Sawdust in commercial dog food?

[johnrosoff]

A friend works for what used to be Santa Fe R.R. and he told me that
shipments of sawdust to dog food manufacturers is common. I find it hard to
believe that cellulose is used in dog food. Anyone know anything about
this?
http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/1431/

[Janet Zimmerman]

You'd be surprised what goes into cheap dog food. By-products can be
aything from bones to dried blood, or even feces. I'm sure someone else
will jump in here and help me defend the better brands of natural dog
food(those without by-products). Janet

[Delites Shih Tzu]

Actually, by products are rarely feces. By products are normally NOT
used parts of an animal such as heads, feet, and even feathers and such.
Animal digest is usually feces.

--
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[Chopsly]

Actually, a digest is a mixture of ingredients, usually animal in origin,
that has been subjected to hydrolysis, usually enzymatic, to convert it from
a solid to liquid base. It is then used as a palatability enhancer, usually
surface coated.

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[KauilaPolu]

I would say sawdust is the LEAST of our worries as to what goes into dogfood. I
saw a t.v.program (quiet some time ago)that focused on the issue of allowing
euthanized animals contracted by petfood companies to be collected and
processed for petfoods. Also, this same program said roadkill is even donated
by these same animal shelters along with the euthanized animals. Beyond the
obvious sick thought of all this, scientific data has proven that NO species is
meant to ingest or feed off of their own species. To eat your own is to infect
and eventually kill off your own. I.E. : mad cow disease, in essence was simply
the result of cows being fed 'by products' that included parts of other cow.

[rac...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net]

Sawdust may be a step up. If something is going into petfood, it is a
safe bet to assume that it is deemed by inspectors as being unfit for
human consumption. If it were human grade, it would command a higher
price, but moldy grains, for example, are only acceptable in petfoods,
so the are dirt cheap. Fillers in some foods include things like peanut
shells (yummy?) and hulls, etc. The reall nasty things are meat
by-products, which are essentially any and *all* parts deemed unfit for
human consumption as well as any 4-D animal, a designation which refers
to dead, dying, disabled or diseased. Again, there is no other use for
these other than animal foods, so that is what they are used for. There
are several lesser known brands of pet foods that use no by-products and
only use human-grade foods like http://www.naturapet.com and others and
they are not a lot more expensive than others (Innova for cats is about
$1.30/pound.) Science Diet, Iams and Eukanuba all use pet-grade foods
with by-products and Nutro uses pet-grade foods.
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[R. Kingsboro]

Mays wrote...

> Has it ever occurred to you that not everything that is delivered to a
> factory making dog food goes into the food? I would bet that they
> also get deliveries of cleaning supplies and toilet paper. In many
> factories of this sort, sawdust is used on the floor to absorb spills.
>
> Ruth Mays
> Cinnaminson NJ

Actually, "powdered cellulose" (They can't very well call it 'sawdust.'
The product wouldn't sell as well. :) makes up a considerable portion
of many cheaper dog foods; as much as 14% of the final product.

Perhaps they do use it to soak up spills... then add it to the dog
food. Who knows, they have to do something with it after it's been
used if that's what it's used for to begin with. :)

R. Kingsboro, CVN

[Elaine Gallant]

Janet Zimmerman wrote in message
<279-37E...@newsd-253.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

You'd be surprised what goes into cheap dog food. By-products can be
aything from bones to dried blood, or even feces.

There's nothing wrong with bones or blood.... no feces please!
Of course, I feed BARF.

[Elaine Gallant]

rac...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net wrote in message
<37E44CAA...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net>...

>Sawdust may be a step up. If something is going into petfood, it is a
>safe bet to assume that it is deemed by inspectors as being unfit for
>human consumption. If it were human grade, it would command a higher
>price, but moldy grains, for example, are only acceptable in petfoods,
>so the are dirt cheap. Fillers in some foods include things like peanut
>shells (yummy?) and hulls, etc. The reall nasty things are meat
>by-products, which are essentially any and *all* parts deemed unfit for
>human consumption as well as any 4-D animal, a designation which refers
>to dead, dying, disabled or diseased.

I am not the first to point this out....but what did you THINK that
predators like dogs ate in the wild? Hint: it doesn't come wrapped in
plastic with a blue stamp reading "USDA #1".
Wild dogs specialize in picking off or cleaning up dead, dying, disabled
and diseased animals.

[Elaine Gallant]

Getting back to wild dogs.... Did you ever think of raw meat as from a
carcass getting dragged all over the ground while dogs ripped the flesh from
the bones? Once the skin is off, that meat is wet. As such, it's picking up
anything dry with which it comes into contact. Like a pork chop when you
roll it in flour before cooking.
The carcass will be picking up straw, sticks, dirt, and gravel. Dogs very
happily wolf this all down.

R. Kingsboro wrote in message <7s1vhb$735$1...@athena.netset.com>...

[Elaine Gallant]

On the contrary. The way that digestion functions is that the closer
material is to your own tissue, the greater it's food value. This is why
meat is higher in protein than vegetable material.
The similarly to our own physical makeup is why allergic animals can eat
lamb or chicken without an allergic reaction.
In cases of children born without an intact immune system, all they can
digest is human milk.
In fact, that's the point of all mother's milk. It's a protien that is
exactly like the animal in question, so there's never any problem for the
baby animal to have to learn to digest it.

KauilaPolu wrote in message
<19990918202112...@ng-fk1.aol.com>...

[Sunshine]

Powdered cellulose is used in dog food as well as people food. Many reduced
calorie dog foods use cellulose as filler to help Fido keep that full
feeling. Beet pulp is also used but can interfere with the absorbtion of
certain vitamins and minerals. Cellulose has a much better track record in
helping to keep the vitamins and minerals in the dog. For those of you
eating "lite" bread, read the label. Lots of the lo-cal brand use
cellulose, it's also high fiber.
Bon apetite
Carol

johnrosoff wrote in message ...

[Sam]

Can you please show us or provide the source for your beet pulp statement.
I do not believe this is based on any published study but only an
assumption.
Sam
f8n...@bigfoot.com

Sunshine <thepe...@nnex.net> wrote in message
news:rub1k4...@corp.supernews.com...

[eric...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, johnrosoff wrote:
> A friend works for what used to be Santa Fe R.R. and he told me that
> shipments of sawdust to dog food manufacturers is common. I find it hard to
> believe that cellulose is used in dog food. Anyone know anything about
> this?
> http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/1431/

It happens, lots of products that are not healthy end up in dog food. That's why I try and use as much whole food to feed my dogs as I can. Then I add a little of the highest rated dry food to it. But never all dry food. I figure if you tried to live on 100% processed food all the time it would not be healthy, so why give it to your dog...Eric from orthopedicbeds.com

[Mark Fischer]

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On Saturday, September 18, 1999 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-6, johnrosoff wrote:
> A friend works for what used to be Santa Fe R.R. and he told me that
> shipments of sawdust to dog food manufacturers is common. I find it hard to
> believe that cellulose is used in dog food. Anyone know anything about
> this?
> http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/1431/

This is an old thread, but since people still read these, thought I'd post. Sawdust, known as Vegetable Cellulose, is indeed in pet foods and some people foods. It's a cheap filler made from wood. The worst thing about it is that the sawdust absorbs all the vitamins and nutrients of the foods eaten and then carries it right out of the body. Pets fed Vegetable Cellulose (sawdust) on a regular basis can then get vitamin and mineral difficiencies and resulting diseases. Horribly bad stuff, approved by the USDA after some Big Corps promised big campaign donations if it was approved.... same as most things are approved in the US.