The dog takes over your life
The Puppy Wizard
"dejablues" <deja...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> We live in the suburbs and have an acre of land,
> but on a busy road with no fence
Oh? You could train your dog to stay on your
pupperty like ALL The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Students
REPORT RIGHT HERE.
> (and no plans or funds for a fence).
No problem. Perhaps you can get a shock fence?
Took diddler a year to train her dogs to fear the
shock enough that IT wouldn't try to escape.
> With a not-too-bright dog
Sez you?
BWEEEHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> that took over a year to housetrain,
Dogs HOWEsbreak INSTINCTIVELY.
> it was a constant vigil for the next pee or poo,
Yeah. That's cause you punish your dog.
> which he would refuse to do on a walk, btw.
That's cause you're walking IT insetad of takin
IT for a break.
> I know what you mean.
That so?
> It added a lot of stress to my life.
That's on accHOWENT of you're a dog
abuser and a mental case.
"Hoku Beltz" <ho...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
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> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the
> letter, no matter how insignificant some
> of the step seem to be and your pupy will
> be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
>
> I would seriously consider backing out of
> the training classes as they will conflict
> with the Wit's End principles.
>
> I went the training route first, and still
> had problems until I found Wits' End.
>
> Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
> You won't be disappointed if you follow
> the program.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Hoku
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
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"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net wrote in message
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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main
concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-
shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now
<g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time. IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
> dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
> back in the yard and would run for days. The last time,
> Peach didn't come back home.
>
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
> my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
> reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer
> runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and
> she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard.
>
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
> e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
> then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
> electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
>
> The price was too high:-(
>
> ~misty
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Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho').
Best, ben
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Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!
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"JoeTheGuru" <joeth...@hotmail.com.NOSPAM wrote in
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JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!!
or it could be a troll <are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....
would you use it on your best friend.....
I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of it and
now.
I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.<great dane X mastiff
I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.
I have a dog that comes when ever I call.
I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs away.
I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.
I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.
I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it
I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some ones
there.
I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park <only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training the dog
<spending the time with the dog.
jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train
them.
I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog> so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.
the dog I have now was when I picked her up from
the RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead <no idea.
cowered from every noise <and wet her self, messed
in the house at every turn. acted like I was killing her
when I dragged her over to the mess.
this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten
<2.5 feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to
be a dog.
the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog
to be proud to walk down the street with <3 feet to
the shoulder and still growing.
so well behaved even when people walk passed with
a out of control dog. gentle with my child and trustworthy
< I never have to worry that my dog will bite her, only
have to worry if a stranger comes over to my child.
still that is not a worry, she places herself between my
child and the stranger.
I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
crap out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking
and everything else. so jerry save this lad from
ruining his dog. later, Joe
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"melisande" <melis...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Pattng is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
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Jeremy writes:
"A customer recently purchased a Shiba Inu and I suspect
she may be in for a wild ride. This is a breed that I suspect
may respond particularly well to mutual respect style
training.
The alpha complex (as I now call it) is likely to
really provoke the dog's naturally competitive nature.
Thanks 1000 times for opening my eyes and don't let
those assholes get you down. I can't be the only person
that sees the sense in your methods. I'm in Windsor,
Ontario, Canada and pass your info to anyone it might
help" Thanks, Jeremy.
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<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marylin Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marylin
for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile
crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marylin Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really
care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to
the box first?)
Hello People,
Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and
hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a
long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry
came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard
way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is
just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and
KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT.
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The Puppy Wizard
"Suja" <span...@scs.gmu.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Rich wrote:
> > As a city dweller, I find that the lack of backyard is a
killer.
That's not The Puppy Wizard's experience livin
in an apartment.
> > It's a lot more difficult to let him go potty,
All depends on what you consider difficult.
Takin the dog HOWET ain't difficult if he's
trained to relieve hisself when and where
you ask him and return in two minutes, on
or off lead.
> > and there is no yard to 'dogsit' him.
You shouldn't need a sitter. Your dog
should be fine doin whatever.
> I have a rather large yard. It is unfenced.
>I have one dog that I will not trust off leash,
BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
> so I leash him up and go out with him when he needs
> to go out. I went out with him in the snow last night
> about 5 times (9:00, 11:00, 1:30, 4:15, 6:30).
Your dog relieves hisself excessively
because of anxiHOWESNESS. That's
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, suja.
> Each time, it took him about 20
> minutes to be done.
BWEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
That's your dog playin you off, suja.
> I suspect that both of us would be in the same
> shoes when this sort of thing happens.
Hardly, suja. Your dog's habits are a direct
reflection of HOWE he feels and is treated.
> The other dog is completely trustworthy off leash.
Cause she's too afraid to run HOWET on you.
Or she would.
> However, if you just stick her out the door,
> she'll stand there, trying to get back in.
RIGHT. That too, is a SYMPTOM, suja.
> She wants her humans to go out there with her,
Your dog is INSECURE cause you ABUSE HER, suja.
> although we don't have to walk right next to her.
> FYI, even if my yard were fenced in, they will still
> go on walks -
You gotta excessively exercise your dogs to
expiate their anxiHOWESNESS.
> it is important to me that they remain well socialized,
Oh? You mean like HOWE lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn's SAR dog JIVE is RETIRED. Here's a tip, suja.
You cannot become RE HABILITATED if you've NEVER
BEEN HABILITATED.
FIGGER IT HOWET.
Your dog just attacked a opposite sex dog
you was fixin to adopt and they both ended
up in the emergency HOWEspital.
REMEMBER???
It was just last week, suja. REMEMBER NHOWE?
> are constantly exposed to new things, etc.
Like when your dog broke your arm bolting
after an innocent critter when you wasn't
prepared to HURT him.
> > Without a creative solution, the dog takes over
> > your life. I mean, one is constantly waiting to do
> > the next walk!!
NO. That's a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.
> > True?!
False.
> I don't know about you,
But The Puppy Wizard knows all abHOWET you, suja.
> but I'm not so busy or important
You're a know nuthin nobody.
Your posting history will prove it.
> that I can't spare a couple of hours out of my
> day to take care of my dogs.
Yeah. Just keep it to your own dogs.
You're a dog abuser and a mental case.
> If the dogs weren't in my life,
They'd be NORMAL, suja.
> I would be spending that time being unproductive anyway,
You mean anyHOWE, suja.
> and this way I at least get out of the house and
> stretch my legs,
Yeah.
> get to meet other people and their dogs, etc.
If your dog don't attack them.
> Just yesterday, DH and I were talking about
> how much less interesting our lives would be
> without the dogs.
Yeah. Like you wouldn'ta spend last weekend
and maybe a tHOWESAND bucks gettin your
dogs sewn back together.
CuriHOWES ain't it, HOWE that Malamute
was SHARING DINNER with the bitch in her
new HOWES the next day. Wasn't that special?
Perhaps THAT was on accHOWENT of they
didn't HURT and INTIMIDATE her?
> The positives far outweigh the negatives
That so? Lucky thing noWON GOT HURT
when they GOT HURT last week, suja.
> as far as I am concerned.
You're a IDIOT, suja.
> Your experiences and outlook may
> differ from mine, of course.
Of curse.
> Suja
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain
rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY
ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
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Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43bl...@corp.supernews.com
Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and
leaves out the bad. Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry
personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have
not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: mi...@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227
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Aloha Jerry,
Hoku
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Hi, Jerry.
The Puppy Wizard
This is dangerHOWES:
If you don't know HOWE to do it.
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
"michael" <michael@dddd_dogtv.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Rich,
>
> I wasn't being rude to you, I was being rude to
> dejaclueless who struggled for a year to housetrain
> her dogs, while my puppies are housetrained by the
> time they are 10-11 weeks old.
>
> That's it. No stress, no worries. I leave the
> house whenever I want with no worries, while Suja
> can't even freakin sleep because a dog she's had
> for YEARS is still pissing all over her living room
> and isn't housetrained....
>
> This is the dog who dragged her down the street
> and broke her or dislocated her bones, and the
> dog she can't even trust for a minute in the backyard,
> and the dog she has to get up at all hours of the night
> to take outside because, even after years of ownership
> he is still peeing all over her house...
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
>
> I'm usually quite rude to "regulars" usually fat ass
> women who spend all day on the keyboard because they
> know how to yack and gossip, and have zero clue on
> how to train dogs or deal with so-called "problem"
> behaviors.
>
> And I'm rudest to people who:
>
> A. murder dogs
> B. Get paid to murder dogs
> C. Volunteer to murder dogs for free and
> act like they are doing something good
> or people who make up reasons to murder
> easily trainable dogs.
> D. People who are apologists for dog
> murderers, or people who sit or have sat
> their fat asses on the "Board" of a
> "Shelter" which gets paid to murder dogs
> (Janet Boss, Mustang Sally)
> E. And some people are so despicable that
> I'm simply rude to them at all times.
> (Lynn K.)
>
>
> I'm rude to the people who have no idea what they
> are doing (shelly, suja, deja, malinda, cate, sally,
> etc...) people who are only here to gossip. And gossip
> is fine, but it's when these fat, stupid, bitter,
> brainless cows try to overstep their bounds and try
> control what goes on here, then they get the rudest
> treatment. Especially when their own houses are in
> a shambles, dogwise. Suja and shelly are the brainless
> and brainlesser twins. Laughable does not even begin
> to describe them. If all they did was gossip and chatter
> I'd have no problem with them and their dog stupidity.
>
> But gossip is not all they do here.
>
> They try to keep people like you at their level.
> They want you to be as stupid and pathetic and
> hopeless as they are. They want to prevent you
> from getting heelp.
>
> that's all.
>
>
> this is michael
> reporting live...
> http://dogtv.com
>
> Rich wrote:
> > I've owned many dogs (when I had a yard!) and find them to be
excellent
> > companions well worth a certain amount of time and trouble.
You don't seem
> > to speak from any experience. No need to be rude either.
> >
> > "michael" <michael@dddd_dogtv.com> wrote in message
> > news:iOOdneBg57M...@comcast.com...
> >
> >>
> >>dejablues wrote:
> >>
> >>>We live in the suburbs and have an acre of land, but on a
busy road with
> >
> > no
> >
> >>>fence (and no plans or funds for a fence). With a
not-too-bright dog
> >
> > that
> >
> >>>took over a year to housetrain, it was a constant vigil for
the next pee
> >
> > or
> >
> >>>poo, which he would refuse to do on a walk, btw. I know what
you mean.
> >
> > It
> >
> >>>added a lot of stress to my life.
> >>
> >>
> >>I wish I could relate. Maybe that's my problem, fans,
> >>I can't relate to people with dog problems? I am
> >>cursed with this unrelenting brilliance, such that I
> >>can't so much as conceive of what it must be like
> >>to be a dog owning moron
> >>
> >>I can't feel your pain
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>this is michael
> >>reporting live...
> >>http://dogtv.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Rich wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>As a city dweller, I find that the lack of backyard is a
killer. It's a
> >>>>lot more difficult to let him go potty, and there is no yard
to 'dogsit'
> >>>>him. Without a creative solution, the dog takes over your
life. I mean,
> >>>>one is constantly waiting to do the next walk!!
> >>>>True?!
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
>
The Puppy Wizard
"Alison" <ali...@Xallofus2X.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bv3uot$asa$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:KSdRb.1047$us4...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
> > As a city dweller, I find that the lack of backyard
> > is a killer.
As a dog trainer, The Puppy Wizard finds it's
MENTAL CASES like alison who are the killers:
"Owners Should Always Be Given The Cold, Hard
Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL GUILTY For
Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
That's what you told Valerie. Remember, alison?
Valerie had an aggressive dog that was turning
on her and her grand daughter and was fighting
with other dogs. You DO remember tellin her to
KILL her dog, don't you, alison?
Valeried CURED her dog's aggression in THREE DAYS,
alison, cause she didn't listen to you and your lying dog
abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE PALS who
HURT and KILL dogs and call that, trainin.
> > It's a lot more difficult to let him go potty, and there
> > is no yard to 'dogsit' him.
That's idiocy. The dog can be trained to relieve hisself
where you tell him to go and return in 2 minutes flat.
> > Without a creative solution, the dog takes over
> > your life. I mean, one is constantly waiting to do
> > the next walk!!
HOWER dog lovers have to walk their dogs
to keep them from destroying their HOWESES.
> > True?!
Pupperly handled well adjusted dogs don't
need excessive exercise to control themselves.
> Hi Rich ,
You got a PROBLEM, alison.
> It's not until you get a dog that you realise
> how hard it can be
THAT'S HOWE COME YOU LOCK YOUR DOG ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DOOR AND IGNORE IT.
> and it must be extra hard not having a yard.
You ignore your dog and spray aversives in
his face to keep him quite.
> I expect some dogs end up in shelters because of it.
Dogs end up in shelters cause people ABUSE
them like you do your dog, alison. Your own
dog has STRESS INDUCE AUTO IMMUNE
DIS-EASE, alison.
> In the UK, many rescues won't rehome a dog
> if there is no garden,
That's sheer idiocy.
> though some take each case on merit .
BWEEEAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
They let YOU take WON.. and you're MENTAL.
> I have a garden (yard) myself which is fortunate
> as Dibby my dog has collitis
Your dog has The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME
cause YOU ABUSE HIM, alison.
> and often has to go in the early hours.
CAUSE YOU ABUSE HIM.
> I wouldn't fancy having to take him into the
> street in me jimjams !
That would be disappointing.
> Alison
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\)
(Holm...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian who is a real
sweet dog with a few issues that I am working to resolve after
adopting her from a shelter she spent 2 years in. All I want
is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual. My dog has
ACTUALLY been responding to her training. The deal is you
have to seperate your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the manual what you
want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out of the whole Jerry
thing. I have to say the guy is pretty clever, you're letting
him get under your skin. It makes for a very amusing game I
think. I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't be playing
everyday. He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far, using the
Witts End, I have gotten my dalmatian to listen to me, to look
to me for direction, to wait for me to say when. I have
changed her from an aggressive dog to one who is willing to
please her owner, willing to listen, willing to assume her
role in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing into me, ok?
=============
----- Original Message -----
From: BNTD...@aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: "Owners Should Always Be Given
The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER
FEEL GUILTY For Having An Aggressive
Dog Euthanized," ALISON.
Dear Jerry,
It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.
Hunter is just doing so well even the people who
advocated putting him down are impressed with him.
I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me.
I told her to tell him what a good boy he is instead. Lo and
behold he stopped growling and I could do his nails. All 4
feet.
My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.
He even tried to kiss a child the other day. Major break
through. This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat
the kids through the fence. I can now take him in the car with
me again without him trying to chase cars through the
windshield.
So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog
training is Do No Harm.
The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking
the first rule.
Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by my
side where he belongs.
Thank you so much.
Kay
"Alison" <alis...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ad7n4p$ufmv0$1...@ID-80210.news.dfncis.de...
>
> Hi Valerie,
> It's kind of you to adopt an unwanted dog.
Yeah? It's UN kind of you to lie to Valerie, alison.
Seems Valerie is acquainted with Patch.
You're an official member of our Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Thug Cowards.
> I hope it works out .
Maybe with a little LUCK she'll be able to fix this dog?
> This is not something you can tackle alone.
You're a liar, alison. I told Valerie WE'D have her
dog trained in two weeks, and I'll STAKE MY LIFE
on it, alison. Just as I was willing to do with Nevyn's
two fighting female pbx's, alison. You remember
Nevyn, don't you? Took him 23 days flat to train
his 2 dogS NEVER to fight again WITH ANY DOG.
> This dog has issues.
NO. The dog is a dog. YOU got issues with dogs cause
YOU FEAR and HATE them for making YOU LOOK
INCOMPETENT and INFERIOR, and NOT IN CONTROL,
i.e., STUPID, alison.
That EMBARRASSES you. And Jerry makes YOU FEEL
GUILTY. Your GUILT makes YOU HATE YOURSELF.
But because you are a COWARD, you turn your SELF
HATE OUTwards, and BLAME JERRY for YOU being a
LIAR to cover up for the FACT that YOU'D KILL THIS
DOG as YOUR PAL tara o did to her DEAD DOG Summer.
I even offered Summer a PERMANENT HOWES with
me and my family, FOREVER. But Summer TRUSTED
YOUR PAL tara o, so she KILLED HER so's she
wouldn't VIOLATE SUMMER'S TRUST.
That's HOWE COME I'm dropping the hammer on you
and your Gang Of Miserable Lying Dog Abusing Thug
Cowards, alison. YOU'RE OUTTA HERE.
> It mustbe completely over whelming for a dog to be in
> a kennels for two years
You operate a kennel, alison? I've never seen what
you're saying to be true in my 40 years professional
experience...NEVER. You're a liar and a dog abuser.
YOU have dogs that develop problems in long term
boarding cause you're a dog abuser...not cause the
dog is kenneled.
> and then suddenly have to live in a society where
Where DOG LOVERS would HURT and KILL IT TO BE FAIR?
> she has forgotten the rules.
What rules, alison? We're talking about FEAR. The
SAME FEAR you and your lying dog abusing Thug
Coward pals are experiencing RIGHT NOW that
provokes YOU TO LIE in defense of your own
fragile ego, inferiority complexes, and to conceal
your weak mindedness..., alison.
You're TOO STUPID TO LIVE.
> She needs re-hab like prisoners do.
You need mental health treatment, alison. You got
a LYING problem, cause of your GUILT. This is a
SYNDROME going about the dog behavior industry
brought on by STRESS from Jerry PRESSURING
and doling out appropriate ATTRITION, as your pals
lying frosty dahl and sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon and professor lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE
dermer PREFER when their MISUNDERSTOOD
science FAILS them.
> Go back to the shelter and ask for help and advice.
YOU KNOW THEY'LL KILL HER OR LOCK HER UP AGAIN.
> Find out why the dog was there in the first place.
Oh? You want to socialize with the other dog abuser
who abandoned their dog when they couldn't HURT IT
enough to make it love and respect them, alison?
HOWE COME you're interested in the past? Today is
when we'll train this dog to be HAPPY and LOVE her
people for being NICE to her and encouraging her to
be kindly to other living creatures SHE doesn't understand.
YOU HURT AND KILL DOGS because you dog lovers
can't stop jerking and choking your dogs to force control
to keep everybody SAFE because YOU are AFRAID.
YOUR FEAR AND GUILT HAS DRIVEN YOU TO DISTRACTION.
> Ask your vet to give the dog a health check in
> case the dog is in pain .
Yes. We'll set the appointment for the day after I
projected we'll complete TRAINING. If the dog STILL
has this behavior problem in two short weeks,
we'll see the vet and have the dog KILLED TO BE
FAIR, alison.
Here's THIS DOG'S LAST CHANCE, alison and YOUR
INTENT is to MISLEAD Valerie into TRUSTING DOG
ABUSERS whom you know goddamned well CANNOT
train her dog and will teach her to HURT IT to force
control and when THAT scientific method FAILS AGAIN,
they'll ADVISE her TO KILL HER DOG!
TO BE FAIR.
What's so scary about Valerie working with Jerry? Well,
Valerie will PROVE Jerry's right AGAIN, and YOUR GUILT
will be EXPOSED AGAIN, and that will cause YOU great
PAIN, as you INTENDED to do to Valerie to SAVE
YOURSELF FROM THE NEEDLE.
You'd RATHER HURT and KILL dogs than admit that Jerry
is right cause Jerry's laying the BLAME for dead dogs
squarely on alison for condoning hurting and killing dogs
because they SCARE YOU because you FEEL you are
not in control unless you're HURTING them.
> Some illnesses or the thyroid can cause aggression.
We're not dealin with a sick dog, we're dealing with a
very GUILTY dog abuser/dog lover/dog hater/dog killer/
Card Carrying Lying Dog Abusing Gang Of Thug Cowards
member fighting to defend her MISERABLE reputation and
HER FEELINGS of GUILT for being a DOG KILLER.
And you've just proven it AGAIN.
> Call in a behaviourist
Have your goddamned behaviorist call Jerry and I'll TEACH
him HOWE to train this dog just like I'll train Valierie TODAY
to cure this problem in record breaking time without hurting
or killing her... alison.
> and ask him or her to come to the house.
To SEE the dogs fight? Didn't you read my post to
Valerie? Of course you did! If Valerie accepts my
offer she'll LAUGH at YOU alison, and THAT'S my
ONLY goal today... to make you look like a liar and
dog abuser as you do after you read my post to
Valerie and then read your post...alison DOG LOVER.
> Until you get professional help
You're the one who needs professional help, alison. You're
telling Valerie to see a dog abuser and pay him hundreds
to tell her NUTHIN but to HURT and KILL her dog after
he and the veterinarian surgically remove the OP's
bank account and take her kids piggy bank to haul off
the DEAD DOG they've trained AGAIN and your vet will
smile and say 'it's a wonderful job' and your behaviorist
will go to his HOWES and uncrate his dogs and let them
fight it out amongst themselfs cause he's just as feaful
and unknowledgeable as you and your pals here, alison.
And the vet will open a new file for your next puppy shots.
> back off from the dog and don't put her in stressful
> situation
You mean like holding her down on the exam table while her
vet KILLS her? Or hoding her down for the exam to see if
she should go see the behaviorist who'll tell her to HURT
her dog as Norman was told to do last month, alison.
YOU SEE THIS ALL THE TIME, and YOU SEE MY
METHODS CURE DOGS LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.
We'd think a dog lover like Alison would recommend
her to study Jerry's FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual and tell her Jerry is always available to
HELP and GUARANTEES he can rehabilitate this or any
dog in a few minutes over a couple of days...as he always
has PROVEN he does.
> and don' t let children and strangers near her.
Good idea alison. You'd think the OP woulda figgered that out
by herself... but probably not, considering who she's askin
for help...
> Don't force issues or confrontation.
Oh, that's gonna make you a dog lover? Cause you
don't OVERTLY HURT DOGS?
> The best thing to do for now is to
KILL THE DOG TO BE FAIR?
> withdraw from her .
To build her confidence.
> She will feel more comfortable if you don' t make to much of
> a fuss.
Right. Just ignore IT. That's CONTRAWISE to my Teachings,
alison.
> Don't look or stare at her.
HOWE COME? That's NOT what it sez in your FREE
copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual, alison.
> Tell your family to ignore her.
Good idea, alison. You're helping.
> This sounds like you are snubbing her
Yeah, don't it. You are. I wouldn't do that cause that's
CONTRAWISE to intelligent thinking and action, alison.
> and it's hard to do
Nothins hard for our dog lovers to do. You KILL dogs.
DON'T YOU, alison.
> but it's a natural action in the dog world.
Yeah? HURTIN and KILLIN DOGS is a rpdb CONVENTION.
> It helps her relax and relieves pressure
That's ABSURD! YOU'RE A IDIOT, alison.
> Do a search on the web about dog behaviour
You recommended a book that taught you HOWE
to know all about doggie talkie, alison. REMEMBER?
Just tell us HOWE your expert advises FIXIN this?
Our good friend dr ian dunbar WOULDN'T TOUCH THIS DOG,
HE'D KILL IT... tell him I said so and tell him we can discuss
this small matter. Better tell him to read Nevyn's thread
first, cause this makes FOUR dogs in about a month he'd NEED
to HELP by KILLING THEM TO BE FAIR cause they're all
committed dog fighters.
> or get some books from the library.
Our dog lovers recommend koehler. Ask ed w of pet loss dot
CON. eddie sez koehler is probably the worlds greatest
trainer.
> http://www.canismajor.com/dog/aggres1.html
Here's what's on that link"
"Owners should always be given the cold, hard facts:
they should never feel guilty for having an aggressive
DOG EUTHANIZED.'
THANKS ALISON!
Here's just one example from infopet:
"Prof.Mark Plonsky's Fabulous Site Dog..."
THAT'S our professor LYING DOC "SCRUFF SHAKE
and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer's pal?
WHAAAAT?
YOUR pal professor SCRUFF SHAKE killfiled YOUR
FORMER pal Marilyn, a thirty sumpthin years experienced
trainer for reporting my Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety
Technique INSTANTLY CURED her seriously destructive
SA student who was going to be returned to the SHELTER
he came from to be KILLED by your dog lover pals there
cause that's the 4th HOWES he's destroyed.
What do you say to that, DOG LOVER? HOWE COME you
don't just ASK "professor SCRUFF SHAKE" HOWE COME
he told people to killfile YOUR friend Marilyn, an excellent
trainer we all respect, JUST BECAUSE she's FOUND A CURE for
SA?
Seems professor SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO into
its face for 5 seconds dermer was in the middle of
RIDICULING my Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique
as INEFFECTIVE?"
NOPE. You'll do and say ANYTHING to cover up your GUILT.
Cause you ARE a DOG LOVER, and you KNOW you HURT
and KILL dogs that SCARE YOU, and Jerry tellin you about
it MAKES YOU CRINGE when you look at yourself in the
mirror, and you are now suffering a psychotic reaction.
ITS NORMAL alison. You're only a mere fragile human being.
Come and gone as a will o the whisp, leavin no EVIDENCE behind
to distinguish you from fish or foul.
THAT'S the BOTTOM LINE. Jerry maks our DOG LOVERS
FEEL GUILTY that they've hurt and killed their dogs trying
SO DESPERATELY TO HELP SAVE THEM FROM THE
NEEDLE!!!
Now comes Jerry with PROOF dogs can be trained out of
life threatening behavior problems in a couple days, often
ONLY ONE DAY. Certainly I'll make significant progress
in one week, and I get SCARED if I've got a student still
workin after three weeks, cause THAT TELLS ME I'M
OVERLOOKING SOMETHING!!!
Trainin dogs is EZ even from sittin right here STARK
RAVIN NEKKID 24/7 all over the WWW. And to add
insult to injury I do it all for FREE. And I'm gettin 100%
SUCCESS.
And if you think I'm lying, I'm willing to PAY YOU TO LEARN.
But ONLY IF you FAIL. Jerry's students NEVER fail. But
they got to do EVERYTHING JERRY SEZ, cause Jerry
is always right about dogs and ladies and kids...
> I've added this link about thyroid incase other people are
> intersted in reading it
I'd have no interest in the medical aspects of behavior
except when they cross the boundaries, and then I'm
the one to judge that, cause the doctor can't SEE the
dog's MIND and know HOWE he ticks...
> http://www.beaconforhealth.org/Thyroid-Aggression.htm
I've been HIGHLY impressed with the information on your
'medical' web site. See MY review of Summaries Of Articles
on Behavior... comin in about an hour to WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS.
Their research on aggression and SA clearly shows Jerry
is right. They have not a clue about SA or any behavior,
but their RESEARCH is scientific, and so long as our GENIUS
university guys do the OBSERVATION that I've done
over forty years by setting up experiments in laboratories
and clients HOWESES which ARE LACKING the proper
controls to insure a valid study... they're wasting their
effort.
They got no idea what they're doin, their PROTOCOL is
DEAD WRONG from the git go, and you WILL STILL SEE the
validation of my SASTT.
> HTH Alison
No. For me I don't got much use for Purdue and Cornell
tellin me the freakin obvious and trying to sell observation
as training and treating lack of self confidence with nilif
and corrections based training and treating handling issues
with tidbits prozac and euthanasia.
THAT'S HOWE COME I DETEST YOU, alison honey, cause
YOU PREFER THAT, than to BE FORCED to admit that
Jerry is right and it is YOU who are RESPONSIBLE for
HURTIN and KILLING OUR DOGS.
My methods and machine PROVE and speak for each other
independently, repeatedly, by anyone or another. Forever till
heel freezes over, regardless of weather; Yeah bitch, they'll
EVEN TRAIN FOXES GH's Sibes and Doxies so long as YOU'LL
JUMP when I say and sing when I ask, say HOWE HIGH MAY
I JUMP SIR with a salute and a snap, and sit up and beg my
permission to tell your mommy's and daddy's of my AMAZING
methods and CURES straight outta Heel, my DDR machine,
my MAGICK BLACK BOXES you'll tout... till heel freezes
over and EVERYONE KNOWS Jerry's WONDEROUS messages
versus and prose, incantations and curses to cut out the
HEARTS, of our dog lover RAT BASTARDS and perverts who'd FELT
they'd LOVE what they've HURT and WANT to KILL what they FEAR
or just KILL for their pelts, or just for fun being near while
training their dogs at ancient blood arts... to kill to be
fair, till all dogs are heeled of YOUR insanity, pain and
commands that are curses, and CEASE biding their death miserey
and hopelessness YOU'VE INTENTIONALLY DEALT your beloved DEAD
DOGGYS till Jerry got your number and pointed YOU out as THE
ONE who had done pulled all the stops out and PROVED IT by
lying about Jerry and RUSHED TO KILL FASTER and MOORE good
dogs just to cover your GUILT you see in your mirror.
Your mommy's and daddy's will look at their kids and ask what
the heel else Mr. Jerry can give? With dog lovers like this
and these are their kids, they got PURE LOVE to FEAR, their
own get will kill them for sure and no one can help, they'll
pull out their plug for convienience no doubt... like they do
to their doggy's despite Jerry's PROVEN methods and
GURARANTEED MAGICK BLACK BOXES they'd rather kill their BEST
DOGS and mistreat even foxes and curse Jerry forever for
blowin their covers as sadistic RAT BASTARDS, NOT DOG LOVERS,
RESCUERS, FATHERS AND MOTHERS.
Just say it, alison. Jerry is ALWAYS right... and you get the
Tshirt "I'll DO ANYTHING JERRY SEZ."
Now get the heel outta here till you get mental health
treatment. I've done all I can for you till YOU are ready to
LEARN HOWE TO HEEL properly as instructed... you know where
alison..
tellusHOWEtolearnHOWEtoHEELalison,
tellusHOWEtolearnHOWEtoHEELalison,
tellusHOWEtolearnHOWEtoHEELalison,
Just say it alison, it's not like you got to impale yourself
on a goddamned bloody cross like you did in the movie...
BWWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!
> "Valerie M. Holmes" <Holm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
> message
> news:vVAJ8.14474$LC3.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.n
> et...
> > I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian
> > from a no-kill shelter. She spent 2 years in the shelter
> > and naturally she has some socialization issues to
> > overcome. My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle
> > these issues. . . Any ideas out there?
Yeah. Our dog lovers were just on their way to another forum.
Weren't you, dog lovers? We'll introduce our new found friends
later. Right now our OP's got some studying to do before she
has an accident cause she won't know HOWE to handle her
lead to stop triggering her dog to pull if she's wastin time
with dog abusers who jerk and choke dogs. That's moore then
half of what gets IT angry.
Now if this sounds too unbelievable I'll just up the ante.
I'll PAY YOU $10.00 / hr to study with me, IF YOU FAIL.
Call or write for details and agreement: 1 888 WITSEND. Jerry.
j;~)
Nevyn writes:
Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with
your training manual! My two mutts have gone from
out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions
within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success
and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a
5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel
after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity
those fools who take their dogs to classes where the
"Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A
masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the
street who think they know how to train dogs!)
Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
================
Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.
Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.
Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn
Nevyn says:
How are you?
Jerry says:
sup?
Nevyn says:
Oh nothing
Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!
Jerry says:
fine
Jerry says:
tell me
Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't give a #@%
about other dogs
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
Yup
Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?
Nevyn says:
No
Nevyn says:
Praised them
Jerry says:
ahh!
Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better
Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears
at them and pours water on them
Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!
Nevyn says:
muahaha
Jerry says:
ok
Jerry says:
I'll go for that
Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if
you're consistent
Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them
Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends
Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath
Nevyn says:
muahahaha
Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind
teat?
Nevyn says:
eh
Nevyn says:
nah
Nevyn says:
cant
Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin
Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it
Jerry says:
why not.
Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server
Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would
prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?
Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't
already know, huh?
Nevyn says:
hah
Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die
Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much
Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now
Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?
Nevyn says:
pfftt
Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training
Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual
Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!
Jerry says:
hhahahahaha
Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING
you're wanting them to do?
Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.
Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and
LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs???
Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Nevyn says:
LOL
Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!
Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune
=====================
Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when
a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL
Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!
Nevyn says:
lol
Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.
Keep up the good work. j;~)
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From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior
View this article only
Date: 2002-03-01 03:15:50 PST
Hello
I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull
(behavioural) x Pug (don't laugh!).
They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and
they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One
is obviously dominant over the other, and I don't have a
problem with that, however;
Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good
whilst I'm walking them, some days they are not. They are 3
years old and have only been walking for about 12 months
because my mom didn't walk them and now I'm home so I walk
them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take them
to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake.
This is my problem :
The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we
walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap
when she does it, and treating her with treats when she
doesn't, using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays
stuff in her mouth when she barks.
She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]
Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when
the other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the
other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the
barking one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on
the leash... it is quite disturbing to the people walking
past.
And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them,
and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The
less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings
there dog to the park.
How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the
methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it
just a pac k-behaviour thing?
It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some
old lady's or little girl's dog.
They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other
dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying
around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up
trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went
straight to bed when I bought them home!). Can anyone help me?
Email me at my emails address, ali...@wasp.net.au coz this
list is tooo crowded.
Thanks,
Nevyn
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----- Original Message -----
From: <BNTD...@aol.com>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Cc: <Hull...@aol.com>; <brit...@yahoo.com>;
<cor...@thefelixfamily.com>;
<jam...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:50 PM
Subject: Head Hunter
> Dear Jerry,
> Just thought I would write to let you know how well Hunter
> is doing. He had been trained using the conventional methods
> for obedience. He had gotten used to a choker and a pinch
> collar. Alot of pain and a lot of jerking around. I had
> also tried using positive reinforcement methods that I had
> been trained in. He was so busy looking for the treat that
> he didn't really want to work. So I went back to using the
> pinch collar on him and also a gentle leader when we were in
> public. Slowly by degrees his behavior got worse and he did
> deserve his reputation as a vicious dog. The vet had
> recommended that he be put down. I was in a panic when I
> found your web site. Thanks! He is now the happy dog that I
> first started out with 5 years ago. I am a professional
> trainer and it was distressing to me that I could not help
> my own dog. I had been told that some dogs don't respond to
> any kind of training and that a vicious dog can never be
> trusted again. I disagree! Hunter is a sight hound and now I
> can take him with me and he doesn't chase cars as much
> anymore which is one of his main problems. We are working on
> the dog aggression thing. And I am confident that will be
> successful too. I also have your BIOSOUND machine and that
> too is working good. I know of several rescue groups that
> would benefit from it. This is rather long I know but it
> comes from the heart. My Head Hunter Green and I have
> together along time and have been through so much together.
> Thank you for helping me save his life.
> Kay Pierce
============
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BNTD...@aol.com
> To: jho...@bellsouth.net
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:22 PM
> Subject: Update
> Hi Jerry,
> Just an update to let you know how things are going. Hunter
> is doing really great thanks to you and your training
> manual. I cancelled the appointment with the new vet to get
> him re-evaluated for aggression. all weekend long I had kids
> run by the fence to try and make him bark. He didn't!
> Tonight we are going to PetsMart to work on his dog
> aggresion but even that is going good for him. I have less
> and less of a problem with him in my vehicle. He doesn't try
> so hard to protect it from the four wheeled monsters that go
> by. I think soon I'll be able to leave his window open when
> we go down the road and he won't try to jump out at the cars
> that go by. I have shared the manual with several dog owners
> that I know and even a group of dog trainers.
>
> Thank you again.
>
> Kay
==============
The Puppy Wizard
"Diana" <di...@dogstuffagain.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote in message
> news:KSdRb.1047$us4...@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...
>
> > As a city dweller, I find that the lack of backyard
> > is a killer.
Naaah. Not havin a back yard ain't a KILLER.
You want KILLERS? WE GOT KILLERS:
>>Lynn K. wrote:
>>
>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
>>one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
>>schedules and duties causes a great deal of
>>scheduling overhead.
>>
>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
>>volunteers get the meaningful experience that
>>they work for.
>>
>>Someone has to be responsible for that
>>Volunteer Program, and it is best done
>>by a non-volunteer."
>>
>>Lynn K.
>>---------------------------------
I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.
Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT?
> I live in the countryside (atm, they have plans
> to destroy it & cover our part of Essex with concrete)
Good for you, lush.
> and I am surrounded by fields, woodlands,
> meadows - every kind of walking you could
> want. I have a garden, but it is totally impractical
> to fence or make secure - so we don't use it for the
> dog - in the summer I might tether her by me while
> I am outside gardening,
CAUSE YOU CAN'T TRAIN YOUR DOG NOT
TO ESCAPE CAUSE YOU ABUSE HER.
> but I certainly wouldn't leave her there alone.
CAUSE YOUR DOG WILL ESCAPE CAUSE YOU ABUSE HER.
> When we chose our breed, *people needing*
> was a factor - which ruled out some more
> independent breeds.
Ahhh, you wanted a SUBMISSIVE dog.
> When I was looking for a rescue dog, 6 yrs ago,
> I had a lot of problems because they insisted on
> a 6' fenced garden. They didn't seem to understand
> that you don't *need* a garden if you are prepared to
> put the extra work in to compensate.
You mean, like trainin your dog to stay within the
perimeter of his territory in a few minutes of EZ
GENTLE work, lush?
> I am, and I do -
No you don't. You're a liar and a dog abuser, lush.
Open your door and you'll NEVER see your dog
again. She'll RUN HOWET ON YOU in a INSTANT.
MAYBE FASTER.
> and my pup certainly doesn't suffer for it.
You're a dog abuser and a MENTAL CASE, lush.
> Sure, for my convenience, it might be nice but I
> am just happy to have a fun little character in my
> life & if I have to put a little extra in for it,
You mean tie IT to your waist so IT won't ESCAPE
soon as she has a opportunity.
> that's fine by me.
Well, that AIN'T fine by decent NON MENTALLY ILL
people, lush.
> Diana
"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
> I do know she's not here with us. I really
> can't blame anyone here for her loss.
> I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did
> it because of how you write/wrote. I was
> unwilling to accept the idea that my using
> a shock collar could have any bearing on
> Peach not wanting to stay home.
> Up until I started using it my main concern
> had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
> Once I started using the e-fence...well, then
> my concern became how to keep them from
> running off for days on end.
> I lost valuable training time becoming
> embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
> the "Jerry sux" tirades.
> I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
> the world now <g>
> A Wits End Trained dog, one who is
> completely housetrained, doesn't chew
> up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark
> all the time.
> IOW a great companion and friend.
> Thanks Jerry!
=====================
"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence
> this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We
> now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence,
> not want to come back in the yard and would
> run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come
> back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn
> how to train my dog. She is now border trained.
> A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to
> stay in the yard.
> She no longer runs out into the road, I can
> stop her from chasing cats and she no longer
> cringes when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much
> I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't
> get a regular fence then you need to train your
> dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to
> keep my dog in our yard again.
> The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
============
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
The Puppy Wizard
"Rich" <Ri...@anon.com> wrote in message
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>
> It can't be the point for me since
Since you are not an obsessive compulsive
lying dog abusing medically uncontrollable
psychopath?
> I have many responsibilities.
Stay busy... it'll keep you from flakin HOWET.
> But I can see how it would be fun and worthwhile
> to let the dogs "take over your life."
No, being MENTALLY ILL is NOT FUN.
> Great that you serve the Greyhound cause!
INDEED? Here's your pal racetrack silly:
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.
> Best wishes.
She MURDERS 80% of the dogs she's HEELPIN.
Like HOWE her PALS do:
>>Lynn K. wrote:
>>
>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
>>one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
>>schedules and duties causes a great deal of
>>scheduling overhead.
>>
>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
>>volunteers get the meaningful experience that
>>they work for.
>>
>>Someone has to be responsible for that
>>Volunteer Program, and it is best done
>>by a non-volunteer."
>>
>>Lynn K.
>>---------------------------------
I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
you'd be singing a different tune?
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You can't cancel this:
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
> ================
Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.
"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.
In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.
If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.
Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."
END lyingfrosty dahl
Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something
you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."
Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says:
"I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit
of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the
article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON'T READ IT!),
there is NO mention in it of twisting ears (INDEED, SHE
PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES).
I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).
I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE'S A
PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to
ADMIT THE TRUTH???).
I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where
slapping a dog is anything but destructive."
RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff doesn't
mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama....
amy lyingfrosty dahl continues:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply.
REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG.
Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of
as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the
collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the
dog will give in
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.
Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear."
Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis.
If you are interested in purchasing a dignified stick to
lay across you puppy's arse, just send a personal check
or money order in the amount of $30-$40 for a 30"-40"
long whuppin stick.
These all natural hickory switches will outlast an
entire litter of puppies! MAYBE MOORE!! Supplies
limited, so HURRY! Be the first in your club to have
the hickory switch training aid guaranteed for the life
of your dog (which may be much shorter than nature
intended!).
Ask yourself: "HOWE COME DOESN'T JERRY
HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?"
And then just answer: "On AccHOWENT Of
JERRY KNOWS HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS
WITHOUT HURTING THEM."
And THEN SAY OUT LHOWED: "IGNORE
JERRY, HE'S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS."
You can get all the information you need to
PUPPERLY handle and train your dog using
non force, non confrontational, scientific and
psychological methods, in your FREE copy
of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual.
Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe,
The Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
> "sighthounds etc." <greypi...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
> news:l2eb105t4dlg2f1eu...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 19:27:38 GMT, "Rich" <Ri...@anon.com>
wrote:
> >
> > >As a city dweller, I find that the lack of backyard is a
killer. It's a
> lot
> > >more difficult to let him go potty, and there is no yard to
'dogsit' him.
> > >Without a creative solution, the dog takes over your life. I
mean, one is
> > >constantly waiting to do the next walk!!
> > >True?!
> >
> > I have a nice big securely fenced backyard, and my dogs have
taken
> > over my life. I thought that was the point.
> >
> > Mustang Sally
> >
> >
>
>