DRAGON COLOR ?????
mrdr...@webtv.net
I see bearded dragons all the time advertised as red or gold or the
sandfire dragons . but as babys i never really seen them in a red msybe
a reddish tint and the same for adults the only red one i ever seen was
the advertisement for the sandfire dragons and i only seen a picture of
that in reptiles magazine so whats so great about them.............
William Porto
He brings up a good point for a novice such as myself.
I'm in the process of setting up my tanks for a bearded dragon. I've
purchased most things already minus the most important one - the dragon
itself. Outside of the nice pics at http://www.reptilian.com/ I haven't seen
anywhere on the net a set of side-by-side photos showing each different phase.
From what I see, a red phase isn't exactly red, but rather has reddish
markings on it's beard. Am I right??
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LG
On Wed, 04 Jun 1997 22:44:24 GMT, por...@pobox.com (William Porto)
wrote:
>In article <5n4g47$l3g$1...@newsd-1.alma.webtv.net>, mrdr...@webtv.net wrote:
>>I see bearded dragons all the time advertised as red or gold or the
>>sandfire dragons . but as babys i never really seen them in a red msybe
>>a reddish tint and the same for adults the only red one i ever seen was
>>the advertisement for the sandfire dragons and i only seen a picture of
>>that in reptiles magazine so whats so great about them.............
>
>He brings up a good point for a novice such as myself.
>
>I'm in the process of setting up my tanks for a bearded dragon. I've
>purchased most things already minus the most important one - the dragon
>itself. Outside of the nice pics at http://www.reptilian.com/ I haven't seen
>anywhere on the net a set of side-by-side photos showing each different phase.
Vosjoli's book on bearded dragons has some pics of red phase and
red/iris phase and prolly gold phase. His book is pretty darn handy
if you have or will have a bearded dragon. Pretty much everything is
covered in there, including bearded dragon diseases and ailments,
diet, breeding, temperment, breeding and socialing behavior, setups,
what other kinds of lizards that can be put in with the beardeds,
etc... Considering the cost of all the other accesories, such as
vitamin powders, calcium powders, special heat lamps, etc... $6 or so
for the book isn't so bad. I bought it and I don't even have a
bearded dragon :)
Rod Mitchell
por...@pobox.com (William Porto) wrote:
Þ I'm in the process of setting up my tanks for a bearded dragon. I've
Þ purchased most things already minus the most important one - the dragon
Þ itself. Outside of the nice pics at http://www.reptilian.com/ I haven't seen
Þ anywhere on the net a set of side-by-side photos showing each different phase.
Þ
Þ From what I see, a red phase isn't exactly red, but rather has reddish
Þ markings on it's beard. Am I right??
Ok, here is the deal with the color phases of Beardie to the best of
my understanding....
There are actually TWO main color variations of the Bearded Dragon (P.
vitticeps) They being the normal phase (dirt brown) and the Red Phase
(with varing amounts of red throughout its body)
Now then everybody is wondering where the heck all of the other colors
came from....They are what you might want to call 'designer' color
variations or phases. The most prominent color variation is the Gold
or the Yellow phase. This supposidely spurred off of the red phase.
I have yet to figure that out, but it has. I believe that it came
from the red phase by selective breeding of red phase animals that
have more yellow in them. When we first ordered our Pure Reds from
Bob Mallioux a few years back, we ordered 'Red' phase and most of the
ones that we got had much more gold than red. Infact a couple of them
came out sooo Gold that they are probably the brightest gold we have
yet to find (as some ppl have seen on our site, or at shows we have
attended) So what do we call these animals if they were ordered as
Red phase, that came from red*ish* colored parents, but are bright
gold and produce bright gold animals(some still have a little red on
them) Infact a avid reader and poster on RPH has a 3/4 gold that came
from our best male. She can tell you that her animal has some red on
it (atleast it did before we sent it) and hers cam from totally gold
animals. ((Sis-C??)) So we have ventured to call animals that we
bought from Bob a few years ago that were bought as Red*ish* Colored
Red Phase...Pure Gold Phase...
So now on to the other designer colors...There are really only two
other color variations that I honestly believe in. Those two are the
(Normal phase X Pure Red Phase) and the (Normal Phase X Pure Gold
Phase) Really the mixture lables are given by knowing the genetics of
the parents, (and this gets a little confusing). For example, say you
have a Normal Phase adult and a Gold Phase adult. There offspring
would be 1/2 Gold phase. Now say you take a 1/2 Gold adult and a 1/2
Gold adult and there offspring would be again, 1/2 gold phase, Not
Full golds, this is not math remember *smile*....
So where do the other colors that were featured in the magazine? They
are simply 1/2 reds or 1/2 golds that have been mixed in such a way
that they have varying hughes to them. I look at what people were
trying to find for some time called the pastel phase. I personally
belive that this is just a Red X Gold dragon that is just had a
special lense put on them to make them look like that. Oh that also
raises a funny point, has anyone seen plants that GREEN before?? (can
you tell the dragons pix have been majorly color enhanced??) lol....
Anyhow, I hope this makes a little more sense to ya. If not e-mail me
and I will help as much as possible....
Oh, also One of the three 'Gold' dragons that I have featured at my
site is not a Gold phase it is rather a Red X Gold animal. Just that
it sometimes looks more gold and other times it looks more red.....
Rod Mitchell
In Normal Illinois!!!
Sir...@reptilian.com
http://www.reptilian.com/
Sister Cynthia, Dragon Keeper
> por...@pobox.com (William Porto) wrote:
=09[SNIP!]
> =DE From what I see, a red phase isn't exactly red, but rather has redd=
ish=20
> =DE markings on it's beard. Am I right??
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> Rod Mitchell (sir...@reptilian.com) wrote:
=09[snip!]
> them) Infact a avid reader and poster on RPH has a 3/4 gold that came
> from our best male. She can tell you that her animal has some red on
> it (atleast it did before we sent it) and hers cam from totally gold
Did I hear someone call my name? ;) Yes, I bought my Daphne from Rod. She=
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had and still has some reddish/orange spots on her back. She is also a=20
sweety, but that is outside the discussion. ;)
Before anyone goes "just on her back?" let me assure you that she does=20
NOT look like a normal with some orangey red in weird places. She lacks=20
the mud brown often seen in normals [I have 2 normal males (brothers)]. =20
She is predominantly white and grey, with the red/orange as a highlight=20
on her back. Now, I am half expecting to see the amount of red on her=20
increase as she ages, particularly in the next several months. I could=20
be "hoping in vain" [not like I won't love her if she stays the same],=20
but experience with my boys has taught me that color can stay hidden=20
till the dragon is mature. From what I've heard on the Net, my story=20
isn't uncommon: Magellan, my oldest male, is a NORMAL...at almost one year=
=20
of age, he suddenly started showing some WONDERFUL orange on his head=20
and splashes along his sides. He looks MUCH more colorful now. Daphne is=
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only 9-10 months old right now. Therefore, I am hoping for increaased=20
color in her, too. Time will tell. Perhaps breeders of Reds and Golds=20
and such might have some better insights into the variation of color with=
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age.
As far as "what the big deal is" with colors, it all comes down to what=20
you want. Kinda like wondering if Black Labrador [sp?] Retrievers are=20
better than Gold Labs. Duh. Lived with both, loved both, probably would=
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get whatever I came across with a neat personality. Neither is better=20
than the other. Just a diff. color. ;)
My experience. You may take it for what it is worth. :)
Cynthia,
for Magellan, Daphne, and Lazarus
Insculpta
What are the genetics behind the red dragons, does anyone know? My one
pair of beardies often have hatchling with a fair amount of red on them.
One of those hatchlings (the only one I see, sold the rest) has be
retaining the red on its head and back for its whole life. However it
still has the same background color a normal would have. Also I have yet
to get into the colored dragons because I rarely see ones that I think are
acctually what people claim they are. Any comments would be appreciated!
Thanks
Jason
Someone said in a different beardie post that for under $35 dollars you do
not get well established dragons. He might be right for the most part,
but I know I sell mine for $25 and hold them at least three weeks. Just
trying to support the hobby, not make my million.
William Porto
In article <33963949...@news.gwu.edu>, leopar...@usa.net (LG) wrote:
>Vosjoli's book on bearded dragons has some pics of red phase and
I placed an order with WWW.Amazon.COM for this book and just recently recieved
an email stating:
>
>We have contacted the publisher by phone, and are sorry to report
>that the following title is in fact NOT AVAILABLE at this time:
>
> Philippe De Vosjoli, Philipe De Vosjoli "The General
> Care and Maintenace of Bearded Dragons"
Anyone know where I can get a copy?
RSC Geology
Rod Mitchell wrote:
(snip)
> So where do the other colors that were featured in the magazine? They
> are simply 1/2 reds or 1/2 golds that have been mixed in such a way
> that they have varying hughes to them. I look at what people were
> trying to find for some time called the pastel phase. I personally
> belive that this is just a Red X Gold dragon that is just had a
> special lense put on them to make them look like that. Oh that also
> raises a funny point, has anyone seen plants that GREEN before?? (can
> you tell the dragons pix have been majorly color enhanced??) lol....
>
Nope. Rod is quite wrong again. While I'm sure the color was
optimized in the ads (and the Vivarium article) they don't look much
different in real life. Bob Mailloux has brought animals to the San
Diego Herp Society and I've seen them with my own eyes.
Another case of Rod slandering his competitors.
As far as Rod goes, I actually feel silly for misjuging him. I've
gotten some e-mail since I commented about his attack on Wayne Hill.
I also went to his web page and saw that he had posted some personal
information. If anybody else has any doubts about Rod I suggest that
you got to his page and check the information out for yourself.
http://www.reptilian.com/
In the past I had called Rod a "small time breeder with an attitude".
According to his page he has 2.3.2 leopard geckos and 1.2.2. Adult
bearded dragons. Wow! that's FIVE whole adult beardies. And not
only that, Rod has managed to sex 3 out of the 5 adult beardies! (I
have no idea if he has figured out what morph his gecko's are yet)
In the past I had assumed that most people who asked him questions
about breeding were getting valid answers. According to his own page
Rod DOES NOT BREED MOST OF THE ANIMALS HE SELLS. (Aparently though at
least one of the people who do breed the animals at least lets Rod
take care of them when the breeder goes on vacation).
I had doubts about Rod's level of experience. From his resume I learn
that Rod is a JUNIOR IN COLLEGE. Now, I've got nothing against young
folks but what the hell is a punk college kid doing attacking people
like Bob Mailloux, Pete Weis, and Wayne Hill?
Maybe everybody else on RPH already realized that Rod is just an
immature college student with emotional problems. I didn't.
Silly me.
Phil Hughes
Rod Mitchell
Philly 'ol boy,
You crack me up. You keep trying to be an ass but you just keep
sounding like one more than anything. That is your problem not mine.
As for me being a Junior in College, why yes, I am. Infact I am a
Junior in College that is getting ready to start a $65,000 job even
before I hit my Senior Year in School!! (I cannot wait to see what
kinds of neat animals I can support with that <g>)
So listen I could care less about your crap and such, it simply does
not bother me. So carry on Philly, your just waisting your breath.
And this is the last time you are going to waiste my time.....Your
name has just been killfiled from my news and mail server.....
Rod Mitchell
RSC Geology <hug...@mail.rancho.cc.ca.us> wrote:
Þ Nope. Rod is quite wrong again. While I'm sure the color was
Þ optimized in the ads (and the Vivarium article) they don't look much
Þ different in real life. Bob Mailloux has brought animals to the San
Þ Diego Herp Society and I've seen them with my own eyes.
Hmmmm, then why EVER would he have color enhanced those photos??
Especially if they already look that color. If these animals really
looked that way then those pix would not actually be color enhanced,
now would they? Guess that you are just lying again Philly (stevie)
hughes.....
Þ Rod has managed to sex 3 out of the 5 adult beardies! (I
Þ have no idea if he has figured out what morph his gecko's are yet)
Man Phil this just goes to show how stupid you really are. And also
goes to show that you have no clue what the deal is with Beardies or
Leopards now do you? I guess you still think that you can sex a
beardie by just looking at the base of the tail or the size of the
head. I do not say anything for sure about beardies until it is
proven by either laying eggs or by fertilizing a female. But that
must be a little above your head philly.....
Þ In the past I had assumed that most people who asked him questions
Þ about breeding were getting valid answers. According to his own page
Þ Rod DOES NOT BREED MOST OF THE ANIMALS HE SELLS.
And your point?? I am still extremely knowledgable about the animals
I deal with. Definitely more so than you can comprehend....(that is
not saying much)....
Þ (Aparently though at
Þ least one of the people who do breed the animals at least lets Rod
Þ take care of them when the breeder goes on vacation).
And I work with them not only then but on a constant basis. Just that
I have the whole show trusted to myself when he leaves. When I am
helping I am doing routing stuff that needs a little more knowledge to
do than just cleaning cages. LIke sexing Adult Arguses or Retieving
Clutches of eggs from Adult Albino Labyrinth Burms and doing surgery
on injured animals.....But hey, that is besides the point.....
Þ I had doubts about Rod's level of experience. From his resume I learn
Þ that Rod is a JUNIOR IN COLLEGE.
Yup, and even though I am a college student does not mean a darn thing
now does it? So your point is?? Oh, I see, you think that just
because you must be some old wise know it all, that anyone that is
younger than you is no where near as intelligent?? I guess that shows
your level of intelligence now doesn't it??
Þ Now, I've got nothing against young
Þ folks but what the hell is a punk college kid doing attacking people
Þ like Bob Mailloux, Pete Weis, and Wayne Hill?
A punk kid in college? So that must make you a crusty old fart then
hugh philly?? Cheer up phil!! You act like you have a lot of
problems in your life, and feel that attacking me is going to help?
Guess what, it just humors me to see someone make such an ass of
themselves as you do.....
As far as attacking people, well I do so with just cause. I have
never attacked Bob Mallioux. I just do not believe that his animals
are that big of a deal. I have seen many other breeders have just of
good of animals and do not have to sell them by putting an article
with color enhanced photos in it to make there animals look better
than what they really are.....
As far as attacking Pete, I have not done such a thing, but I will
tell you I had a lady recently buy two of our best gold phase at 6
weeks and two of Petes best gold phase. This lady is evidently a
friend of Petes so she was more than happy to tell Pete what our
animals were like. Guess what, ours were twice as big and tons
brighter in coloration!! So hey, let the animals that we sell speak
for themselves.....
Finally for Wayne... I just do not believe that the money that is made
from the Orlando show is going to anything but profit. I must be the
only one here on RPH that sees it this way, but there are other shows
that do put some of the shows profit to Buying rainforest and Funding
research for IBD (Inclusion Body Disease). So why cannot the High and
Mighty Show of them all do such a noble thing?? Wayne says that he
donates the money to the CFHS but there is no record of this. He does
not make it clear that any of the profits are going to a just cause.
(atleast until now, supposidely) So I am just saying that it is sad
to see such a wonderful show not be anything but about making money
for individuals. It would be nice to see those profits go to a cause
that all Herpers (Herpetoculturists and Herpetologists) would
appreciate. That is why I made it sound like I did......
Þ Maybe everybody else on RPH already realized that Rod is just an
Þ immature college student with emotional problems. I didn't.
Þ Silly me.
hahahaha, man your antics never stop! Emotional problems? How and
why would I have emotional problems? If you ask me it sounds as if
you do. Your are the one constantly doing the flaming here. Please
take your crap elsewhere, no one really here cares.....
Please philly, since no one else has told you the very important
saying, If you do not have anything nice to say, do not say anything.
I may not always go by that, but I do so much more than you do!!!
elizabeth west
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
> Philly 'ol boy,
> As for me being a Junior in College, why yes, I am. Infact I am a
> Junior in College that is getting ready to start a $65,000 job even
> before I hit my Senior Year in School!! (I cannot wait to see what
> kinds of neat animals I can support with that <g>)
Good, so how much of that $65,000 is going to be spent on buying
rainforests and funding IBD research instead of supporting really neat
animals? Really, I want to know.
Elizabeth
elizabeth west
Rod Mitchell wrote:
> Man Phil this just goes to show how stupid you really are. And also
> goes to show that you have no clue what the deal is with Beardies or
> Leopards now do you? I guess you still think that you can sex a
> beardie by just looking at the base of the tail or the size of the
> head. I do not say anything for sure about beardies until it is
> proven by either laying eggs or by fertilizing a female. But that
> must be a little above your head philly.....
So are you a male or female? Have you laid any eggs or fertilized any
females? From all outward appearances you should be male, but I'm
having a hard time determining that.....
> And your point?? I am still extremely knowledgable about the animals
> I deal with. Definitely more so than you can comprehend....(that is
> not saying much)....
Maybe you are extremely knowledgable, but that doesn't mean that you
know everything, and that everyone else is wrong.
> And I work with them not only then but on a constant basis. Just that
> I have the whole show trusted to myself when he leaves. When I am
> helping I am doing routing stuff that needs a little more knowledge to
> do than just cleaning cages. LIke sexing Adult Arguses or Retieving
> Clutches of eggs from Adult Albino Labyrinth Burms and doing surgery
> on injured animals.....But hey, that is besides the point.....
Exactly, besides the point. Just because this person trusts you doesn't
really mean anything to the rest of us. Oh, lookie at me, so and so
trusts me to take care of his animals. So what.
>
> Yup, and even though I am a college student does not mean a darn thing
> now does it? So your point is?? Oh, I see, you think that just
> because you must be some old wise know it all, that anyone that is
> younger than you is no where near as intelligent?? I guess that shows
> your level of intelligence now doesn't it??
Well, the fact that you are in college means two things: That you or
your parents had enough money to send you or that you had the desire to
go and passed your SAT or ACT with a sufficient score. Intelligence has
nothing to do with actually being in college. I know lots of people who
have graduated from college and are quite stupid. Intelligence has
little to do with knowledge and experience, they are two seperate things
and it your knowledge, not intelligence that was being questioned. Hey,
maybe you are a genius, but just because you are in college does not
prove this. Just because you have knowledge about the animals that you
are dealing with doesn't mean you know everything.
> As far as attacking people, well I do so with just cause.
Like feeling insecure? Or maybe it's just a big ego.
> Finally for Wayne... I just do not believe that the money that is made
> from the Orlando show is going to anything but profit.
And so what if it is? You were bragging about your $68,000 salary
before you even graduate from college and all the cool herps that you
could support with that money. Why don't you just live in a shack, with
no power or electricity and give all of your money away to good causes.
Or is it Ok for you to make money from your job, but not Wayne? He is
supposed to have some moral obligation to do what he does for free,
while you make money?
> I must be the
> only one here on RPH that sees it this way, but there are other shows
> that do put some of the shows profit to Buying rainforest and Funding
> research for IBD (Inclusion Body Disease). So why cannot the High and
> Mighty Show of them all do such a noble thing?? Wayne says that he
> donates the money to the CFHS but there is no record of this. He does
> not make it clear that any of the profits are going to a just cause.
> (atleast until now, supposidely) So I am just saying that it is sad
> to see such a wonderful show not be anything but about making money
> for individuals.
Individuals who have done a lot for the hobby and herp legislation.
Most of the vendors attending are in the long run helping wild
populations of animals remain in the wild through captive breeding
programs. Although the general public is still more likely to purchase
a WC animal because it is cheaper, the hard-core herper is definitely
more likely to pay a little extra because we know the time and energy
and money that go into producing captive bred animals. Individuals
should be compensated. The people that put on this show should make
some money, as well as the vendors attending.
> It would be nice to see those profits go to a cause
> that all Herpers (Herpetoculturists and Herpetologists) would
> appreciate. That is why I made it sound like I did......
Yes, it would be nice. But it isn't necessary or even an obligation of
Wayne to do this. There are a lot of things that go into planning a
show of that size that most of us are probably unaware. We just look at
the net ammount of money taken in from renting the tables, and the money
from the door. It is a lot of money coming in. But the expenses are
equally as large going out the other end. Like Phil said in the other
post, if you arn't happy with the way things are done, then you can
start your own show. After you have done that, on the same scale as
Wayne Hill, then you can check back with us and let us know how much
money you donated to worthy causes.
> Please philly, since no one else has told you the very important
> saying, If you do not have anything nice to say, do not say anything.
Oh please.
Elizabeth
Bassett Porter
Somebody is right somebody is wrong , every body has there own thougts
on every thing from the color of the dragons to the size the care the
breeding etc. we all learn from experience.
Bill.........Rochester NY temp 75 degrees.
http://members.tripod.com/~DRAGONMAX/DRAGONMAX
http://members.tripod.com/~DRAGONMAX/index.html2
Sister Cynthia, Dragon Keeper
> =DE Nope. Rod is quite wrong again. While I'm sure the color was=20
> =DE optimized in the ads (and the Vivarium article) they don't look muc=
h=20
> =DE different in real life. Bob Mailloux has brought animals to the Sa=
n=20
> =DE Diego Herp Society and I've seen them with my own eyes.
>=20
> Hmmmm, then why EVER would he have color enhanced those photos??
As an artist and someone who's spent time around graphics folks, let me=20
add one thought on this. Bob is ADVERTISING!!!! In that game, you aim to=
=20
present your wares in the best possible light. You set up the photos,=20
have a pro shoot, and you make sure the result is as nice as it can be=20
while presenting what you are selling. You do it in a such a way that folk=
s=20
don't walk off going "dang, it didn't LOOK like this in the ad!" or word=20
will get out you are a liar. But you don't just take ANY ol' shot and=20
tack it onto some text. People would think you were some chump. It's IMAG=
E.
As far as the implications of "lying" in the advertisements, let me add tha=
t
there is a difference between tweeking a pic to enhance the colors aready=
=20
there and adding colors not present. Anyone recall the "Blue Ball=20
Python" someone had on his homepage a few months ago? THAT is lying. Ball=
=20
Pythons are no where near blue. He was joking, which is fine. Were he=20
trying to actually sell such an animal, he would have been a cheat. I have=
=20
never personally seen any Sandfires, but a few friends have, and they all=
=20
agree the dragons ARE that color. Therefore, any touch-ups must be=20
"tweeking." Tweeking is what you see in any ad you come across on TV or=20
print. If you can accept touch-ups for a Whopper Ad for Burger King, or=20
the latest Sports Car [tell me the colors aren't touched up in THOSE] or=20
Uma Thurman, why can't a dragon advertiser make his ads nice and crisp,=20
too? Something to think about, gang.
> head. I do not say anything for sure about beardies until it is
> proven by either laying eggs or by fertilizing a female.=20
Hmmm. I know you make guesses, since you sold me one you [and I] am=20
certain is female who was clearly a juvie when I got her. Some dragons=20
may be hard to sex [one male I couldn't figure out till I got my female=20
from you and could compare], but others are pretty clear cut, the older the=
y=20
get [my other male is an example of that].
> Yup, and even though I am a college student does not mean a darn thing
> now does it? So your point is?? =20
I think the point would be, you aren't as long in the world and the=20
BUSINESS as some other folks are, no matter how much you know how to=20
advertise or how much you post. If I were in your shoes, the same would be=
=20
said, quite accurately, of me. Unless we got in on herps and dragons in=20
particular while very young [say, started in jr high, high school], we=20
aren't probably gonna know what the "old timers" who've been at this for=20
10-20 years know. We obviously will know more than the 60 year old who=20
decided yesterday to finally buy a reptile, but only cuz we've been at it=
=20
longer. Obviously, you know things I don't, since you've been around more=
=20
dragons than I have, and for a longer time. Therefore, I listen to what =
=20
you have to say. Do I think you know it ALL? No. Do I believe=20
everyhing you say? No. You are not God. Only He gets that kind of=20
respect from me. Same goes for every other person I have met, learned=20
from, and respect on the net. Advice is to be taken as such. =20
> hahahaha, man your antics never stop! Emotional problems? How and
> why would I have emotional problems? If you ask me it sounds as if
> you do. Your are the one constantly doing the flaming here. Please
> take your crap elsewhere, no one really here cares.....
Rod, I like you, and for taking the extra time to help me with the Survey=
=20
by getting the data on the dragons, I am very grateful. HOWEVER, _you_=20
do a lot of stuff that is inflamitory, it isn't just Phil being bad. I hav=
e=20
seen you bash competitors on RPH who were "minding their own business"=20
advertising, and then in the same post boast about your animals and your=20
prices. That is tacky. Blasting Wayne Hill out of the blue, without=20
getting the numbers or trying to talk to him first was also in poor=20
judgement and inflamitory, as many people told you. I know nothing of=20
Mr. Hill. Maybe you are right and he is a bad guy. I don't know. But=20
your initial post was out of line. You should have gotten some figures=20
first, at the very least, so you didn't look like a dingdong attacking=20
someone in a position of authority, which is what happened, in case you=20
missed the thread that followed your post.
As far as Phil goes, he can [and probably will] stand up for himself just=
=20
fine. As his friend, I would like to say a few things I have noticed. =20
He RARELY posts "flames," except perhaps when dealing with you. What can I=
=20
say, you bring out his Dark Side. ;) He typically posts intellegent,=20
thought out responces to questions, and won't refuse to admit when he is=20
in over his head. Probably a reason why I like him. As near as I can=20
tell, he doesn't have any emotional problems. That, or he is one=20
heck of a thespian!!! ;) [which is it, Phil? ;) ]
> Please philly, since no one else has told you the very important
> saying, If you do not have anything nice to say, do not say anything.
>=20
> I may not always go by that, but I do so much more than you do!!!
*pause* =20
Guess I will take your reminder, Rod, and end this post.
Cynthia=20
clownSter
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
> As for me being a Junior in College, why yes, I am. Infact I am a
> Junior in College that is getting ready to start a $65,000 job even
> before I hit my Senior Year in School!!
And you can too. Next time you get see a message that says "MAKE MONEY
FAST" just send $5........
Brian Bingham
<HTML><BODY>
I have corresponded w/ Rod and was informed that the stock he has (P.v's)
are originally from some of Bob's stock! As for the pastels; I personally
hand picked one from Bob's stock which I readilly identified
<BR>as "unusually" colored from across the greenhouse! I find it hard
to believe the degree of pessimisim
<BR>that exists in the herp industry. Bob is a man who is truly motivated
by his passion for the field and animals he works with and will readily
accept the limmitations of our <B>collective</B> knowledge re: the
<BR>nature of coloration in this species; some has been substantiated as genetically
fixed, while we agree
<BR>other factors exists in the coloration equation. If any of you are
interested in exploring the issue of
<BR>diet, lighting, photobiology, or chemical influence in this issue please
respond directly to me
<BR>
<BR>
Brian Bingham
</BODY>
</HTML>
jessem
Brian Bingham wrote:
>
> I have corresponded w/ Rod and was informed that the stock he has
> I personally hand picked one from Bob's stock which I readilly
> identified
> believe the degree of pessimisim
> by his passion for the field and animals he works with and will
> nature of coloration in this species; some has been substantiated as
> genetically fixed, while we agree
> interested in exploring the issue of
> please respond directly to me
>
>
Why is your text another font than others?
I even see a bolded word. How do you do that?
Thanx, Jesse
RSC Geology
Yeah, I should let this drop because my points have been made but
sometimes "the Dark side" gets me. 8-)
(BTW, my mood here is amused rather than angry)
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
> RSC Geology <hug...@mail.rancho.cc.ca.us> wrote:
>
> Þ Nope. Rod is quite wrong again. While I'm sure the color was
> Þ optimized in the ads (and the Vivarium article) they don't look much
> Þ different in real life. Bob Mailloux has brought animals to the San
> Þ Diego Herp Society and I've seen them with my own eyes.
>
> Hmmmm, then why EVER would he have color enhanced those photos??
> Especially if they already look that color. If these animals really
> looked that way then those pix would not actually be color enhanced,
> now would they? Guess that you are just lying again Philly (stevie)
> hughes.....
Rod's reasoning here is hard to follow. The pictures are not color
enhanced in any meaningful way (I'm not enough of a photography expert
to say they have not been "tweeked"). I said before "they don't look
much different in real life and I've seen them with my own eyes" and
that's what I meant. The photo's in the Vivarium are acurate
representations of the real animals.
I guess Rod is just saying that I lied as far as seeing the animals?
I KNOW others on RPH have seen them too.
What's with the "Philly" thing? Someone named "Rod" wants to play
elementry school name games? We could be here all day with that one!
BTW- the "stevie" thing is from another newsgroup. I guess Rod is
showing that he can use DejaNews. Wow.
>
> Þ Rod has managed to sex 3 out of the 5 adult beardies! (I
> Þ have no idea if he has figured out what morph his gecko's are yet)
>
> Man Phil this just goes to show how stupid you really are. And also
> goes to show that you have no clue what the deal is with Beardies or
> Leopards now do you?
No, how exactly does this show anything about me? According to Rod's
page (as of 6/7/97) his list said that he had 1:2:2 Adult Inland
Bearded Dragons. According to standard terminology that's one male,
two females, and 2 unsexed. That does add up to 5. And the one male
and two females does add up to three that Rod had figured out the sex
of.
The deal with the leopard geckos is that I'm still laughing at his
post where he wanted to know what the various gecko morphs looked like
because he was afraid that he was selling $100 geckos for $25.
>I guess you still think that you can sex a
> beardie by just looking at the base of the tail or the size of the
> head.
The femoral pores help too. Check any book or article for more
information. I'm sure you can learn this if you try.
>I do not say anything for sure about beardies until it is
> proven by either laying eggs or by fertilizing a female. But that
> must be a little above your head philly.....
>
Then how come in this thread Sister Cynthia says that you sold her a
dragon as a female? Are you calling Sister C. a liar?
> Þ In the past I had assumed that most people who asked him questions
> Þ about breeding were getting valid answers. According to his own page
> Þ Rod DOES NOT BREED MOST OF THE ANIMALS HE SELLS.
>
> And your point??
Well it does make a difference given some of your "goofball" answers
to questions.
People should know when you say things like "beardies don't need UV
light" or "footlong beardies will get eaten by cagemates" or when you
rant about some morph not really exixting, that those statements are
NOT coming from an established breeder but from a highly opinionated
college student with limited experience.
> Þ I had doubts about Rod's level of experience. From his resume I learn
> Þ that Rod is a JUNIOR IN COLLEGE.
>
> Yup, and even though I am a college student does not mean a darn thing
> now does it? So your point is??
It means that many folks on RPH had been assuming that you were older
and more experienced than you really are. Again it is good to know
the truth so that the validity of your answers can be evaluated by the
reader.
Oh, I see, you think that just
> because you must be some old wise know it all, that anyone that is
> younger than you is no where near as intelligent?? I guess that shows
> your level of intelligence now doesn't it??
No a person can be quite knowledgable and young at the same time.
There are folks on RPH in their teens that I have a great deal of
respect for. I think that Rod is clueless (and a jerk) because of the
content of his posts not his age.
Given the attitude that Rod displays, "I know everything and anyone
who disagrees with me is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG". The odds are he will
be unwilling to learn and is likely to be just as clueless when he
gets older as he is now.
IMHO, he does know some stuff and could be an asset to RPH, if he'd
drop the 'tude.
> As far as attacking people, well I do so with just cause.
hmmm.
> I have
> never attacked Bob Mallioux.
Uhh. Saying he faked his photos and that the morphs he sells don't
really exist is not an attack? The stuff you were posting a few
months ago about his animals being inbred was not an attack? You have
a funny way of being friendly.
>
> As far as attacking Pete, I have not done such a thing,
I don't have time at the moment to look in DejaNews, but I could....
> Finally for Wayne... I just do not believe that the money that is made
> from the Orlando show is going to anything but profit. I must be the
> only one here on RPH that sees it this way,
OK. now you are calling Wayne and the others who have posted on this
topic liars too? (I've lost count of how many people you have called
or implied are liars in this post).
In spite of all the posts on this, you are not willing to admit you
are wrong. That's why you don't learn and that's why you are
clueless.
>but there are other shows
> that do put some of the shows profit to Buying rainforest and Funding
> research for IBD (Inclusion Body Disease). So why cannot the High and
> Mighty Show of them all do such a noble thing??
YOU have never answered the question: WHY CANT RODZ WORLD OF REPTILES
DO SUCH A NOBLE THING!!!!
> Wayne says that he
> donates the money to the CFHS but there is no record of this.
So are you now saying he commits fraud in addition to lying? The
lawyers out there are gonna be taking note of this soon.
>
> hahahaha, man your antics never stop! Emotional problems? How and
> why would I have emotional problems?
How could we know why? I could speculate but that might be cruel.
>If you ask me it sounds as if
> you do. Your are the one constantly doing the flaming here.
No, I don't think so, my list is pretty short: Rod, "THE FREE TURTLES
KID", the skinhead with the tegus, and spammers are all that come to
mind at the moment.
While I may disagree with folks like Melissa K. or John Wiley at
times, I have mucho respect for them. By discussing issues I can lean
from them (and share a little info with them). If some of those
discussions are what you call flaming, then you've got a pretty thin
skin.
OK, here's my favorite part.
> Please philly, since no one else has told you the very important
> saying, If you do not have anything nice to say, do not say anything.
>
Is this a feeble plea for mercy?
It is world-class hypocrasy coming from Rod, that's for sure.
Phil Hughes
Rod Mitchell
RSC Geology <hug...@mail.rancho.cc.ca.us> wrote:
:-The pictures are not color
:-enhanced in any meaningful way (I'm not enough of a photography expert
:-to say they have not been "tweeked"). I said before "they don't look
:-much different in real life and I've seen them with my own eyes" and
:-that's what I meant.
Ok then if they really look that way then two
things:
1. Why are those SO bright green?? Guess that
those must be some special breed of plant that
glows that brightly.
2. Since they are that color then why have the
pictures been made to enhance there color. And
you cannot say that those pix do not look
'enhanced' for the look at the color of the
surrounding objects, most of all the plants! So
they must have had something done to get the
colors to look brighter. So that must mean that
these animals do not look that way. Otherwise the
plants would not be so bright green. I am not the
only one that thinks the plants are that bright
green either. I have had people call and say
something about the color of the plants and the
yellow flowers. hmmm. I dunno, it just looks
funny to me.....
:-> Þ Rod has managed to sex 3 out of the 5 adult beardies! (I
:-> Þ have no idea if he has figured out what morph his gecko's are yet)
This just goes to show you how little you know
Phil....What you think that you can just look at
em and tell the sex. There is no one on earth
that will tell you that they can sex a beardie
with any ease. It takes a lot of understanding of
them. And that does not always mean that you can
sex them easily.
:> Man Phil this just goes to show how stupid you really are. And also
:-> goes to show that you have no clue what the deal is with Beardies or
:-> Leopards now do you?
:-
:-No, how exactly does this show anything about me? According to Rod's
:-page (as of 6/7/97) his list said that he had 1:2:2 Adult Inland
:-Bearded Dragons. According to standard terminology that's one male,
:-two females, and 2 unsexed. That does add up to 5. And the one male
:-and two females does add up to three that Rod had figured out the sex
:-of.
:-The deal with the leopard geckos is that I'm still laughing at his
:-post where he wanted to know what the various gecko morphs looked like
:-because he was afraid that he was selling $100 geckos for $25.
My point was that there are so many versions of
what people think about the pattern morphs of
LG's. And about the dragons, they are not easy to
sex, since I must inform you of that.
:->I guess you still think that you can sex a
:-> beardie by just looking at the base of the tail or the size of the
:-> head.
:-The femoral pores help too. Check any book or article for more
:-information. I'm sure you can learn this if you try.
Yeah the femoral pores help too when you have a
dragon that is old enough. Dragons usually do not
show enlarged femoral pores until they are over 3
years of age. That really does not help with a
three to ten month old dragon now does it?
Atleast I can admit that something is not easily
done. I do have a very good knowledge of dragons.
I may not know it all about beardies, but I sure
know them very well. Atleast enough that I have
plenty of people come to me all the time for
Answers. That does not mean I know them better
than someone else, just that I have a very good
understanding of them, (much better than average).
:->I do not say anything for sure about beardies until it is
:-> proven by either laying eggs or by fertilizing a female. But that
:-> must be a little above your head philly.....
:-
:-Then how come in this thread Sister Cynthia says that you sold her a
:-dragon as a female? Are you calling Sister C. a liar?
We told her it was a very good educated guess.
And from the sounds of things, I was correct. The
experience shows.....
:-> Þ In the past I had assumed that most people who asked him questions
:-> Þ about breeding were getting valid answers. According to his own page
:-> Þ Rod DOES NOT BREED MOST OF THE ANIMALS HE SELLS.
:->
:-> And your point??
:-
:-People should know when you say things like "beardies don't need UV
:-light" or "footlong beardies will get eaten by cagemates" or when you
:-rant about some morph not really existing, that those statements are
:-NOT coming from an established breeder but from a highly opinionated
:-college student with limited experience.
That is wrong Phil. I may not be a herper with 25
years of serious herping with me. Though I have
worked with reptiles for most of my life. But
that has nothing to do with my knowledge of
reptiles. And no, beardies do not need UV light.
There is no data that comes close to proving this.
We have seen beardies do better without any type
of artificial lighting than ones that were reared
in the sun!!!
I will give you an example: There is a *very*
name brand dragon breeder (not Bob M) that offers
dragons very similiar to ours. This particular
person lives in a state where he keeps his animals
in outdoor cages. I had a customer call and want
the best looking Pure Gold Phase animals that I
had. That she heard that I had some of the best
ones available in the country. So she bought
three from my best looking bloodlines, that were
the exact same age (six weeks) as the other
breeders. So they were identical animals as the
other breeders in description and age. After
receiving animals from the both of us she said:
Our animals were twice the size, twenty times more
colorful and in overall much better condition, not
to mention a much better price. Now I have not
said any names and I will not do so, (funny eh
<g>) Even though this guy is supposed to be one
of THE top beardie breeders in the nation, we
still had better animals to offer fo a better
price. The point being is that his animals are
raised outside in full sunlight, and those
particular animals were only raised with a spot
light on them. No artificial lighting. So that
means to me, that they do not do any better in
aritficial sunlight. I have told many a person
that and have yet to hear any problems associated
with improper artificial lighting. Take it as you
wish, but that sure does give me an indication
that they do not need it. Sure I tell people to
use it if you have it, but it is definitely not
neccescary....
:-> Þ I had doubts about Rod's level of experience. From his resume I learn
:-> Þ that Rod is a JUNIOR IN COLLEGE.
:->
:-> Yup, and even though I am a college student does not mean a darn thing
:-> now does it? So your point is??
:-
:-It means that many folks on RPH had been assuming that you were older
:-and more experienced than you really are. Again it is good to know
:-the truth so that the validity of your answers can be evaluated by the
:-reader.
Who says I do not have plenty of experience just
because I am not 50 years old and haven't been
keeping rare lizards and snakes for 25 years?
That has nothing to do with it. I get people all
the time that have worked at zoos for years and
HAVE kept animals for 25 years that still come to
me for advice. So I see no way you can come to
any conclusion with that little info Phil.....I
could care less what people *assume* about me.
Infact, if people are assuming that I am a
lifelong herper that is 50 years old, then that
must mean that I do know what the heck I am
talking about. Othewise people would not have any
reason to think that now would they?? hmmm,
something to think about.....
:-Given the attitude that Rod displays, "I know everything and anyone
:-who disagrees with me is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG". The odds are he will
:-be unwilling to learn and is likely to be just as clueless when he
:-gets older as he is now.
That is funny, when did I ever say that everyone
else or everyone that disagrees with me is wrong.
I do not believe what someone says until I have
proof to. I will admit that. But that does not
mean that I feel everyone is wrong. I really only
try to learn from people that I feel that I can
trust. The main people that I try to ignore are
people that I feel are being paranoid to a point
of being rediculous. For example: keeping
beardies on sand is bad cause they can eat it and
it can cause problems. To me and others that are
experienced beardie keepers that is rediculous!!
Sorry folks, but it is true. There is a point
that you can be too paranoid. If you are so
paranoid about that stuff then how can you even
leave your home in fears of catching some weird
disease? Yes you need to be careful with things
when keeping your dragon. But there are points
when you are just being too careful. I know some
people will disagree, but just like I said...How
can you leave your home if you are so scared you
are going to catch some deadly disease? That is
just being paranoid to. And that is what I think
of keeping beardies on sand. People think of
keeping beardies on sand can be bad is the same
way of thinking as the way of thinking about
catching a disease! See the paranoia that I find
rediculousness in it??
And to finish my rebutle on the last blurb of
Phil's...I am a very good learner about reptiles.
I have learned so much about reptiles and the
people that keep em that I could go on forever
about my understandings and knowledge. But that
is something people would need to bring up with me
in person. That is just too much to type....
:-Uhh. Saying he faked his photos and that the morphs he sells don't
:-really exist is not an attack? The stuff you were posting a few
:-months ago about his animals being inbred was not an attack? You have
:-a funny way of being friendly.
No that is just what I call an opinoin Phil.....An
attack has a reason behind it such as gaining
something. I see no reason to gain from something
like that. I do though feel that saying something
negative is an attack, it is just that I want to
inform people of what I feel are the facts,
othewise I give my opinioin. Lord knows you are
full of opinions too Phil.....
:-YOU have never answered the question: WHY CANT RODZ WORLD OF REPTILES
:-DO SUCH A NOBLE THING!!!!
With wut money Phil?? I am a poor college student
remember!! I am doing what little I can by
properly propagating animals that would otherwise
be exploited by wild collection. So that is (at
the time) the only way I can contribute. Now for
a large exhibition such as The Orlando Expo, I
firmly believe that they should use 'some' of the
profits to better the hobby.
When I posted that original post my understanding
was that Wayne Hill did not do anything to better
anything but himself. I was wrong and I stand
corrected! Atleast I can admit that....The
problem is that there is no evidence of such
donations. I would expect a blurb on the
advertisements or the CFHS web site that talks
about where the procedes go. When places that do
give considerably to charities do so, they are
usually a little more outspoken about it. I would
have gone to Wayne Hill about it, but to be
honest, when I have to spoke with him in the past
on the phone, he is a hard person to get answers
out of. And I know for a fact I am no the only
person that feels that way. So I felt that going
to him was not a fesible thing to do. I will tell
you though, I did get the answers I was after. A
heck of a lot easier than expected. I just am
sorry that I did it the way I did. Oh well, you
cannot change the past....
Your turn Phil......lol....
¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤
Please use the e-mail address in the
signiture to respond. I am trying to
cut down on spams.....
Rod Mitchell
In Normal Illinois!!!
Kevin Dunne
say that, at times, even the picture in Vivarium does not do the animals
justice. Sometimes they look better! Why don't you give him a call,
I'm sure he'd rather have you see for yourself, instead of making
uninformed judgements about his animals.
Kevin Dunne,
Dragon's Den Herpetoculture
Matt Yankee
Kevin Dunne wrote:
>
> I've been there and seen his Sandfire adults many times and I have to
> say that, at times, even the picture in Vivarium does not do the animals
> justice. Sometimes they look better!
I had the pleasure of visiting Sandfire in April. You very right - his
animals are amazing to see in person!! Truely spectacular herps.
________________________________________________________________
Matthew A. Yankee
Parma, Ohio
E-mail: Tuat...@worldnet.att.net Or: Tuat...@aol.com
Chameleon Page: http://members.aol.com/netcham/index.html
"The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything."
— W.C. Magee
RSC Geology
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
> Ok then if they really look that way then two
> things:
(snip)
> I dunno, it just looks
> funny to me.....
That's what the whole dragon morph issue boils down to. If that's all
you've got to go on then you should not keep saying or implying they
are fake IMHO.
>
> This just goes to show you how little you know
> Phil....What you think that you can just look at
> em and tell the sex. There is no one on earth
> that will tell you that they can sex a beardie
> with any ease. It takes a lot of understanding of
> them. And that does not always mean that you can
> sex them easily.
I never said I could sex every dragon easily (I never even claimed it
was possible to sex EVERY dragon visually), but sometimes it IS easy.
>
> Yeah the femoral pores help too when you have a
> dragon that is old enough. Dragons usually do not
> show enlarged femoral pores until they are over 3
> years of age. That really does not help with a
> three to ten month old dragon now does it?
3 years? That sounds surprisingly old to me! Some dragons show
enlarged femoral pores at sexual maturity, though I guess it's
possible that some could be 3 years old before they do.
> I will give you an example: There is a *very*
> name brand dragon breeder (not Bob M) that offers
> dragons very similiar to ours. This particular
> person lives in a state where he keeps his animals
> in outdoor cages.
(snip)
> Now I have not
> said any names and I will not do so, (funny eh
> <g>)
What is really funny is that you post this story frequently, but
usually you DO say it is Pete Weis that you are talking about! (I'm
sure you have put it up in the last week BTW)
>...I am a very good learner about reptiles.
> I have learned so much about reptiles and the
> people that keep em that I could go on forever
> about my understandings and knowledge. But that
> is something people would need to bring up with me
> in person. That is just too much to type....
such modesty! You certainly are a legend in your own mind.
> :-Uhh. Saying he faked his photos and that the morphs he sells don't
> :-really exist is not an attack? The stuff you were posting a few
> :-months ago about his animals being inbred was not an attack? You have
> :-a funny way of being friendly.
>
> No that is just what I call an opinoin Phil.....An
> attack has a reason behind it such as gaining
> something. I see no reason to gain from something
> like that.
OK I'll run through it for you. You sell beardies. Others sell
beardies. You take cheap shots at others so people will buy your
beardies instead of buying them from the others.
>
> :-YOU have never answered the question: WHY CANT RODZ WORLD OF REPTILES
> :-DO SUCH A NOBLE THING!!!!
>
> With wut money Phil?? I am a poor college student
> remember!!
What about that big money job you were "looking foreward to getting
before you even graduate"? You never answered Elizabeth's question on
that.
> When I posted that original post my understanding
> was that Wayne Hill did not do anything to better
> anything but himself. I was wrong and I stand
> corrected! Atleast I can admit that...
OK, who is really posting this? (The grammer and spelling have been a
lot better than usual too). I guess it really is Rod. Actually if
you behave yourself like this in the future I won't have to get
medeval on you after all.
8-)
Phil Hughes
RSC Geology
Sister Cynthia, Dragon Keeper wrote:
> As far as Phil goes, he can [and probably will] stand up for himself just
> fine. As his friend, I would like to say a few things I have noticed.
> He RARELY posts "flames," except perhaps when dealing with you. What can I
> say, you bring out his Dark Side. ;) He typically posts intellegent,
> thought out responces to questions, and won't refuse to admit when he is
> in over his head. Probably a reason why I like him. As near as I can
> tell, he doesn't have any emotional problems. That, or he is one
> heck of a thespian!!! ;) [which is it, Phil? ;) ]
>
Thanks for the kind words Sister C!
Well I once thought I was a thespian stuck inside a man's body but
then...oops never mind.
Phil Hughes
Kevin Dunne
say that, at times, even the picture in Vivarium does not do the animals
Matt Yankee
Kevin Dunne wrote:
>
> I've been there and seen his Sandfire adults many times and I have to
> say that, at times, even the picture in Vivarium does not do the animals
> justice. Sometimes they look better!
I had the pleasure of visiting Sandfire in April. You very right - his
Rod Mitchell
RSC Geology <hug...@mail.rancho.cc.ca.us> wrote:
:-> This just goes to show you how little you know
:-> Phil....What you think that you can just look at
:-> em and tell the sex. There is no one on earth
:-> that will tell you that they can sex a beardie
:-> with any ease. It takes a lot of understanding of
:-> them. And that does not always mean that you can
:-> sex them easily.
:-
:-I never said I could sex every dragon easily (I never even claimed it
:-was possible to sex EVERY dragon visually), but sometimes it IS easy.
The key word is *sometimes*. Unfortunately it is
usually harder to sex them than it is
easier...That is why we only say that it is for
*sure* when you either have a female lay eggs, or
you have a male fertilize those eggs.
I have seen known females bob there heads just as
quick as males and I have seen known males wave
there arms and do slow head bobs. Eversion of the
hemipenes can be a good way for males. But just
because you cannot evert hemipenes does not mean
that is not a male. You might just not have an
'endowed' male....
:-> Yeah the femoral pores help too when you have a
:-> dragon that is old enough. Dragons usually do not
:-> show enlarged femoral pores until they are over 3
:-> years of age. That really does not help with a
:-> three to ten month old dragon now does it?
:-3 years? That sounds surprisingly old to me! Some dragons show
:-enlarged femoral pores at sexual maturity, though I guess it's
:-possible that some could be 3 years old before they do.
I have yet to see an animal that just reached
sexual maturity show the femoral pores. They have
all shown up quite a bit longer than that...
So yeah it souds old, it is about the age of a 20
to 25 year old human. Male beardies live around 6
to 9 years and for some reason they do not develop
there pores til they are a little older....Say
three-ish...
:-> Now I have not
:-> said any names and I will not do so, (funny eh
:-> <g>)
:-
:-What is really funny is that you post this story frequently, but
:-usually you DO say it is Pete Weis that you are talking about! (I'm
:-sure you have put it up in the last week BTW)
I guess that my memory is getting bad or
something, cause I sure do not remember ever
telling that story here. Cause it just happened
withing the past few weeks! And if I mentioned it
in a recent post, please tell me which one,
especially since you know the 'big' secret called
Deja News! lol Not like that is a big deal or
anything to use....hmmmm
:->...I am a very good learner about reptiles.
:-> I have learned so much about reptiles and the
:-> people that keep em that I could go on forever
:-> about my understandings and knowledge. But that
:-> is something people would need to bring up with me
:-> in person. That is just too much to type....
:-
:-such modesty! You certainly are a legend in your own mind.
hmmmm....whatever.....
:-> :-YOU have never answered the question: WHY CANT RODZ WORLD OF REPTILES
:-> :-DO SUCH A NOBLE THING!!!!
:->
:-> With wut money Phil?? I am a poor college student
:-> remember!!
:-
:-What about that big money job you were "looking foreward to getting
:-before you even graduate"? You never answered Elizabeth's question on
:-that.
Don't have it yet, now do I? Infact I would
rather get through school first and then bother
with a big glamorous job. If I started that job
now, how ever would I find time to have flame wars
with you Phil?? hahahahahaha
As for the question Elizabeth asked: I do not
even do a hundred thousand dollars or even one
quarter that in a YEAR!! So what, the spare 25
dollars every month is enough for me to buy what?
A tree?? Well, I did buy some plants recently.
And I do recycle, if that is anything.
Not to mention, I did not find Elizabeths post
worth replying to.....A waste of time if you ask
me....Phil, your more fun.....<g>
:-> When I posted that original post my understanding
:-> was that Wayne Hill did not do anything to better
:-> anything but himself. I was wrong and I stand
:-> corrected! Atleast I can admit that...
:-
:-OK, who is really posting this? (The grammer and spelling have been a
:-lot better than usual too). I guess it really is Rod. Actually if
:-you behave yourself like this in the future I won't have to get
:-medeval on you after all.
Sorry, I usually do my posting rather late when I
get a little craby and I usually do not bother
what I say.....Heck when I posted that wonderful
post that ticked you off lately, that was early!
It was only like 1:30 am. So you can understand
why I sound a little out of sorts when I post. It
is because I usually do my NetNews before I retire
for the evening.....
いいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいい
CgrShamn
Well guys, having finally seen a picture of a sandfire, I don't know what
the big deal is anyways. In my opinion he's ugly. I much prefer my normal
boring tan & brown guy. and also, IMHO, it does look like they may have
done a little tinkering with the photo at the photo lab; but, it's an
advertisment. Who said it has to be truthful <g>.
elizabeth west
Rod Mitchell wrote:
> :-> With wut money Phil?? I am a poor college student
> :-> remember!!
> :-
> :-What about that big money job you were "looking foreward to getting
> :-before you even graduate"? You never answered Elizabeth's question on
> :-that.
>
> Don't have it yet, now do I? Infact I would
> rather get through school first and then bother
> with a big glamorous job. If I started that job
> now, how ever would I find time to have flame wars
> with you Phil?? hahahahahaha
That isn't what you said. You said that you would be making $68,000
before you even graduated. No one else said this. Besides, I'm sure
you would find the time to still flame people.
>
> As for the question Elizabeth asked: I do not
> even do a hundred thousand dollars or even one
> quarter that in a YEAR!! So what, the spare 25
> dollars every month is enough for me to buy what?
> A tree?? Well, I did buy some plants recently.
> And I do recycle, if that is anything.
That wasn't my question smartass. I asked where all of that money that
you would supposedly *eventually* be making was going to go, using a
direct quote of yours about all the neat stuff you could buy. Your
words, not mine. I could care less what you do with your money.
>
> Not to mention, I did not find Elizabeths post
> worth replying to.....A waste of time if you ask
> me....Phil, your more fun.....<g>
That's right, it's a waste of Rods time to answer real questions instead
of flaming someone!
> Sorry, I usually do my posting rather late when I
> get a little craby and I usually do not bother
> what I say.....Heck when I posted that wonderful
> post that ticked you off lately, that was early!
> It was only like 1:30 am. So you can understand
> why I sound a little out of sorts when I post. It
> is because I usually do my NetNews before I retire
> for the evening.....
Convenient excuse. In other words, your life is so empty that you have
nothing better to do than type at 1:30 am without even bothering to care
what you type. Don't you have some homework to do Rod?
Elizabeth
RSC Geology
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
>
> I guess that my memory is getting bad or
> something, cause I sure do not remember ever
> telling that story here. Cause it just happened
> withing the past few weeks! And if I mentioned it
> in a recent post, please tell me which one,
> especially since you know the 'big' secret called
> Deja News! lol Not like that is a big deal or
> anything to use....hmmmm
>
Go do it yerself. Actually it seems like you can't remember the start
of the same post sometimes.
> :->...I am a very good learner about reptiles.
> :-> I have learned so much about reptiles and the
> :-> people that keep em that I could go on forever
> :-> about my understandings and knowledge. But that
> :-> is something people would need to bring up with me
> :-> in person. That is just too much to type....
> :-
I'll do you a favor here Rod. Imagine you wandered into a NG on say,
cars. Substitute the word "cars" for reptiles and imagine you don't
know the person who wrote it. Would what your reaction be?
The reaction that most people have is NOT "Well, he talks about how
much he knows so I guess he really must be so smart"
There are some really high level people who post on RPH, can you
imagine one of them posting something like that?
>
> Not to mention, I did not find Elizabeths post
> worth replying to.....A waste of time if you ask
> me....Phil, your more fun.....<g>
I suspect that your ego could not deal with getting whupped by a
female. She is WAY more than a match for you. An she might not
choose to let you off as easily as I do.
Phil Hughes
jessem
RSC Geology wrote:
>
> Rod Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >
> > I guess that my memory is getting bad or
> > something, cause I sure do not remember ever
> > telling that story here. Cause it just happened
> > withing the past few weeks! And if I mentioned it
> > in a recent post, please tell me which one,
> > especially since you know the 'big' secret called
> > Deja News! lol Not like that is a big deal or
> > anything to use....hmmmm
> >
>
> of the same post sometimes.
>
> > :-> I have learned so much about reptiles and the
> > :-> people that keep em that I could go on forever
> > :-> about my understandings and knowledge. But that
> > :-> is something people would need to bring up with me
> > :-> in person. That is just too much to type....
> > :-
>
> cars. Substitute the word "cars" for reptiles and imagine you don't
> know the person who wrote it. Would what your reaction be?
>
> The reaction that most people have is NOT "Well, he talks about how
> much he knows so I guess he really must be so smart"
>
> There are some really high level people who post on RPH, can you
> imagine one of them posting something like that?
>
> >
> > worth replying to.....A waste of time if you ask
> > me....Phil, your more fun.....<g>
>
> female. She is WAY more than a match for you. An she might not
> choose to let you off as easily as I do.
>
> Phil Hughes
uhh no offense, but why don't you guys bash eachother via private email?
I mean, it was amusing at first, but it got boring after ahile ;)
Jesse
Rod Mitchell
elizabeth west <bink...@pop3.concentric.net>
wrote:
Elizabeth,
The reason I find it rediculous to answer your
questions is cause they are simply a bunch of hot
air. So let those fat fingers of yours type away
cause I have no reason to answer you.....
Rod Mitchell
jessem <jes...@direct.ca> wrote:
:-uhh no offense, but why don't you guys bash eachother via private email?
:-I mean, it was amusing at first, but it got boring after ahile ;)
:-Jesse
Thanx Jesse,
You gave me a better idea...I am going to just
drop this whole ordeal and not bother to ever
respond to flmaes from Phil or whom ever else....
Sound like a good idea Phil?? How about if you
just suck it up and not repsond to any of my posts
*ever no matter how bad you want to. Cause
nothing ever good comes out it any how.....
RSC Geology
jessem wrote:
>
>
> uhh no offense, but why don't you guys bash eachother via private email?
no offense taken by me, this IS getting boring and seems to be fading
out anyway.
BTW. I already get hate e-mail from Rod. If you think he's bad in
public you should see what a charming fellow he can be in private. He
seems to have some fixation on the size and functioning of a certain
body part. The .... well ....you could just call it the rod.
As far as me e-mailing him. Well he posted about a week ago that he
had killfiled me from both his news and mail server so there is no way
that.......hey, wait a minute......He's been responding here on RPH.
Hmmm.... could it be that he was not telling the truth? (not a good
idea for someone in business on the net I'd think). Maybe he just
couldn't figure out how the killfile worked. Thats not a good sign
for a computer science student. Maybe he is going to have a lot
harder time getting that big money job than he thinks! I guess he
always has his personal charm to fall back on.
8-)
I really am done now.
Phil
jessem
Jesse
RSC Geology
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> The reason I find it rediculous to answer your
> questions is cause they are simply a bunch of hot
> air. So let those fat fingers of yours type away
> cause I have no reason to answer you.....
>
*Time out* Truce for a second here.
What's with the charming "fat fingers" remark? Have you seen a
picture of Elizabeth?
I'm guessing that you have not.
If you do know of a photo, there are hundreds of musicians who want to
see it. (it's sort of like when photographers were trying to get
pictures of KISS in the 70's without makeup). There was recently a
flurry of activity on the net caused by people just trying to see a
picture of the type of guitar she uses (a Gibson Corvus).
pH
RSC Geology
Rod Mitchell wrote:
>
> Thanx Jesse,
>
> You gave me a better idea...I am going to just
> drop this whole ordeal and not bother to ever
> respond to flmaes from Phil or whom ever else....
>
> Sound like a good idea Phil?? How about if you
> just suck it up and not repsond to any of my posts
> *ever no matter how bad you want to. Cause
> nothing ever good comes out it any how.....
>
OK, I know a white flag when I see one. I accept your surrender and
will back off, as long as you behave yourself.
I think some good did come out of this BTW. The nonsense about the
Orlando show was cleared up as well as the silly idea that the
Sandfire dragons don't really look like the pictures. We also managed
to clear up some misconceptions about your background, Rod.
I wonder why you described these encounters as an ordeal? You had
posted several times saying how much fun you were having. You
certainly are inconsistent.
As I said, I'm done with you. You are free to go start contesting
Mike Balsai on monitor diets now.
8-)
Phil Hughes
Ken Jannotta Jr.
My Tiger salamander has sores that almost look like ulcers. One of
my
oregon newts that I keep with him has one too. The first sore started
out
looking like he had rubbed a spot raw, so I didn't worry too much about
it.
Then he got a humoungous one on his nose, and I started to worry. While
i was figuring out what to do, he had them all-over and my newt had one.
None off my others are affected.
So far I have totally cleaned out the tank twice and made sure that
there
was a completely dry area for him to go. I have tried the sulfa bath
and rid
rot. They seemed to be helping, but now it appears that the sores are
BLEEDING?
Can anyone help me with some info, or where to look for info. I
really
want to help the little guy, and I have already spent more money on
these meds
than I actually paid for him.
Thanks very much in advance for any assistance. Please post or
e-mail.
Sincerely,
Alice
J.Hogg
Alice,
Take the salamnders to a vet. Phone the vet one day in advance and tell
them the problem so they can read up. Look for a vet that specialises in
small animals and pref herp experience. Don't worry if they have little
herp experience though. Its possible your salamanders have a bacterial
skin infection and will need antibiotics. As my vet pointed out to me
bacteria are bacteria whether they're on dogs or frogs and you treat
them in the same sort of way. I know it's costly but its worth the try
even if they don't make it. Hope all goes well.
cheers Jon.
Ken and Deedra Hovey
acuall name but it begins with a K. Any pet store with fish could help
you.
I put one capluse in a quart of distilled (or at aleast unclorinated)
water. Put the newts into a plastic shoe box and added about 1 inch of
the solution. Do this 1 or 2 times a day every day for a week. The
meds came in a package of 10 capsules and I used them all. It stoped the
rot and in a few weeks the wounds were completely cured.
keep the tanks clean. no soap..rinse with 10% bleach solution..rinse
again..keeping them in a shoebox lined with wet (not soaked) papertowels
. Its easier to keep clean. good luck
ken
ho...@earthlink.net