Dead corn snake
Karin Parker
about 40cm long. He'd shed only twice in 4 months.
He had been eating well, but not in the last week or so. Apart from being
very skinny, the only hint I might have as to why he was like this was a
yellowishgreenish patch on his underbelly, about halfway down the body. His
faeces had looked fairly normal - no sign of parasites.
I just wondered if anyone had any ideas as to what might have happened. He
was the first snake I kept (and probably will be the last!), but I did have
some fairly sound advice on housing and hygiene.
Thanks
Karin
KanDee
he may have passed......what kind of bedding were u using for it? maybe
he may have swallowed some of it accidently & that may have caused a
blockage in its throat or belly to cause it to pass....that happened to
me 2 years ago with my snake......still upsets me to this day cause he
was my favorite.
KanDee
DEADLY for reptiles if they swallow it accidently. thats how i lost my
boy.
Thea
I'm sorry about your corn. The yellow/green area you saw is the
gallbladder. Perhaps there was congenital problem that affected his
ability to digest properly. I occasionally run into corns that are "poor
doers" and although they may eat they just don't seem to thrive. Corns
are normally almost bullet-proof. I would encourage you to try again
with a baby from a reputable source.
Thea
VIN PCF Wyvern
>gallbladder.
I had a corn who died not too long after getting him as a hatchling who also
developed that yellowy-green spot in the stomach area. I just thought it was
some kind of toxin buildup that killed him. Have had several corns since over
the years, but never ran into that kind of problem a second time.
Wyvern
Nightflight99
died, it might have been maldigestion or simply a bacteria. Corn snakes
are known to be very hardy, but if the snake was weak, its immune
system may have been simply too weak. Don't let a bad experience
discourage you from keeping snakes. Get another one and I'm sure its
going to work out fine. Keeping snakes can be a very rewarding and
fascinating experience. Good luck!
> "Karin Parker" <karinc...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> My young male corn snake has just died. He was hatched in July, but
> was only about 40cm long. He'd shed only twice in 4 months.
> He had been eating well, but not in the last week or so. Apart from
> being very skinny, the only hint I might have as to why he was like
> this was a yellowishgreenish patch on his underbelly, about halfway
> down the body. His faeces had looked fairly normal - no sign of
> parasites.
> I just wondered if anyone had any ideas as to what might have
> happened. He was the first snake I kept (and probably will be the
> last!), but I did have some fairly sound advice on housing and
> hygiene.
> Thanks
>
> Karin
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species dies, the zoo can just BURY THE DAMN THING! Nope, let's not do a
necropsy and try to learn from the loss, let's just BURY THE DAMN THING!
Granted, a corn snake isn't in the same league as a Komodo, but neither is a
Piper Cub to a Boeing 747. However, the NTSB will investigate crashes
involving either aircraft. If you don't learn from your mistakes, you're
doomed to repeat them (We learned in Viet Nam how NOT to fight a war, then
kicked ass in Iraq)
Well, that's my $ .02 to a short sighted answer.
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Josh<viper8787>
"Karin Parker" <karinc...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> My young male corn snake has just died. He was hatched in July, but
was only
> about 40cm long. He'd shed only twice in 4 months.
>
> He had been eating well, but not in the last week or so. Apart from
being
> very skinny, the only hint I might have as to why he was like this
was a
> yellowishgreenish patch on his underbelly, about halfway down the
body. His
> faeces had looked fairly normal - no sign of parasites.
>
> I just wondered if anyone had any ideas as to what might have
happened. He
> was the first snake I kept (and probably will be the last!), but I
did have
> some fairly sound advice on housing and hygiene.
>
> Thanks
>
> Karin
>
hatchlings don't live up to the one year mark (that's in captivity, a
known fact), you could do everything perfectly and they can still die.
Did you get him from a store or from someone who breeds them, that
could answer a lot of questions. If your a beginner, I recommend you
start witha corn thats at least 2 years of age. Anyways don't give up
on herps. Otherwise, sorry for your loss.
Josh<viper8787>
Thea
"Josh" wrote:
> 80% of Corn snake
> hatchlings don't live up to the one year mark (that's in captivity, a
> known fact), you could do everything perfectly and they can still die.
Josh
I'm flabbergasted by that statistic. Do you by chance remember the
source? I would really like to hear more details. Thanks.
Thea
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inclined to agree with his statements and their underlying point. In my
store, I am considering discontinuing the sale of hatchling cornsnakes.
With the advent of the internet, and the resultant deluge of millions of
internet users telling every newbie their opinion that cornsnakes are
the "best" snakes for beginners, EVERYONE, it seems, wants to buy a baby
corn. The only problem is, hatchling corns, regardless of one's
affinity for them, can be difficult to get started. I cannot tell you
all how many times we have had hatchling corns feed five, ten, fifteen
times in our store, only to sell it to someone who "has raised snakes
before" and ASSURES us they "know what [they] are doing"-- only to have
a dead baby corn returned to us three weeks later. In fact, I daresay
that we sometimes have as much as fifty percent returns on baby corns!
The BIGGEST problem, I believe, with ANY baby snake, but corns in
particular, is that they need lots of water, and are prone to
dehydration simply because they have not yet learned how to locate the
water receptacle in their cages. Too many times the customer wants to
buy a ten gallon tank or larger, for aesthetic reasons, when, in my
opinion, they would do much better to raise a hatchling corn in a SMALL
Sterilite® or Rubbermaid® storage box with a _few_ holes drilled or
melted into the ends. This ensures the animal will find the water bowl
(since even an average water dish will cover half the floorspace of the
box), and will also make the snake feel more secure than a large, glass
box with a screen lid ever could.
Also, handling is a HUGE issue, as most people just CANNOT resist
handling their new "baby". I can appreciate this, to a point, but I
certainly don't appreciate dead snakes, so PLEASE, everyone-- don't
handle your baby corns until they've fed FOR YOU on at least fifteen or
more occasions. You will have better success, if you do so.
Good luck.
Robert
VIN PCF Wyvern
>I don't know where Josh got his statistics, but I have to say I am
>inclined to agree with his statements and their underlying point. In my
>store, I am considering discontinuing the sale of hatchling cornsnakes.
>With the advent of the int
In my opinion, highly inbred genetically decfective corns are the ones who
contribute to high death rates even though I don't think that particular %
number is really telling all of the story. Just like with rats linked traits
exist and not all traits are desirable but they can be linked to those that
are. Corns are easy to bred and often pique the interest of owners to breed
them just because they can. Soon those people are selling their animals and
unfortunately very few bother to keep track of the bloodlines and known
problems with various lines so you have a lot of "what if" snakes being sold to
people who really don't know themselves what it is they are getting themselves
into.
Wyvern
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HKM
for a necropsy. We can speculate forever but that service
should tell you exactly what happened to your snake. If
you have it done, update us on what *did* happen.
HKMouse
Nathan Tenny
>80% of Corn snake
>hatchlings don't live up to the one year mark (that's in captivity, a
>known fact),
Say *what*? I gotta see a source for this.
I get better than a 20% survival rate with hatchlings from the female that
I've decided is no longer breeding stock because she throws such unhealthy
babies. Eliminating her from the pool I see closer to a 20% *non*-survival
rate.
They do occasionally die without explanation, no question, but I don't
believe an 80% death rate unless it's from a badly skewed sample.
NT
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Nathan Tenny
>very skinny, the only hint I might have as to why he was like this was a
>yellowishgreenish patch on his underbelly, about halfway down the body.
Sounds like the gall bladder. It could have gotten enlarged, which could
be a sign of a problem, or, heaven forbid, it could have ruptured for some
reason, which would have done the poor little guy in in a hurry---but it
can also just be prominently visible in hatchlings because of being a dark
object in a small, light-bellied animal.
It *is* almost always pronounced in hatchlings that have died, but I think
it's something that happens after death rather than a contributory cause.
I'd really suggest a necropsy. It's pretty hard to commit a fatal husbandry
error with a corn snake without realizing it, so I would think it's quite
likely to turn up something that was wrong with him from the start, but I
wouldn't venture to guess what that might be.
Karin Parker
Karin
Rich Zuchowski
Thea wrote:
>
> "Josh" wrote:
>
> > 80% of Corn snake
> > hatchlings don't live up to the one year mark (that's in captivity, a
> > known fact), you could do everything perfectly and they can still die.
>
> Josh
>
> I'm flabbergasted by that statistic. Do you by chance remember the
> source? I would really like to hear more details. Thanks.
>
> Thea
I certainly do hope no one mentions that 'fact' to MY corn snakes! If
that were true, I'd be breeding petunias instead of corn snakes.
--
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John Schmitt
be that the provider of the original data was attempting to house his
animals in an inhospitable environment...say...inside a furnace or at the
bottom of a well. Seriously, that may be the single worse bit of info
ever presented on this newsgroup
--
John Schmitt
Manasota Herpetological Society
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