Do not fly THY (Turkish Airlines) with your pets
Senol Sonek
Hi everyone,
On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
time. Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
situation. In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones. In
Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go. Therefore, the best we can do
for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
Thank you all.
Take care of your pets,
Senol Sonek
son...@escortnet.com or sso...@husc.harvard.edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~ssonek/cats/cats.html
Yigit Kavurmacioglu
In article <327918...@escortnet.com>, son...@escortnet.com says...
I understand your pet is missing and you are not feeling well BUT.
I can give you a lot of examples of problems with other airlines. However, I
do not understand the logic of your generalization of one incident and posting
your article to every newsgroup that you can think of.
I feel an obligation of to dispute your generalization about Turkish Airlines
and state according to many of my friends experience that they know how to
handle animals (of all kind 2 leg 4 leg).
If you're not satisfied with it please fly with any other airline.
I'll continue with Turkish Airlines
Regards
Yigit Kavurmacioglu
Derya Cansever
That reminded me of a story with Swissair. We, (myself and my family)
traveled to Zurich from Boston this fall. Since we have a 2 month old
baby, we had a bulkhead seat where they install a small bassinette (sp?)
on the bulkhead so that the baby can sleep in relative comfort. They can
install 2 such bassinettes per bulkhead, that corresponds to 4 seats. On
the way to Zurich, we had 3 seats and a bassinette, no problem. On the
way back, I noticed that one of our seats was bumped to several rows
back. At first, I thought it was to accommodate for another baby. Then, I
noticed that what they tried to accommodate is a couple of cats. A couple
with 2 cats was given 2 bulkhead seats at the expense of one of our
seats, even though we had pre-assigned seats. What the brilliant people
of Swissair thought was to install 2 bassinettes side by side, where one
of them was to be dwelled by my baby daughter, and the other one by 2
cats, and myself bumped back several rows. I made it very clear that I
did not like this scenario a bit, and that I am prepared to do my best so
that we would have a different seating arrangement than what the
brilliant people of Swissair had envisioned. The owners of the cats
cooperated, along with some other folks, so that Swissair scenario did
not occur.
Of course, I feel sory for the cat lost, as descibed in the attached
article, and it looks like the Airline was negligeant in the whole
affair. Having said that, to their credit though, at least they did not
lose track of their priorities, as the folks at Swissair did.
Derya Cansever
Senol Sonek wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
> JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
> three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
> informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
> me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
> Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
> THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
> time. Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
> situation. In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
> does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones. In
> Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go. Therefore, the best we can do
> for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
> have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
>
> 1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
> 2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
> 3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
> 4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
>
> Thank you all.
> Take care of your pets,
>
Cumhur Pulic
Senol Sonek wrote:
CUT>---
iyi de, ne diye bir suru Newsgorup'a dagIttIn?!!!
...
Camurdan olsun da, Turk HavayollarI olsun:-)))
Cumhur
Scouser
On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:20:16 -0800, Senol Sonek <son...@escortnet.com>
wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
>JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
>three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
>informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
>me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
>Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
>THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
>time. Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
>situation. In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
>does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones. In
>Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go. Therefore, the best we can do
>for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
>have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
>
>1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
>2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
>3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
>4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
>
>Thank you all.
>Take care of your pets,
>
>Senol Sonek
>son...@escortnet.com or sso...@husc.harvard.edu
>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~ssonek/cats/cats.html
just wondering, does this count as off topic as the destination
was Istanbul.?
should we post to rec.travel.europe for istanbul
and rec.travel.asia for ankarra?
now the required extra lines
scouser
no e-mail, please post in the group
Bahadir Acuner
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
> JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
> three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
> informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
> me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
> Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
> THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
> time. Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
> situation. In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
> does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones. In
> Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go. Therefore, the best we can do
> for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
> have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
>
> 1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
> 2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
> 3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
> 4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
>
Pet peeves! :) They do happen!
Write to the General Head Office of THY in Istnabul. Plus, you can write
to reputable travel related magazines like Conde Nast Traveler. Even
though this kind of things happen with other airlines, that doesn't
justify not taking actions against the airline. It's more than " they
put me in a window seat" complaint 'cause they have lost a living
valuable lovely creature.
An international airline should be able to take care of these measures.
Today I was so pi**ed off to THY when they told me that they could not
send me the ticket if I gave them my credit card number over the phone.
Well, guess what? Delta has a new customer..
Airline business is a service sector where switching costs are minimal.
As long as you provide the service you get what you want: customers. If
you don't, tough luck!
Kerimcan Ozcan
In article <327994...@vt.edu>, Bahadir Acuner <bacu...@vt.edu> wrote:
>
> Airline business is a service sector where switching costs are minimal.
I wouldn't agree with that. Switching might become very very costly at
times. Just remember how many planes crashed this year! Latest plane crash
happened just yesterday in San Paulo, Brazil. This time it was a
Brazilian carrier. I think Turkish Airlines is still one of the safest
carriers around nowadays with an extremely young fleet in operation. The
cabin service would definitely top Delta too, I can personally attest to
that.
Kerimcan
Erik B. Andersen
On Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:20:16 -0800, Senol Sonek <son...@escortnet.com>
wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
>JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
>three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
>informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
>me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
>Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
>THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
>time. Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
>situation. In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
>does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones. In
>Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go. Therefore, the best we can do
>for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
>have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
>
>1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
>2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
>3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
>4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
>
>Thank you all.
>Take care of your pets,
>
>Senol Sonek
>son...@escortnet.com or sso...@husc.harvard.edu
>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~ssonek/cats/cats.html
just wondering, does this count as off topic as the destination
David Sommer
That's a really tough situation! I sympathize with you regarding the
loss of your pet at JFK prior to departure aboard THY to Istanbul.
I just want to point out that THY serves JFK just once daily -- if even
that frequently -- and maybe for that reason they contract with a US- or
NYC-based ground handling provider -- the actual baggage and cargo people
may not be THY employees. I suppose if THY does subcontract ground
operations as such, you may have further recourse. I am also unsure if a
foreign plane at a US airport is beyond being held legally responsible for
the safe loading and storage of its passengers' property and cargo. The
airline's position as stated by you sounds a bit suspicious.
There are people reading these articles who will know more than me about
how to handle this problem -- keep checking back!
Good Luck!
Dave S
In Fla
M C Bucknall
>just wondering, does this count as off topic as the destination
>was Istanbul.?
>should we post to rec.travel.europe for istanbul
>and rec.travel.asia for ankarra?
This would be correct IMHO, but I will tolerate Ankara here
now seeing travel between Europe and Asia Minor is easier than it was.
The answer to the previous question about the pets is that, as
one poster indicated, the ground handling agent is at fault. You will
have recourse against the airline, but they will hold the handling
agent responsible under the terms of their contract. It will therefore
pay you to pursue the matter with the agent. You should also be in
touch with the airport authority, because it is quite likely that the
agent has contravened the airport's operating conditions - especially
if there might be an animal loose airside in the airport! Quite apart
from the handling of passengers' property, there is a wider safety
point there. Finally, the Government's aviation people (here the FAA)
will probably not put up with this sort of thing. But then if the
handling agent is a US firm, stand by for some nepotism ...
Finally, of course, anyone shipping cargo like this should
insure it, but I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone that :-)
========== M C Bucknall
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> Senol Sonek wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> > have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
> >
> > 1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
> > 2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
> > 3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
> > 4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
> >
>
Ya oylemi.
Laf etti Balkabagi,
Yok efendim THY ucmayiniz mis?
Yarappim, bana sabir ver.
Mair Levi
Ezerhan Kadioglu
: On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
: JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
: three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
: informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
: me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
: Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
: THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
: time. Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
: situation. In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
: does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones. In
: Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go. Therefore, the best we can do
: for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
: have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
: 1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
: 2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
: 3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
: 4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
: Thank you all.
: Take care of your pets,
: Senol Sonek
: son...@escortnet.com or sso...@husc.harvard.edu
: http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~ssonek/cats/cats.html
duz mantik...
Ezer
J. R. Cartmill
I'd wondered why the "mystery meat" tasted a little funny.
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In <55aqb0$j...@spasmolytic.openix.com> yig...@openix.com (Yigit
Kavurmacioglu) writes:
>
>In article <327918...@escortnet.com>, son...@escortnet.com says...
>>
homeless_dog_®
Senol Sonek <son...@escortnet.com> wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>On August 30, I took Turkish Airlines flight number TK 582 from New York
>JFK International airport to Istanbul with my three cats. They were in
>three separate cages. It was about five minutes to departure when they
>informed me that one of my cats was lost (or escaped !?!). They showed
>me the open cage, but could not explain how it happened. My wife (in
>Boston) and I (in Istanbul) tried our best to find her or at least teach
>THY (Turkish Airlines) a lesson, so they won’t threat pets this way next
>time.
Hm... If you think you're going to give a lesson to THY you're
dreaming my friend. They do not get the lessons EU gives them by
blocking Economicall support to Turkey because of human rights
violation and you think they will listen to you ???
> Unfortunately, there are no laws or regulations applicable to this
>situation.
Why ? You think there are laws in Turkey ?
>In the U.S., we have been informed that the U.S. government
>does not regulate international airliners, but only the U.S. ones.
> In Turkey, animal rights is a long way to go.
Animal rights in Turkey ???
Yes there will be some at next centuries !!!
Haven't you ever heard about human rights violation in Turkey ?
Turkey is hundred years back.
> Therefore, the best we can do
>for now is to warn you all flying Turkish Airlines with pets. If you
>have pets, please DO NOT FLY TURKISH AIRLINES.
>1. They do not have a separate check-in counter for pets
I don't agree. The check in counter is the same for human as for
animals, as in Turkey they do not seperate human from animals :-)
>2. They don’t know how to carry/handle animals
>3. They don’t know how to catch an animal on the loose
Yeap. The only thing they Know is how to violate human rights and
international agreements.
>4. They DON’T HELP at all, BUT KEEP QUIET.
You are out of reallity again if you expect any help from Turkish
authorities.!!!
>Thank you all.
>Take care of your pets,
>Senol Sonek
>son...@escortnet.com or sso...@husc.harvard.edu
>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~ssonek/cats/cats.html
PS: Do you have any pet and want to get rid of it ?
Fly with THY !!!
Go to the sites that reveal the Turkish Barbaric Crimes
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/agamemnon/Violate.htm
http://www.hellasweb.com/commun/NAISSUES/TURKS/turkgifs.htm
http://www.hellasweb.com/commun/NAISSUES/TURKS/TURKS.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/agamemnon/humanrig.HTM
http://amnesty.org
GeorgeS
In article <55j38q$m...@info.forthnet.gr>, Homelessdog® says...
^^^^^^^^^^^
< snip anti turk tirade>
>Go to the sites that reveal the Turkish Barbaric Crimes
Let me guess, you are a greek dog :)
--
Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ernyyl bhtug gb trg bhg zber
Aydin F
Homelessdog® wrote:
: Senol Sonek <son...@escortnet.com> wrote:
: >Hi everyone,
: Go to the sites that reveal the Turkish Barbaric Crimes
: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/agamemnon/Violate.htm
: http://www.hellasweb.com/commun/NAISSUES/TURKS/turkgifs.htm
: http://www.hellasweb.com/commun/NAISSUES/TURKS/TURKS.htm
: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/agamemnon/humanrig.HTM
: http://amnesty.org
FUCK OFFF !!!
homeless_dog_®
p...@shore.net (GeorgeS) wrote:
>< snip anti turk tirade>
Tirade ?
You are very sensitive eh?
>>Go to the sites that reveal the Turkish Barbaric Crimes
Yes they are very interesting.
>Let me guess, you are a greek dog :)
Rong.
How should I be Greek as I am Homeless ?
Don't you know that there are no homeless in Greece ?
Probably, I may be a Turk, as there are many homeless
people and dogs (there is no difference between them,for the Turkish
Goverment) in Turkey.
Regards: A homeless dog 8-)
homeless_dog_®
p...@shore.net (GeorgeS) wrote:
> Go to the sites that reveal the Turkish Barbaric Crimes
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/agamemnon/Violate.htm
> http://www.hellasweb.com/commun/NAISSUES/TURKS/turkgifs.htm
> http://www.hellasweb.com/commun/NAISSUES/TURKS/TURKS.htm
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/agamemnon/humanrig.HTM
> http://amnesty.org
Thanks George.
They are very enlightening.
Regards: A homeless dog