Inks in Kodak Color Paper?
Eldritch
I'm mad as I'm writing this.
Saturday I took a couple photographs to Aaron Brothers (a chain in
California) for mounting onto mat board. In the past I've done this
myself while I was taking a junior college photo class, but I'm not
enrolled currently and don't have my own dry mount press.
Well they screwed it up pretty well. The upper and lower borders
were badly out of proportion. That alone ruined the mounting.
But they also chopped an inch off the right side of one photograph
-- without my permission -- explaining that it was necessary because the
inks in the photograph "bled."
Before I grab the store manager by the throat and shake until I'm
satisfied, I wanted to verify a technical point. There aren't any
"inks" in Kodak color paper are there? I thought there were dyes in
there. I've mounted b/w and color photographs for three semesters.
During that time I've never had a photograph "bleed" on me, nor have I
ever heard of any conversation about "bleeding" sometimes happening.
Can a photo bleed in the press?
(And I suppose I was too furious in the store think real straight,
but as I write this I'm wondering how you would trim a "bleeding"
portion of a photograph off? Wouldn't it be only the heat that would
make it bleed? And of course, since the heat binds it to the mount
board, how could you cut it off later? Besides, if a photo could
bleed, wouldn't it bleed throughout the photo, not just along one edge?)
Steaming.
E
Eldritch
> Holy Moly. No there are no inks in any photographic color process,
> the guy is talking through his hat.
> They cut the edges because they don't know what they are doing. If
> this was a custom print they should pay for a reprint. They simply
> destroyed your property through imcompetance.
> If they refuse to do this take them to small claims court.
Thanks.
But just for the record, color photographs don't bleed, do they?
E
Richard Knoppow
David Glos
Eldritch wrote in message <397D1D81...@hotmail.com>...
> But just for the record, color photographs don't bleed, do they?
Fade.....YES, bleed.......NO! However, inkjet prints are fully capable of
both.
David Glos
Bruce McLaughlin
something else for a living -- possibly alibi writing for the mob!
The paper I usually print with, Kodak Supra III, does have very dim,
what appears to be ink legends on the back saying Kodak professional
paper. But they are very dim and have not bled through to the image
side in the many, many prints I have dry mounted. I wouldn't grab that
nut by the throat. I just would never go back there again. He is being
disingenuous to an extreme. That is, he fibs a lot.
Richard Knoppow
>Richard Knoppow wrote:
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>> Eldritch <epidi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> >
Lots of snipping...
>
> Thanks.
>
> But just for the record, color photographs don't bleed, do they?
>
> E
>
No they don't. The image is made up of dye particles embedded in the
gelatin emulsion. They don't migrate. Neither prints or negatives will
"bleed". True of Type-R prints, Type-C prints, Ilforchrome/Cibachrome,
etc, etc.
Dye sub prints and prints made with inkjet printers can blead
because the dyes are water soluable, as anyone knows who has
accidently spilled something on an inkjet printed page. Perhaps the
guy at Aaron Bros. had some experience with this and is confusing the
two. OTOH, leaving the a border makes more sense to me than cutting it
off if you are trying to avoid ink bleading.
Blead has another meaning. In printing layout it means printing
_without a border_. Photographic prints without a border are often
called "blead" prints. Perhaps he was confusing the two terms. Whoever
did the mounting may have thought you wanted a _blead_ mount.
In either case boiling in oil is too good for them. Maybe used
french-fry oil from McDonalds.
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Eldritch
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> (I get an error message back from Hotmail)
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Sorry. Didn't know. Maybe my mailbox was full. I just checked and
it contained 85 messages, all spam. Who knows what limit they impose.
I only use the hotmail address to divert spam to where I can delete it
conveniently. I already get enough spam at my real address from previous
postings on the usenet. The hotmail address is useful for just these
occasions when someone on the usenet wants to respond to me.
E
Gene A. Townsend
wrote:
> But just for the record, color photographs don't bleed, do they?
>
They do if they're made with ink jet printers. There may be more and
more companies that print enlargements the digital routge, using ink
jet printers as output, and ink jet prints definetely have inks that
can bleed. As if the enlargements were made photographically or not.
Regards,
Gene A. Townsend
>
RAS
most absurd excuses for gross incompetence that I have ever heard! I
suspect that if you had strangled the store manager a jury would have
considered it justifiable homicide.
After you get your money for the loss, stay at least a block from that
place.
"Eldritch" <epidi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:397CB209...@hotmail.com...
Dave Mundt
As the previous posting noted...there are no inks in kodak color
paper...so it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to bleed.
Sounds like the screwed up something, and, damaged the edge
of the photo, then, trimmed it off to hide the problem.
I would make it a point to work my way up through management, to
upper levels, before anything else. At the very least, they should be
willing to replace your photo, and, mount it for free or minimal cost.
Regards
Dave Mundt
Eldritch <epid...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Richard Knoppow wrote:
>
>> Eldritch <epidi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> Holy Moly. No there are no inks in any photographic color process,
>> the guy is talking through his hat.
>> They cut the edges because they don't know what they are doing. If
>> this was a custom print they should pay for a reprint. They simply
>> destroyed your property through imcompetance.
>> If they refuse to do this take them to small claims court.
>
> Thanks.
>
> But just for the record, color photographs don't bleed, do they?
>
> E
>
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Eldritch
> Greetings and Salutations...
> As the previous posting noted...there are no inks in kodak color
> paper...so it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to bleed.
> Sounds like the screwed up something, and, damaged the edge
> of the photo, then, trimmed it off to hide the problem.
> I would make it a point to work my way up through management, to
> upper levels, before anything else. At the very least, they should be
> willing to replace your photo, and, mount it for free or minimal cost.
> Regards
> Dave Mundt
Today I calmed down enough that I felt I could talk without throttling. I
called the store and asked for the store manager. The voice at the other end
said, "I'm Bridget. I'm the manager." So I told her my problem and later went
down to the store to show her the mismounted photos. She was all of 11½ or 12
years old (I must be a lot older than I feel) and had a deeply puzzled look on
her face as she examined the items. She took out her tape measure and appeared
to be measuring to see if the photos were centered. Despite her befuddlement,
she didn't hassle me in any way (or even ask any questions), she just agreed to
pay for reprints of the photos. I guess I couldn't ask for more. I'd already
gotten a refund for the botched work.
She did ask if I wanted them to mount the photos once they were reproduced.
I told her I'd think about it, but I don't think I will.
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Dave Mundt
I must say that I can certainly sympathize with you on this.
QUITE some years ago, I got into doing my own darkroom work when I had
a local shop not only lose a couple of rolls of slides, but, cover up
the mistake by sorting out the slides they had into the appropriate
number of boxes. I should point out that I had GIVEN them 20 rolls or
so of 36 exposure film.
Not only did I know the slides were gone because images that I had
DOCUMENTED taking, from the middle of a roll were missing, but, there
were frames from the closing ceremonies of this event mixed into the
box of OPENING slides, and, the numbers were STILL in sequence.
As far as I could tell, they had mounted but not printed the
slides, and, someone fumbled big time. They made an attempt to get
things back in order, but, no joy.
Ever since then, I did my own developing, so, if there were ANY
screwups, I could talk to the idiot that did it face to face.
Regards
Dave Mundt
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