at my
killfile to get the full name of that one.
David Nebenzahl
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>
>> My ISP (Verizon by proxy) doesn't carry any newsgroups with the word
>> "hybrid" in their title. Perhaps you could provide us the exact name of
>> this newsgroup?
>
> Have you checked lately? My ISP does not carry any newsgroups at all
> anymore. They did not reduce their prices when they cut off the UseNet.
Well, obviously, since I'm posting here!
But yes, I checked just before posting that. I'm actually surprised I
still have Usenet access; Verizon was supposed to have pulled the plug
on that service by now. So I guess I'm just hanging on by a thread.
(When they do, I know there are lots of other providers out there,
including many that are free, like aioe.org.)
David Nebenzahl
Then explain why at least one film newsgroup (rec.photo.equipment.35mm)
has been taken over by digital users? (Of course, they claim that it's
for *them*, since some of their cameras resemble 35mm film cameras.
Bullshit.)
Jean-David Beyer
plug. Some months earlier, they cut off all but the "big 8".
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Rebecca Ore
David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> On 10/26/2009 3:11 PM Rebecca Ore spake thus:
>
> > In article <4ae5ec03$0$11300$8226...@news.adtechcomputers.com>,
> > David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> >
> >> My ISP (Verizon by proxy) doesn't carry any newsgroups with the word
> >> "hybrid" in their title. Perhaps you could provide us the exact name of
> >> this newsgroup?
> >
> > It's on the web, which is far more up-to-date for digital people than a
> > Usenet film group.
>
> Then explain why at least one film newsgroup (rec.photo.equipment.35mm)
> has been taken over by digital users? (Of course, they claim that it's
> for *them*, since some of their cameras resemble 35mm film cameras.
> Bullshit.)
I have no idea. My film cameras out-number my digital cameras.
Lew
groups and, possible, Yahoo.
laran
> You still have more or less full access to the usenet through Google
> groups and, possible, Yahoo.
rec.bicycles. groups. I think there is a concerted push to phase
newsgroups even though they are the best method of communication over
specialized topics.....
David Nebenzahl
> You still have more or less full access to the usenet through Google
> groups and, possible, Yahoo.
Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather not post or read at all than use
Google's ill-conceived brain-damaged spam portal.
Me
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 08:21:00 -0700, "Don Schmidt" <Don
> Engi...@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in
> <A5qdneIb9MpA8XnX...@posted.palinacquisition>:
>
>> "Matt Clara" <no...@myexpense.com> wrote in message
>> news:VTZEm.288146$cf6....@newsfe16.iad...
>>> I know it's possible to purchase "B&W" inks comprised of black with shades
>>> of gray to replace the Cc,M,Y, cartridges in my old Epson 1270, but I don't
>>> know where to buy inks with a good reputation for this purpose.
>
>> That's a new one to me; my inkjet printer produces shades of gray by the
>> amount of black it uses to cover the area being printed, no matter how small
>> the area.
>> (The white is the paper being printed on)
>
> Gray inks produce a much superior result for critical work.
> For more information, see
> <http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints4.html>
>
They're often called light-black and light-light black etc.
They are weaker (diluted) versions of black ink.
For the higher end inkjet photo printers carbon black pigments are used.
Problem with carbon black and other "black" pigments is that they
aren't black - they're usually a very very dark brown. So when they're
applied at low density, they don't look very black. To overcome that,
they add a blue/violet pigment (sometimes a dye) to make the black
neutral when applied at different densities. They do the same with
black for 4-colour (and more) litho press printing inks. All good so
far, but carbon black and the available lightfast dark blue pigments had
stability problems when used together in low viscosity aqueous
formulations, and blue dye faded too fast for archival inks.
AFAIK the first inkjet ink formulations to overcome this were Epson
Ultrachrome K3 inks, with three "strengths" of black. The data
explaining this together with example formulations is all there in US
patents.
So with neutral (or very close to neutral) at different densities,
smooth tonality was limited by minimum droplet size, so having the
ability to apply same minimum sized droplets of progressively "weaker"
ink is an advantage, and bound to be more neutral than using CYM colours
to achieve this. But some C,Y&M is still used with "neutral" black inks
- it's not perfect, Droplet size isn't fixed, Epson Piezo heads can
vary droplet size by varying amplitude and waveform of the signal (IIRC
8 sizes) HP have different sized thermal nozzles, so many more nozzles
per head, and Canon are in-between, by having several different sized
thermal elements driving each nozzle.
The results are good. You can still see the droplets with a loupe. I
can't with naked eye.