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Mark

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Jan 9, 2006, 6:35:39 PM1/9/06
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I'm wondering what everyone uses for large format black & white camera
filters. I have three lenses and see that threaded filters range from
about $35-80 each, and I would probably want at least a yellow and red
for each lens. Is there a system that can share filters among lenses?
Also, among the threaded glass filters are choices for extra wide,
multi resistant coating, and slim on the B&H website. Any
ideas/recommendations?!

Mark

Nick Zentena

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Jan 9, 2006, 7:25:25 PM1/9/06
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Do they all have threads? If so you can get step up rings and only buy the
biggest size filter.

If they don't have threads Lee [I think it's Lee] makes a filter
holder that holds on with a rubber band. The package including gel filters
for B&W is something like $50? Only fits up to a certain max size. I want to
say 86mm. Also has a limit on how small it'll go.

I bought a bellows hood from KEH awhile back. It takes 3x3" filters.
They come in various flavours. I got one that uses set screws and can fit
most lenses. A different one that takes adapters that need to be sized for
each lens thread is also sold.

IIRC Calumet sells a rear lens filter holder.

Step up rings are likely the simplest.

Nick

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Mark

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Jan 9, 2006, 9:02:04 PM1/9/06
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> Do they all have threads? If so you can get step up rings and only buy the
>biggest size filter.
....

> IIRC Calumet sells a rear lens filter holder.
> Step up rings are likely the simplest.
> Nick

Hi Nick,

Yeah my lens are 67, 77, and 82mm. My current system consists of
kind of hanging a gel behind the lens and of course one size fits all
so that's good. I don't know if there's image degradation with gels
compared to a glass filter up-front though.

I'll look into your step up rings and rear filter holder.
Thanks!

Jean-David Beyer

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Jan 9, 2006, 10:00:04 PM1/9/06
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I have a Wisner Convertable Plasmat Set. One advantage of this is that all
the lens elements take the same size (58mm) filter. The other advantage is
that I get 11 different focal lengths from 152mm to 450mm in one compact set.

I also have a 90mm f/8 SuperAngulon that takes 67mm filters. I prefer B&W
glass filters, but other filters (e.g., Tiffen) are probably good too. For
the Plasmats, I have a green and a yellow filter, and a polarizer. For the
SuperAngulon I have just green and yellow. A lot of the time I use no
filter. I have a box of a couple of dozen Wrattan color filters. I used to
use them a lot, but not much anymore.

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Mike King

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Jan 10, 2006, 9:09:04 AM1/10/06
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You'll get argument whichever way you go, but gels are cheap and easily
replaced. Downside is that gels are thin and easily damaged. In my opinion
gels are actually superior to some glass filters, most polyester (Lee type)
and probably all Resin (Cokin) but that's just opinion, I know it works that
way in practice for me. Besides I just instinctively "baby" gel filters
since they look so fragile but have found in practice they are tougher that
they look.

For large format, filter sizes for front mounting tend to be quite large and
some older optics require weird sizes, the rear mounted gel holder is a more
"one size fits most" and gels are thin enough that they do not degrade
optical systems (much-beyond my ability to measure anyway).

For 35mm and medium format I have adapted most of my lenses to accommodate
either 52mm (I have loads of Nikon filters and a few Canon), 58mm for my 645
or Cokin A (hey, their system makes a few gadgets you cannot find anywhere
else) I bought an Ilford SFX deep red sized to fit a Cokin gel frame (about
the same week Ilford discontinued 120 SFX!) that I use now with Maco IR.

I like to play with old cameras and still have series 5,6, and 7 junk for my
Graflex XLRF, Speed Graphic, Kodak Tourist, Retina, etc. And a whole box of
Series sized adapters and miscellaneous that I dig out when I acquire a new
"toy".

darkroommike

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G- Blank

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Jan 10, 2006, 10:45:56 AM1/10/06
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In article <11s7g1n...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Mike King" <mike...@cableone.net> wrote:

> You'll get argument whichever way you go, but gels are cheap and easily
> replaced. Downside is that gels are thin and easily damaged. In my opinion
> gels are actually superior to some glass filters, most polyester (Lee type)
> and probably all Resin (Cokin) but that's just opinion, I know it works that
> way in practice for me. Besides I just instinctively "baby" gel filters
> since they look so fragile but have found in practice they are tougher that
> they look.
>
> For large format, filter sizes for front mounting tend to be quite large and
> some older optics require weird sizes, the rear mounted gel holder is a more
> "one size fits most" and gels are thin enough that they do not degrade
> optical systems (much-beyond my ability to measure anyway).
>
> For 35mm and medium format I have adapted most of my lenses to accommodate
> either 52mm (I have loads of Nikon filters and a few Canon), 58mm for my 645
> or Cokin A (hey, their system makes a few gadgets you cannot find anywhere
> else) I bought an Ilford SFX deep red sized to fit a Cokin gel frame (about
> the same week Ilford discontinued 120 SFX!) that I use now with Maco IR.
>
> I like to play with old cameras and still have series 5,6, and 7 junk for my
> Graflex XLRF, Speed Graphic, Kodak Tourist, Retina, etc. And a whole box of
> Series sized adapters and miscellaneous that I dig out when I acquire a new
> "toy".

Are we talking Kodak Gels cause they certainly aren't cheap.

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Mike King

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Jan 11, 2006, 8:40:08 AM1/11/06
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It's been a while since I had to buy any but yeah cheap compare to B+W in
sizes that will cover 4x4/100mm!

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Mark

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Jan 11, 2006, 6:45:27 PM1/11/06
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After a little research on a large format site:

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/filters.html

it looks like this HiTech MK4 system would be nice but not cheap:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=100639&is=REG

$150 for the holder
$39 for an adaptor ring for each lens
$46 for each resin color filter

Nicholas O. Lindan

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Jan 11, 2006, 10:27:13 PM1/11/06
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"Mark" <m...@adelphia.net> wrote

> [Filter system:]


> $150 for the holder
> $39 for an adaptor ring for each lens
> $46 for each resin color filter

I have 2 [3?] resin filter systems wherein the
holder takes a snap-in aluminum threaded ring to adapt
it to the lens. I don't think I spent more than $10
on any of them - each with a selection of filters,
used of course.

I would troll ebay. Filters are usually good for a long,
long time. Occasionally almost full sets of Kodak
gelatin cc filters go for a song.

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John

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Jan 13, 2006, 2:14:50 AM1/13/06
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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:27:13 GMT, "Nicholas O. Lindan" <s...@sig.com>
wrote:


>I have 2 [3?] resin filter systems wherein the
>holder takes a snap-in aluminum threaded ring to adapt
>it to the lens. I don't think I spent more than $10
>on any of them - each with a selection of filters,
>used of course.
>
>I would troll ebay. Filters are usually good for a long,
>long time. Occasionally almost full sets of Kodak
>gelatin cc filters go for a song.
>
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>Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio

I use a Lindahl Compendium with home-made filters from high-quality
acrylic and Rosco gels.

JD

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