my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
Scott Green
he said she be all right because of she age and gave me some pills she
still can't hold anything down it's going on two days i can't afford to put
her on iv is there anything i can do at home to help her
PLEASE HELP TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR HER
scott greene
KauilaPolu
treatment from your vet. Please get him there straight away! You can make
payments on the treatment. If the vet won't let you do that call another vet
.... fast. Two days is a long time and you need to get him help NOW
KauilaPolu
>From: kauil...@aol.com (KauilaPolu)
>Date: 7/2/00 12:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20000702030551...@ng-fj1.aol.
Scott I just read some encouraging facts and hope you do return fast for
treatment for your puppy. While no extremely accurate statistics are available,
a good guess is probably that 80% of puppies treated for parvovirus will live.
Without treatment, probably 80% or more of the infected puppies would die.
I know the money part is a horrible thing to have to deal with right now but be
honest about the spot your in and I bet anything you will find a vet to take
your pup in. Let me know what you decide to do and how things go from here will
you? Good luck.
KenJr
Lady and the computer I would sell the computer, and anything else of
value, to pay for her treatment.
Lady has epilepsy and we've done without a lot of things to pay for her
treatment. We used to eat out every week, now we don't. We got a used car
instead of a new one so we'd have more money for Lady. In cases of
emergency our vet is very understanding of our plight and will work out a
payment plan if needed. His first priority is the health of our pet. If
your vet doesn't share the view it is time for you to find a new vet
fast.
On Sun, 02 Jul 2000 06:54:25 GMT, Scott Green
(scott...@worldnet.att.net) says...
Tina
IM just curious, & how long have you had him?
have you contacted the breeder? a responsible breeder would be interested in
your problem.
Tina/mookeysmom
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at home . would cost less but he would have to give you a lesson on
how. also there is a way to just inject the lactated ringers solution
into a area in the back of the neck . this could be done by you at
home. you dont have to get it into the vein. he can show you this very
easily.-------- fluid replacement just may pull your dog through. is
he giving your dog something for the vomiting. better have. also he
can give you some to take home and give the dog a injection of . it
would be simple to show you how. but the fluids is the concern.
-------------------wont he even take time payments for you. give you a
up front estimate of the bill. iv flluids are really very cheap cost
wise----if there were only more vets with a heart who really cared. do
you have a friend that has a vet that would help you there? it is not
the cost of the iv flluids here but a vet who wont help in my opinion
that is. and i dont know the whole story here but you have discussed
the costs with him of iv fluids and he could let you watch as they are
being administered-------sign a release etc so it would not tie up the
vet tech or his time as he goes about his business in the office.
this is what my vet does with people.------------best of luck . i am not
prescribing here but i am just giving some suggestions of what kinds of
vets to look for. please let me know how your dog makes out and you may
write me at my private e-mail site if you wish Scott.
Elaine Gallant
If he says he can't afford the hundreds of dollars it would take to pull the
dog through this illness, he can't afford it. No point in making someone
feel worse.
If he doesn't want to assume crushing debt, he doesn't have to.
"KauilaPolu" <kauil...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Gary G
style...GG
KauilaPolu
>Date:
Elaine, he wrote this NG asking for help and advice. I simply wrote back saying
his dog has an 80% chance of recovery IF he gets agressive medical attention
and 80% chance of dying WITHOUT it. The vet said "he'll probably be okay".
Obviously he was taking a turn for the worse. He needed to know the odds of
survival 'if' he chose to take it back to the vet. I added the part about vets
taking payments because 'some' people wouldn't know to 'ask' a vet to do that.
But in fact it's done 'all' the time.
Now where in the world do you see cause to argue with 'me' over 'that'
advice'...yet again Elaine. Seems no matter what I write you find an argument.
Elaine Gallant
> >Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
> >From: "Elaine Gallant" elaine....@worldnet.att.net
> >Date:
>
> Elaine, he wrote this NG asking for help and advice.
He did. You expressed your take on the issue and so did I. That's at least
one of the reasons to have newsgroups- to compare a variety of takes on the
same situation.
> I simply wrote back saying
> his dog has an 80% chance of recovery IF he gets agressive medical
attention
> and 80% chance of dying WITHOUT it.
Yes. You are right about that. Nothing you said contradicts anything I said.
>The vet said "he'll probably be okay".
> Obviously he was taking a turn for the worse.
Rotts are quite vulnerale to parvo.
> He needed to know the odds of
> survival 'if' he chose to take it back to the vet. I added the part about
vets
> taking payments because 'some' people wouldn't know to 'ask' a vet to do
that.
> But in fact it's done 'all' the time.
Ya, people go into crushing debt all the time as well. He said he couldn't
afford a stiff vet bill right now.
> Now where in the world do you see cause to argue with 'me' over 'that'
> advice'...yet again Elaine. Seems no matter what I write you find an
argument.
That is not my fault. If someone says they don't want to assume a lot of
debt, you could respect their wishes.
carly car
based on a monthly basis.if your vet dont have one try to find a good
vet that has a monthly payment plan.
2nd what about credit cards this is a emergency , thank god for visa
gold lol my gypsies on the heartworm treatment thanks to visa shes in
the hospital this week.
also try the breed rescue people if its full blooded they may help get
on the net and search.
just a few sugestions
carly
Sue Eveland
In my opinion what you are going to have to do is budget like crazy, do
without some stuff that aren't really necessary, and talk to the vet about a
payment plan. You would probably be surprised that they are willing to do
that. I recently had major surgery for my dog and the aftercare is killing
me. I was lucky to receive a small inheritance to help with the payment,
but I now longer go to the movies, out to eat, thing like that. That and my
local vet, who didn't do the surgery, was willing to take payments on an
some of the visits to his office.
Good Luck
Sue E. & The Bionic Desi
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Elaine Gallant
OR.... he can cut his losses right now and give up. Later, he can give up
his infatuation with Rotts, and offer a good home to a nice dog who really
needs one.
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Nick Hope
:take to pull the dog through this illness, he can't afford it.
:No point in making someone feel worse.
:If he doesn't want to assume crushing debt, he doesn't have to.
"
Oh do shut up you silly woman. nick
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>From: "Elaine Gallant" elaine....@worldnet.att.net
>OR.... he can cut his losses right now and give up. Later, he can give up
>his infatuation with Rotts, and offer a good home to a nice dog who really
>needs one.
>
Elaine, where did he say he had an 'infatuation with Rotts' ????? And, you
already suggested he 'do nothing' so save your ridiculous rhetoric (which is
always 'void' of constructive advice). I could suggest where you could go with
your 'babble' but shaming you does no good. You ALWAYS return to find a new
spot for your same ol' ugly foot. What WOULD you do with your endless stream of
nonesense if you 'didn't' have this NG??
Nick Hope
:you 'didn't' have this NG??
One can only take pity on the poor dear. nick
Alison (UK)
emergency?
Alison
Scott Green <scott...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Nick Hope
:in an emergency?
Oh Alison, I well remember the u.k and having to use the
services of the P.D.S.A. Peoples dispensary for sick animals.
Sadly this is only to be found in u.k. As for me I am in New
Zealand and alas there are no such services here. Just
expensive vets. and in the U.S. Nick
lilcheeba
similar situation. i used to work at an animal sheler and i brought
home 2 puppies to foster so that they would not be put to sleep( they
were too young for adoption) and i had them for about a week and a half
when one came down with parvo unfortunately we had to euthanize both of
them in the end because of their age and that noone could keep thm in
quarentine and i know this sounds horrible but i had 2 dogs of my own
at home to worry about infecting any way a little while later i found
an organization that helps with outstanding medical bills. email me
privately and i will give you some info. also let me know your location
because i 'm not sure if this organization can help in a different
state************ lilcheeba@ msn.com
good luck contact me as soon as possible and maybe i can help
> she is a year and 4 months old i took her to the vet he said she
> had parvo
> he said she be all right because of she age and gave me some pills
> she
> still can't hold anything down it's going on two days i can't
> afford to put
> her on iv is there anything i can do at home to help her
> PLEASE HELP TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR HER
> scott greene
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this guys going through hard time right now and your just being plain
nasty -- a rottie is a good dog and i'm sure at one time it did need a
good home and it looks like she has found one
-- if he didn't care about this dog and if she wasn't a nice dog i'm
sure he would not be searching for options to save her right now. --
and who makes you GOD to say that he shouldn't try to save her --
your'e just an ignorant and uncaring poor excuse for a human being and
animal lover
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> OR.... he can cut his losses right now and give up. Later, he can
> give up
> his infatuation with Rotts, and offer a good home to a nice dog
> who really
> needs one.
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lilcheeba
last nerve how do you guys put up with
her???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Tina
>> she is a year and 4 months old i took her to the vet he said she
>> had parvo
>> he said she be all right because of she age and gave me some pills
>> she
>> still can't hold anything down it's going on two days i can't
>> afford to put
>> her on iv is there anything i can do at home to help her
>> PLEASE HELP TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR HER
>> scott greene
How is the puppy now? did it get treatment? did it survive?
Elaine Gallant
Knock Knock! HELLO! Exactly what did you yutzes THINK happened to most
parvo cases? You actually think it's so common for people to fork over a
thousand dollars or more on parvo treatments? Mostly they die.
"lilcheeba" <lilcheeb...@msn.com.invalid> wrote in message
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KauilaPolu
>From: "Elaine Gallant"
>Knock Knock! HELLO! Exactly what did you yutzes THINK happened to most
>parvo cases? You actually think it's so common for people to fork over a
>thousand dollars or more on parvo treatments? Mostly they die.
Elaine, I could have 'sworn' you read the post I wrote saying 80% SURVIVE with
treatment and the same number DIE without it!
Sally Hennessey
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>OR.... he can cut his losses right now and give up. Later, he can give up
>his infatuation with Rotts, and offer a good home to a nice dog who really
>needs one.
Rotts are not nice dogs that need homes?
Sally Hennessey
Annette Tyner
emergencies and with "routine maintenance" : ) when people are unable to
handle those expenses. The groups are privately run by donation and
fundraisers, and fees donated by participating veterinarians.
Alison (UK) <alis...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Do you have any animal charities in the States that will help in an
> emergency?
> Alison
>
Elaine Gallant
"Sally Hennessey" <grey...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
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Rotts are a consumer item. People get involved in the romance of the breed.
Not that there's anything inherently "wrong" with that. Provided one can
afford that sort of thing. This guy can't.
They're prone to parvo and hip displasia. Both very expensive conditions to
cure.
Elaine Gallant
Your humane group could treat a dozen less ill pets for the price of one
parvo victim.
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Annette Tyner
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Sally Hennessey
<elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Rotts are not nice dogs that need homes?
>
>Rotts are a consumer item. People get involved in the romance of the breed.
>Not that there's anything inherently "wrong" with that. Provided one can
>afford that sort of thing. This guy can't.
>They're prone to parvo and hip displasia. Both very expensive conditions to
>cure.
I never cease to be amazed at the nonsense that flows from your mouth
in a seemingly never-ending stream. I don't like to see any dog
described as a consumer "item", but in a sense all dogs are consumer
items. I don't suppose there are any people who own Rottweilers
because they like the breed? And can you explain how a particular
breed can be prone to parvo?
Sally Hennessey
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buglady
anything to back that up and I don't understand why. He said it is common
practice with some vets to double up on the parvo vacs for Rotts due to
their susceptibility. Here's one reference:
http://www.mismr.org/educational/parvo.html
buglady
take out the dog before replying
Sally Hennessey wrote in message <3962524e....@news.ncweb.com>...
Too...@webtv.net
are vaccinated for it that have a compromised immune system end up
getting parvo. Make darn sure your puppy is healthy if you give this
vaccine! A quick look at the outside will not be enough. A CBC and
Complete Chemistry Profile will hopefully tell you if your puppy is
healthy enough to have this vaccination
Valerie Washburn
Goldie.....B&G Macaw
Tiki..........Elenora Cockatoo
Gremlin....Congo African Grey
Sheba......Lhasa Apso
My Parrots Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~TikiGremlin/index.html
buglady
easier to follow the thread. :-)
As for Goldstein, yes, I'm aware of that. The question I was responding to
asked about susceptibility of certain breeds of dogs to parvo.
buglady
take out the dog before replying
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Michael Krolewski
next person.
Michael Krolewski
A Parvovirus Treatment Protocol
By Vandra L. Huber, Ph.D.
Copyright 1996
In the spring of 1996, I experienced an outbreak of Parvovirus at my home that
threatened one litter and killed two puppies out of a second. Because
Parvovirus is life threatening and can kill a puppy over night, it is important
to act swiftly in diagnosing and preventing this killer disease.
In attempting to save my puppies, I searched journals, contacted veterinarians,
sent out pleas for help via the internet and spoke with numerous breeders and
veterinarians around the country. What I found out is there is little agreement
on how to treat a parvo puppy. In fact, the topic raises the hackles of most
canine health professionals who prefer their own protocol or the protocol they
read about in textbooks. The dearth of information available to me, prompted me
to write this article and summarize what I found out and what worked for me in
a crisis situation.
Before adopting this or any other treatment protocol, check with YOUR
veterinarian. Some veterinarians -- particularly those in research institutions
-- will argue that Indo serum and the Neopgen have not been proven to be
effective. Other veterinarians will argue that treatment for coccidia at one
week of age is senseless or even dangerous. All of this may or may not be true.
It was helpful for me. Since treating for coccidia, I have not had another
parvovirus outbreak.
Prevention
1. Insure that the perspective mother is vaccinated before being bred but not
right before being bred. The veterinary community can not agree on whether
modified live or killed vaccine is preferred and whether vaccinations before
breeding are necessary. Personally, I am using killed parvovirus bacteria.
2. Clean your entire kennel with a bleach solution diluted 1:30. At this
dilution, the bleach should be safe to use even on carpet. Still, try a test
spot first. I did have one veterinarian contact me saying the dilution of
bleach was immaterial but the consensus seems to be that a 30:1 dilution is
preferred
There are some commercial cleaning solutions available. Some, but not all,
are designated to kill parvovirus. Read the labels carefully to insure that
the chemical compound is effective against Parvovirus. Broad spectrum
treatments such as those for HIV are not effective.
3. If possible, stay away from dog shows and pet stores which allow animals to
be inside the store. These locales are high risk for parvovirus. If you must
go to this establishments, wash all clothing, spray hands and feet. Change
clothes before entering the house. Still, remember Parvovirus is everywhere so
if it is going to happen, it will.
4. At one to two weeks of age, treat all puppies as if they have coccidiosis.
Give them Tribrissan or Albon for five days. Since many bitches pass
coccidiosis to the puppies, this treatment will not hurt but may help to
prevent a compromised immune system. Since my parvovirus outbreak in the
spring I have had one litter of puppies and they are doing great.
5. Start vaccinations for parvo at five weeks. Alternating shots for just
parvovirus with puppy shots for other diseases. I continue to vaccinate until
my puppies are six months old. My puppies got sick after they had two sets of
shots and were due for a booster in two days. Some veterinarians recommend
switching the type of vaccination so resistance can not be built up. I have not
done this.
6. Keep your puppies indoors on clean, sanitized surfaces. Parvovirus can
reside in stools, and be carried in the air via stool particles.
7. Minimize the number of visitors to your house. If they do visit, don't let
them pick up the puppies. Bleach hands and dunk shoes in bleach solution before
entering your home.
8. I also would recommend over vaccinating at least one of your dogs. By over
vaccinating, I mean give them four sets of parvovirus shots in one year. In
this way, you have a donor on hand for emergencies. The blood banks I talk
about below, have a very limited supply of blood and hyperimmune serum, so it
is best to be prepared for the worst.
Treating Sick Puppies
If puppies are sick or are getting sick. Symptoms runny stools, may not have
typical parvovirus smell, vomiting and fever sometimes.
1. Insure that the temperature in the room is 85 degrees. If it is
coronarvirus, rather than Parvovirus disease, the increased temperature can
help to minimize the effects of coronavirus. Remember, however, it is possible
for a puppy to be infected by parvovirus AND the coronarvirus.
2. Take stool samples but do not wait for results to come back before beginning
treatment. Puppies may die within 12 hours. Stool specimens also are not 100
percent accurate. If facilities are available, you may also have more
sophisticated disagnostic tests run but even these are not fail-safe..
Remember, a negative test still does not mean that your puppies do not have
Parvovirus disease ( false negative error) and a positive test does not always
indicate that they do the disease (false positive). For example,
Camphylobacteriosis which is a bacterial, rather than virus, can produce a low
titer for parvovirus. If the puppies are sick, treat them for the worst case
vignette, namely parvovirus.
2. Give electrolyte water orally (pedialyte (nonflavored) or a generic brand).
This helps with dehydration. One breeder gives also gives defizzed Coca-Cola
for the sugar it contains.
3. Give fluids subcutaneously according to the weight of the puppy. Your
veterinarian will know the proper amount. However, a rough measure is two big
lumps of fluid under the skin. Dehydration is one of the major reasons
parvovirus puppies die so fluid treatment is extremely important.
4. To help fight infection, we used Cefadroxil. We used this for two reasons.
First because it was a medication we had not used before. Second, a bacteria
infection (Camphylobacteriosis) is responsive to this medication.
Camphylobacteriosis mimics many of the symptoms of parvovirus. In fact,
Camphylobacteriosis sometimes titers as alow titer parvovirus. But it is
"bacterial" and should be treated immediately with "Keflex". Treating as
parvovirus ends up with dead puppies. If it is indeed Camphy, the puppies will
have an almost immediate recovery, and if not the keflex won't hurt.
5. To boost the general immune system, we gave all the puppies Indo Serum. It
is also called Septi serum. In the Northwest, sources for this are MWI
Veteranary Supply ( 1 800 824-3703). A second source is Pro Vet at 1 800
562-7758.
6. To help with intestinal upset, we also gave banamine (1 and no more than 2
doses).
7. One problem with Parvovirus is that the white cell count drops dramatically.
Therefore we also gave the very sick puppies plasma (preferred over whole blood
as there is less of problem of reaction). In the Northwest, we got the plasma
from the Emerald City Blood Bank. Check with your veteranarian for the Canine
blood bank in your area. A source of blood is the dam of the puppies. You will
not have time to do a blood match, but the dam is most likely to have
compatible blood.
8. There is also a new experimental drug called Neopogen that is being used
that is already in use for humans. This drug boosts the white cell count. (A
rule of thumb would be to use this if the white cell count drops below 1,000).
It can be secure from a human pharmacy. The usefulness of this drug on canines
is untested.
9. To help boost the immune system directly against Parvovirus, veterararians
such as Dr. Jean Dodds recommends that you shoujld administer plasma from a
Hyper Immune dog. A hyper immune dog is one which has been over vaccinated
against parvovirus (usually 4 times in one year). Again, some vets thinks this
is a lot of "bunk." However, it makes sense to me in that these dogs have
increased antibodies against parvovirus.
Sources for Hyperimmune dogs are:
a. If the mother's titer is high, you can use plasma from her. This is the most
convenient source of plasma..
b. An over-vaccinted dog. Such a dog has been vaccinated at least four times in
one year against Parvovirus. Some veterinarians keep such dogs in their
kennels. I will have my own dog at home. Getting plasma versus blood takes
planning. If time is of the essence, you may also use whole blood. But remember
you risk the possibility that the blood will not match and you will get a
reaction. However, it is my understanding that dogs such as greyhounds are
universal donors.
c. Secure Hyper Immune serum from a blood bank (be sure that it is Hyper Immune
serum). We lost a day of treatment waiting for what we thought was Hyper Immune
serum when it was really Indo Serum. One blood bank that I know has
Hyperimmune serum is a nonprofit blood bank operated by Dr. Jean Dodds in
California. She uses rescue greyhounds as they have great veins. They have some
plasma each day but quantities are limited. It costs about $90 per unit plus
shipping. The name of her establishment is HEMOPET 714 252-8455.
We treated all puppies with this protocol and had no further incidents.
After Care of Parvo Puppies
Since having this outbreak of parvovirus, I have noticed that puppies who were
exposed appear to have somewhat compromised imune systems. One puppy who had
been very sick got mange (which I have never had before). Another puppy had
problems digesting protein and needed short term medical care for that ailment.
A third puppy(the one that was extremely sick) has not grown to the same size
as all her litter mates. Whether these are incidental ailments or a byproduct
of a compromised immune system, I do not know.
--------
Vandra L. Huber, PhD is a breeder of Scottish Terriers and a provisional AKC
judge of scottish terriers. She has bred more than 25 American champions and
has had a scottish terrier ranked in the top 10 for the past 10 years. Her
scottish Terrier Ch. Gaelforce Postscript "Peggy Sue" was the 1995 Best in Show
winner of the Westminster Kennel Club show. Peggy Sue's babies were one of the
two litters to get sick from parvovirus. Dr. Huber is proud to say that all
five Peggy Sue puppies are doing well. When she is not shwoing her scotties,
Dr. Huber is a professor of human resources at the University of Washington's
School of Business Administration.
Michael Krolewski
Elaine Gallant
The parvo is just such an expensive illness to treat. Parvo is a vet's dream
come true in a disease. The dog will probably die without treatment, and
treatment costs a mint. Lots of dogs catch parvo from the vet's office.
Sometimes when well puppies are taken in for vaccination. They go in during
a window of vulnerability when anti-bodies from the mother have worn off,
and before the vaccine can be effective.
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Sally Hennessey
<bugl...@bigfootdog.com> wrote:
>Sally, Dr. Marty Goldstein says that Rotts are prone to parvo. I don't have
>anything to back that up and I don't understand why. He said it is common
>practice with some vets to double up on the parvo vacs for Rotts due to
>their susceptibility. Here's one reference:
>http://www.mismr.org/educational/parvo.html
Thanks for the info. I don't revere Dr. Marty Goldstein as much as
many people do, perhaps because of his recommended treatments for
canine epilepsy. And that brochure might be more credible if it
spelled the name of the dog breeds to which it referred correctly - -
I think an organization like that should be able to do so, under the
circumstances. But I was unaware that some breeds are thought to be
more susceptible to parvo than others, so thanks for the info.
Sally Hennessey
Gary G
it be that Vet's started Parvo?...Your an idiot...Constantly spewing
manure...I think you need to increase your meds...Get help...GG
Elaine Gallant
"Gary G" <Hig...@netwiz.net> wrote in message
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> Yes Elaine Vet's get together and work on ways to spread Parvo.
Actually, Gary- if you're going to defend vets, maybe it would be a good
idea to show everyone how they couldn't possibly be spreading parvo....
KauilaPolu
>Date: 7/5/00 9:59 AM Pacific Daylig
>Parvo is a vet's
>dream
>> > come true in a disease. The dog will probably die without treatment, and
>> > treatment costs a mint. Lots of dogs catch parvo from the vet's office.
puppies 'can' get parvo going into the vet to get the parvo shots, but from
what I understand they have to be directly exposed to the body fluids of the
infected dogs. I don't think it is airborn. So, hold the pup and don't let it
down inside or outside the office. Vets didn't develop parvo...they 'treat' it.
And if your pup is exposed to infected dogs at home they will get it too. They
need to get the shots. A good idea for young dogs is to not expose them to
'any' other dogs. I would never take a puppy to a place where 'any' other dogs
have been. In the vet, like I said, I would 'not' let the puppy 'down'.
Elaine Gallant
> >Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
> >From: "Elaine Gallant" elaine....@worldnet.att.net
> >Date: 7/5/00 9:59 AM Pacific Daylig
>
> >Parvo is a vet's
> >dream
> >> > come true in a disease. The dog will probably die without treatment,
and
> >> > treatment costs a mint. Lots of dogs catch parvo from the vet's
office.
>
> puppies 'can' get parvo going into the vet to get the parvo shots
THINK about it. Every sick dog in the neighborhood goes straight to the
vet's office. Vet's office is parvo central.
>, but from
> what I understand they have to be directly exposed to the body fluids of
the
> infected dogs. I don't think it is airborn.
It's not airborne, but may as well be. There are millions of bits of
infectious material in every drop of liquid from a parvo dog or pup. Owners
of parvo dogs are literally covered with infectious material. It's in their
hair, on their skin, on their hands, on their clothes, on the tires of their
cars.
>So, hold the pup and don't let it
> down inside or outside the office.
Uh huh...right. And the vet and all the assistants have completely scrubbed
down and sanitized everything since treating the last patient...
>Vets didn't develop parvo...they 'treat' it.
> And if your pup is exposed to infected dogs at home they will get it too.
They
> need to get the shots.
The owner can purchase the vaccine separately. They don't have to take the
pup to parvo central.
BigDogBite
that is why they are more prone to catching parvo. However you
are in a catch 22 situation as vaccinating to early and too
often suppreses the immune system even further.
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KauilaPolu
>
>Rotties do not have the best immune systems in the world and
>that is why they are more prone to catching parvo.
I thought I read somewhere recently that is is because some breeds
(Rotties,GS,and one other which I can't recall) have such a 'good' immune
system that they need the more powerful parvo virus, which has more of the live
parvo in it, rather than the very mildest form. There are several vac.'s avail.
and all have different doses of the virus.
KauilaPolu
>The owner can purchase the vaccine separately. They don't have to take the
>pup to parvo central.
>
But then 'Elaine' probably doesn't even take her dogs to the vet for life and
death emergencies 'does' she?? If they're sick, let em die. Get a dog that
'won't get sick'.
KauilaPolu
>From: "Elaine Gallant"
>Uh huh...right. And the vet and all the assistants have completely scrubbed
>down and sanitized everything since treating the last patient...
>
well, 'my' vet does. They don't take the next 'patient' until the stainless
stell table is disinfected with spray and the doctor puts new gloves on right
in front of the patient and the patient also is waiting in the doorway to see
all this done. But that is 'my' vet.
Tina
>death emergencies 'does' she?? If they're sick, let em die. Get a dog that
>'won't get sick'.
Elaine has dogs?????
BigDogBite
>>Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
>>
>
>>that is why they are more prone to catching parvo.
>
>I thought I read somewhere recently that is is because some
breeds
>(Rotties,GS,and one other which I can't recall) have such
a 'good' immune
>system that they need the more powerful parvo virus, which has
more of the live
>parvo in it, rather than the very mildest form. There are
several vac.'s avail.
>and all have different doses of the virus.
>
>
Vaccines are either dead or MLV strains. They do not have
different doses. The best one on the market for % effectiveness
is Progard and even that is now recommended at 8-12-16 weeks.
Gary G
that this form of posting is designed to get attention...It works...Your
getting attention...I guess negative attention is better than no
attention at all...GG
Elaine Gallant wrote:
>
> But then OBVIOUSLY prevention lacks the drama of emergencies. Guess
> prevention just isn't exciting enough for you.
>
> "KauilaPolu" <kauil...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000705181024...@ng-fk1.aol.com...
> > >Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
> > >From: "Elaine Gallant"
> >
> > >The owner can purchase the vaccine separately. They don't have to take
> the
> > >pup to parvo central.
> > >
Melissa
Elaine Gallant wrote in message ...
>
>
>Uh huh...right. And the vet and all the assistants have completely scrubbed
>down and sanitized everything since treating the last patient...
Elaine,
Actually the clinic where I work doesn't even let parvo dogs in our front
door. We have them wait in the car with the owner, and we run the test
before ever letting them set foot inside. Then if they are positive we have
them come in a back entrance to our isolation ward. If for some reason a dog
does come in the front door that has parvo, we will immediately mop the
floor, wipe off counters and cabinets and disinfect door knobs. We are VERY
careful to not spread Parvovirus, because it is a huge problem around here.
We will see as many as 5-6 dogs per week at the hight of the summer.
Something that we DO NOT like!!
Melissa
Elaine Gallant
How 'bout his coat? His hair? His face?
"KauilaPolu" <kauil...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000705180805...@ng-fk1.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
> >From: "Elaine Gallant"
>
> >Uh huh...right. And the vet and all the assistants have completely
scrubbed
> >down and sanitized everything since treating the last patient...
> >
Elaine Gallant
> >Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
> >From: "Elaine Gallant"
>
the
> >pup to parvo central.
> >
> But then 'Elaine' probably doesn't even take her dogs to the vet for life
and
> death emergencies 'does' she??
I don't GET dog related emergencies. Prevention is much better than any
cure.
Elaine Gallant
But then OBVIOUSLY prevention lacks the drama of emergencies. Guess
prevention just isn't exciting enough for you.
"KauilaPolu" <kauil...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000705181024...@ng-fk1.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: my rot has parvo i need help can't afford vet ivs
> >From: "Elaine Gallant"
>
> >The owner can purchase the vaccine separately. They don't have to take
the
> >pup to parvo central.
> >
> But then 'Elaine' probably doesn't even take her dogs to the vet for life
and
> death emergencies 'does' she?? If they're sick, let em die. Get a dog that
Elaine Gallant
You like getting paid, don't you? With the number of parvo cases you get,
that's 6 thousand dollars a week coming into your clinic, even it is through
the back door.
I'm not blaming you however- you're just doing your job. You're doing what
they pay you to do. I'm just saying vet's offices are parvo central.
"Melissa" <psm...@kalama.com> wrote in message
news:8k109g$7hf$1...@quark.scn.rain.com...
>
> Elaine Gallant wrote in message ...
> >
>
> >
> >Uh huh...right. And the vet and all the assistants have completely
scrubbed
> >down and sanitized everything since treating the last patient...
Elaine Gallant
> I can't believe you say the things you do.
Well, you're weird. I couldn't believe KP was bragging on the drama and fun
of emergency treatment.
Gary G
you washed?...GG
Elizabeth Naime
> this is my first time on this essage board and elaines already on my
> last nerve how do you guys put up with
> her???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Go to your ISP's "Help" files or email technical support. You're looking
for "kill file" aka "kill filter". One of the most economical means yet
discovered for the maintenance of usenet-induced hypertension.
You'll be glad you did.
Dianne Schoenberg
> this is my first time on this essage board and elaines already on my
> last nerve how do you guys put up with
> her???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Glad you asked. Just substitute "Elaine Gallant" and her email
address as applicable in the instructions below:
Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark
certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a
killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for
some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn't listed,
try looking in your browser under "help."
Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety
of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can't
help you, I can't either. Conversely, if you have any additions or
corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at
dia...@teleport.com; I will add them to this file next time it's
reposted.
Many, many thanks to everyone who's contributed!--Dianne
--------------------------------------------------------------------
AGENT
Pull down the 'Window' on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on
that.
The first icon on the toolbox should be to 'Add Kill Filter'. Click
on that.
The edit window will come up. In the area 'Filter Expression', write
'Jerry Howe'. And then under 'Kill Action', mark whatever little
button you want.
AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles)
From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open
that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering
tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select
filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field
below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below
the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and
you're done.
FREE AGENT
Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out
the few bucks for the upgrade; I'm told you won't regret it.
MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC:
Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing
one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window
showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the
'Filter' submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are 'Filter this
author...' and 'Filter this subject...', which create author or subject
filters for the active articles respectively.
NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR
Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters... command.
In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new
filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry."
Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe"
or "subject contains lying".
Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc...)
Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take
effect.
OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0
Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you
wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the
drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender".
To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely
you can create message 'rules.' Say you want to filter out all messages
containing 'ninnyboy' in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule
from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to
create and apply.
RN & TRN
To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a
file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital
letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it:
/jh...@cfl.rr.com/h:j
This killfile will junk any posts from jh...@cfl.rr.com to any
newsgroup you read.
TIN
Find a message from the person you want to killfile. Have that
person's message on your computer screen. Hit control and k at
the same time (^k).
You should now be looking at a screen with a little questionaire on it.
The return key is your way of saying yes. The space bar will toggle so
that the answer is no. Then hit return to say your answer is no. The
questions are about whether you want to kill all messages from a
particular person or whether you want to kill all messages with a
particular subject line. I recommend killfiling people instead of
subjects, but it's up to you.
The first question is "kill type: kill." Hit return to say yes to
that. The 2nd question is "kill text pattern." Hit return to say yes
to that. The 3rd question is "kill subject," and there should be the
very subject line of the message you were reading when you started
killfiling right there in brackets. I always hit space and then
return to indicate that I don't mind the subject. The 4th question is
"kill from" with the email address of the person you're killfiling in
brackets. This works even with anonymous senders. Hit return to say
yes. The 5th question is "kill pattern scope" with the name of the
usenet group in brackets. A return will killfile that sender only
from the group you're in at that moment. A space will change the
question to "all groups." Use that if you never want to see a message
from the person in question on any usenet group. The last question is
for quit, edit, or save. Quit gets you out as though you'd done
nothing. Edit lets you go back to change your answers. Save means
that you like all your answers and are ready to commit. Hit return
for save.
Didn't work? I'm not sure why, but sometimes I have to go back and do
it again, this time typing in the name of the person I'm killfiling,
exactly as it appears in the from line, for the 2nd question.
X-NEWS
When reading an article, press 'k' to add the poster to the plonk
file. It will then ask you for an expiration period - 100 days is
the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100"
to "0".
XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don't know about earlier versions)
With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift
while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current
group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of
the shift key.
MaryBeth
"Tina" <mookey...@cs.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20000705191209...@ng-cc1.news.cs.com...
> >But then 'Elaine' probably doesn't even take her dogs to the vet for life
and
> >death emergencies 'does' she?? If they're sick, let em die. Get a dog
that
> >'won't get sick'.
>
Yeah, but they're considered 'livestock'. <G> She has a GSD that she's
been raising on bacon grease for years, ought to be really tasty when it
goes. <G>
MB
Dianne Schoenberg
Elaine, most of us are aware that you would rather let a dog
die slowly and painfully than seek medical attention for
him/her. While it appears that you would not consider a
dog with parvo a "dog-related emergency", I would.
Dianne
KauilaPolu
>Vaccines are either dead or MLV strains. They do not have
>different doses.
"There has been a lot of work in recent years on new vaccine formulations
and the newer vaccines are more potent (have a higher antigen load) and can
produce immunity in the face of maternal antibody protection at an earlier
age. These new vaccines will produce reliable immunity in most puppies by
12 weeks of age but it is still considered to be prudent to vaccinate high
risk breeds like rottweilers and beagles at 15 weeks of age or later.
These vaccines are not based on new strains of parvovirus, they use higher
vaccine virus numbers to achieve better results. Killed parvovirus vaccines are
of limited value. This is a disease for which there is strong justification for
using a low passage, high titer, modified live virus
vaccine. Many puppies die despite good care once infected and the cost of
treatment is high even in puppies that survive. Protection must occur as
close to the loss of maternal immunity as is possible. Modified live
vaccines are the only way to ensure that this type of protection occurs. "
(Mike Richards,DMV)
shelly
mmmmmmmm... bacony...
shelly and elliott & harriet
http://members.home.net/scouvrette/index/
remove SPAMALOPE to e-mail me
Shelly
That,
Oh my,
That was sick.
*sniggle*
Shelly, Coda & Guiness (Bacon?? Bacon, who said Bacon!?)
"MaryBeth" <marb...@home.com> wrote in message
news:pQ595.32229$A%3.41...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
>
> "Tina" <mookey...@cs.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20000705191209...@ng-cc1.news.cs.com...
> > >But then 'Elaine' probably doesn't even take her dogs to the vet for
life
> and
> > >death emergencies 'does' she?? If they're sick, let em die. Get a dog
> that
> > >'won't get sick'.
> >
> > Elaine has dogs?????
>
> Yeah, but they're considered 'livestock'. <G> She has a GSD that she's
> been raising on bacon grease for years, ought to be really tasty when it
> goes. <G>
>
> MB
>
>
Gary G
quality of life can be sustained to allow for more time...I understand
you find paying Vets a waste of your money...I only hope your reborn the
pet of someone like you...GG
Elaine Gallant wrote:
>
> "Dianne Schoenberg" <dia...@user2.teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:8k2pkt$fl6$1...@user2.teleport.com...
> > In article <5sQ85.7847$cR2.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > >I don't GET dog related emergencies.
> >
> > Elaine, most of us are aware that you would rather let a dog
> > die slowly and painfully than seek medical attention for
> > him/her.
>
> That's silly. Many many people have come on this newsgroup with cancer
> victim dogs. Poor sick animals they keep hanging on suffering for months.
> NO WAY would I advocate extended suffering. If the animal is terminal, their
> suffering should end as quickly as possible.
>
> > While it appears that you would not consider a
> > dog with parvo a "dog-related emergency", I would.
>
> I can't afford to treat parvo. Never pretended otherwise.
Elaine Gallant
Elaine Gallant
> And how many survive?...Some people are willing to try and see if the
> quality of life can be sustained to allow for more time.
So which is it? First Dianne makes a completely unfounded claim that I
would extend suffering. Actually, I'm against suffering. Now you're
complaining because I'm against suffering????
I'm against needless suffering, and don't care who knows it!
..I understand
> you find paying Vets a waste of your money...I only hope your reborn the
> pet of someone like you...GG
>
> Elaine Gallant wrote:
> >
dogsnus
>
> "Tina" <mookey...@cs.comnojunk> wrote in message
> news:20000705191209...@ng-cc1.news.cs.com...
> > >But then 'Elaine' probably doesn't even take her dogs to the vet for life
> and
> > >death emergencies 'does' she?? If they're sick, let em die. Get a dog
> that
> > >'won't get sick'.
> >
> > Elaine has dogs?????
>
> Yeah, but they're considered 'livestock'. <G> She has a GSD that she's
> been raising on bacon grease for years, ought to be really tasty when it
> goes.
a golden colored GSD looking thing.
Most likely a cross between a GSD and a Lab or Golden.
I just get tired of her passing her dog off as a GSD. It's NOT a GSD.
I've seen a photo she posted of Maya, that dog is NOT a purebred
GSD.
She's awful cute, though.
Maya, not Elame.
Terri
Dianne Schoenberg
Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>"Dianne Schoenberg" <dia...@user2.teleport.com> wrote in message
>news:8k2pkt$fl6$1...@user2.teleport.com...
>> In article <5sQ85.7847$cR2.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>> Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> >I don't GET dog related emergencies.
>>
>> Elaine, most of us are aware that you would rather let a dog
>> die slowly and painfully than seek medical attention for
>> him/her.
>
>That's silly. Many many people have come on this newsgroup with cancer
>victim dogs. Poor sick animals they keep hanging on suffering for months.
>NO WAY would I advocate extended suffering. If the animal is terminal, their
>suffering should end as quickly as possible.
Sorry, Elaine. You're the one who wrote:
"I lost a puppy to parvo last year... There was no way we could
afford to treat a parvo pup. She died after about a week of
home care." http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=593675830
Euthanasia would have cost you maybe $30 or $40 dollars, or
was possibly available for free at your local shelter. Yes,
you unnecessarily extended that puppy's suffering for a full
week. And what a nasty, nasty way to die :-(.
Dianne
Elaine Gallant
Elaine Gallant
> "I lost a puppy to parvo last year... There was no way we could
> afford to treat a parvo pup. She died after about a week of
> home care." http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=593675830
>
> Euthanasia would have cost you maybe $30 or $40 dollars
Euthanasia is offered in this area for about $15. We didn't want to
euthanize our pup.
>Yes,
> you unnecessarily extended that puppy's suffering for a full
> week.
To me, the pup was gone after a brief illness. Counting from day one, when
you're not even sure your dog is ill. Especially when you're talking about
puppies and dogs who suffer from parvo for weeks or months.
Or cancer victims kept alive and suffering for months.
>And what a nasty, nasty way to die :-(.
Suffering from parvo is at least as nasty a way to live. Some animals never
fully recover.
BigDogBite
shots not be given before 8 weeks of age. He suggest using
Progard which is the most effective, but even it will not be as
effective if given before 8 weeks of age. He suggest a 3 shot
series at 8-12-16 weeks, 1 year, then every 3 years. He also
states the most important factor in puppies resistence to Parvo
is the mothers immunity and suggest vaccination of the bitch 3
months prior to breeding.
The Univeristy of Colorado was the first Veterinary school to
switch to this protocol and now others are following.
http://www.cvmbs.colostate.edu/vth/savp2.html
KauilaPolu
>I'm against needless suffering, and don't care who knows it!
>
Yeah, well Elaine Gallant, 'your' making 'me' suffer with your hollow-headed
advice, so why not save me some 'more' grief and crazy glue your fingers to
your keyboard right now??
KauilaPolu
>From: "Elaine Gallant"
>Well, you're weird. I couldn't believe KP was bragging on the drama and fun
>of emergency treatment.
>
Huhhhhhhh?????????????
shootin...@webtv.net
formulations. because i have more animals i do still do my last one at
15 or 16 weeks.------------i give my own because i caught a vet using
expired vaccines on my dog.-----------he said he had to use them up!!!
i went to a different vet and then a year later caught him giving
expired medicine to another dog. not all vets are like around here i
must add. i have to admit i stay away from the office as much as
possible where i live. ----------------i ship my vaccines second day
air . it is wonderful to not have to have the dogs leave the house.
the medicine you need on hand in case the dog has a reaction is also
available without a prescription. my vet is happy i do this so i don't
clutter up the office with all my animals all at once maybe? just
kidding.------------------and my cats what a trip that would be with
seven of them . i give one vaccine and the rest are scattered for the
day. the meow is enough to warn theml
Annette Tyner
server is providing all messages, we haven't heard back from you. Thank
you, Annette
Scott Green <scott...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:BGB75.2539$cR2.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> she is a year and 4 months old i took her to the vet he said she had
parvo
> he said she be all right because of she age and gave me some pills she
> still can't hold anything down it's going on two days i can't afford to
put
> her on iv is there anything i can do at home to help her
>
> PLEASE HELP TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR HER
> scott greene
>
>
KauilaPolu
>Date: 7/8/00 5:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>
>Kauila Polu, i was glad you posted the information on the new vaccine
>formulations. because i have more animals i do still do my last one at
>15 or 16 weeks.------------i give my own because i caught a vet using
>expired vaccines on my dog.-----------he said he had to use them up!!!
you are quite welcome!
MaryBeth
"dogsnus" <dog...@micron.net> wrote in message
news:39660767...@micron.net...
> Not that it's terribly important, but Elaine's GSD is a mixed breed,
> a golden colored GSD looking thing.
> Most likely a cross between a GSD and a Lab or Golden.
Well let's all hope the Lab half doesn't up and run away someday. <EG>
MB
LSahara
>that this form of posting is designed to get attention...It works...Your
>getting attention...I guess negative attention is better than no
>attention at all...GG
What is it that you are reading in her posts that I'm missing that you think
she's out to get negative attention?
1. Preventive care. Get your dog vaccinated so you don't have to deal with
PARVO.
(what the heck was she thinking when inferred that?)
2. Terminally ill pets should be put down to prevent suffering.
(She is so much a NAZI for sure)
Please note sarcasm
Now don't misunderstand me. My dog had cancer. I also had an old dog that was
blind, deaf, toothless, and arthritic. People told me for years to have that
dog put down. Didn't do it. As long as the tail wagged, that told me that they
had good quality of life and when it ended, it was time. I'm not one for just
putting a dog down at a moment's notice.
Maybe she viewed the original poster as I did.
1. She didn't get the dog vacinated to begin with and now her dog has Parvo.
2. She can't afford the vet bill.
My impression is this woman is doing the dog a huge disservice. She can't
afford the dog. She shouldn't have a dog. That is inhumane.
Pity the dog, but not the master when the master chooses to let the dog suffer.
No sympathy for when the master feeds their dog the cheapest dog food that they
can possibly find, chain their dog up on a 4 ft chain, keep it outside as if it
was a piece of garbage.
Again, that last paragraph does not reflect on the original poster that I am
aware of. You know how it is when you get up on a soap box and the rant begins.
Sympathy and condolences to the dog who is probably by now dead.
shelly
now, now, MaryBeth, don't be silly. we all know that it's
only the *beagle* half that runs away. the lab half is
forever faithful and would never even *think* of running
away, even if it's left outside in an unfenced yard and it's
owner goes away and leaves it.
shelly and elliott & harriet
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There are lots of things that can cause dogs to vomit, have diarreah,
waste and etc. All dogs (and cats) should be given appropriate
immunizations, and if the owners can't afford them, they shouldn't own
pets at all. If the animals are symptomatic, they should be put down.
In any case, all pets should be properly socialized and neutered. EOD.
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Poet74
this poor gentlemans...I took a few minutes out from careing for him to see
if I could find some salvation on this newsgroup and I find a bunch of
holier than tho assholes who care more for their own sense of moral
supiorarity than for the poor animals....I can't afford to take my dog to
the vet at the moment...I don't have the 1200 dollars for the hospital
stay.....I can't sell the computer I am on because it is my girlfriends
mothers....and I couldn't sell it at 12 am on a saturday anyway....if I
could sell anything I would...and no..in my area vets don't take
payments...plus the vet offers a 50 50 chance because they can do
intervenous fluids.....I am feeding him pedialyte for the elctorlytes and
sodium and some pepto (under vets advisement) to keep him from throwing
up....I was just hoping maybe to find some help or support....instead I
mostly find a bunch of idiots who want to degrade people for doing there
best......
Also to the guy who said just shoot the little bugger.....someone should
shoot you....
So basicly...all of you get the fuck off your high horses and try and help
for a change
KauilaPolu
>
Sorry to hear about your crisis. Here is a website that has pretty much
everything about the parvo virus. You can also check other sites by going to a
'search engine' like "www.hotbot.com" and type in Parvo+treatment
Have you tried calling outside your town and telling say an emergency vet
hospital your circumstances. If I were you I would keep looking for someone to
take your pup in and begin treatment right away. 80% of puppies treated
agressively for Parvo survive. The same percent don't survive without
treatment. It sucks but those are the odds. I wish I could help more. I'm sorry
you are going through this. Let me know how it goes will you?
here is that other website:
http://www.vetinfo.com/dogindex.html
click on P once you get there
Poet74
vets I called...only one aswered their emergency pager...The vets on this
island just suck....their idea of treating a kitten with feline influenza is
to euthinize it instantly..
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KauilaPolu <kauil...@aol.com> wrote in message
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will be able to help you with the site he gave you. if you will read
my posting on july the second and KauilaPolu"s previous postings also
you will see that we did try and help and i hope that you don't feel
this way about us. may i ask what island you are on. i have a sister
stationed on the island of bohol in the phillipines. she calls me for
her dog and cat problems. not very good medical or vet care there
either. i have to mail her all her medicines for the animals. getting
the iv fluids is most important and since they are doing this i do hope
your pup makes it. if he holds down the pedialyte this would be great
also. --------- -i have e-miled scott green to inquire about his dog
also but as yet he has not replied.-------if the pedialyte doesn't stay
down you might ask the vet to show you how to do one of the two things
that i had suggested for fluid therapy? please let us know how your dog
is doing ? ss
Poet74
intended to insult know who they are.....
Anyway it has been about 24 hours since full symptoms hit and he is managing
to keep the pedolyte down, but nothing else...i.e. boiled tea, water or
pepto. I have been giving it to him orally about every 20 minutes or so
with a small oven baster....his depression is still bad...he won't let
anyone else care for him but me...he gets up and wanders down the hall and
stares at the gate...he just stands there as if he forgot how to turn around
an dI have to come guide him back...he is still defacating blood....but the
good news is he is halfway through the worst part....
I live on Vancouver island in British Columbia Canada in a small town named
Nanaimo...I have called every vet for over a hundred kilometers and they all
want at least part of the payment in advance and the rest when he is
well...and I just don't have 1200 dollars....they all refused the option of
a payment plan saying it was to much out of pocket exspense...one was kind
enough to at least return the call to his emergency pager at 12am (out of 4
phoned)
I really need him to make it...he is my best friend and a truly unique
dog...plus he is the only rottweiler/shepard/bouvier/collie/jack russel/
chihuaha cross I have ever seen!
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poet 74-- at your home e-mail address. i hope this will help you.
and please let the group know how you are doing . thanks
shootingstarsgk
KauilaPolu
>
>Thanks for the help....but unfortunetly I live on an island...and out of the
>vets I called...only one aswered their emergency pager...The vets on this
>island just suck....their idea of treating a kitten with feline influenza is
>to euthinize it instantly..
>
I found the following information on Parvo for you The first signs of CPV
infectionare depression, loss of appetite, vomiting, and severe diarrhea.
Rectal temperatures may be raised. The normal rectal temperature for dogs is
101-102 degrees. These signs will most often appear 5-7 days after the dog is
exposed to the virus. At the onset of illness the feces will generally be
light gray or yellow-gray. Sometimes, the first sign will be fluid feces
streaked with blood.
Dogs may dehydrate rapidly due to vomiting and diarrhea. Some dogs may vomit
repeatedly and have projectile and bloody diarrhea until they die. Others may
have loose feces and recover without complications.
Most deaths occur within 48-72 hours following the onset of clinical signs.
Puppies suffer most with shock-like deaths occurring as early as two days after
the onset of the illness. In the past, a high percentage of pups less than
five months old and 2-3% of older dogs died from this disease. Now, due to
widespread vaccination, these numbers have decreased dramatically. Puppies
between weaning and six months of age are at increased risk of acquiring the
disease.
Another form of parvoviral infection is inflammation of the heat in pups less
than three months of age. This syndrome occurs without concurrent diarrhea
because the virus multiplies rapidly in muscle cells of the growing heart.
Pups with this syndrome may act depressed and stop suckling shortly before they
collapse gasping for breath. Death may follow within minutes. Others die at
intervals over the next several days. There is no specific treaatment and pups
that survive may have permanently damaged hearts. These pups may die from
heart failure weeks or months after they have apparantly recovered from
infection.
Treatment
Treatment of CPV infection, which should be started immediately, consists
primarily of efforts to combat dehydration by replacing electrolyte and fluid
losses, controlling vomiting and diarrhea and preventing secondary infections
with antibiotics.
LSahara
Why put a dog down that can be treated? I have adopted two beautiful pups in
the past that were both diagnosed with parvo within a few days after I got
them. They were treated and grew into beautiful wonderful dogs.
>In any case, all pets should be properly socialized and neutered.
I very much agree with you there. It would be so nice if people were better
informed about the different breeds temperments before they got that cute
adorable puppy, but human nature being what it is, I just don't see that
happening in the near future.
Kath
Love your dog? Feed him BARF
http://members.aol.com/kf2357/barf.htm
louise richmond
Perhaps the best thing you can do for your dog is hand him over to a
vet/shelter and leave him there. The shelter will have him treated.
If you cant afford the vets bills then don't get a dog.
Trust me
louise
"Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Dianne Schoenberg" <dia...@user2.teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:8k2pkt$fl6$1...@user2.teleport.com...
> > In article <5sQ85.7847$cR2.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > >I don't GET dog related emergencies.
> >
> > Elaine, most of us are aware that you would rather let a dog
> > die slowly and painfully than seek medical attention for
> > him/her.
>
> That's silly. Many many people have come on this newsgroup with cancer
> victim dogs. Poor sick animals they keep hanging on suffering for months.
> NO WAY would I advocate extended suffering. If the animal is terminal,
their
> suffering should end as quickly as possible.
>
>
>
KauilaPolu
>Date: 7/9/00 3:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>
>Your dog WILL die if not treated.
If you would have read 'all' the posts from this poor guy you would know that
he said
Dianne Schoenberg
Elaine Gallant <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Most people don't have the resources to treat parvo.
Median household income in the US in 1998 was $38,885. Yes,
I should think that the average household can afford an
$800 vet bill every now and then.
Dianne
Gary G
Elaine Gallant wrote:
>
> Most people don't have the resources to treat parvo. I wouldn't dream of
> giving up the joy of keeping dogs just because I can't pay the big bucks for
> medical treatments.
>
> "louise richmond" <lour...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:8kate8$q1a$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...
> > Your dog WILL die if not treated.
> >
> > Perhaps the best thing you can do for your dog is hand him over to a
> > vet/shelter and leave him there. The shelter will have him treated.
> > If you cant afford the vets bills then don't get a dog.
> >
> > Trust me
> >
> > louise
> >
> >
> > "Elaine Gallant" <elaine....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:v9995.8850$oh5.6...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > "Dianne Schoenberg" <dia...@user2.teleport.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8k2pkt$fl6$1...@user2.teleport.com...
> > > > In article <5sQ85.7847$cR2.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Melissa
having diarrhea, be left in the owners car until they are tested. If they
test positive they are either treated, euthanized or the owner takes them
home to try home care (if money is an issue). We have a big problem with
Parvovirus in our area so we just treat all vomiting and diarrhea puppies as
if they have parvo until they are tested otherwise.
I dont work at a Humane Society, I work at a Veterinary Clinic, we do not
just euthanize every sick animal that comes through our door. Most dog
owners are willing to try treating their new puppy.
A majority of the puppies that come in with Parvovirus are to young to have
finished their vaccine series.
Melissa
Pamela wrote:
>Call me a dummy, but how does your clinic know which dogs have parvo?
>There are lots of things that can cause dogs to vomit, have diarreah,
>waste and etc. All dogs (and cats) should be given appropriate
>immunizations, and if the owners can't afford them, they shouldn't own
>pets at all. If the animals are symptomatic, they should be put down.
>In any case, all pets should be properly socialized and neutered. EOD.
Poet74
infection brought on by the parvo virus. His lungs kept building up fluids.
I did contact a vet and he said there was nothing he could do really.
At least he was surrounded by people who loved him through the entire
ordeal.
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only hope to be loved as much as your boy was and to be surrounded by those
who love us when it's time to lay down our robes.....
Annette
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KauilaPolu
>Date: 7/9/00 7:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Thank you all those that helped, unfortunetly he died of a secondary
>infection brought on by the parvo virus. His lungs kept building up fluids.
>I did contact a vet and he said there was nothing he could do really.
>
>At least he was surrounded by people who loved him through the entire
>ordeal.
>
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>Once again from the ashes arises a lone Poet in his quest to fulfill the
>worlds need for, "Just one more opinion".
I wanted to find you a miracle. I thought about your battle to save your little
friend since I read your first post. To say I am 'sorry' sounds trite...but I
can think of nothing else. I'm sorry.
Poet74
appreciated..and I am sure Skuzzy (my dog...who was a roll in the dirt
messed up hair funny lookin pup..thats how he became Skuzzy) apreciates it.
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