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Iggy

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May 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/19/99
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I discovered some white spots around Iggy`s upper jaw, nose and neck (on the
sides, next to his eyes).
It could look like he had rolled himself in his white fluid feces, but
that`s impossible, I change the ground cover every day. If I didn`t know
better, I`d say he`s stuck his nose into a bag of coke..:) and somehow it
got stuck on his face, revealing his addiction..:)

He`s about to shed for the third time soon, around his legs and toes, could
these white spots indicate that he will also shed around the head? (do they
shed near the mouth and nose area as well?)

He also got some of the white stuff on his back toes, guess this is a
shedding sign, eh?

About his tail, it`s not green with brownish stripes, but it gets light
brown with dark brownish stripes closer to the tip. He has always had this
color on his tail, is there anything I can do about it or is it normal?

His dewlap will also turn out greyish I believe, maybe more towards white
when he gets older. But the head is still more greylike than the rest of his
body.

The yellowlike spots on his back has sort of disappeared now, I believe this
is the cause of good change in his diets; a lot of dandelions, collard
greens and vitamin supplement every other day.

Otherwise he`s healthy as ever! The appetite is suprisingly big and rising,
and he has grown a lot since we got him, 2 months ago. His tailrot is so
much thicker, that`s the easiest way I can see that he`s grown.


Please forward any comments about his colors, I`m always worried sick
anyway, and since the color-change is the most significant sign, I need a
conclusion if something`s wrong.

:) mAikki
& Iggy, right now wandering around on the ground floor area, trying to find
a nice spot to relieve himself! :)

AngelCalif

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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mAkki...relax...sounds perfectly normal...wonder what his coloring is *finally*
gonna be...that "coke" on his nose and face...prolly just sodium chloride
(salt) excess is sneezed out and it gets all over the place...not to
worry...irridescent, grey coloring on his feet does sound like shed...he'd love
a nice warm bath to help get that gunk off. or misting him more during the day
sure will help speed it up. Did you ever find out about Hatfields book? It is
expensive ($30)but pretty good info in it

get it at : www.amazon.com

do a search under Iguana or Hatfield.
also have ya been to Melissa Kaplans site ?

www.anapsid.org

she has good info on coloration of iguanas...you might find helpful...or
"calming" anyway ;o)
These iguanas sure keep us on our toes huh!
Gina


Iggy

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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Hi Gina!

Yeah, I know this might seem odd to all of you experienced guys anyway...new
Ig-caretakers rushing to n.g. and writing down a question for each sign the
animal shows, whether its good or bad...
But I guess you`ve been there too, right? :)

I purchased Hatfield`s book, and it`s great! Still there is a lot to go
through, and not all of it is information that we need right now. Sure good
to keep and look up later on.
Maybe I should have bought an Ig that had just been hatched? It seems like
when they`ve just been born, it could be an easier way to get `em attached
to you, but hey, Iggy is perfect the way he is, and the taming process just
needs to be looked at as a patiently experiment. Thumbs up for it to have a
nice final result! :)

Yeah, shedding...right after I posted this message, I misted him, and
discovered some losened skin on his right backleg. Sprayed a lot of water in
that direction, and will bath him tomorrow. Poor thing, doesn`t know what`s
going to happen...if he knew he`d sue me if he could! :)

About sneezing...he tends to do this every time we give him a soak, sounds
like he`s got water in his nose. I`ve never seen him (or hear him, for that
sake) sneeze when not given a bath.

Humidity progress; When spraying the terrarium and misting him once a day,
the humidity rises to 70-90 % and stays there for at least a couple of
hours. Guess this is alright, the best I can come up with, the zoostores
here are all waiting for the same shipping of waterfalls for reptiles.

BTW, is there an adress attached to this n.g., where I can post pics of him,
so u all can see what a beauty I got in my livingroom? I`ve already scanned
them in, maybe I could just post the adress to this n.g. or?

He ate everything while I was away today, now I`ve just added some more
collard greens, Rumaine and some parsley on top. Two more bowls with squash,
red pepper, strawberries, grapes and kiwi are also placed inside now, and I
can see him, basking on the topfloor, looking down on the food-dishes,
deciding whether to go down at this minute, or wait another half hour, till
I go sit in front of the TV, watching Norway-Jamaica soccergame. He`s such a
clever little fellow, and needs to be misted again, second time today, I can
see the loose skin hanging around his neck, waiting to come off.

Talk to u guys later!:)
strange thing, Iggy is always the first thing I think about in the morning,
and the last thing I think about before I go to sleep. If he`d only
knew....:)

mAikki
& Iggy, should come out and join me for the soccer game, after that skin has
gotten off....:)

Iggy

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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And he rushed down the very same minute I posted this! Boy, what an
appetite! :)
Watching him eat is the most beautiful activity there is right now.

Eat your heart out, Iggy! There`s more where this come from....:)

Greatful relief,

mAikki :)


AngelCalif

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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mAikki...yeah exactly..been there done that! Your a new parent...with all the
wonder, excitement and panic...Ive had igs a long time...first set over 20
years ago! (I killed em didn't know how to take care of em) no internet then in
fact not much written on them text wise then either. There is soooo much help
out there for people these days...gonna see iguanas living longer I'll bet with
all the information on em...not that its complete...but its getting
there.....just need research..mostly medical now. Anyway...I am so impressed
with you and your care for Iggy....you are coming a long way baby...lol! Good
you got Hatfields book...yeah alot of info...what do you think about Za's
coloring (towards the back of the book) anything like Iggy's ? there's that
chapter on coloration/origins of igs you might find interesting too. Sure wish
I could picture Iggy and his colors...with the grey head like that sounds more
like my male who's a Central American import so far that Ive been able to
figure out. I will try to access those pixs of him...Hey mAikki...any luck at
those international boards over at Kingsnake...why not come check out the
Iguana Forum...Hakan posts there/lurks once in awhile....also...are you on that
Iguana Mailing List? Lots of info there I heard...trying to find out a little
more about it...I will post back ok...also here's the website for the Iguana
Forum at kingsnake...Introduce yerself...lots of nice & supportive people there
too.
www.kingsnake.com/forum/iguana
Good luck
Gina

AngelCalif

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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oops...try posting those pics at the Iguana Forum...I hang out there alot too.
I don't think we're supposed to post pics here. I can't anyway...don't know how
Im new to computers so see you know more than me about that stuff!
anyway...also about his sneezing sometimes when I mist my igs & get water on
their face..they will sneeze...like that little bit of water tickles their
nose and makes em sneeze...lol Good he's shedding...I think they feel
miserable ....my igs seem to feel funky...especially when they're eyelids or
around their mouth sheds...that stuff just hangs there...poor guys...I peel off
what I can and mist them...real good...Hey terrific about the humidity...I wish
I didn't have to work so hard at keeping it up there...lucky if I can get it in
the 70 range and Ive got wet sponges, a humidifier, I mist them , & give them
baths every other day. Going to see about installing a mister on my males
cage. So I'll only have one I really need to work on anyway...take care
Iguana Forum= www.kingsnake.com/forum/iguana

Mindie Kaplan

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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mAikki> Definitely read the chapter in Hatfield's book on diet. I'd cut
out the rumaine and red pepper. Also, fruits should only be 10% of the
diet, so put in strawberries OR grapes OR kiwi. :) Collard greens are
great. You may also want to add kale, mustard greens, escarole, bok choy,
endive, and radicchio. Beet greens and turnip greens are also good. Of
the squashes, butternut squash is the best. For variety, you might want to
throw in the occasional parsley, green bean, or snow pea. Raw spinach is
EVIL. :) You want foods that are high in calcium and low in phosphorus.
There should be protein, but you want to keep the calcium oxalate content
down too.

There's a chart with the ratios of some common foods at:
http://www.sonic.net/~melissk/cal_ox.html

There's a good website with dietary information at:
http://www.sonic.net/~melissk/part3a.html

Mindie Kaplan
Montgomery County Humane Society volunteer and iguana foster mom
Ask me about sweet, healthy foster iguanas available for adoption in
Maryland!

Mindie Kaplan

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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Gina> Nope, no relation to Melissa-- except a shared love of iguanas. :)

Are you referring to the UDSA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference,
Release 12? If not, please post a URL. :)

Which foods, specifically, that I suggested do you disagree with?
Collards are fairly high in Oxalates-- but they also have a great C:P
ratio, so should be fine if balanced with other foods. Watercress is also
high, but again has a decent C:P ratio. The only reason I mentioned
parsley at all was because the original poster had mentioned it (and I
believe I mentioned giving it sparingly-- my apologies if I didn't!)
"Fact vs. Fiction: Clarifying and Verifying the Literature and
Conversatons on the Internet" (Susan Donoghue, V.M.D., M.S., D.A.C.V.N.,
http://www.sonic.net/~melissk/factfict.html) claims that risk from kale is
"exceedingly low."

I wasn't aware that plant protein was a bad thing. My primary sources are
MK and Hatfield. Could you please tell me where to find information
supporting your point?

I'm also not familiar with the effect of phytates or purines on iguanas.
Where can I find this information? Can you also suggest a specific
nutrition book?

Regards


Mindie Kaplan
Montgomery County Humane Society volunteer and iguana foster mom

www.mchumane.org
Ask me about adopting a friendly, healthy iguana from MCHS! (Maryland
only, please)

On 20 May 1999, AngelCalif wrote:

> Mindie..regarding your post...even tho you mention keeping the oxalates
> down....you also list a bunch of foods that are super high in
> oxalates,goitrogens and phytates for her to give her iguana did you notice
> that? Foods HIGH in: goitrogens,phosphorus, protein (plant ), phytates,
> oxalates and purines....should be avoided in EXCESS but can be given sparingly.
> Dairy products , animal fats and animal proteins avoided all together. So much
> insanity about iguana diet on the net...I think follow a few basic rules such
> as above then the sky's the limit. Do you have the Nutrient Database
> website...it lists virtually every plant food consumed by humans--->iguanas .
> It does NOT post info about goitrogens, phytates, oxalates, or purines..you
> gotta get a nutrition book for that! anyway...Melissa Kaplan has the site with
> the blue link thing...lemme know if you'd like it...it is pretty
> informative.....also why not check out Iguana Forum at kingsnake...bet you'd
> like it lots of friendly people...chatting about our favorite green things...
> www.kingsnake.com/forum/iguana
>
> BTW...any relation to Melissa....Mindie?
> Happy Herping
> Gina
>


Alta Brewer

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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In article <19990520140644...@ng-cc1.aol.com>,
angel...@aol.com says...

> are you on that
> Iguana Mailing List? Lots of info there I heard...trying to find out a little
> more about it...I will post back ok...

The Iguana Mailing List was started by Liza Daly in the fall of 1995.
You can see the archives at http://www.echonyc.com/~gecko/digests/
Unfortunately, the interface went down when the server was hacked so the
search function is temporarily disabled. It should still give you an
idea what it's like. The list was moved after the hacking to Onelist
after the hacking so the most current archives are at IguanaMail at
Onelist.

Current posters include Jennifer Swofford, Anne Marsden, Melissa Kaplan,
Henry Lizardlover, Marie Eguro, Desiree Wong, Bill Myers and a lot of
other good people. Adam Britton subscribes on and off, depending on how
much he has to do in the real world.

Like any mailing list or forum, it has it's ups and downs, but overall,
it's one of the best lists I've ever been on.

Alta

aerie

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May 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/20/99
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I would second Alta's recommendation for anyone considering joining -- we
have a nice bunch there, as well as some of the most knowledgeable people in
the Iguana World (including Alta) today. And if nothing else, it's a great
place to share all the funny adventures of living with a big green lizard!

I hope you'll consider becoming a part of it.

Ann and Frodo

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Debs

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May 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/23/99
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Is there any "wetness" to the white spots? I recently read about mite
infestation leading to white spots that ooze as the mites work there way
into the IG's body. Just a different note on the subject.

Deb

Living and learning and loving my IG

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Iggy

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May 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/27/99
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Debs <de...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:QDZ13.1549$Z.2...@newse3.tampabay.rr.com...

> Is there any "wetness" to the white spots? I recently read about mite
> infestation leading to white spots that ooze as the mites work there way
> into the IG's body. Just a different note on the subject.

No, the white spots kinda follow the mouth line in his face, almost looking
like his upper lip, and I don`t really know if they shed around this area.
The part around his nose is also a little brighten.

He does not look wet, as a matter of fact he hates any kind of "wetness",
and would make sure if this was something he could remove, he`d do it! :)

But we`re going to the vet tomorrow anyways, we`ll find out for sure..:)

.) mAikki

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