Miniature Dachshund Puppies For Sale
Evan Burnett
$150 -- $300 according to color and size. All puppies registered with AKC
and/or CKC.
Colors of the pups are 8 Black & Tan (1long hair),1 Red,1 Chocolate,2 Silver
Dapple
The weights of these dogs will range from 8 lbs to 13 lbs.
Please contact Evan Burnett @ 324-5584 / ge...@ece.msstate.edu
or Sha Burnett @ 256-9953
blac...@dog-play.com
: Have 3 litters to pick from.... 12 puppies in all. Prices will range from
: $150 -- $300 according to color and size. All puppies registered with AKC
: and/or CKC.
: Colors of the pups are 8 Black & Tan (1long hair),1 Red,1 Chocolate,2 Silver
: Dapple
: The weights of these dogs will range from 8 lbs to 13 lbs.
This ad does not contain enough information to tell whether it is
from a good breeder with poor advertising skills, the well meaning
but unknowledgable breeder, or the puppy mill breeder. Before
responding to advertisements it is useful to learn more about what
to expect from a responsible breeder, and how to best get a puppy with a
reduced chance of genetic disease, and one that has been well socialised,
and what questions to ask.
As a Dachshund breeder perhaps you could contribute to the group by
expanding on your information a bit. All the wonderful breeders I know
are eager to help people learn more about the breed, and what it takes to
produce a healthy litter of puppies. You could make a great contribution
to the breed by explaining here what questions a person should be asking
of a Dachshund breeder so that they can get a healthy and stable Dachshund
bred by a knowledgable breeder. It need not be long.
With a bit of thinking I bet you could explain all the necessary things in
a paragraph or two - or maybe you have more information than that to
share? It's pretty easy to find a poorly bred Dachshund with health
and/or temperament problems so people really need the information on how
to avoid those problems. Putting the information on what steps you took to
produce a great litter will educate those who are considering the breed,
interested in learning about the breed, and yes, even your potential
customers.
I can't help with specific information about the breed, only
with generalizations about how to identify a responsible breeder:
http://www.dog-play.com/ethics.html http://www.dog-play.com/badad.html
Oh - and try this one
http://www.erinet.com/ghost/ads.htm - its a good way to learn how to
evaluate puppy ads.
For those of you looking for "just a pet" please don't short change
yourself. You too are entitled to a healthy dog destined to live a long
life. http://www.dog-play.com/justapet.html
If you are willing to take a chance on health, and you don't care
whether the dog you get is a good representative of the breed, let me
encourage you to get your dogs from the same place I get mine - the animal
shelter (Tanith), breed rescue (Tsuki) and off the streets (Oso).
Diane Blackman
di...@dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com/
- - - - - -
"dogs confront people with the problem of deciding how far, if at all, our
moral responsiblities should extend beyond the taxonomic boundaries of our
species" "The Domestic Dog" ch 16, James Serpell
blac...@dog-play.com
: Actually, I'm not the breeder.
Yup, that would explain it.
: My mother Sha is the "good, knowledgable,
: responsible" breeder.
I'm relieved to hear that. It is so unusual for good breeders to have so
many litters available at once. It is also very ususual for a good breeder
to price by color in a breed in which color is not a primary
consideration. Still, it would be a shame for someone to pass up an
advertisment just because it was poorly done, or made the breeder look
less competent or knowledgable than they really are.
: I however am an Electrical Engineering Student and
: coincidentally the only one in my family with the internet access. Forgive
: my "poor advertising skills."
Oh, certainly. We wouldn't want someone to pass up a great breeding
because of poor advertsing skills.
: Now, the purpose in putting my phone # on the
: previous newsgroup post was for the people INTERESTED IN THE PUPPIES to call
: me or email me or the newsgroup and allow me to get their # so Sha can call
: them back and speak with them.
That works really great - once the person has learned what questions to
ask. I'd guess that the vast majority of people interested in the breed
would be puzzled as to what is missing, just as you were unaware of what
was missing. Since I'm aware that most people don't even know that there
ARE certain questions to ask I tend to put the information where they are
most likely to find it - right after an advertisement that doesn't provide
the information.
: Furthermore, I suggest to the other
: newsgroup readers if you are serioulsly interested in these puppies and
: would like further information about them contact my mother directly or give
: me your number and I will have her talk to you. If you have any more
: suggestions about my advertising skills please email me directly at
: ge...@ece.msstate.edu and spare the people interested in the pups the time of
: reading your suggestions.
I can't imagine your mother, being a responsible and knowledgable
breeder, would consider "sparing" people the opportunity to learn how to
distinguish her carefully bred puppies from the more common carelessly
bred puppy. One of the qualities of a knowledgable, responsible and
caring breeder is an intense interest in educating people that they have a
right to expect the breeder to take steps to avoid genetic problems, and
how to tell when a person has taken those steps.
If you go to buy a used car which is more important
to you - that it is red? or that it is in excellent mechanical condition
with complete maintenance records? It is the same for puppy buying -
which do you suppose is of greater importance to a puppy buyer - that the
breeder can offer a choice between red and dapple? or that the breeder has
taken specific steps to avoid the appearance of genetic problems in the
puppies? Unlike car buying, however, most people really don't know very
much about how to tell if a breeder has taken steps to avoid genetic
problems. Not much of a surprise since the majority of breeders are
similarly ignornant. That is one reason why problems are so widespread.
I would be most astonished if even 1% of the people reading the postings
would know to inquire about three generation clearances for elbow
dysplasia, patellar luxation, PRA, cataracts, diabetes and epilespy.
A few more people might think to ask about intervertebral disk disease and
other spinal problems. These are not useless things, but something that
is very important to sparing pain and heartache for dog and human alike.
Naturally a person may decide that it isn't important enough to them to
demand it of their breeder, but to make that a *decision* and a *choice*
the person has to first know what possiblities exist. Most people do not,
and the advertisement failed to so much as hint at steps taken to avoid
these problems, thus the need to suggest people learn about them BEFORE
contacting ANY breeder.
Another thing that is entirely new to most puppy buyers is the notion of
breeder ethics. For example, let's look at the code of ethics for the
Dachshund Club of America http://dachshund-dca.org/Code_of_Ethics.html
I bet most people would never have even thought of asking a breeder if
they subscribe to that code of ethics (or follow it even if they are not a
member) and they would be astonsished by provisions such as:
"To accept full responsibility for every dog that I breed. To sell on a
contract that ensures that I am contacted whenever the owner cannot keep a
dog at any time in the dog's life. To assist in the placement of the dog
or accept its return. As owner of a stud dog, to offer stud services only
to those breeders who accept full responsibility for what they breed."
Yet, this is what a responsible breeder does. Once a person knows that
such breeders exist they then can decide whether it is important to them
that the breeder THEY deal with takes steps to make sure their dogs never
end up in the pound, never become a burden on society. Once they decide
whether it matters then they can ask the breeder the relevant questions.
: Again, I apologize for the poor advertisement and thank you for the
: suggestion.
You are most welcome. Please encourage your mother to provide the
information to show the true qualities of these breedings. You posted to
a "breeds" group where bragging about the wonderful qualities of ones
dogs, and all the care and effort to breed wonderful fit and healthy dogs
is encouraged and applauded. The one thing that is discouraged is
advertisements that either are or appear to be offering "shelter fodder" -
dogs bred perhaps for love, often for money, but in any case without
attention to good genetic health and sound temperament.
Breeders are strongly encouraged to share their knowledge widely and
publicly to help create public demand for healthy dogs. The public has a
right to expect healthy dogs, and a right to expect breeders to take steps
to achieve that goal, and how to identify such breeders. Only when
breeders proactively educate people about these things can we expect to
make serious inroads into avoiding pain and heartache.
I'm touched and relieved to hear your mother is not one of those
accidentally contributing to genetic problems in the breed and I look
forward to hearing about the steps she has taken to work toward improved
genetic health. Should she decline to provide the information, at least
now people know what questions they should be asking of ANY Dachshund
breeder, and if they should be interested in a different breed to seek
similar information there. As a knowledgable and responsible breeder I'm
sure your mother fully encourages every effort to educate the public as to
how to appreciate her qualities as a caring breeder.
--
Diane Blackman
di...@dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com
To reach a goal you must set a destination.
Evan Burnett
Thank you for the serious inquiry.
It's the Continental Kennel Club.
Thanks again,
Evan Burnett
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Cris Waller wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:20:31 -0500, "Evan Burnett"
> <ge...@ece.msstate.edu> wrote:
>
> >Have 3 litters to pick from.... 12 puppies in all. Prices will range from
> >$150 -- $300 according to color and size. All puppies registered with AKC
> >and/or CKC.
>
> Is that CKC Continental Kennel Club or Canadian Kennel Club? It's a
> *very* important difference.
>
> The Continental Kennel Club is a scam registry. Please see
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/7197/faq.html for details.
>
> The Canadian Kennel Club is a reputable organization.
>
>
> Cris Waller
> Cr...@ix.netcom.com
>
> Fast Fourward Flyball Team
> www.flyball.com/fastfourward/index.html
> Flat-coated retriever art gallery
> http://members.tripod.com/antique_fcr/index.html
>
Puddysmomm
Evan Burnett wrote in message ...
>Cris,
>Thank you for the serious inquiry.
>It's the Continental Kennel Club.
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Evan Burnett
>
Well folks,I guess we now know what kind of "breeder" we're dealing
with...'Nuff said....
Rachel
Chadd E Schlotter
whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
Subject: Re: Miniature Dachshund Puppies For Sale
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:14:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu>
To: blac...@dog-play.com
Diane,
These pages do not need to be blasted with such information. I'm
sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however, these pages should
not contain such long and repetitious messages with insults and slander.
If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take it up
with him through his personal email account and not through the
newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including myself and
we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
Thank you for your consideration,
Chadd Schlotter
Evan Burnett
Only 3 of our 12 pups are CKC. The rest of the puppies are indeed
registered with AKC. I appreciate the only genuine request for knowledge
posted by Cris. The rest of you who seem to like "casting stones" before
you even know who it is your are talking about, really, you should get a
life and find something better to do.
Now, I welcome any serious inquiries about purchasing the puppies.
Otherwise, please keep your opinions to yourself. You know nothing about
me or my mother who by the way is the one who is selling these dogs.
And by the way, she doesn't have any access to the internet except through
me. IF YOU CARE TO ACCUSE OR MAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT "BREEDER'S
ETHICS", SHE WELCOMES YOUR PHONE CALLS. I PROMISE SHE CAN MORE THAN
DEFEND HERSELF.
So, Rachel if you care to be mature about this before you make any other
all knowing/judgement passing comments email me (don't post on the
newsgroup) and I'll put you in touch with my Mom.
Puddysmomm
Evan Burnett wrote in message ...
>Only 3 of our 12 pups are CKC. The rest of the puppies are indeed
>registered with AKC. I appreciate the only genuine request for knowledge
>posted by Cris. The rest of you who seem to like "casting stones" before
>you even know who it is your are talking about, really, you should get a
>life and find something better to do.
The ConKC is a registry that no responsible breeder would ever register
puppies with...I dont care if its 1 puppy or 20...
I actually have a life which includes working with animals 6 days a week,40
hours a day.So their well being concerns me.
Now, I welcome any serious inquiries about purchasing the puppies.
>Otherwise, please keep your opinions to yourself. You know nothing about
>me or my mother who by the way is the one who is selling these dogs.
This is a DISCUSSION NEWSGROUP...so my opinions are indeed valid.Perhaps you
should grow some thicker skin...
rec.pets.dogs.breeds is NOT a for sale newsgroup,so maybe you should have
read the FAQ's about this NG before you posted.
>And by the way, she doesn't have any access to the internet except through
>me. IF YOU CARE TO ACCUSE OR MAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT "BREEDER'S
>ETHICS", SHE WELCOMES YOUR PHONE CALLS. I PROMISE SHE CAN MORE THAN
>DEFEND HERSELF.
>
>So, Rachel if you care to be mature about this before you make any other
>all knowing/judgement passing comments email me (don't post on the
>newsgroup) and I'll put you in touch with my Mom.
>
My maturity is evident...I have not attacked you Mother's "person" (unlike
yourself towards me ),I question her responsibilty as a breeder to bring 3
litters of Dachshunds into this world at one time.
Lastly,do not send any replies to my personal e-mail...I only discuss these
matters in the group.
Rachel
Puddysmomm
Chadd E Schlotter wrote in message ...
>This is the original message that I just tried to send to Mrs. Blackman
>whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
>newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
> Diane,
>
> These pages do not need to be blasted with such information. I'm
> sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however, these pages should
> not contain such long and repetitious messages with insults and slander.
> If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take it up
> with him through his personal email account and not through the
> newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including myself and
> we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
>
> Thank you for your consideration,
> Chadd Schlotter
>
>
You are obviously new to this NG...or you are responding from a cross posted
NG.Not that Diane needs any
defending from me...She is probably one of the most eloquent and
knowledgeable persons in rec.pets.dogs.breeds.
She posts those large replies to offer information that people otherwise
would not attain on their own.Plus,she is offering to lurkers what to look
for in a good responsible breeder.
I saw no evidence of insults or slander....People involved in the "dog
world" are very passionate about their
beliefs ,and will do what they can to prevent more dogs from being hurt.
Rachel
Chadd E Schlotter
I don't know which of theses newsgroups you are checking, but I am
not a newcomer to the newsgroups of Mississippi State University, and
before you take up any more space on our news server, I would kindly ask
you to take your comments elsewhere and remove the two Mississippi State
servers from your replies. We would all 'Deeply' appreciate this. I
would also like to apoligize to everyone else in the rec newsgroup for
bothering them with this statement.
Chadd Schlotter
Cris Waller
Solaris Dobermans
You select which messages you want to read. I don't remember seeing
you as the person that all of us here must answer to. Please do not
try to make rules and regulations to Diane by telling her what she can
and can't post. You don't have to read her posts if it is of no
interest to you.
There are many here that absolutely approve of the way Diane tries to
educate the general public regarding puppy mills, back yard breeders,
and other unethical breeders.
Thanks in advance,
Kumiko
Solaris Dobermans
In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.990827...@ra.msstate.edu>,
Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> This is the original message that I just tried to send to Mrs.
Blackman
> whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
> newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
>
> Subject: Re: Miniature Dachshund Puppies For Sale
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:14:44 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu>
> To: blac...@dog-play.com
>
> Diane,
>
> These pages do not need to be blasted with such information. I'm
> sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however, these pages
should
> not contain such long and repetitious messages with insults and
slander.
> If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take
it up
> with him through his personal email account and not through the
> newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including
myself and
> we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
>
> Thank you for your consideration,
> Chadd Schlotter
>
>
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Cackee
<ge...@ECE.msstate.edu> wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Puddysmomm wrote:
>
>>
>> Evan Burnett wrote in message ...
>> >Cris,
>> >Thank you for the serious inquiry.
>> >It's the Continental Kennel Club.
>> >
>> >Thanks again,
>> >
>> >Evan Burnett
>> >
>>
>>
>> Well folks,I guess we now know what kind of "breeder" we're dealing
>> with...'Nuff said....
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>>
>>
>>
Hi there,
What state are you in? I just subscribed to one of the newsgroups
that this was posted in, and I can't seem to get anything from my
newsserver other than 3 posts.
BTW - what's the deal with that Rachel?
Thanks :)
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Puddysmomm
Cackee wrote in message <37c75e11...@news.mia.bellsouth.net>...
>
>Hi there,
>
>What state are you in? I just subscribed to one of the newsgroups
>that this was posted in, and I can't seem to get anything from my
>newsserver other than 3 posts.
>
>BTW - what's the deal with that Rachel?
>
>Thanks :)
>
What about me???Something you like to ask me personally???
Rachel
Denna Lasik
<ge...@ECE.msstate.edu> wrote:
>Cris,
>Thank you for the serious inquiry.
>It's the Continental Kennel Club.
Hooboy. Here we go...
Where are my asbestos shorts?
Denna Lasik
Duckin' and runnin'
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Puddysmomm
Chadd E Schlotter wrote in message ...
Well then kindly remove your comments from rec.pets.dogs.breeds if you dont
want to read my comments.
I am not the one who started cross posting to 5 different newsgroups.That
was thanks to the original poster of this thread.
Rachel
Denna Lasik
You know, Diane, you are my hero. No, seriously. I cannot imagine
getting that much information across, that eloquently, without once
resorting to insult or flame.
Denna Lasik
On 27 Aug 1999 22:04:17 GMT, blac...@dog-play.com wrote:
>I'm relieved to hear that. It is so unusual for good breeders to have so
>many litters available at once. It is also very ususual for a good breeder
>to price by color in a breed in which color is not a primary
>consideration. Still, it would be a shame for someone to pass up an
>advertisment just because it was poorly done, or made the breeder look
>less competent or knowledgable than they really are.
*Snippers*
Marla Belzowski
Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> This is the original message that I just tried to send to Mrs.
Blackman
> whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
> newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
>
> Subject: Re: Miniature Dachshund Puppies For Sale
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:14:44 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu>
> To: blac...@dog-play.com
>
> Diane,
>
> These pages do not need to be blasted with such information. I'm
> sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however, these pages
should
> not contain such long and repetitious messages with insults and
slander.
> If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take
it up
> with him through his personal email account and not through the
> newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including
myself and
> we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
>
> Thank you for your consideration,
> Chadd Schlotter
>
>
Quite frankly Diane does a great job of posting articles to make people
think before they do something silly, like make an impulse buy of a dog
over the internet.
Everyone should do their research on getting a puppy or new dog,
unfortunately few will take the time to do it correctly. Diane gives
you a great place to start to ask questions to both yourself and the
prospective breeders you will hopefully visit if you are looking into
geting a purebred.
As this is an unmoderated group, you are free to read the articles you
want to and comment as you feel necessary. However, just because you
don't like the answers doesn't mean eveyone else feels the same. I
like to see when someone finially learns what it means to be a
responsible breeder or learns what to ask when looking into a
responsibly bred purebred puppy.
Keep up the good work Diane...I don't have the time to educate the
lurkers and the newbies like I used too back so long ago when computer
time was an excuse not to do homework!
Hey Chadd, stick around and read on....you never know when you might
learn somthing new.
--
Marla Belzowski
& the LegendHold Collie Clan
Cris Waller
<ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> These pages do not need to be blasted with such information.
I think that we have some confusion here because this message has been
cross-posted both to dog groups and local groups. The "locals" perhaps
haven't been exposed to any controversy over dog breeding before,
where as to us it's old hat :>)
Many people are very surprised to learn that anyone might oppose some
"dog for sale" ads. After all, what's wrong with selling a few
purebred puppies to get back the cost of the mother and get a little
cash?
Unfortunately, there is plenty wrong, for several reasons. Please read
this through before reacting in anger or confusion.
Every day in the United States, hundreds of dogs are killed because
they have no homes. Hundreds of dogs are turned over to rescue groups
because no one wants them any more. And far too many owners take their
ailing pup to the vet only to find that it has an incurable genetic
disease that the breeder could have prevented.
These things are tragedies- tragedies that those of us who love dogs
work tirelessly to stop. And what is the root cause of these
tragedies? It's twofold- breeders who breed for fun or money or out of
ignorance, and dog buyers who don't take the tremendous responsibility
of dog ownership seriously.
Since we are discussing a "for sale" ad, I'll stick to the breeder end
of things.
Most people are unaware of the huge responsibilities that some dog
breeders assume. These are the responsible breeders; the ones who are
breeding because they truly love their breed and want to make it
better. They aren't breeding for cash (they usually lose money) or
because the kids want to see puppies born. This kind of breeder will
go to great lengths to ensure healthy puppies and to find good homes
for them. The average person hasn't met such breeders and is often
surprised to hear about them.
Responsible breeders breed only dogs that will improve the breed. They
don't just throw a male and female together, they make sure- through
independent assessments such as dog shows and performance events- that
the dogs they choose as parents are a credit to the breed. And if you
think about it, this is good thing. Each dog breed has qualities that
make it special, and if not carefully-bred, those qualities will be
lost.
Responsible breeders test all of their breeding dogs for any genetic
ailments common to the breed. If the dogs carry them, they are not
bred. For most breeds, hips and eyes need to be checked. Other breeds
need different tests.
Responsible breeders care for both mother and pups very well. The
puppies will be well-handled and socialized, and the mother will be a
loved pet, not a breeding machine. For this reason, responsible
breeders rarely have more than a litter or two every couple of years.
Raising puppies right is hard work.
Responsible breeders care about every animal they produce. Most
puppies are sold on limited registration, which means they cannot be
bred. The breeder will follow up on the pups for life, and will take
them back if the owner cannot care for them.
Now you may say "I don't want a fancy show dog. I just want a pet for
the kids." But think about it- which is going to make the better pet;
the carefully-bred, healthy, well-socialized puppy from the
responsible breeder, or the carelessly-bred pup raised in a kennel and
bred from non-health tested parents?
For those of us who read lots of dog ads, some phrases are tip-offs
that the breeder involved may be less than responsible. In this
Dachshund ad, for example, several things stand out:
-The breeder has 3 litters available. This may mean that the pups
aren't as socialized as they could be, and that the breeding principle
may be quantity rather than quality.
-The names and achievements of the parents are not given.
-There is no health-testing information.
-The pups are priced by color rather than quality.
-The breeder registers some dogs with the Continental Kennel Club. The
Continental Kennel Club is not a real kennel club. It was created by
poor breeders and is mainly used by unscrupulous breeders. Please see
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/7197/faq.html for more
information on the ConKC.
What we do not want to see is more Dachshunds turned over to rescue
groups or suffering from preventable genetic diseases. it is for this
reason that we question ads that appear to be from breeders who could
be more responsible.
> I'm
> sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however
FYI- Diane has only neutered mixed-breed dogs from rescues. Neither of
us a breeder.
Lynn Kosmakos
Evan Burnett wrote:
> Otherwise, please keep your opinions to yourself. You know nothing about
> me or my mother who by the way is the one who is selling these dogs.
What I do know about you and your mother is that neither of you
bothered to read the charter for this newsgroup or lurk (always
recommended) long enough to learn that commercial ads are NOT
welcome in this discussion group without all pertinent information.
Lynn K.
Nancy E. Holmes or R. Nelson Ruffin
and indeed I consider it a great good fortune that someone as intelligent
and eloquent as she managed to come to the conclusion that there really were
some responsible breeders out there!
Nancy
Puddysmomm wrote in message <7q7mtf$a92$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>Chadd E Schlotter wrote in message ...
>>whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
>>newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
>
>
>>
>> These pages do not need to be blasted with such information. I'm
>> sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however, these pages
should
>> not contain such long and repetitious messages with insults and slander.
>> If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take it up
>> with him through his personal email account and not through the
>> newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including myself and
>> we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
>>
>> Thank you for your consideration,
>> Chadd Schlotter
>>
>>
>
Lisa Baird
Puddysmomm wrote:
> You are obviously new to this NG...or you are responding from a cross posted
> NG.Not that Diane needs any
> defending from me...She is probably one of the most eloquent and
> knowledgeable persons in rec.pets.dogs.breeds.
> She posts those large replies to offer information that people otherwise
> would not attain on their own.Plus,she is offering to lurkers what to look
> for in a good responsible breeder.
>
And didn't Dianne get mentioned in a book about various wonderful web sites?
Don't recall if it was only animals sites, or more general, but I remember
browsing the book at a book store and know that Mary Jo Sminkey's Dogpatch was
in there, thought that Diane's Dogplay pages were as well.
And as far as Diane's e-mail address not being valid, I believe *I* have used
that address on her notes before and reached her...
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Lisa Baird
Haleakala Portuguese Water Dogs
Buckeye Region Agility Group
Dublin, Ohio
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lisa Baird
Evan Burnett wrote:
> Look, people... apparently my last post didnt' make it to the server.
> Only 3 of our 12 pups are CKC. The rest of the puppies are indeed
> registered with AKC.
Is there some reason one litter isn't eligible for AKC registration? CKC reg.
(ConKC, not the Canadian KC), usually means there was an ethics problem,
questionable parentage, etc. somewhere back the line. ConKC registration
really is meaningless. Anyone can register their dog as anything they wish,
even mixed breeds.
Mark Shaw
Evan Burnett <ge...@ECE.msstate.edu> wrote:
>Now, I welcome any serious inquiries about purchasing the puppies.
>me or my mother who by the way is the one who is selling these dogs.
DORK-O-METER
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"If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have
known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons." -James Thurber
Mark Shaw
> with him through his personal email account and not through the
> newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including myself and
> we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
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"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you
would stay out and your dog would go in." -Mark Twain
Chadd E Schlotter
Ok, will all the 'Save the Pups from the streets'/'I am a God in the
Breeding World'/'Dachshunds Keep Me Warm at Night'/'My ? Friend's name is
on here so I'll put my two cents in' people please read this:
YOU ARE POSTING THESE MESSAGES, NOT ONLY TO YOUR GREAT
REC.DOGLOVER/REC.DOGBREEDING/REC.WHATEVER NEWSGROUPS, YOU ARE POSTING TO
MSU.FORSALE AND MSU.GENERAL NEWSGROUPS WHICH HAVE NO NEED FOR YOU TO BE
WASTING OUR TIME BY HAVING TO SORT THROUGH THE NUMEROUS NUMBERS OF REPLIES
TO THIS 'DEAD' TOPIC. PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION ON YOUR REC SIGHTS
AND DISCONTINUE POSTING TO THE MSU NEWSGROUPS. I THOUGHT THIS POINT WAS
MADE CLEAR EARLIER BUT OBVIOUS 'SMARTER THAN THOU' PEOPLE HAVE NOT READ
ENOUGH. ONCE AGAIN, WE WOULD ALL GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. I
PERSONALLY AM ONLY SUBSCRIBED TO THE MSU.FORSALE NEWSGROUP AND DO NOT WISH
TO READ ANY MORE MESSAGES UNLESS IT PERTAINS TO BUYING AND SELLING ITEMS
AT MISSISSIPPI STATE UNIVERSITY.
By the way, this is the email message I just received from
solar...@my-deja.com:
On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, wrote:
> Dear Mr. Schlotter:
>
> I have NOT posted the Mississipi State Newsgroup. I have posted to
DejaNews $
>
> I personally don't give a rats' ass what you are policing.
>
> Kindest regards to you!
>
> --
Does anyone else on the MSU.FORSALE newsgroup see this man's message? I
think so. Thanks for trying though and gotta love that language.
Chadd Schlotter
Lisa Baird
Chadd E Schlotter wrote:
> YOU ARE POSTING THESE MESSAGES, NOT ONLY TO YOUR GREAT
> REC.DOGLOVER/REC.DOGBREEDING/REC.WHATEVER NEWSGROUPS, YOU ARE POSTING TO
> MSU.FORSALE AND MSU.GENERAL NEWSGROUPS WHICH HAVE NO NEED FOR YOU TO BE
> WASTING OUR TIME BY HAVING TO SORT THROUGH THE NUMEROUS NUMBERS OF REPLIES
Actually, the best way to encourage responsible dog ownership IS through
education. Since many of us end up taking in, or in other ways taking
responsibility for MIS breeders "littering", we DO have a vested interest in
educating potential pet buyers.
> DO NOT WISH
> TO READ ANY MORE MESSAGES UNLESS IT PERTAINS TO BUYING AND SELLING ITEMS
> AT MISSISSIPPI STATE UNIVERSITY.
>
Since the original message WAS aimed at selling puppies on the MSU new group,
these note certainly ARE on topic.
Jeff E. Haydel
Please refrain from continuing to comment on this topic within the
MSU.forsale newsgroup. This newsgroup is INTENDED to be a for sale
newsgroup, not a discussion newsrgoup. When you respond to this thread
PLEASE remove MSU.forsale frmo the list of newsgroups.
To particpants in rec.pets.dogs.breeds,
I apologize for posting this in your newsgroup but felt it
necessary in order to reach all current and possible future participants
in this thread.
Thank you,
Jeff Haydel
Systems & Networks
Mississippi State University
_______________________________________________________________
Jeff E. Haydel UNIX Systems Programmer
Department of Systems & Networks
Mississippi State University
Email: jha...@Ra.MsState.Edu Office: 117 Allen Hall
(662) 325-0741
http://www2.msstate.edu/~jhaydel/index.html
_______________________________________________________________
Marla Belzowski
Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
>
> Ok, will all the 'Save the Pups from the streets'/'I am a God in the
> Breeding World'/'Dachshunds Keep Me Warm at Night'/'My ? Friend's
name is
> on here so I'll put my two cents in' people please read this:
>
<snip>
So exactly who died and left you 'God of the Internet'/'Savior of the
MSU groups'/'Moderator of All Free Speach'/'Know-it-all of What
Everyone Else Likes to Read.'
READ THIS:
WE ARE ONLY USING THE "RESPONSE FUNCTION" TO RESPOND TO THE ORIGINAL
POSTER. HE IS THE ONE WHO CROSS POSTED THIS ON OUR NEWSGROUP AND
SEVERAL OTHERS. IF YOU GOT A BEEF WITH THAT, GO TALK TO YOUR FELLOW
MSU STUDENT AND TELL HIM NOT TO CROSS POST ANYMORE.
A lot of us can't even see where the cost post go.
Until then, maybe you should try to learn something about ITEMS FOR
SALE around the MSU Campus....
Especially when it comes to living animals. Campus Towns are notorious
for Students buy pets at the beginning of the school year (like now)
and dumping them at a local shelter like when Christmas Vacation rolls
around. They start all over again in January and dump the no longer
cute pet that Mom and Dad won't care for over the summer in a pound at
the end of the Year (like Next June) when they go home for the Summer.
I know, I've seen it. I started the Dog Training Club at Purdue
University to help cut down on this very thing.
People, like the original poster-via his mom, offer all kinds of small
(under 20 lbs) puppies at this time of year to students in apartments.
The whole premise is to make a quick buck selling a cute puppy to
students, who for the first time don't have mom/dad around to tell them
NO!
These types of people don't care if the dog ultimately ends up turned
out on the street, used in Frat/Sor Hazing, or turned into the local
shelter. As long as they get the $$$'s they're happy.
In the long run the puppies/kittens suffer and the rest of the
responsible dog community ends up cleaning up the mess, either by
rescuing these pets, euthanizing them, or sinking a lot of money into
them to spay/neuter and re-adopt them into appropriate homes.
I hope the rest of the Students at MSU are a bit more receptive to this
information than you obviously are. You sound like someone who's never
had to deal with truth or reality yet. Maybe you should take a moment
to stop by your local shelter and look at the animals in there.
Chances are 75% of them will be dead at the end of the week.
The more people that buy pets from people like the original poster, the
more people that breed these "disposable" animals and the cycle
continues.
Did you know that a lack of compasion for animals is a good indication
of a lack of respect for people? Did you know the failure to be
responsible for a pet indicates a very possible and potential failure
to be a responsible parent?
Chadd, I think your about to get one of the "real-life" lessons (my
suggestion is you duck out of the "policing thing" and let things be --
This tread will die out if you let it..the more you try to police it,
the more posts your going to get--Just a suggestion). I hope you have
thick skin and have grown up enough to handle it......so far, I'd say
your not....
I hope the rest of the MSU studens reading the FOR SALE group remember
what they read here and take the time to really think about getting a
pet. Remember, puppies take a lot of time and effort, not really that
unlike a human child. So if you can't immagine caring for a real HUMAN
CHILD right now with all your school work, class schedule, social life
after classes, you should really pass up a PET until your out of
school, out of the appartments, and have the resources and time to
properly care for a pet. Take it from a 28 year old College Grad that
has "been there and done that" and made it all the way thru without
having my beloved pets lost in the shuffle, I know what I'm talking
about here.
natalie.c
>
> Evan Burnett wrote in message ...
> >Only 3 of our 12 pups are CKC. The rest of the puppies are indeed
> >posted by Cris. The rest of you who seem to like "casting stones" before
> >you even know who it is your are talking about, really, you should get a
> >life and find something better to do.
>
> The ConKC is a registry that no responsible breeder would ever register
> puppies with...I dont care if its 1 puppy or 20...
>
> I actually have a life which includes working with animals 6 days a week,40
> hours a day.So their well being concerns me.
>
> >Otherwise, please keep your opinions to yourself. You know nothing about
> >me or my mother who by the way is the one who is selling these dogs.
>
> should grow some thicker skin...
> rec.pets.dogs.breeds is NOT a for sale newsgroup,so maybe you should have
> read the FAQ's about this NG before you posted.
>
> >And by the way, she doesn't have any access to the internet except through
> >me. IF YOU CARE TO ACCUSE OR MAKE ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT "BREEDER'S
> >ETHICS", SHE WELCOMES YOUR PHONE CALLS. I PROMISE SHE CAN MORE THAN
> >DEFEND HERSELF.
> >
> >So, Rachel if you care to be mature about this before you make any other
> >all knowing/judgement passing comments email me (don't post on the
> >newsgroup) and I'll put you in touch with my Mom.
> >
>
> My maturity is evident...I have not attacked you Mother's "person" (unlike
> yourself towards me ),I question her responsibilty as a breeder to bring 3
> litters of Dachshunds into this world at one time.
>
> Lastly,do not send any replies to my personal e-mail...I only discuss these
> matters in the group.
>
> Rachel
kennel club? Which continent?Here in england, we have the kennel club,
and in europe each country has its own kennel club. please enlighten
me.By the way, I am a licenced breeder (I have 2 litters a year)and
register them with the kennel club in england.
Mr. Vision
<marla_b...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> READ THIS:
>
> WE ARE ONLY USING THE "RESPONSE FUNCTION" TO RESPOND TO THE ORIGINAL
> POSTER. HE IS THE ONE WHO CROSS POSTED THIS ON OUR NEWSGROUP AND
> SEVERAL OTHERS. IF YOU GOT A BEEF WITH THAT, GO TALK TO YOUR FELLOW
> MSU STUDENT AND TELL HIM NOT TO CROSS POST ANYMORE.
Let me tell everyone in the dog groups now: please don't cross post to
non-relevant groups. Look at your 'newsgroups' header first.
> A lot of us can't even see where the cost post go.
Sheesh. Even AOL's software lets you do that.
> Especially when it comes to living animals. Campus Towns are notorious
> for Students buy pets at the beginning of the school year (like now)
> and dumping them at a local shelter like when Christmas Vacation rolls
> around.
The dorms and 99% of the apartments here don't allow pets.
> I hope the rest of the MSU studens reading the FOR SALE group remember
> what they read here and take the time to really think about getting a
> pet.
Such concern for animal welfare is great and everything, but it doesn't
fit in the charter for the forsale newsgroups.
[MSU groups trimmed.]
--
The C.O.D. / John Turpin / <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
"If i had better equipment, i could do more damage." -- Ashleigh Brilliant
Thomas Price
> READ THIS:
>
> WE ARE ONLY USING THE "RESPONSE FUNCTION" TO RESPOND TO THE ORIGINAL
> POSTER. HE IS THE ONE WHO CROSS POSTED THIS ON OUR NEWSGROUP AND
> SEVERAL OTHERS. IF YOU GOT A BEEF WITH THAT, GO TALK TO YOUR FELLOW
> MSU STUDENT AND TELL HIM NOT TO CROSS POST ANYMORE.
>
Ok. No need not to shout. There's absolutely no reason for you to try to
prove you're the biggest jerk in the conversation. Just please, please,
stop cross-posting in your replies to msu.*. Yes, Evan started it all, and
yes, you were all just responding. However, the traffic on the msu.forsale
newsgroup has had 13 messages last week actually selling something, and 43
responses to this ill-advised cross-posting.
Please edit the groups being responded to so as to limit the discussion to
the rec.pets.dogs.* groups.
Thanks.
Tom
Thomas Price
Evan - Don't ever cross-post anything again. When I lecture my freshman
students on the evils of cross-posting, this is going to be one of my prime
examples. If you do this again, I'm going to track you down and give you a
stern lecture.
Readers of rec.pets.dogs.* - Please try not to reply to msu.*. Yes, Evan
started all this, and yes, you are all just replying to the original message.
However, I am certain that your newsreader will let you reply only to certain
newsgroups. Last week, msu.forsale got 14 messages for items genuinely for
sale (including the original message in this thread), which was an inordinately
large number because of the beginning of the semester. There were 42 replies to
this message from other newsgroups. Please, please, please, confine the debate
on the merits of Evan's mom's breeding practice to rec.pets.dogs.*
BTW, this does explain the rather lengthy post of Diane's explaining what's
wrong with all this. It really didn't fit in with the other kinds of messages
this group gets.
Tom Price
Evan Burnett wrote:
> Have 3 litters to pick from.... 12 puppies in all. Prices will range from
> $150 -- $300 according to color and size. All puppies registered with AKC
> and/or CKC.
>
> Colors of the pups are 8 Black & Tan (1long hair),1 Red,1 Chocolate,2 Silver
> Dapple
>
> The weights of these dogs will range from 8 lbs to 13 lbs.
>
> Please contact Evan Burnett @ 324-5584 / ge...@ece.msstate.edu
> or Sha Burnett @ 256-9953
tibbi
You stop cross posting first you idiot.
In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.990828...@ra.msstate.edu>,
Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> Ok, will all the 'Save the Pups from the streets'/'I am a God in the
> Breeding World'/'Dachshunds Keep Me Warm at Night'/'My ? Friend's name is
> on here so I'll put my two cents in' people please read this:
>
> YOU ARE POSTING THESE MESSAGES, NOT ONLY TO YOUR GREAT
> REC.DOGLOVER/REC.DOGBREEDING/REC.WHATEVER NEWSGROUPS, YOU ARE POSTING TO
> MSU.FORSALE AND MSU.GENERAL NEWSGROUPS WHICH HAVE NO NEED FOR YOU TO BE
> WASTING OUR TIME BY HAVING TO SORT THROUGH THE NUMEROUS NUMBERS OF REPLIES
> TO THIS 'DEAD' TOPIC. PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION ON YOUR REC SIGHTS
> AND DISCONTINUE POSTING TO THE MSU NEWSGROUPS. I THOUGHT THIS POINT WAS
> MADE CLEAR EARLIER BUT OBVIOUS 'SMARTER THAN THOU' PEOPLE HAVE NOT READ
> ENOUGH. ONCE AGAIN, WE WOULD ALL GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. I
> PERSONALLY AM ONLY SUBSCRIBED TO THE MSU.FORSALE NEWSGROUP AND DO NOT WISH
> TO READ ANY MORE MESSAGES UNLESS IT PERTAINS TO BUYING AND SELLING ITEMS
> AT MISSISSIPPI STATE UNIVERSITY.
>
> By the way, this is the email message I just received from
> solar...@my-deja.com:
>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, wrote:
>
> > Dear Mr. Schlotter:
> >
> > I have NOT posted the Mississipi State Newsgroup. I have posted to
> DejaNews $
> >
> > I personally don't give a rats' ass what you are policing.
> >
> > Kindest regards to you!
> >
> > --
>
> Does anyone else on the MSU.FORSALE newsgroup see this man's message? I
> think so. Thanks for trying though and gotta love that language.
>
> Chadd Schlotter
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Mark Shaw wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.990827...@ra.msstate.edu>,
> > Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> > > If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take it up
> > > with him through his personal email account and not through the
> > > newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including myself and
> > > we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
> >
> >
> > DORK-O-METER
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> > |
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw
> > =======================================================================
> > "Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you
> > would stay out and your dog would go in." -Mark Twain
> >
> >
--
providing entertainment for small-minded gossipers since 1998
tibbi
In article <7q7mtf$a92$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Puddysmomm"
<puddy...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Chadd E Schlotter wrote in message ...
> >This is the original message that I just tried to send to Mrs. Blackman
> >whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
> >newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
>
>
> > Diane,
> >
> > These pages do not need to be blasted with such information. I'm
> > sure you are a very knowledgeable dog breeder, however, these pages should
> > not contain such long and repetitious messages with insults and slander.
> > If you have a personal problem with Mr. Burnett I suggest you take it up
> > with him through his personal email account and not through the
> > newsgroup. These newsgroups are read by many people including myself and
> > we do not wish to read the bickerings of two people.
> >
> > Thank you for your consideration,
> > Chadd Schlotter
> >
> >
>
> You are obviously new to this NG...or you are responding from a cross posted
> NG.Not that Diane needs any
> defending from me...She is probably one of the most eloquent and
> knowledgeable persons in rec.pets.dogs.breeds.
> She posts those large replies to offer information that people otherwise
> would not attain on their own.Plus,she is offering to lurkers what to look
> for in a good responsible breeder.
>
> I saw no evidence of insults or slander....People involved in the "dog
> world" are very passionate about their
> beliefs ,and will do what they can to prevent more dogs from being hurt.
>
> Rachel
it's cute when a clueless newbie like this chad tries to lecture people he
doesn't know anything about.
perhaps the newbie chad will take the time to find out what is going on in
the rest of world before trying to lecture anyone else.
Anyways, I'm glad that Diane's knowledge posts are being sent to people
who haven't a clue about even the concepts of responsible dog breeding.
That's it's not a "good thing" to just breed any two dogs and post
"puppies for sale" ads to the world.
Too many people are so clueless about responsible dog ownership, let along
the concept of responsible breeding.
Of course, maybe chad is other irresponsible dog breeder, so then he
wouldn't want people educated. It could cut into his future profit
margins.
Lisa Baird
Thomas Price wrote:
> this message from other newsgroups. Please, please, please, confine the debate
> on the merits of Evan's mom's breeding practice to rec.pets.dogs.*
>
Where those in danger of buying ill bred puppies, and rewarding what most certainly
appears to be an uneducated (at best) backyard breeder, will not se it. Yeah, that's
productive.
Chadd E Schlotter
but I thought I should also post it to your newsgroups to try and end some
of this. If I have offended anyone with my postings I apologize. The
point of my postings was not to throw insults or stones around but to make
people aware that the cross posting was occuring and to ask them to please
stop it. The way I tried to do this was very wrong and by no means
represents the students of the university. In the future, my tone will be
kept in mind while responded to this and other newsgroups. The
Dork-O-Meter was very cute though :) Seriously, this whole thing has
escalated way out of control and I apologize for my part of that. Most of
the cross posting has stopped and I appreciate the users of this newsgroup
for that. I will not take up any more space but I hope everyone,
including Mr. Burnett, the originator of this great weekend time spender,
has learned a valueable lesson in cross-posting and the confusion that
stems from it.
Thanks you for your time,
Chadd Schlotter
Marla Belzowski
Thomas Price <tpr...@engr.msstate.edu> wrote:
> Marla Belzowski wrote:
>
> > READ THIS:
> >
> > WE ARE ONLY USING THE "RESPONSE FUNCTION" TO RESPOND TO THE ORIGINAL
> > POSTER. HE IS THE ONE WHO CROSS POSTED THIS ON OUR NEWSGROUP AND
> > SEVERAL OTHERS. IF YOU GOT A BEEF WITH THAT, GO TALK TO YOUR FELLOW
> > MSU STUDENT AND TELL HIM NOT TO CROSS POST ANYMORE.
> >
>
> Ok. No need not to shout. There's absolutely no reason for you to
try to
> prove you're the biggest jerk in the conversation.
This type of reply to me will only encourage me to continue with the
the tread.
If you will review the messages, apparently the only way to get though
to your MSU students, especially Chadd, is to reply in kind. I and the
rest of the rec.pets groups have been quite tame in the responses to
the original poster compared to the all out flame wars that normally
rage over this type of posting.
Quite frankly, since I read the posting by Mr. Vision aka J. Turpin
(which was after my last post), I have not posted to your newsgroups.
However, if you or your students insist on publicly insulting me, I
will continue to defend myself and my position and I hope that the rest
of those you intend to offend in a similar manner will reply in kind.
This is a two way street here. Leave it alone and it will die...stoke
the fire and it will continue to burn...
You just stoked it...
> Just please, please,
> stop cross-posting in your replies to msu.*. Yes, Evan started it
all, and
> yes, you were all just responding. However, the traffic on the
msu.forsale
> newsgroup has had 13 messages last week actually selling something,
and 43
> responses to this ill-advised cross-posting.
Sorry, if you can't handle the traffic, perhaps you should close off
your MSU usegroups to registered users. I believe Cindy suggested this
to you and you don't want to close off your usenet to local users. OK,
your choice. The WWW makes Siberia and Australia "local".
>
> Please edit the groups being responded to so as to limit the
discussion to
> the rec.pets.dogs.* groups.
>
> Thanks.
> Tom
>
>
I believe I have, until this post.
Don't reply to it and I'll leave your newgroups alone.
cha...@my-deja.com
this one.
kimkimkimkim
to'... i only know that it is a reply.. is there a way to check?
OldDog1
Thomas Price wrote in message <37C9C400...@engr.msstate.edu>...
>
>
>Ok. No need not to shout. There's absolutely no reason for you to try to
>prove you're the biggest jerk in the conversation.
Oh YEAH the above is going to get folks to stop crossposting , sure it is.
>
>Please edit the groups being responded to so as to limit the discussion to
>the rec.pets.dogs.* groups.
>
Edit your own so they stay in the msu groups. And tell him to keep his
puppy
peddling antics elsewhere.
Cari & Paul
way to educate people. I applaud her and enjoy reading her well thought out
and intelligent posts.
Just my 2 cents
Cari
Chadd E Schlotter wrote:
> This is the original message that I just tried to send to Mrs. Blackman
> whose email addresses are invalid. Please remember that this is a
> newsgroup and not a boxing ring.
>
> Subject: Re: Miniature Dachshund Puppies For Sale
> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:14:44 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Chadd E Schlotter <ce...@Ra.MsState.Edu>
> To: blac...@dog-play.com
>
Amy Anne Ward
hehe... i, personally, am quite amused with the whole bit here
by the time its over, i might have seen and heard it all!
it kinda reminds me of my mom... who just *loves* to keep a fight going.
keep 'em rolling folks!
vive le quebec
Marla Belzowski
saying
<snip>
> Thanks you for your time,
> Chadd Schlotter
>
>
Yes, he did...And I have in turn appoligized to him about using up
network space with all my posting (now that I found up where I could
remove the cross posting). I also let him know quite a few of us were
tring to make sure that everyone one else knew were to see cross posts
for the future. Hopefully, this will solve both of our group's
problems.
Thanks Cindy...I know you've been working a bunch "off the screen" to
get to the bottom of this! ;)
Chadd has totally redeemed himself in my eyes...(This man's gotta
bright future I think!)
However there are a few "staff members" at MSU that need to get a life.
If they continue to privately e-mail me "trash talk" I'll become a spam
hunter myself, and what I set out to do...I normally sink my teeth into
like one of those notorious APBT (Just kidding guys about the pitt bull
thing, not the spam hunter thing...!).
Cheers!
--
Marla Belzowski
& the LegendHold Collie Clan
Puddysmomm
natalie.c wrote in message <37C984...@xoommail.com>...
>I hardly dare to respond, but I will anyway. What is the continental
>kennel club? Which continent?Here in england, we have the kennel club,
>and in europe each country has its own kennel club. please enlighten
>me.By the way, I am a licenced breeder (I have 2 litters a year)and
>register them with the kennel club in england.
The Continental Kennel Club is a *club*(the word I use lightly),that allows
anyone and everyone who breeds or not to "register" their dogs.Mixed
breeds,newly "invented breeds" doesn't matter.They have no health or testing
regulations,no ethics,nothing...They are primarily used by puppy mill
breeders and backyard breeders who just pump out puppies for the all mighty
dollar instead of trying to breed the best that they can.
Rachel
