My dog ate chicken bones
Lenia2001
last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
, I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
him.Any
body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
fishhead
My Dobie is a cronic garbage sifter and raids the trash bag whenever she
can. She has on several occasions gotten chicken and porkchop bones. I
watched her too but nothing ever happened. None got caught in her mouth or
throat. She was so sneaky,.. she'd wait till i went to take a shower or
was in another room on the phone. She'd then get sneakily off the recliner
and pussyfoot into the kitchen. She knew enough not to rattle the bag or
knock the can over,..she is so SMART! Our other big dog Shadow will watch
her do this but doesn't try it. She's gotten chicken bones several times
now so now I put the whole trashcan on the counter till i can take it
outside and out of her grasp. Carol
Lenia2001 <leni...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970523234...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Susan Mudgett aka little gator
Lenia2001 (leni...@aol.com) wrote:
: last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
: , I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
: him.Any
: body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
He might be just fine or he might get very sick. Watch for
sluggishness, loss of appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, crying when he
passes stool, or bloody stool or vomit. If you see any of these things
or he otherwise seems ill, get him to the vet. Otherwise just keep
watching him.
Re...@ms1.hinet.net
In article <19970523234...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
leni...@aol.com (Lenia2001) wrote:
> last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
> , I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
> him.Any
> body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
My dog always eats some chicken bones, the chicken are fried in oil
and so far there has never been a problem.
However, some time ago a friend fed him lamb chop bones, and many,
and the lamb chop were grilled (making the bone hard and brittle)
That was a problem! Diarrhea for one week.
It is probably helpful if you feed him some kibble after he eats the bones, so
they move better through the intestines.
Don Baldwinson
In article <19970523234...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, leni...@aol.com
says...
>
>last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
>, I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
>him.Any
>body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
>
She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
Susan Mudgett aka little gator
Don Baldwinson (wr...@ihug.co.nz) wrote:
: My dog (large Ridgeback) ALWAYS eats our left-over chicken carcasses.
: She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
: nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
Yes, but they would eat them raw. Cooked chicken bones are notoriously
brittle and shatter when chewed into pointed shards. I've seen more
than one dog passing blood from both ends when his insides were cut up
by fragments of cooked chicken bones.
Don Baldwinson
In article <5mbr3r$d...@harvee.billerica.ma.us>, s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us
says...
Either your dogs are wimps, or our chicken are wimps!!!
All of us...
On 26 May 1997 08:37:50 GMT, wr...@ihug.co.nz (Don Baldwinson) wrote:
>In article <19970523234...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, leni...@aol.com
>says...
>>
>>last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
>>, I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
>>him.Any
>>body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
>>
>My dog (large Ridgeback) ALWAYS eats our left-over chicken carcasses.
>She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
>nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
>
In nature they wouldnt be cooked.
Never feed cooked bones only raw.
Kim
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al...@ncia.net
On 26 May 1997 08:37:50 GMT, wr...@ihug.co.nz (Don Baldwinson) wrote:
>My dog (large Ridgeback) ALWAYS eats our left-over chicken carcasses.
>She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
>nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
Yes, probably. But they wouldn't cook it, which increases the
liklihood that the bone will splinter. That and poultry bones are
extremely sharp anyway. Needless to add, I presume, that the life
expectancy of a dog in the wild is significantly less than a domestic
dog that is rendered necessary veterinary care and fed a balanced diet
(barring the genetic defects we have managed to "breed into" them)
You are very fortunate. The fact remains that bones, poultry bones
foremos and cooked bones in general, can cause injury. Why take an
unnecessary chance? Give your dog nylabone that you've covered with
some drippings. He'll be just as happy, and probably healthier too.
Alyx
>
fishhead
I always give my dogs the chicken and turkety neck, and body bones but not
the legs and wings as they do get brittle and splinter. I give them the
left over pork hocks and pigsfeet from the beans. These pork bones are
soft as are the cooked neck bones of pigs. They consume the entire bone.
They can however get constipated if overfed on bones. I feed them their
regular meal and then give the bones and no constipation. Carol>
All of us...
Im sorry but I disagree dogs can and do live very long healthy lives
on natural raw diets. Processed balanced food is not the be all and
end all of dog diets.
If you get a natural diet right (very easy to do) and yes that
includes raw meaty bones then your dogs will be very happy and healthy
on it.
Nylabones are ok for round the house but nothing beats raw bones for
your dog to munch on outside. In regards to dogs dieing younger in
the wild I think you will find it is from many things other then
obstructions and intestinal perforations from raw bones.
Marie Moore
Years ago, our Borzoi stole some BBQed chicken off the counter (he was
sneaky and *fast*). Of course, it was on a Sunday night, so we
called the local emergency vet clinic. They told us to feed him a
big bowl of milk, bread, and Metamucil mixed together, the theory
being that this would thickly coat his digestive tract and also
make him eliminate the bones (which would, we hoped, be safely
surrounded by mushy bread). It worked, and he didn't even have
diarhhea. A friend's Basset did the same thing last week, and
we recommended the same treatment, and it worked for them, too.
Andrea Madeley
> You are very fortunate. The fact remains that bones, poultry bones
> foremos and cooked bones in general, can cause injury. Why take an
> unnecessary chance? Give your dog nylabone that you've covered with
> some drippings. He'll be just as happy, and probably healthier too.
> Alyx
Actually, give your dog a chicken neck if you are worried about poultry
bones splintering. Just make sure they are raw.
Nylabones can also be deadly. A decent sized dog can crack those suckers in
two and they sit in the gut like a rock.
--
Andrea Madeley
Aldinga Beach / South Australia
Don Baldwinson
In article <338a2b5c...@news.ncia.net>, al...@ncia.net says...
>
>On 26 May 1997 08:37:50 GMT, wr...@ihug.co.nz (Don Baldwinson) wrote:
>
>
>>My dog (large Ridgeback) ALWAYS eats our left-over chicken carcasses.
>>She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
>>nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
>
>Yes, probably. But they wouldn't cook it, which increases the
>liklihood that the bone will splinter. That and poultry bones are
>extremely sharp anyway. Needless to add, I presume, that the life
>expectancy of a dog in the wild is significantly less than a domestic
>dog that is rendered necessary veterinary care and fed a balanced diet
>(barring the genetic defects we have managed to "breed into" them)
>
>foremos and cooked bones in general, can cause injury. Why take an
>unnecessary chance? Give your dog nylabone that you've covered with
>some drippings. He'll be just as happy, and probably healthier too.
>
>Alyx
>>
>
heed of your advice. But this will make you shit bricks!! My Ridgeback
also always beats me to dried out fish skeletons on the beach, and won't let
go. You should hear the splintering sounds when she chomps them up. I've
given up worrying, but it makes me cringe too!!!! However after 4 years, a
chicken every week, and regular fish....shes never shown a drop of blood and
her coat shines like burnished wheat. Maybe a dog bred to eat a lion before
breakfast knows best????
MishaHouse
Don, Hear, hear! What do people think canids ate before the (fairly
recent) advent of kibble, anyway? I would have to agree with Alyx on the
cooking issue--I feed my boys all their bones raw--but as for a more
natural diet, I'm with you all the way.
Belinda
Angella Neville
Recently in the vet's column in our local paper, he suggested sauted
chicken wings as snacks for cats and dogs. According to him, modern
chickens are bred with pretty weak bones, so they're safe nowadays. This
really surprised me, as I'd been brought up on the 'no chicken or lamb
bones' rule. But the guy was the chief vet for the RSPCA in Brisbane, so
maybe there's something in it.
All of us... <Daysea*why*@magna.com.au> wrote in article
<338a45fa...@news.magna.com.au>...
> >My dog (large Ridgeback) ALWAYS eats our left-over chicken carcasses.
> >She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem.
In
> >nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
> >
> In nature they wouldnt be cooked.
> Never feed cooked bones only raw.
Rick
not live beyond prime breeding years in the wild (life is harsh) but we
try to let or pets do better than that, that is why we medicate them so
they won't die of an infection that would have killed them prior to the
antibiotics discovery. The fact is many animals eat things that will kill
them prematurely but nature has species propagation as a priority and we
human pet owners have our companions longevety in mind.
Just a counter thought.
Rick
All of us...
On 29 May 1997 07:21:45 GMT, "Angella Neville"
<s07...@student.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>Recently in the vet's column in our local paper, he suggested sauted
>chicken wings as snacks for cats and dogs. According to him, modern
>chickens are bred with pretty weak bones, so they're safe nowadays. This
>really surprised me, as I'd been brought up on the 'no chicken or lamb
>bones' rule. But the guy was the chief vet for the RSPCA in Brisbane, so
>maybe there's something in it.
>
ide still not feed cooked cause even if they are weak they still can
splinter into very sharp pieces that raw cant.
Susan S. Reaney
I don't care if the vet says its OK or not I would not let mine eat them.
REASON: My husband thought the ribs that I brought home one day were beef
bones...they were not! They were Pork...he let our dog have one. and sure
nuff they splintered...the dog had a heck of a time passing them, so bad
that I was affraid to leave for my trip, and I didn't..atleast not until I
knew that he was alright....Even then I took him for a check up to make
sure he was ok.
MORAL: Dont do it.
All of us... <Daysea*why*@magna.com.au> wrote in article
<338e6cbd...@news.magna.com.au>...
MishaHouse
Rick, this is true, but don't over-simplify: There are MANY, MANY other
factors contributing to a shorter life span in non-domesticated animals,
not just diet. You can't honestly believe a house dog lives longer
because he eats kibble?
I felt much the same as you when first exposed to all this raw/natural
stuff, but the more I learn, the more raw food I seem to be incorporating
into my dogs' diet, and the healthier and more vibrant they get!
Just my personal experience,
Belinda
MishaHouse
<<MORAL: Dont do it.>>
OR: Know Your Resources. I get my raw bones from a very reliable butcher
shop, where there is no possibility of confusing pork with beef.
Belinda
Rick
Granted, point taken. The hyperbole of newsgroups requires one to shoot
first, explain later.
Rick
js...@frognet.net
Don Baldwinson wrote:
>
> In article <19970523234...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, leni...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> >last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
> >, I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
> >him.Any
> >body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
> >
> She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
> nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
My Maltese-Poodle mix got into the neighbor's gargbage after a barbeque,
and ate chicken bones. Her stomach became impacted, and she stopped
eating, drinking, and pooping. The vet told us she would need major
(and expensive) surgery to remove the impaction. As she was 16 years
old, and had congestive heart problems, and was in the early stages of
liver and kidney failure, we had her put down rather than put her
through a surgery that would probably kill her anyway. To this day, I
get hysterical if I see a dog with chicken bones.
I realize my dog was much smaller than the one in question here, and she
ate a lot more of the bones than normal, but it still makes me nervous.
Just my 2 cents worth......................Jennie
Lenia2001
I was watching him for a week , and thank God he is allright. But I tell
you, I will be very carefull from now on with my garbage.
Re...@ms1.hinet.net
In article <339049...@frognet.net>
js...@frognet.net wrote:
> Don Baldwinson wrote:
>>
>> In article <19970523234...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, leni...@aol.com
>> says...
>> >
1.) >> >last night my dog ate chicken bones from my garbage and I am very worried
>> >, I called my vet and he told me to feed him bread and to keep an eye on
>> >him.Any
>> >body knows how dangerous this could be?He is a very large dog .
>> >
2.) >> My dog (large Ridgeback) ALWAYS eats our left-over chicken carcasses.
>> She would kill me if I disposed of them!!!!!!!! Never had a problem. In
>> nature, wouldn't dogs catch and eat wild fowl from time to time????????
>
3.) > My Maltese-Poodle mix got into the neighbor's gargbage after a barbeque,
> and ate chicken bones. Her stomach became impacted, and she stopped
> eating, drinking, and pooping.
The problem in 3.) is, I think not the chicken bones, it is the barbeque.
My dog always manages to get some chicken bones from the garbage and so far
I was always worried, too.
Because some time ago, at a barbeque, someone fed him lamb bones in a larger
quantity and he was sick for one week (loose stool, some drips of blood in it), so
a similar problem as in 3.)
It seems when bones are grilled in a barbeque they become hard and tend to
splinter, thus obstructing and hurting the intestines. So barbequed chicken bones
should be even worse than lamb bones.
So be careful with your dog at a barbeque.
Another issue, I think is the ratio to other food , so in a scenario as in
2.) the chicken should be eaten with not so sharp knives, so later there
is enough meat left on the carcass to wrap up the bones.
And if you can catch the dog after eating the bones, give him something else to
eat immediately, so the bones can be wrapped into something.
MishaHouse
<<The hyperbole of newsgroups requires one to shoot
first, explain later. >>
Rick, I am LOL! This is so ABSOLUTELY true, and I couldn't have expressed
it better! And have you noticed how people are so ready to malign the
intelligence of total strangers, just because they happen to espouse a
different point of view? I've been lucky enough not to get "flamed" yet
(knock wood), but I'm appalled at some of the personal attacks I've seen
here.
Belinda
dogsnus
Re...@ms1.hinet.net wrote:
>
> Another issue, I think is the ratio to other food , so in a scenario as in
> 2.) the chicken should be eaten with not so sharp knives, so later there
> is enough meat left on the carcass to wrap up the bones.
>
> And if you can catch the dog after eating the bones, give him something else to
> eat immediately, so the bones can be wrapped into something.
Just a note here, in case anyone is thinking of following Rene's advice.
Rene is a self avowed dog abuser, doesnt believe in leashing the dog
in traffic and allows the dog to eat cardboard, so if you want your dog
to live, I wouldn't follow Rene's advice at all. Throw is right out
the window if you love your dog.
Terri
Re...@ms1.hinet.net
In article <3391C8...@cyberhighway.net>
dogsnus <Te...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
> to live, I wouldn't follow Rene's advice at all. Throw it right out
> the window if you love your dog.
> Terri
And another note:
Terri doesn't like me, because her dogs have much smaller brains than
my dog.
My dog looks before he crosses the road, and on major roads we look
together, with him on the leash.
Also, my dog knows that cardboard is for playing and not for eating.
The stupid Terridogs eat the cardboard. And because as we all know
in the long run dogs become like their masters and vice versa Terri now
after dinner starts niibbling at the dining table and wonders why
dinner tables are not made from liquorice, as they actually should be
part of the dinner like the name suggests.
So when you visit Terri: Don't bring card board and don't bring
any wooden things
Rene
Rick
Maybe the wrong forum for personal attacks.
Rick
dogsnus wrote:
>
> Re...@ms1.hinet.net wrote:
> >
>
> > Another issue, I think is the ratio to other food , so in a scenario as in
> > 2.) the chicken should be eaten with not so sharp knives, so later there
> > is enough meat left on the carcass to wrap up the bones.
> >
> > And if you can catch the dog after eating the bones, give him something else to
> > eat immediately, so the bones can be wrapped into something.
>
> Just a note here, in case anyone is thinking of following Rene's advice.
> Rene is a self avowed dog abuser, doesnt believe in leashing the dog
> in traffic and allows the dog to eat cardboard, so if you want your dog
> to live, I wouldn't follow Rene's advice at all. Throw is right out
Chris & MaryBeth
I can understand your point Rick, but if you have seen some of the posts
from rene you would understand Terri's warning. rene advocated holding her
dog up by the hind leg for punishment for a) chewing on electric cables or
b) chasing neighborhood children....depending on when you ask. rene has
given out alot of really bad advice and the main reason Terri and I and
others 'attack' that advice is to warn newbies about it so they don't use
it themselves. rene, when told in a responsible way, will continue to
defend his actions and continue to abuse and torture his dog. So as long as
trolls like rene post inappropriate advice we will continue to warn others
and 'attack' that advice.
MaryBeth
ru...@horizon.hit.net
Rick <1...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in article
<339424...@ns.sympatico.ca>...
Andrea Madeley
Carol,
With respect, you run a massive risk by feeding COOKED bones. The bones
should ALWAYS be fed raw without exception.
The reason being - when you cook meat and bones the heat creates changes in
the bone's composition. The fats that are in the bone initially leak out to
the meat causing the meat to become more tender and the bone more brittle.
What you have left in the bone is a caslified mass. If your dog eats this
it will digest VERY poorly indeed. A build up of these cooked bones can
also lead to an intestinal block.
Raw bones can be digested and are far less likely to ever splinter. Please
don't feed cooked bones - You have been lucky, that's all.
RICK
Point well taken. I have only recently begun watching this ng and a few
others and although I try to follow the thread for insight I am not
informed as to the history. Apologies begged! another problem I keep
getting trapped in is the cross posting so many people do; you think you
have followed a thread in this ng and you discover you are midway into a
lawsuit in another ng because someone has snipped your quote and used it
out of context. Thats newsgroup life though. Thanks again for the
set-straight.
Rick
Chris & MaryBeth wrote:
>
> I can understand your point Rick, but if you have seen some of the posts
> from rene you would understand Terri's warning. rene advocated holding her
> dog up by the hind leg for punishment for a)snip....
Chris & MaryBeth
S'ok Rick....as I said stick around and you will learn who to ignore <G> It
does get pretty tiresome with some of the threads and attacks. I try (tho
not always successfully) to 'attack' the advice not the person......except
of course for some of our residents trolls. Sometimes I just can't help it
<G>
Welcome to rpd Rick.....nice to meet you :)
MaryBeth
RICK <1...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in article <339509...@ns.sympatico.ca>...
Re...@ms1.hinet.net
In article <01bc7032$1a108fe0$3ea0...@rudy.hit.net>
"Chris & MaryBeth" <ru...@horizon.hit.net> wrote:
> I can understand your point Rick, but if you have seen some of the posts
> from rene you would understand Terri's warning. rene advocated holding her
> dog up by the hind leg for punishment for a) chewing on electric cables or
> b) chasing neighborhood children....
That was not for chasing the neighborhood children, but for biting me.
You should give a clear account on what happened, or didn't you understand
what this was about? Then you should keep quiet.
Chris & MaryBeth
OK rene.....here we go again....for the newbies....
Quotes from our resident dog abuser....
3-21-97...
>If my dog shows me his teeth I get a glove, pull one of his hind legs and
>hold him up in the air, squeaking, for about one minute and yell at him.
>After that he hides away for about ten minutes, then slowly comes
>back to me and is much nicer than before.
SHOWS his teeth...no mention of BITING
3-27-97...
>Taking the dog up by his hind leg was not intended to be abuse but some
kind
>of punishment.
>You should also not link this to child abuse. I have a different view
about it and you
>should accept that.
>Of course nowadays the "positive Methods" seem to be very popular, but
>unfortunatelythey take too much time, so sometimes I choose the
traditional >method, punishment.
>I read that it is useless to beat a dog, so I tried to find a different
method.
>What effective methods can you suggest to punish a dog?
you had to READ that is was useless to beat a dog??????
3-22-97...
In article <5gvp5d$2...@basement.replay.com>
nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
Ref:
>> >If my dog shows me his teeth I get a glove, pull one of his hind legs
>> >and hold him up in the air, squeaking, for about one minute and yell
>> >at him.
>> >After that he hides away for about ten minutes, then slowly comes
>> >back to me and is much nicer than before.
>> >
bob...@aol.com wrote:
>> This method is 1. cruel, 2.confusing to the dog, 3. totally
stupid
>> and 4.totally uncalled for. You outta be 5. ashamed of yourself.
>1. Biting me is cruel to me, it hurts much longer than one minute
>2. Not to my dog. He completly understood what I mean
>4. The dog asked for it
>5. So should be the dog, you do not show your teeth to your master.
If you are an employee and insult your boss, you are fired, too
Once AGAIN DEFENDING your abuse !!!
nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
> the dog bites me, this is ANIMAL ABUSing me !!!!
4-14-97...
>Actually, its all my dogs fault:
>1. I hang him from the hind legs two times and no problems.
>I now asked a Vet and he also said I should not do it , it can
>cause a dislocated joint. If he walks normally after that
>there is no problem, but better not do it. So I must think
>of something else the next time corrective action should
>be necessary.
After being told over and over that holding the dog by hind legs was NOT
the way to correct dog biting you....you changed it to doing it when the
dog attempted to eat cables.....
4-12-97
I wrote..
>
>> Rene go ahead and let yer dog eat/shred all the cardboard in yer
>> house. Then you will have another excuse to
> >a) hang him up by the hind leg
> >b) hold him up by his neck and yell at him
>I used to do that when he was starting to bite the cables of my computer.
>He learned quickly. And he never started biting mains cords, which could
>become his last bite.
In article <NrJkzAeR...@netcom.com>
ms...@netcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote:
>> and hanging the dog by one leg.
>I did this one time, because the dog wanted to bite me, and there has
>never been a similar problem again. Also, my dog does not chase children
>anymore after that time.
So why would you say this about not chasing children anyore after you hung
him up by his hind legs??????
And to top it off you see nothing wrong with feeding dog cat feces.....
5-2-97...
In article <336a514b...@news.fastlane.net>
cur...@pobox.REMOVE.com wrote:
>> My 10 year old male dog has started eating my cat's feces.
>> Why and what can I do about it?
> >
> >HELP!
>As far as I know nothing, cat can not fully digest protein, so the feces
>are very nourishing and attractive for dogs.
>The problem, I think, are the germs in the cats feces, so make sure your
dog
>can not get them. Most people put the cat litter in a position where the
>cat can get in and the dog not.
>Or microwave them to 80 degr. Celsius before giving them to your dog.
So my dear rene.....remember we can all go back to dejanews to see how many
reasons you have given so far for your abuse.....that doesn't even
matter....the REAL point here is you abuse your dog and defend that. So
don't tell me to get the facts straight sweetie.....maybe its time for you
to 'keep quiet'.....tho I doubt that will ever happen <G>
MaryBeth
Re...@ms1.hinet.net wrote in article <5n68r1$2...@netnews.hinet.net>...
fishhead
Dear Andrea, these are bones left over from the kitchen. They were used to
flavor a meal and would otherwise be thrown out. They are cooked until
they are quite soft (neck pork bones & hocks). I can't give them raw as
they're already cooked out - that was why they were bought in the first
place. It's hard to get beef soup joint bones in my area. These I just
run through the microwave and feed almost raw. Other bones are cooked so
long they are almost soft - it's hard to explain. I have done this for 40
years and so far have not had 1 problem except when they raided the bones
(stole them from the counter) one time and ecame constipated! I gave them
mineral oil and they pooped ok. Now the extra's go into the fridge so i
can control the amount they get. Their teeth are white and beautiful.
Their gums are healthy and no tarter is on their teeth.
Thanks for the advice. Carol
Re...@ms1.hinet.net
In article <01bc71fe$d68fa020$31a0...@rudy.hit.net>
"Chris & MaryBeth" <ru...@horizon.hit.net> wrote:
> OK rene.....here we go again....for the newbies....
> Quotes from our resident dog abuser....
>
> 3-21-97...
>>If my dog shows me his teeth I get a glove, pull one of his hind legs and
>>hold him up in the air, squeaking, for about one minute and yell at him.
>>After that he hides away for about ten minutes, then slowly comes
>>back to me and is much nicer than before.
>
> SHOWS his teeth...no mention of BITING
The dog did bite me shortly before, and the next thing is biting. I can
only repeat that I believe that the dog must never even think that he can
reach something with biting.
When he bites you an then you go to the library to find a book on dog
training, read it and then carefully start the obedience training, the dog
already got the impression that he knows a way to control you, to which
he can always go back to as a last resort.
If you show him immediately, within an hour that that is not the case
he will much more reliably forget about that way of controlling you.
>
> 3-27-97...
>>Taking the dog up by his hind leg was not intended to be abuse but some
> kind
>>of punishment.
>>You should also not link this to child abuse. I have a different view
> about it and you
>>should accept that.
>>Of course nowadays the "positive Methods" seem to be very popular, but
>>unfortunatelythey take too much time, so sometimes I choose the
> traditional method, punishment.
>>I read that it is useless to beat a dog, so I tried to find a different
> method.
>>What effective methods can you suggest to punish a dog?
>
> you had to READ that is was useless to beat a dog??????
>
> 3-22-97...
> In article <5gvp5d$2...@basement.replay.com>
> nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>
>
> Ref:
>
> bob...@aol.com wrote:
>>> This method is 1. cruel, 2.confusing to the dog, 3. totally
> stupid
>>> and 4.totally uncalled for. You outta be 5. ashamed of yourself.
>
>>1. Biting me is cruel to me, it hurts much longer than one minute
>>2. Not to my dog. He completly understood what I mean
>>4. The dog asked for it
>>5. So should be the dog, you do not show your teeth to your master.
> If you are an employee and insult your boss, you are fired, too
>
> Once AGAIN DEFENDING your abuse !!!
>
> nob...@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:
>
>> the dog bites me, this is ANIMAL ABUSing me !!!!
>
>
> After being told over and over that holding the dog by hind legs was NOT
> the way to correct dog biting you....you changed it to doing it when the
> dog attempted to eat cables.....
I never said that I would do that if the dog chews on cables.
I gave him cardboard, so he had something to chew that is not
dangerous to him.
What you read below was composed by someone else, and says
more about the dark side of that person's mind than about my
dog training abilities/mistakes
You misunderstood.
>
> 4-12-97
> I wrote..
>>
>>> Rene go ahead and let yer dog eat/shred all the cardboard in yer
>>> house. Then you will have another excuse to
>> >a) hang him up by the hind leg
>> >b) hold him up by his neck and yell at him
>
>
> In article <NrJkzAeR...@netcom.com>
> ms...@netcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote:
>
>>> and hanging the dog by one leg.
>
>>I did this one time, because the dog wanted to bite me, and there has
>>never been a similar problem again. Also, my dog does not chase children
>>anymore after that time.
>
> So why would you say this about not chasing children anyore after you hung
> him up by his hind legs??????
>
On that day I wrote this I remembered that he had done this the day I
had to punish him, and never did this again afterwards, just a side effect.
> And to top it off you see nothing wrong with feeding dog cat feces.....
>
> 5-2-97...
> In article <336a514b...@news.fastlane.net>
> cur...@pobox.REMOVE.com wrote:
>
>>> My 10 year old male dog has started eating my cat's feces.
>>> Why and what can I do about it?
>> >
>>As far as I know nothing, cat can not fully digest protein, so the feces
>>are very nourishing and attractive for dogs.
>>The problem, I think, are the germs in the cats feces, so make sure your
> dog
>>can not get them. Most people put the cat litter in a position where the
>>cat can get in and the dog not.
>>Or microwave them to 80 degr. Celsius before giving them to your dog.
I posted it that way because I hoped someone would enlighten me
about the problems with cat feces.
I think the only comment was about the litter in the litterbox, that can
cause cancer when inhaled, and probably also when fed.
Anyway, someone who would get so far as to pasteurize the cat
poop in his microwave.... only very, very few people would do that.
The tendency of my reply is rather: don't let him eat it.
So what is the problem? Did you misunderstand again?
How often do I read here in the newsgroups that dogs are put down
because they bite someone. So you should welcome that I try to
avoid that problem for my dog, even when the method is not to
your liking.
Kieron Dodds
Man, oh man. YOU should be hung up by your legand forced to eat microwaved
cat poop for even *attempting* to justify or explain yourself (yet again)
on these matters. Oh, and as far as I know, there are NO carcinogens in
cat litter.
--
Kieron Dodds
kdo...@msn.com
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