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Gordon Kienast

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Jun 5, 2004, 7:26:22 PM6/5/04
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My dog, a cairn terrier, recently stopped eating (about four days now). She
is a one year old. I plan on bringing her to the vet, but thought that
perhaps it could just be her new flea collor, or the food (Science Diet,
which she always has eaten), or something else simple. Paying the vet gets
expensive, so I thought I'd ask and see if there is anything I could try
before going to the vet. She will eat a dog biscuit if I give her one, but
won't go near her bowl anymore? She drinks some water, but not too much.
Before she stopped eating, she seemed to be constipated. Help! Thanks!


Rocky

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Jun 5, 2004, 8:35:14 PM6/5/04
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Gordon Kienast said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

Four days is beyond my upper limit of a dog not eating before
I'd see the vet, epsecially with such a young dog.

Anyway - any other symptoms, like vomitting or lethargy? For a
start, I'd remove the flea collar. Also, try feeding her boiled
chicken with plain white rice.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Gordon Kienast

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Jun 5, 2004, 9:18:07 PM6/5/04
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Thanks for your reply. This morning, she vomited a small amount after
chewing on some grass in the back yard. She seems full of energy still
though, and still wrestles with the cat like she is not sick or anything. I
thought she was perhaps eating the newspapers in her kennel (because she
shreds them). I guess I should just take her in now.

What is the chicken and rice thing do, just for nourishment?

Thanks again,

Gordon

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Rocky

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Jun 5, 2004, 9:42:18 PM6/5/04
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Gordon Kienast said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> What is the chicken and rice thing do, just for nourishment?

That, and to see if she's interested in eating anything aside
from the biscuits. Plain chicken and rice is also easy on the
digestion system.

Gordon Kienast

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Jun 5, 2004, 10:07:30 PM6/5/04
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Well, she loved the chicken and rice. I don't know what that means, but
after a bath, kennel cleaning, removed the flea collar, maybe she's going to
be okay. I think I'll give her another day because it's late here now
anyway. I think I'm going to keep the newspaper out of here kennel at night
too.

Thanks for your time and advice.

Kind Regards,

Gordon

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Rocky

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Jun 5, 2004, 10:19:38 PM6/5/04
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Gordon Kienast said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> Well, she loved the chicken and rice. I don't know what


> that means, but after a bath, kennel cleaning, removed the
> flea collar, maybe she's going to be okay.

That's great to hear! I wouldn't feed her the chicken and rice
for more than a few days because it's not balanced. You might
want to look into an alternative kibble.

Gordon Kienast

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Jun 5, 2004, 10:48:51 PM6/5/04
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I've got a good feeling about her now. She jumped up on the couch here next
to me, and seems really content for the moment. I wonder if it was the
chemicals in her flea collar... or a combination of that and a (shame on me)
slightly dirty kennel plus not having a bath in about ten days and all. Any
thoughts on the flea collar? If you happen to have the time to answer,
great... thanks for your help.

Gordon

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Rocky

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Jun 5, 2004, 11:11:01 PM6/5/04
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Gordon Kienast said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> I wonder if it was the


> chemicals in her flea collar... or a combination of that
> and a (shame on me) slightly dirty kennel plus not having a
> bath in about ten days and all. Any thoughts on the flea
> collar?

Combinations of stuff causing some sort of reaction is a
reasonable consideration. Since the flea collar was the most
recent change in your dog's lifestyle, it makes sense to find an
alternative way of dealing with fleas - I have nothing further
to offer in this area, there are no fleas where I live.

I'm happy to have helped you with forming questions for your
vet.

The Puppy Wizard

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Jun 5, 2004, 11:27:18 PM6/5/04
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If your dog is suddenly not eating and
not acting right chances are it AIN'T on
accHOWENT of he don't like his food.

Could be that flea collar is poisoning him.

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The Puppy Wizard

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Jun 5, 2004, 11:29:08 PM6/5/04
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Couldn't be the dirty kennel or
not havin a bath for a couple
weeks.

Maybe she was just holding HOWET for
chicken? OR it could be her flea collar
is poisoning her.

Perhaps professor SCRUFF SHAKE knows
all abHOWET that?


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Jo Wolf

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Jun 6, 2004, 12:48:01 AM6/6/04
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You will get MUCH better flea control with Frontline or Advantix than
with a flea collar, and either is much safer.

And my dogs would go on strike and picket my front door if I gave them a
bath every two weeks, even if they had rolled in something terribly
rank. Brushing and combing, with a wiping with a damp terry towel with
about every swipe of the brush removes the dust. Brush every direction,
not just in the direction the hair grows.

I've had Border Terriers for 20 years, and have had two that were very
persnickety about what foods they would and wouldn't eat for an extended
period. There's one well known and heavily used dry food that they've
All stopped eating, usually in the middle of the third bag purchased.
<grin>

As most terriers will eat anything that doesn't eat them first, I'm off
to the vet on the third day of little or no food. Sooner if there is
vomiting more than 3-5 times in a day.

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

Spot

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Jun 6, 2004, 10:06:23 PM6/6/04
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I tend to agree with Rocky that it's probably the flea collar. On some dogs
they are ok but others they can make really sick. When growing up we had a
chi hua hua/terrior mix who was severly allergic to any type of flea collar.
They would make her eyes swell and her breathing heavy.

At your next vet visit I would ask the vet about flea treatment and make
sure you explain what happened when you tried a flea collar and what brand
it was. Just because she had a reaction to the collar doesn't mean that you
won't be able to use any flea treatment you just may have to be more
selective in what you use.

I personally don't use flea treatment on my dogs unless they get fleas.
When they do get fleas I give each dog and all 3 cats 1 treatment of
Frontline Plus which usually does the trick. I'm fortunate that Barney is
the flea barometer in this house. Just one bite and he's scratching himself
like crazy so I know right away he has fleas so we always catch them early.

The only monthly treatment my dogs get is heartworm medication. I urge you
to make sure you get your dog on heartworm medication as soon as she's old
enough. It's an awful way for a dog to die and if they don't die from the
worms they can die from the treatment to get rid of them if they become
infected. It's money well spent!!!

Celeste


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Rocky

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Jun 6, 2004, 10:25:28 PM6/6/04
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Spot said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

> The only monthly treatment my dogs get is heartworm
> medication. I urge you to make sure you get your dog on
> heartworm medication as soon as she's old enough. It's an
> awful way for a dog to die and if they don't die from the
> worms they can die from the treatment to get rid of them if
> they become infected. It's money well spent!!!

While I agree that it's a good idea to give HW medication in
many parts of the world, it's not necessary in some areas, mine
for example. Working with my vet, I tend towards giving the
fewest medications and vaccinations possible.

Gordon Kienast

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Jun 6, 2004, 10:52:25 PM6/6/04
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I guess I am a real novice when it comes to fleas. I've always used fleas
collars, and I don't know, but I don't think any of my dogs have ever had
fleas... I say this because I thought fleas were a really big deal, that the
whole house would become infested... perhaps this is a big misconception. I
thought I was doing something good with the flea collar, but it sounds like
there are real potential hazards with the chemicals. I do give her heart
worm pills monthly.

As far as the frequent baths, ...she goes potty in the kennel at night about
every third night. I can't seem to break her of that (any advice would be
welcome). And, she seems to be miserable when she smells like that. I wish
I could figure out how to get her to stop the accidents in the kennel
entirely, but I don't know how. So, shes gets more baths then any of my
other dogs ever have... but she seems to be getting to enjoy the extra
attention now.


Sharon too

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Jun 7, 2004, 12:59:15 AM6/7/04
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> I guess I am a real novice when it comes to fleas. I've always used fleas
> collars,

Flea collars are great for keep fleas away from the neck. They may jump off
the dog but they host on you! I find the only good use for one is in the
vacuum cleaner bag. Maybe your area just isn't dense with fleas.


> As far as the frequent baths, ...she goes potty in the kennel at night
about
> every third night. I can't seem to break her of that (any advice would be
> welcome). And, she seems to be miserable when she smells like that. I
wish
> I could figure out how to get her to stop the accidents in the kennel
> entirely, but I don't know how. So, shes gets more baths then any of my
> other dogs ever have... but she seems to be getting to enjoy the extra
> attention now.

You may want to put a small dish of kibble in with her. Just a bit. Most
dogs won't soil where they eat.

-Sharon

>
>


Jo Wolf

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Jun 7, 2004, 2:38:25 PM6/7/04
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Yes, if your dog brings fleas inside, they do infest the house. The
climate and neighborhood influence how much of a problem fleas will
likely be.. The new products that are applied to the dog are much safer
than the chemicals in the collars... as well as more effective.

I feed my dogs in their crates as a routine thing. This is very helpful,
as this is how they are fed at the vet's or a boarding kennel. And when
I travel, they are not only eating out of their usual bowls, but are
eating in the most familiar place.

Well, set your alarm for the mid-point of your sleep time, get up and
take her out, on leash, to "go", then right back into her crate.
Between the middle-of-the-night potty break and feeding in the crate,
she'll be clean at night as soon as she gets past this phase. But do
get her checked for a urinary tract infection!

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

J1Boss

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Jun 8, 2004, 7:54:08 AM6/8/04
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>I wish
>I could figure out how to get her to stop the accidents in the kennel
>entirely, but I don't know how.

Take the newspapers out! No absorbent material of any kind!

Janet Boss
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http://photos.yahoo.com/bestfriendsobedience

Jade

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Jun 9, 2004, 8:57:29 PM6/9/04
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Also, please don't leave her in for more than 8hrs at a time!!!
:0)
Jade, with Kelsey Keeshond, 15weeks.


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The Puppy Wizard

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BWEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

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Gordon Kienast

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Jun 13, 2004, 7:56:56 PM6/13/04
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Hmmm, this seems unnecessary.

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Jade

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Jun 13, 2004, 8:06:52 PM6/13/04
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Don't worry Gordon... If no one responds to his emails, and the rest of us
have him kill filed, it's like he doesn't even exist.
:0)
Jade.

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The Puppy Wizard

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HOWEDY Gordon,

jade is a dog abuser and mental case.

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The Puppy Wizard

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BWEEEEEEAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

You're an idiot.

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The Puppy Wizard

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BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!

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The Puppy Wizard

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HOWEDY Gordon,

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>
> I guess I am a real novice when it comes to fleas.

Won't be for long. The Amazing Puppy Wizard
uses insect growth regulators and nematodes
and boric acid salt and diatomatiHOWES earth
to CON-TROLL fleas.

> I've always used fleas collars, and I don't know,
> but I don't think any of my dogs have ever had
> fleas...

Sometimes they work. Sometimes they work
WON season and not the next.

> I say this because I thought fleas were
> a really big deal, that the whole house would
> become infested...

Could be.

> perhaps this is a big misconception.

It can go either way.

> I thought I was doing something good with
> the flea collar, but it sounds like there are
> real potential hazards with the chemicals.

Could be.

> I do give her heart worm pills monthly.

Yeah. Don't have much choice. Might
be able to CON-TROLL HW with large
doses of vitamin C and occasional garlic.

> As far as the frequent baths, ...

Bathe her as often as you like.

> she goes potty in the kennel at night about
> every third night.

HOWE COME you're locking her in a box? You
can have her trained to your HOWES nearly
instantly if you know HOWE.

> I can't seem to break her of that

She messes her crate cause it makes her anxiHOWES.

> (any advice would be welcome).

HOWER dog lovers lock their dogs in boxes
cause they don't know HOWE to train them.

> And, she seems to be miserable when
> she smells like that.

Yeah. That's not harmful. Locking the dog
in the box is harmful for many dogs. It
CONfHOWENDS HOWEsbreaking.

Locking dogs in boxes teaches the dog
his HOWES is the box and your HOWES
is his territory to FHOWEL.

Locking dogs in boxes reinforces phobias and
can cause separation anxiHOWESNESS fear
of thunder and car sickness excessive digging
chewing spinning whining barking self mutilation
seizures OCD's and aggression.

> I wish I could figure out how to get her to stop
> the accidents in the kennel entirely, but I don't
> know how.

Put the crate in the attic and train your dog
to live as you'd like him to.

> So, shes gets more baths then any of my
> other dogs ever have... but she seems to
> be getting to enjoy the extra attention now.

Yeah. Dogs are pretty smart.

She could be messing just to get you to
let her HOWETA the box. Or, it could be
she gets frantic when left in the box.


"JoeTheGuru" <joeth...@hotmail.com.NOSPAM wrote in
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JERRY SAVE THIS LAD!!!!

or it could be a troll <are you a troll??
do not use it on your dog.....

would you use it on your best friend.....

I have read jerry's book, it seems too easy at first.
however I started to use some of the training out of
it and now.

I have a dog that heels as fast as a collie in a
trial.<great dane X mastiff

I have a dog that stays and never leaves the spot.

I have a dog that comes when ever I call.

I have a dog that never leaves the yard, never runs
away.

I have a dog that stands still to be washed
with the cold hose.

I have a dog that never pulls on
the lead when we walk.

I have a dog that puts up with more abuse then a
dog should from my 2 year old <and loves it

I have a dog that barks at the fence only when some
ones there.

I have a dog that would not care less if there is
another dog in the park <only wants to be with and
please me though a lot of this is due to me training
the dog <spending the time with the dog.

jerry's book showed me not to punish the dog. but
just to work with the dog. which I liked the idea of
hence why I tried it. it is easy to become
frustrated with a dog when you are trying to train
them.

I look forward to my next puppy <ban dog so
I can use the information from jerry's book
and see just how good a dog can get.

the dog I have now was when I picked her up from the
RSPCA. she could not walk on a lead <no idea. cowered
from every noise <and wet her self, messed in the
house at every turn. acted like I was killing her
when I dragged her over to the mess.

this was A 6 month old pup that had been beaten <2.5
feet to the shoulder. I could of taken her back
however I knew I could bring her back to being to be a dog.

the dog I have now at 1.5 years <same dog is a dog
to be proud to walk down the street with <3 feet to
the shoulder and still growing.

so well behaved even when people walk passed with a
out of control dog. gentle with my child and trust
worthy < I never have to worry that my dog
will bite her, only have to worry if a stranger
comes over to my child. still that is not a worry
she places herself between my child and the
stranger

I may be plugging jerry's book, however with the
crap out there it is good to see that someone has
moved forward. looked at a different way to train
dogs. yes he gets into people, and in their face <
you should back off a little jerry however he is
sick of the bashing, choking, shocking, shaking and
everything else. so jerry save this lad from ruining
his dog. later, Joe

==================


<"Terri"@cyberhighway

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog
into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that
hide behind fake names are more honest than people that
use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante
dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than
those that have studied and lived by their craft for
decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

>Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

====================


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I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."

I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.

That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.

The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.

This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy

Charlie

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