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Karl Harden

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Dec 27, 1994, 6:36:37 PM12/27/94
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Everybody I know that served in Vietnam has asked me about "Fuck You"
lizards. All I have been able to determine is it is some kind of gecko
that sounds like it says fuck you. I have heard of people importing them
from Asia, but nobody seems to know the species. Anybody out there know.
Species? Availability? Special needs? any info would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks
K

Phillip Burgess

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Dec 28, 1994, 1:26:14 AM12/28/94
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har...@ping.com (Karl Harden) writes:

I do not know the specific breed, but I have seen these geckos in the form
of store pets at one reptile shop. The owner said that when he's leaving at
night & turns the lights out, the geckos start shouting, "f*** you!" (they
did not offer a demonstration, so I don't know if this is really so). This
was over a year ago, but I believe they were a breeding pair, so maybe they
still have some. The store was Reptile Kingdom in Manhattan Beach, CA.
(I'd like to hear what this phone conversation is gonna sound like! :-)

--
Phillip Burgess (pbur...@netcom.com) >belch<

Rich Young

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Dec 28, 1994, 9:10:34 AM12/28/94
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I've tried to identify the lizards in question and have met with
only limited success. Many years ago, I read a book which named
them, but it called them "Tuk-Too" lizards, which I thought was
far more representative of the noise they make. Unfortunately,
the passage of time has robbed me of the memory of the exact species
name. From memory, though, they were definitely geckos, and I
believe that they were probably tokay geckos: they are known to
inhabit human dwellings, they're about the right size, and I've
heard the male's mating call described as "TOH-kaaaaaaaay", which
is close enough for ME. You just ain't LIVED until you've had
one in top breeding fettle break out in full voice at 3:00 AM
while sitting (?) on the wall just above your head! In Thailand,
a delightful place by the way (if you get away from the sex shops
and massage parlors of Bangkok), a dwelling is considered cursed
if it doesn't acquire its complement of geckos soon after con-
struction is complete.

Anyway, I think they were probably tokays. If anyone has a better
answer, I'd sure like to know too.


-Rich Young

(The view expressed herein should not be assumed to be that of my employer.)

pp00...@interramp.com

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Dec 29, 1994, 3:08:55 AM12/29/94
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Lizards dont speak although some species of geckos make clicking
sounds although you probably have to stretch your imagination to
hear "f... you" in those clicks. There are thousands of gecko spcies
worldwide and probably several dozen or a hundred or so from SE Asia
(e.g. Vietnam).

Rich Young

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Dec 29, 1994, 8:59:23 AM12/29/94
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Trust me on this: although I agree that it takes a stretch of the
imagination to get a linguistic vulgarity out of it, the geckos we
had in our house in Thailand did far more than just "...make
clicking sounds"!

Raksha

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Dec 29, 1994, 8:45:12 PM12/29/94
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In article <3dufbr$7...@sasquatch.clpd.kodak.com>,

Rich Young <yo...@clpd.kodak.com> wrote:
>In article <3dtgtj$c...@www.interramp.com> pp00...@interramp.com writes:
>>
>>Lizards dont speak although some species of geckos make clicking
>>sounds although you probably have to stretch your imagination to
>>hear "f... you" in those clicks. There are thousands of gecko spcies
>>worldwide and probably several dozen or a hundred or so from SE Asia
>>(e.g. Vietnam).
>
> Trust me on this: although I agree that it takes a stretch of the
> imagination to get a linguistic vulgarity out of it, the geckos we
> had in our house in Thailand did far more than just "...make
> clicking sounds"!


Right, geckos do have voices. They and the crocodilians are the only really
vocal reptiles, as far as I can think of at the moment ... though I've also
heard something about the tuatara having a "voice"...? Can someone confirm or
deny?

I've heard Tokays calling in the wild, and I always thought their call
clearly said "GEK-o, GEK-o," rather than "To-kay," even though they're named
after this supposed sound.
The little brown house geckos, on the other hand, do make clicking-type
sounds.

--Raksha

mel turner

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Dec 29, 1994, 4:33:56 PM12/29/94
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jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) writes:
> I've heard Tokays calling in the wild, and I always thought their call
>clearly said "GEK-o, GEK-o," rather than "To-kay," even though they're named
>after this supposed sound.

Doesn't this make them the only animals that habitually go around saying
their Latin name?

(Smart little guys--- they say it in full, giving both genus and species).

mdt

Raksha

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Dec 29, 1994, 10:44:39 PM12/29/94
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In article <mturner.40...@acpub.duke.edu>,
mel turner <mtu...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:

> jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha) writes:
>> I've heard Tokays calling in the wild, and I always thought their call
>>clearly said "GEK-o, GEK-o," rather than "To-kay," even though they're named
>>after this supposed sound.
>
> Doesn't this make them the only animals that habitually go around saying

>their Latin name?
>
>(Smart little guys--- they say it in full, giving both genus and species).


Hey, you're right! :)


--Raksha

Gldancer

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Dec 30, 1994, 8:50:07 AM12/30/94
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These are Tokay geckos. My husband had a very funny experience with them
in Southeast Asia. Here was one lone lizard calling out "f.... you" in
the jungle, and they all thought that it was hostile folks, so he called
in an air strike! All because of one lizard, which they did not eliminate
anyway! He said what great fireworks! And what it cost!

He won't allow me to have any of those in the house - they remind him too
much of Southeast Asia.

Gloria

Cynthia Teague

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Dec 30, 1994, 12:16:00 AM12/30/94
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In Article <3dvon8$4...@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> "jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Raksha)" says:
> Right, geckos do have voices. They and the crocodilians are the only really
> vocal reptiles, as far as I can think of at the moment ... though I've also
> heard something about the tuatara having a "voice"...? Can someone confirm or
> deny?
>
> --Raksha
>
Don't know if you'd call it a voice, but my sulcatas burp loudly enough
to be heard two floors up, and I've been told that the males' grunts
during mating are even louder.
Cynthia Teag

barbara j ohlund

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Dec 30, 1994, 4:56:35 PM12/30/94
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I had a half dozen Tokays loose in my basement. Up late one night, they all
started calling around 2:00 AM. I hadn't heard of "fuck-you" lizards before,
but that was the first thing that came to mind when they were heard.

In note <3e136f$e...@newsbf01.news.aol.com>, glda...@aol.com (Gldancer)
writes:

pp00...@interramp.com

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Dec 30, 1994, 7:43:01 PM12/30/94
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The sound emitted by gators and geckos and other herps may be a voice
to other geckos and gators, etc, but they are not voices in human
terms.

Tony Berke

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Dec 31, 1994, 12:01:38 AM12/31/94
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Raksha (jk...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:
: In article <3dufbr$7...@sasquatch.clpd.kodak.com>,

: --Raksha

Vocal reptiles?? Try a tortoise making love!

....What Is?....

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Dec 31, 1994, 12:08:27 AM12/31/94
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He's barked a few times. Make the german kh sound while your mouth
is open, and continue doing it as you close your mouth, and stop
once your mouth is closed, and that's pretty much what it sounded
like. Kind of a raspy sound.

Has anyone else's iguana barked? Or is that indicative of some
health problem?

(To whoever maintains the iguana FAQs: please send them to me!
I looked at rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet but didn't find them.)

Steve Boswell
wha...@primus.com
Television -- tune in, turn on, drop out.

j...@roch0.eznet.net

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Dec 31, 1994, 7:32:26 PM12/31/94
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hahaha...I've heard red-foots making love and the male makes a sound like
he is laughing :)

Rob S. Rice

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Dec 31, 1994, 9:34:40 PM12/31/94
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Timely re-release....

The Rime of the Barking Iguana
By Rob S. Rice


She stood there in the iron dock, facing the shrouded men
Who dared her, in the name of truth, to speak those words again.
Torturers stoked their branding irons until their forges sparked,
And yet again, she spoke those words:
"Yes, my iguana barked!"

Again, the gasp came from the crowd, again, the blazes roared.
Again, she'd dared to speak those words the orthodox abhorred.
Iguanas wearing neckties, sure, they'd seen a lot around,
But no reader of rec.pets.herp had heard one make a sound!

A kindly priest rose up, and turned, and faced the Inquisition:
"Fathers, in the name of Net, let her change her position!"
He turned: "Come now, confess, my dear, before the Flamers come"
"We've met some smart iguanas, true, but every one's been dumb."

She bent her eyes down to the ground, but then she looked up, grim:
"'Flounder' starts barking every time I'm late in feeding him.
"He barks when I'm playing Pink Floyd, and climbs up on my clock,
"And bobs his head and hisses when I'm playing acid Bach."

"Enough!" screamed the Inquisitors, "Consign her to the flames!"
"No reptile has vocal cords, besides, who likes smart dames?
And several threw books at her, but were so peeved they missed,
The frog-lovers joined in with croaks, while the snake-lovers hissed.

And then, from way back in the room, they heard a high-pitched yap.
It struck the clustered mob just like a sudden thunderclap.
The ranks of heads all turned as one, their necks all seemed to break,
Indeed, a reptile HAD barked, but this one was a snake!

A lordly burmese python there sat coiled on the floor.
We're talking heavy-duty snake--twenty feet or more!
And in the silence of the room, with tension cut so fine,
They heard that muffled bark again, soon followed by a whine!

"A miracle!" the lookers roared, "Release her from the stocks!"
They bore her from the courtroom, where they'd all endured such shocks
And only one was left to muse in that ecstatic fog:
"I've heard a reptile talk at last! Has someone seen my dog?"

Rob S. Rice

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Dec 31, 1994, 9:36:12 PM12/31/94
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Even more timely re-release...


Rob S. Rice
rr...@ccat.sas.upenn.edu

Otaraiid

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Dec 31, 1994, 11:09:00 PM12/31/94
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Voices, huh? What about snake voices? Hissing isnt ( at least in my
interpretation) always a HISSSSSSS! Know what I mean? SOmetimes my
borneo blood says "I love YOu " with a sweet little hissssssssss, like a
lover blowing in your ear.....

Tracy
It is not up to you what you learn, only wether you learn through joy or
through pain.

chris morland

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Dec 31, 1994, 10:50:45 PM12/31/94
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also too, there was the re-up bird; they would squak at eachother all
night long!

chris :)

Chester

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Jan 1, 1995, 9:32:02 PM1/1/95
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har...@ping.com (Karl Harden) writes:

>Thanks
>K

Hi...these can only be Tokay geckos...come to think of it, it does sound
like they're saying "Fuck you", not "Tokay"...We heard lots of them and saw
one of them while honeymooning in Indonesia and Thailand. There are enough
of them around, but I wouldn't call them a good beginner pet. They're
certainly capable of delivering a nasty bite! In Southeast Asia, there is a
tradition of betting on the number of times the gecko will shout "tokay" (or
"Fuck you") in one go.

Of course, if I'm totally wrong about tokays being fuck yous, plese forgive
me!

Missus Rave

Stephen J. Hart

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Jan 2, 1995, 1:30:27 AM1/2/95
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> har...@ping.com (Karl Harden) writes:
>
> >Everybody I know that served in Vietnam has asked me about "Fuck You"
> >lizards. All I have been able to determine is it is some kind of gecko
> >that sounds like it says fuck you. I have heard of people importing them
> >from Asia, but nobody seems to know the species. Anybody out there know.
> >Species? Availability? Special needs? any info would be greatly
> >appreciated.

Well, I don't know about lizards which swear, but my grillfiend did
once encounter a little critter (species unknown) in Arizona which she
insists saw her, said "Uh Oh", and ran away.(I'm from England and that
was the first time I saw a Native American too. I pointed at the lizard
with my mouth open and the Indian said clearly, as to a moron, "
Liz-ard. Liz-ard." So now I know the Indian name for Uh-Oh lizards, if
you ever need to know-- the girlfriend.)

Stephen J Hart

Rolf Kallenback

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Jan 2, 1995, 10:51:36 AM1/2/95
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As far as I've read, the Tokay is sopused to say "GEK-HO, GEK-HO", or "TO-KAY, TO-KAY", or "TOO-KEE, TOO-KEE". But after consulting Rambo, Igor and Epsilon (who are fullygrown Tokay males) We agreed that the sound sounds more like a combination of a barking dog and a very old door being shut.
The sound begins with a laughing-duck sound to crack out into the TO-KAY-sound (or the GEK-HO-sound) and ending with the giggeling-duck sound.
The fuck-you lizard could be a tokay, but there are many lizards in the same area who are simular to the tokay (size, vocalization), for example "Gecko smithii", the green-eyed gecko.

/Rolf


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Oblivious Allan

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Jan 5, 1995, 12:16:06 AM1/5/95
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wha...@primus.COM (....What Is?....) writes:

Well my Iguana barked for awhile too. But then I cleaned up my room and got
an ionizer. I think that our Iguanas were just coughing. Oh another thing,
keep the air clear of impurities. I heard that iguanas are very rpone to lung
cancer.

Jeff Hauser

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Jan 5, 1995, 9:50:21 AM1/5/95
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In article <3efvam$9...@pegasus.rutgers.edu>, ba...@pegasus.rutgers.edu (Oblivious Allan) writes:
|> Well my Iguana barked for awhile too. But then I cleaned up my room and got
|> an ionizer. I think that our Iguanas were just coughing. Oh another thing,
|> keep the air clear of impurities. I heard that iguanas are very rpone to lung
|> cancer.
Uhhhh, perhaps my ig needs to give up smoking???? :-)
--

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not by the amount of work we eliminate.
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David Ben-Jamin

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Jan 6, 1995, 12:02:54 PM1/6/95
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Well, I haven't seen this posted for a while, so what the heck:

The Rime of the Barking Iguana
By Rob S. Rice


She stood there in the iron dock, facing the shrouded men
Who dared her, in the name of truth, to speak those words again.
Torturers stoked their branding irons until their forges sparked,
And yet again, she spoke those words:
"Yes, my iguana barked!"

Again, the gasp came from the crowd, again, the blazes roared.
Again, she'd dared to speak those words the orthodox abhorred.
Iguanas wearing neckties, sure, they'd seen a lot around,

But no member of rec.pets.herp had heard one make a sound!

A kindly priest rose up, and turned, and faced the Inquisition:
"Fathers, in the name of Net, let her change her position!"

He turned "Come now, confess, my dear," he said "Before the Flamers come"


"We've met some smart iguanas, true, but every one's been dumb."

She bent her eyes down to the ground, but then she looked up, grim:

"Cyril has barked 'most every time I'm late in feeding him.


"He barks when I'm playing Pink Floyd, and climbs up on my clock,

"And bobs his head and hisses when I'm playing Acid Bach."

"Enough!" screamed the Inquisitors, "Consign her to the flames!"
"No reptile has vocal cords, besides, who likes smart dames?
And several threw books at her, but were so peeved they missed,
The frog-lovers joined in with croaks, while the snake-lovers hissed.

And then, from way back in the room, they heard a high-pitched yap.
It struck the clustered mob just like a sudden thunderclap.
The ranks of heads all turned as one, their necks all seemed to break,
Indeed, a reptile HAD barked, but this one was a snake!

A lordly burmese python there sat coiled on the floor.

We're talking heavy-duty snake--fifteen feet or more!


And in the silence of the room, with tension cut so fine,
They heard that muffled bark again, soon followed by a whine!

"A miracle!" the lookers roared, "Release her from the stocks!'
They bore her from the courtroom, where they'd all endured such shocks
And only one was left to muse in that ecstatic fog:
"I've heard a reptile talk at last! Has someone seen my dog?"


--
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"Bad grammar is something up with which we will not put."
-- W. Churchhill

j.ga...@gmail.com

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the species is called the Tokay Gecko, they are a nocturnal arboreal that populate se asia,nepal,bhutan,phillipines,indoneia, new guinea, pacific ilands, etc They are a tropical amphibian and the fuck you noise is a male mating call

j.ga...@gmail.com

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On Tuesday, December 27, 1994 at 6:36:37 PM UTC-5, Karl Harden wrote:
> Everybody I know that served in Vietnam has asked me about "Fuck You"
> lizards. All I have been able to determine is it is some kind of gecko
> that sounds like it says fuck you. I have heard of people importing them
> from Asia, but nobody seems to know the species. Anybody out there know.
> Species? Availability? Special needs? any info would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> K
i first encountered them in Thailand, they habitate se asia, phillipines, indonesia, bhutan, nepal, new guinea and numerous pacific isands They are called Tokay Geckos, a small to mid size nocturnal arbreal reptile that makes a variety of clicking sounds and the fuck you sound is actually the males version of a mating call, hell ive even heard them down in florida recently as they have now been imported to the US for many years
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