question about ball python color patterns
Rob
patterns.
Do more balls have the lighter colors from the sides merging with the
dorsal (back) patterns?
Or, do more have a dorsal pattern that stays separate from the side
patterns (like striped ball pythons, except without a continuous
stripe)?
Just curious. I've actually seen balls being sold for more $ because
their side and back patterns blended together. They were being called
"tiger" pattern balls.
Rob in Oakland
David
ball has the lighter patterns on the side merging with the black pattern on
top.
___________________________________________________
Orange fade Bob Long Defiant- 12" J&J 2 Piece, Eclipse LPR, Eclipse Vertical
Adapter, Dye Stickies, Vigilante Reg
Evan Stahl
you look at the all have some differences in pattern and coloration.
Each year for the past 10 years now, a friend of mine imports several
thousand babies from Africa as well as produces hundreds at his
facility. It is so great when he and I sit and go through all the
babies checking them out. What you realize after you have seen tens of
thousands of baby Balls is that depending on which of the three
countries in Africa that they are from and what locality in that
country, you see some redundancies in the overall look. For example,
when people talk about the neat balls with the alien or ghost face
pattern down the sides, that trait origionates from Ghana. Even if the
balls were exported from Togo, you know that they were born in Ghana
because of that pattern being one of the more dominant patterns from
there, while not coming from anywhere else. This season there were
more "granite" patterned balls coming in than I have ever seen before.
Probably due to hunters collecting gravid females from a different
locale than years past. I guess what I am saying overall to you is
this, you will see an equal amount of most patterns and colors (with
the exception of recessive traits and co-dominant traits) if you look
at a large enough sampling. Black backs, stripes, tiger/bengal/banded,
reduced patterns and others are not that rare among tens of thousands.
Evan Stahl
ViperSpit
to stop the importing. After all, imported balls, i'm assuming have done him
well over the last ten years. How about giving back now ?
Don't mean to dig up old bones here, but I find it ironic that someone such
as yourself who was so defensive about devenomizing would tell wonderful
stories about all the imported baby balls you enjoy picking through for
profits.
This isn't an attack, just a topic for discussion.
ViperSpit
"Evan Stahl" <evans...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Evan Stahl
> Doesn't your friend think it's about time to consider a proactive approach
> to stop the importing. After all, imported balls, i'm assuming have done him
> well over the last ten years. How about giving back now ?
Well first off, all of the babies we get are hatched in captivity on
compounds designed for doing so. It is easy to have a very small
picture of what happens in the world but what you need to understand,
right or wrong, agree or disagree with it, this trade is the only
income for many very very poor people in these third world countries.
Often the money that they get from us in a two month period is all
they get all year to feed their family. Not everything is black and
white. This issue has hundreds of very grey facts to contend with. I
will say this to you though, if you read your question, why the hell
would you ask me? Shouldn't you ask him?
> Don't mean to dig up old bones here, but I find it ironic that someone such
> as yourself who was so defensive about devenomizing would tell wonderful
> stories about all the imported baby balls you enjoy picking through for
> profits.
You are creating facts from my statements that I have not made. You
also do not understand the meaning of irony since there is nothing
ironic about your statement. I pick through the baby balls and your
damn right I enjoy it. I love seeing all the wonderful animals. I do
this because I love these animals. It is a dream to most people who
work with these animals to be so priveledged. I am picking out animals
for future breeding. I have an extensive collection of ball pythons
that I am always looking to add to. What is wrong with profit? Do you
do something to make money to pay your bills? I do too. Isn't our
whole country set up around profit? What possible problem would you
have with that? What does my opposing doing elective surgery on a
healthy animal have anything to do with baby ball pythons? Are you
devenomizing them too? What are you talking about? You are really
making no sense at all. Grasping at straws trying to connect things
that have no connection. If you are trying to upset me it isn't
working either. I am just confused at how you even thought these
topics had anything to do with each other. Better luck next time.
ViperSpit
? After that small profitable screening is performed, what sir happens to
the rest of these ?
I'll tell you what happens to them, after the ones that survive make it,
they are sold in bulk to whomever will take them. I bet the majority of
those customers are the pet stores that you bitch about not educating their
customers. Then there's a percentage that end up in rescues or die
afterwards because people who buy your damn cheap imports don't know what
they are getting themselves into.
You can't give me any pathetic story about African's selling balls at a buck
a piece (to feed their families) to some greedy American selling at 30 times
this price.
I suppose this is why you'll never make it to the higher standard of
individuals like Bob Clark or Dave and Tracey Barker who don't have to refer
to importing and exploiting large numbers of animals to make their livings.
What you and your buddy are doing is lazy and empathetic (just as you've
described your pet store customers in a previous post). You don't WORK for
your money, you exploit animals and the poor hunters in Africa who bust
their ass getting them to you.
Your excuse for exploitation can be compared to those in the South before
the civil war who made pathetic excuses for bringing in and keeping slaves.
You make me sick.
ViperSpit
(The King of Knowledge and Defender of what is Right)
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Jeff Wagner
Actually the majority of all slaves that were sold to the white slave
traders were captured and sold by competing tribes. They captured and
sold each other to the white man. Without the blacks capturing each
other the white men would have never stood a chance against so many.
But back to the debate at hand. Evan does not import these animals. He
just goes and hangs out when there is alot of them around. There is a
big difference. I think most everyone here would love to go play with
those snakes given the opportunity.
And getting to pick the best ones for your own collection is a cool
thing too. Evan raises some fantastic captive bred snakes. I have
bought animals from him.
Just another case of you twisting something around that has nothing to
do with what you are trying to argue. It isn't that you are wrong, or
that you are on the wrong side. You just simply twist and distort the
situation into something it isn't.
I'll shut up now. Way too busy these days to get into a drawn out
argument. Even though we havn't gone at it in awhile :) I just simply
don't have time with my new job.
Jeff
In article <d%2t9.22366$Pk1....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, ViperSpit
Evan Stahl
> individuals like Bob Clark or Dave and Tracey Barker who don't have to refer
> to importing and exploiting large numbers of animals to make their livings.
You are just a flaming retard! Every mutation that Bob has
"origionated", he has imported. Maybe you should start reading his
website and literature stupid! You embarrasss yourself with your
"facts" that you just make up! In fact, if you bothered to listen to
Bob, you would know that his albino balls, all his retic mutations,
burmese mutations and much more are all animals he imported!!! The
vast majority of his collection of burmese, balls and retics is from
animals that he imported himself. You are just really stupid! Dave and
Tracy also have many projects that started with imported animals and
wild caught animals like their albino trans pecos rats and ball python
mutations. They also sell animals that are wild caught sometimes.
Ralph Davis started his "platinum", "lavender albino" and many other
projects with animals imported from Africa. NERD started many many
projects with imported balls, retics and others. Pete Kahl imported
his albino retics, leucistic ball python, pieds, etc. He bought his
first male albino boas from others who imported them. The Sutherlands
built much of their collection from hand picked Afican babies cherry
picked from a large importer. Where do you think the animals come
from?
> What you and your buddy are doing is lazy and empathetic (just as you've
> described your pet store customers in a previous post). You don't WORK for
> your money, you exploit animals and the poor hunters in Africa who bust
> their ass getting them to you.
>
What bullshit! We don't work for our money? You are just beyond
stupid! We pay for these animals with money we earn jerk off. Then we
put so many hours into working with them to get them all healthy and
feeding and maintain them. And yeah, how lazy we are individually
housing, feeding and caring for all the animals. It just so happens
that my "buddy" is one of the biggest breeders and names in the
business. Many of his mutations came from animals that he imported and
bred. But again, you are too stupid to think of that.
By the way illiterate, it is not "empathetic" it is apathetic. Maybe
use a dictionary once in a while. I'm sure one of your neighbors in
your trailer park
has one.
Again genius, you really know your facts. The poor hunters, who bust
their ass' getting them to us. Sure. They are really hard workers that
is why we have had people from the USA over there the past several
years overseeing selection for us. Because these "hard working" people
who "bust their ass" that never go more than two miles from where they
live, who work about 6-8 hours a day. Some of them do nothing but buy
CITES paperwork and wait for others who produce the babies to come to
them and sell them the animals that they have because they can't get
CITES documentation for export. Boy, they are bustin' their ass! They
exploit a natural resource for a living. Fisherman in New England, oil
companies in Texas, lumberjacks in the Northwest all do the same. No
difference.
> Your excuse for exploitation can be compared to those in the South before
> the civil war who made pathetic excuses for bringing in and keeping slaves.
Sure, buying snakes is just like enslaving people. Man your stupidity
knows no boundries. You should also study history. People in the
North, including several presidents of this country kept slaves. But
your right, it was just in the South.
>
> You make me sick.
>
And I think you are one of the dumbest and most lazy individuals who
ever lived.
You know absolutely nothing about the industry, importation, husbandry
or anything else, but you always have to shoot off your big mouth
making up the truth as you go along. Everything that you post is just
fiction. You obviously don't read anything or talk to anyone who knows
anything on any of these subjects. What have you imported? What have
you experienced? What have you produced? Nothing. Yeah, I know. You
are just human waste "buddy"! Don't you think maybe it's time that you
put yourself out of this misery and just stopped posting lies? I mean
really, there would be no more suffering with how stupid you are and
you wouldn't have to sit and get angry in front of your computer when
people who post actual facts clarify that everything you post is wrong
and fabricated.
ViperSpit
Spit
none
>whatever. blah blah blah
>
oooh, good comeback, especially your incorrect statement regarding Evan vs
Bob/Dave & Tracy, about imports. Not to mention those other rediculous comments
and illogical analogies.
John
"Suppose you were an idiot...And suppose you were a member of Congress...but, I
repeat myself." Mark Twain
ViperSpit
I don't need to convince anyone but myself of this fact.
My statement regarding Evan vs those in a much higher league than himself
was right on target. I don't believe they import in "BULK" (apparently you
can't read as well as being a moron yourself).
By the way, "the young lad" doesn't have to give me any history lessons on
where Bob has been, and how he got where he is today. If you only knew......
heh heh.
Sleep well with you, dumbasses.
Spit
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Evan Stahl
> whatever. blah blah blah
>
> Spit
Yeah, "whatever". At least for the first time in history you don't
respond to facts with lies. For the first time ever we were having a
discussion without bullshit and then you had to go and be insulting
and name calling. Grow up.
ViperSpit
defend you and your lies. do you sleep with these guys ?
we used to chew people like you up and spit you out when i was in the
marines.
Spit
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sPIT
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no but thanks to you theres more women for me.......still think a Hoggie
looks like a Garter?
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fine......but i can still tell when a hoggie is a hoggie and not a garter
Now bored of things sad yanks drivel
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than i thought.
A Garter Snake,...........LOLOLOL.
Spit
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You have just proved to me and everyone else here what you do know, or
should i say what you dont farm boy
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Spit
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whats left of it
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Evan Stahl
shit and the best response you have, since you can't argue facts or
knowledge, because you have none of either is to go the old route of
the 8 yeard old "Are you gay?"
If I were your father I would have shot myself for bringing a piece of
garbage like you into the world. You are just a worthless moron, just
like you have been told your whole life by your parents, teachers (up
until elementary school when you dropped out), employers and any women
stupid enough to even think about letting you near them. What's worse
is you lie like a bitch to substitute for the fact that you have no
idea what you are talking about and then are not man enough to adlit
that you are wrong. You are garbage. My time is way too valuable to
spend talking to you anymore you pant-load.
Snakela...@webtv.net
animals. Wasn't it Bob Clark that was recently selling imported Nile
crocs? snake lady
"Medicine to produce health has to examine disease" Plutarch
http://community.webtv.net/SnakeladysFarm/SnakeLadysReptile0
Snakela...@webtv.net
personally feel that this name calling makes all of us herpers look like
jerks. I totally agree with pointing out facts but this name calling &
putting others down is totally unnecessary. I think that herpers need to
present themselves in a positive light. Name calling makes us all look
bad in the eyes of others. This is part of the problem with herping & it
will be one of the reasons that PETA & the HSUS will win their battle
against all herpers. I think we all can make our points without
resorting to childish behaviors. If herpers ever needed to band together
to protect our hobby now is the time! snake lady who is snuggled into
her flame retardent suit:^)
ViperSpit
numbers. not a few select animals.
bubble still well intact.
spit
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ViperSpit
this way in person, at my job, and i'm
very successful and well liked for my no bullshit straight forwardness with
a touch of humor.
the problem is those who take my posts too seriously and have a sensitivity
to perspectives
on the trade that i present. i don't draw first blood on the name calling,
it's typically one of the rodents that
frequent here, and when that happens i will respond in the intellectual
manner that is appropriate for that individual and the level that her/or she
understands based upon the interpretation of the message.
i've posted many messages here, and it's only the one's where sensitive
issues are brought up with a nonstandard view presented by myself that
people get their feelings hurt.
i'm sorry Evan if i hurt your feelings. i certainly didn't mean to at the
beginning of the thread and didn't know that what i was trying to convey
(for discussion purposes) was going to trigger what this thread turned out
being.
you're exactly right about the reputation in the trade, it has even been
brought up in publications such as Reptiles Magazine. customer service
sucks, nobody guarantees anything, and there is people being misled on an
array of issues, too many to point out here.
if i'm ever going to band together with anyone, they better start, stop
acting like know it alls.
ViperSpit
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pet trade. snake lady
ViperSpit
are the people interested in buying these any more of a freak than you or i
are for wanting snakes.
are you now saying that you should distinguish between owning a croc and
owning a snake
that can, under the right circumstances, be just as dangerous ? is there a
difference between a person
who doesn't have the appropriate housing for a large reticulated and a
person who doesn't purchasing a croc ?
i sense a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black here, not to
mention you still don't get the relevance, (and my initial point)
distinguishing a true breeder with facilities setup here in the US vs. the
"importer" of animals by the thousands dumped off in a consumer market of 12
year olds.
spit
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died before long. However this is an animal that can grow to enormous
proportions & would dwarf any giant snake. Not to mention the proper
environment for a Nile croc would cost thousands to build & require a
major commitment of space & equipment. A proper retic cage could fit in
a normal household while an adult Nile croc would require a large very
specialized environment.
I keep dwarf caiman & even these require special housing. The caiman
cost $250. His home was a major expense & required equal land & water
space. He needed special filters & heaters that he can't chomp on &
electrocuted himself. I can't imagine the expense involved in properly
housing an adult Nile! Nor do most people have the manpower available to
properly handle these guys & trust me they will need to be handled!
Personally I don't support the trade in large snakes either. I live in a
state where retics, Burms & other dangerous reptiles are permit only &
with good reason. Again your analogy makes no sense. It shows your
ignorance in caring for any crocodilians including the true dwarfs.
I've seen these large so-called "reputable" breeders selling large herps
to young people that can't properly care for themselves let alone a
large reptile. It's just business. I had these kids looking at my boas &
commenting that they were too big for them to meet their needs. Yet
these same kids bought a Burmese python from a "reputable" breeder next
to my table because the breeder told him it didn't get that "big".
I strongly feel that the buyer is responsible for his purchases & needs
to educate himself before purchasing any animal. However if you just use
a small portion of your brain you'd realize that a retic is much easier
to properly house than even a dwarf crocodilian let alone an adult Nile
croc that needs a large land & water areas & could weigh over a ton! BTW
I find the statement "the pot calling the kettle black" to be
prejudiced! This again gives me more insight into the man calling
himself "spit". My war of wits is over yet again with my unarmed
opponent. I'm sure you'll call me some childish names so I won't feel
left out of you hate spewing grade school level tirades. Now go feed
your iguana some animal protein because rescued igs kidneys are special.
Just like you're "special". snake lady
ViperSpit
Spit
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here who did.
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ViperSpit
el canto consigue los ácaros hacia fuera ?
vaya comen su rata del queso.
Spit
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dont try and show off it doesnt suit you
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Doug Herr
> cual es su problema vato ?
>
> el canto consigue los ácaros hacia fuera ?
> vaya comen su rata del queso.
> Spit
For others like me, who (even tho I live in California), don't
have Spanish beyond dealing with a menu, I have used AltaVista
translations to convert this....
You said:
"as it is its vato problem? the song obtains the acaruses towards
outside? go eat his rate of the cheese."
(That does clear it up for me at least.)
P.S. The translator:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr
--
Doug Herr
doug*at*wombatz*dot*com
Julian Hales
Well its damn long time since i lived in Spain, well the Canaries to be
precise so im a lil rusty but like i said to him dont show off as it didnt
suit him......
"Doug Herr" <do...@wombatz.invalid> wrote in message
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Evan Stahl
> beginning of the thread and didn't know that what i was trying to convey
> (for discussion purposes) was going to trigger what this thread turned out
> being.
>
> you're exactly right about the reputation in the trade, it has even been
> brought up in publications such as Reptiles Magazine. customer service
> sucks, nobody guarantees anything, and there is people being misled on an
> array of issues, too many to point out here.
>
> if i'm ever going to band together with anyone, they better start, stop
> acting like know it alls.
>
> ViperSpit
I don't know if you are reffering to me as a know it all or not, but I
know a whole hell of a lot about the industry that I am in. Much more
than you do, as has been made obvious by your statements in this and
other threads. I am a licensed importer/exporter. Are you? I am in
this industry as a business for 15+ years now. Are you? Have you
been? I have been all over the country to shows and shops. I know a
ton of people in this biz and talk to them daily about what is going
on in it. I also get calls all the time about international trade.
What do you know? What you read in a magazine? Instead of insulting me
for fun, maybe you should try to absorb some facts and broaden your
knowledge on a subject. Regardless, I speak from a position of
knowledge. You resort to insults because you can't back yourself up
with facts. Evan Stahl
Evan Stahl
You just know nothing. Bob has brought in hundreds of the crocs. He
was trying to bring in many more. He sold them for a quick buck to
ever wholesaler and junk dealer there is. Why don't you stop kissing
his ass on here and go learn the truth. "A few select animals", yeah,
sure. You just keep spewing your home made facts.
Evan Stahl
> owning a snake
> that can, under the right circumstances, be just as dangerous ? is there a
> difference between a person
> who doesn't have the appropriate housing for a large reticulated and a
> person who doesn't purchasing a croc ?
Your stupidity knows no boundries. The Nile Crocodiles that you are
talking about grow to 20' long, a weight of over 1,000 pounds and eat
water buffalo in the wild!!! No, I'm sure you are right. The kids that
have bought them in pet stores for $400, (that were sold to the pet
stores by Strictly Reptiles, who bought them from Bob), I'm sure they
have adequate housing for that size of an animal! You are unreal. Read
a book!
ViperSpit
less money than i do.
what you know about the industry certainly doesn't impress me.
Spit
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Spit
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fr0glet
> been? I have been all over the country to shows and shops. I know a
> ton of people in this biz and talk to them daily about what is going
> on in it. I also get calls all the time about international trade.
Don't forget your pessimism!~!!@!~
fr0glet
Snake Whisperer
stay little!
later,
Pete
Live by the Golden Rule. Pay it forward.
http://community.webtv.net/SnakeBusters/SnakeBusters
Doug Herr
> i don't need your resume and i'm certainly not amused by someone who makes
> less money than i do.
> what you know about the industry certainly doesn't impress me.
I am sure he could earn more money if he lowered his principles.
Using Snakelady as an example; it seems that she could have
earned more money at a herp show if she had not shown the adult
size of her boas. Others who were less honest earned some money
that she passed up due to her professional ethics.
Please just tell Evan that you have a big dick and be done with
it.
--
Doug Herr
doug*at*wombatz*dot*com
Snakela...@webtv.net
Unless I can use my hubby's dick. On the other hand females are capable
of multiple orgasms:^) I believe that makes us the superior sex. lmao
Jeff Wagner
acheived.
Better living thru lower expectations.
jeff
In article <1336-3DB...@storefull-2292.public.lawson.webtv.net>,
Evan Stahl
> If you keep the croc in a 10 gal tank and only feed once a month it will
> stay little!
>
eventually it will die. They have an extremely high metabolism
augmented by the fact that they muct be kept warm. No matter what the
enclosure size is they will outgrow it. I have worked with nile crocs
for a coule years. They grow much more rapidly than alligators even
when fed little. Evan Stahl
Evan Stahl
are glorifying people that are doing exactly what you are condemning.
You are a hypocrite and have no clue about anything factual in this
business whatsoever.
Snakela...@webtv.net
ViperSpit
Simple points for simple minds, but anyhow, your view of the world is
demented, and as I've said previously makes me sick. You (smelly tennis
shoe) are the hypocrite. On one hand you bash individuals for devenomizing
their snakes (which is none of your business anyway), and on the other you
glorify siphoning through ball pythons crated up by the thousands. (because
you "care" for the animals).
Here's a fact to put up your rump roast.
Bob Clark has THE largest (do you understand what king of the hill means)
breeding facility for snakes in the United States of America. You will never
reach his stature for knowledge, facilities, and especially character. And
yes, he only imports a select few animals as much as that makes your stomach
turn because you cannot achieve his business model no matter how much you
try, for the rest of your life. I would be really angry if i were you too,
which is the only sympathetic thought I can regurgitate for your situation.
Keep up the posts Eva, reputation is only 90% of the business :-)
Spit
"Evan Stahl" <evans...@aol.com> wrote in message
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fr0glet
> Actually it just creates more disappointment when a multiple isn't
> acheived.
> Better living thru lower expectations.
You just keep tellin yourself that, pal.
fr0glet (multiples)
Evan Stahl
> Here's a fact to put up your rump roast.
>
> Bob Clark has THE largest (do you understand what king of the hill means)
> breeding facility for snakes in the United States of America. You will never
> reach his stature for knowledge, facilities, and especially character. And
> yes, he only imports a select few animals as much as that makes your stomach
> turn because you cannot achieve his business model no matter how much you
> try, for the rest of your life. I would be really angry if i were you too,
> which is the only sympathetic thought I can regurgitate for your situation.
MY GOD YOU ARE STUPID!!! Bob is not even close to the largest breeding
facility in the USA!!! CAll him and ask you stupid fuck! I can list a
dozen people with collections ten times to a hundred times the size of
Bob's who work with either hundreds of species or who produce huge
quantities of a couple species. You just know nothing. Why don't you
email or call Bob and tell him about this thread and he will come on
here and put facts up to match what I am saying! Nothing you are
saying about him is even close to the truth! Do you even know anything
about him? I have friends in this business that produce hundreds of
thousands of animals a year! Some who produce only tens of thousands a
year!!! Bob might have produced a few hundred animals this season! Ask
him stupid!!! I don't know where you got this idea from or where you
get your information from but I am really tired of you just outright
lying all the time!! This has nothing to do with me. You are just 100%
full of shit! You do nothing but lie! You make up everything you say!
You are the biggest loser I have ever had the sad displeasure of
encountering on the net!
ViperSpit
who's the person who doesn't know what they are talking about ?
who's an "idiot"
among all the other infantile names you've called me ..........
"infact, Bob Clark own the country's largest commercial breeding operation".
(quote from National Geographic Explorer)
http://www.bobclark.com/multimedia.asp
click on "Bob Clark on National Geographic Explorer!"
watch, listen, and weep. then come back and apologize because any amount of
creditability you had with anyone prior, has just gone out the window.
i'm not going to get bob to respond here, because you are not worthy of his
attention. not to mention, i'm quite bored with you myself and you certainly
don't deserve my time either. this is my last post to educate your withered
mind. find another tutor, and you ought to be careful of slanderous remarks
regarding bob's business or he may bring his lawyer to the NG as well.
Spit
"Evan Stahl" <evans...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "
Evan Stahl
> (quote from National Geographic Explorer)
Like I said, ask Bob and he will tell you he is not. You worship the
guy and yet you are afraid to email him? But anyway dumbass, here are
a just a few people that are much larger than Bob to get you started:
Gourmet Rodent (the largest comercial producer of reptiles in the
USA), Reptile Industries (the second largest), BHB Enterprises,
Reptiles by Mack, NERD and many others have larger collections and
produce more animals.
Evan Stahl
lizard breeding facility.
Penmod
>From: "ViperSpit" vi...@msn.com
>Date: 10/26/02 5:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
>cual es su problema vato ?
>
>el canto consigue los ácaros hacia fuera ?
>vaya comen su rata del queso.
>Spit
Maldito! No seas asi con el pobrecito! ;c)
MRLMMD:
Marty Oberman, Jr.
(Pen...@aol.com)
"There is no spoon..."
Rob
Chad Trapp
Try this - http://www.ballpython.com/morphs.shtml
Oh, and for "tiger" to be a true morph under most standards, it would
have to breed true. Otherwise it is just a freak mutation in most
peoples book. Not that the snake might not fetch a slightly higher
price as someone may want to breed it to prove it as a morph.
Chad
Jeff Wagner
There are several popular morphs that do not always breed true though.
I call them "tendency traits" for lack of a better word. For example,
tangerine honduran milksnakes. The tangerine color is not a recessive
trait as you can breed two tangerine hondos and get tricolor babies.
You will have a strong tendency towards tangerine babies but it will
not be cut and dry like recessive traits are. There is several other
traits that fall into this group. Oreo and halloween pueblans do not
always breed true. Nor do abherrant patterns. The best you can do is
give yourself a tendency for these traits.
Just food for thought.
Jeff
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