prong collar reviewThe Most Effective Way Of Training Your Dog To Deal With Fear?

[The Puppy Wizard]

"Lynn K." <jav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in message news:
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> > i don't think it's possible to train true dog aggression away.

> Far and away the tool I use most often is state conditioning.

> At a rate of several dogs a week over the years
> I've seen literally hundreds of success stories.
> I see a lot of these dogs on an on-going basis,
> years later, and it is a permanent change in
> attitude.

> Lynn K.

Subject: Do you have a SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION or CRITERIA for determining 5
seconds of intimidation and abuse as The Most Effective Way Of Training Your
Dog To Deal With Fear?

Date: 2002-04-13 08:51:18 PST

Hello tracy,

"Tracy Doyle" <tr...@unspam.rag-time.com> wrote in message
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> Marshall Dermer wrote:

Our professor lying doc "scruff shake and scream NO into its
face for 5 seconds" dermer is full of crap... all around.

> > What is warranted is more training as I posted earlier.

What is warranted is you getting the heel outta the university system and
taking your teachers out with ya. Get new staff
and new methods.

Or better yet, just throw away your DEGREES cause they're
MEANINGLESS.

Look at the posters who have .edu and engineering and programming jobs?
They're linear thinkers, much like
yourself professor, but they may or may not be of the
cartean persuasion held by most folks in your business.

> Me, too...

Yeah? HOWE about if by some stroke of LUCK or MAGICK
there was a cure for all behavior problems. WHO would study behavior? I mean
if there weren't no bad dogs, who'd train them?

Let's say you was to find yourself on a desert island and find
that bottle with the genie in it. Suppose you rubbed it an told
the genie to rub out behavior problems, and they were GONE?

Nobody would go to university to study behavior and practice psychiatry or
conselling nuthing.

NO BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS?

That'd be IMPOSSIBLE, wouldn't it? HOWE about health problems? THAT'D take a
miracle. But I don't think we need
to have behavior problems. At least me and my students don't believe we got
to have behavior problems.

> > For example, I taught my dog to wipe his feet on command
> > one afternoon, upstairs, as I was lying on the floor.

Yeah. Amazing.

> > The following morning, downstairs, I issued the
> > command but he did not wipe his feet. As a
> > behavior analyst, I consider the behavior of the
> > organism to always be "right," even if I do not like it.

Yes, but you do "punish your dog's behaviors, but not the dog."

Is that accurate professor?

I do hope you read all my posts, there's a few lately
that have been cutting close to the bone, professor.

> I try not to apply value judgements like "right" and "wrong"
> to my dogs' behavior -

Wait a minit. You got to have alphabet soup after your
name to pull that kinda crap around here and expect to
pull it off. What do you mean by good or bad?

> I really don't believe dogs think in such terms.

What are they thinking when they do something BAD?

> But from my perspective,

You hurt dogs for their pleasure like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn and sinofabitch? Or do you do it for MOTIVATION like lying frosty dahl
does? Or just to get even like janet boss does.

> a dogs repeated refusal to respond to a command which I
> know he has already learned and has generalized is "wrong."

So HURT IT ?

> Whether or not I enforce the command with punishment or
> use another method of getting my point across depends
> upon the seriousness of the infraction.

Could it be the way you are asking is wrong? I get excellent
results and never use any corrections or force. My dogs never
hear a negative word or look or sound or nuthin.

> There are a few commands that can save the life of your
> dog that I believe should be obeyed, always. "Drop it" and
> "stay" are two of them.
> Please see my other post on the subject.

So for just those important commands you hurt the dog to
SAVE IT. Good thinking. I poison proof dogs in about twenty
minutes, but I spend an hour to generalize it and we continue
settin up proofing.

> > Rather than use some punishement procedure,

My students never punish or they have behavior problems
and I usually tell them HOWE COME their dog is doin what
he's doin, based on his performance of the exercises in my
manual.

> > I suspected that the control of the command "wipe"
> > might depend on my lying on the floor as I had the
> > evening before.

Right. You discovered state conditioned learning. Good idea, professor.

> > So I positioned myself on the floor in relation to my dog,
> > as before, issued the command "wipe," and presto he
> > wiped his feet. Then I gradually got off the floor, issued
> > the command and reinforced the behavior. Then we
> > practiced this behavior in the kitchen while I was
> > standing.Then we practiced this behavior in the hallway
> > where we have a mat for wiping our feet.

Excellent, just like it sez in my manual, professor.

> That is a very sensible approach to help the dog generalize
> the command.

Every thing taught in my manual is sensible, if you're not a
dog trainer or scientist.

> > Again, for the original problem,

Dog trainers and scientists. That's the problem we got here.

> > I would recommend that the owner have the dog practice
> > releasing the ball, or some less desirable object [that is a
> > good idea!], repeatedly in various situations and at various
> > times with the appropriate behavior being consequated
> > with "good boy" and strong reinforcers.

Takes my students a couple minutes to teach "out."

> > Eventually, you can thin out the "strong reinforcers"

That's HOWE COME I'm here, professor lying dog "scruff shake
and scream NO into its face for 5 seconds" dermer.

Hey professor?

Level with us. Is that 5 seconds of SCRUFF SHAKE and screaming NO into the
dog's face ARBITRARY or do you
have a SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION or CRITERIA for
determining 5 seconds of scruff shake and intimidation and
abuse IS ENOUGH and is the most effective way of training
your dog to deal with fear?

What provokes our scientist to resort to fear, force, intimidation and pain
to train a dog to respect his "authority?" Is it his lack of experience,
knowledge and ability when it comes to handling animals?

Or is it his lack of self confidence in the first place, which
puts our "educators" in front of children too stupid and inexperienced to
question authority and have to fight like
heel to protect their parents investment in their future by
absorbing your bullshit and payin you to give them the
same sheep shit your momma paid for, professor?

You ever had an original thought besides KILLFILE NINNYBOY?

Naaa, professor. You didn't even originate that. Our pal ed w
of petloss dot CON did. He has a vested interest in DEAD DOGS professor.

What's your motive?

You afraid Jerry's gonna get you thrown the heel outta your
ANAL-ytic behaviorism department?

HOWE COME you killfiled Marilyn for reporting my Surrogate
Toy Separation Anxiety Technique afforded her seriously destructive SA
student an INSTANT CURE?

You call yourself a professor of behavior, proffessor dermer?
HOWE'S my spellin? My granma sends her regards.

As an anal-ytic behaviorist, HOWE do you explain the
CONSISTENT RELIABLE RESULTS my students get
from THEIR FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com ,
the one YOU said doesn't
work, professor outta a job...

>> and just consequate with "good boy."

Just stop blaming my Nana for my spellin.

> Would you ever punish for disobedience of an already
> generalized command?

The word punish doesn't belong in training and education,
tracy. Just ask professor lying doc "scruff shake" dermer.
He'll tell you to regard the CIVIL posters whom he has
learned much from...

> If so, in what circumstances? If not, how would you handle
> the issue?

Our good professor punishes dog's behaviors, and not the dog.

> Just curious...

That's HOWE COME his little dog masturbates on his couch
pillows unless he gets five miles of bicycling a day to control
his obsessive/compulsive anxiety relief mechanism as a
result of punishment.

> Kind Regards,

Kind regards from a dog choker? Thank you.

> Tracy

Ask our good professor to explain HOWE COME his little
dog masturbates on his couch pillows? It's either an anxiety
relief mechanism, or it's allelomimetic behavior...