Redrock Dobermans, litter & kennel info??? was Re: My web has all new pictures.
redrock105
I dont think you are interested in buying a puppy.
I will not even bother with someone who has a bad attitude.
Lisa D. <Breed_re...@no-spam.net> wrote in message news:376636...@no-spam.net...
redrock105 wrote:
> I am glad you enjoyed my Web and links I think many will love.
> I am updating my pictures all the time now.
[...]
> My counter got over 400 hits in less than one week.
> As long as you people love horses & Doberman Pinschers.
> The web site will stay available.
Interesting...you advertise puppies for sale and when I contacted you
for more
health and temperament information on the sire and dam of the litter,
you were quite rude.
> Subject: Doberman Pinscher Breeder.
> Date: 28 May 1999 07:09:50 GMT
> From: "redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net>
> Newsgroups: alt.animals.dog
>
> Howdy, IM new to the net.
> But I'M not new to Doberman Pinschers.
> I Breed Doberman Pinschers.
> If anyone has Questions regarding the Doberman I'm happy to offer my advice.
I'm not looking for "advice", I'm looking for information. I've
included my questions again, so perhaps this time you will answer
them?? :-)
> 1.Who should own a Doberman?
Tell us, who....???
> Ive sold Doberman Pinschers to people who only wanted a good Guard dog
Ahhh, so it's guard dogs that you sell? Are these trained guard dogs?
> and
> they found out very quickly they had a Dog that was very kind and loving.
> A good Doberman can and will Protect the ones they love.
A doberman with a PROVEN WORKING ABILITY and TEMPERAMENT will be a
better candidate to be counted on when the chips are down, so-to-speak.
> There's a difference in a Dobe that will protect you And one who is just out
> looking for trouble.
Please explain your statement. And this "looking for trouble"...how
does a doberman do this? Are they troublemakers in general?
> I tell people all the time there is nothing better than a good Doberman But
> there is nothing worse than a bad one.
Do tell...what IS a good doberman??? What is a bad doberman? Or better
yet, how do you educate people when they seek breed information?
Do you help with your local rescue and breed education efforts?
> Ive got some really nice pups available if your interested
I take it these pups are available because potential homes you had lined
up fell through??
I'm interested...in the following information;
-Tell me about your experience with the breed
-How many years have you been breeding?
-How many litters have you bred?
-Are you a member of the DPCA, UDC, Canadian KC or any other dog clubs?
-Tell me more about the breeding you are advertising and the pups
-Who are the sire and dam of the litter?
-How old were each at the time the breeding took place?
-How many litters has the sire contributed to?
-How many litters has your brood bitch whelped?
-What health & temperament testing have the sire and dam had?
-Will I find the results in the OFA stats?
-What performance titles have each earned?
-What do you mean by "Futurity Damasyn Line"?
***the "Futurity" is an event, not a "line" of Dobermans...
-Please tell us more about Damasyn, and the history/person(s) behind
Damasyn
-Are the sire and/or dam in any issues of the Doberman Quarterly that I
may look them up?
-What do you have available?
-Who grades your litters?
-What critieria is used to determine "show quality"?
-Tell us about your sales contract.
-What do you require of a potential puppy buyer?
> REDROCK Dobermans Make Excellent Family Companions.
>
> Lifetime Guaranteed.
Guaranteed...for...???
>Shipping Worldwide.
How do you screen potential puppy buyers?
> Don't forget to tell me where you saw the post.
>
> E mail me Shai...@email.com
Patiently awaiting this info. :-)
--
Lisa Ldouz@earthlinkdotnet
(replace "dot" to email)
PAUL & KIRSTEN REED
There are some freaks out there....
Kirsten
redrock105 wrote in message <7k60b3$m5m$0...@208.31.188.38>...
redrock105
Read the E Mail I got from Lisa
To anyone who is new to selling dog's.
Lesson one.
Anyone starting a breeder contact in a rude manner will never bring home a puppy of mine.
They are not interested in a dog.
I will block Lisa's messages in the future.
There is a difference in a person wanting information from a good breeder.
And a new client that is frothing at the mouth.
I would have yourself checked for Rabies Lisa.
People who want to buy a puppy are never rude.
There is no need for you to contact me again.
redro...@jobe.net
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/zimbabwe/887
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message news:7k60b3
Christy
I did see her ask a lot of questions that you didn't answer, though. That
says a lot about you as a breeder. I doubt anyone knowledgeable enough to
seek a responsible breeder would want to buy a dog from you.
Christy
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
news:7k6mi1$5rb$0...@208.31.188.64...
Labc...@webtv.net
contacting me for a puppy would be openly accepted for asking those
types of questions. It would show me that they are truly doing their
homework and want a puppy that is not only beautiful, but is of sound
mind and body. If someone took that much time to research the genetic
diseases, temperament, etc of my breed, it would no doubt mean to me
that they will also take the time to research the best veterinary care,
trainers, etc. They would be the ideal home.
I would be more than willing to answer questions like that as I have
nothing to hide, what is it that you are hiding???????
Dianne Mullikin
Rycroft Labradors and CC's
Labc...@webtv.net
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hollow/9026
Heidi Gagne
I would not worry about one persons opinion. I had a fear of dobies after
hearing lots of things about them and one day when I was 16 I came home from
school to find a rust colored dobie sitting in my front yard blocking my way
to the door. I went slowly around to the back scared to death. It followed
at a walk then a run. I nearly died and ran screaming to the back. It chased
me and I thought I was a goner when it knocked me down. Boy I could not have
been more wrong. It did nothing more than lick me to death. LOL! I got all
worked up for nothing because of some peoples stories about the dobie. geez.
I am stil respectful and wary around big dogs but never again will I be so
afraid. that rust dobie became one of my best companions. I lived on a pond
and my dad would not let me have a dog so the dobie was the best I could do.
He would come and play fetch with me at the pond. and we swam together and
wrestled in the sand and the grass. I miss him still so much and he was not
even mine. HE was truly a great dog. Oh, and he was abused too by an owner I
found out and he still had a charming personality and very friendly
demeanor. I do think it is wise to be wary but I learned there is no need to
freak out before you know what is what.
On another note, I worked at a grocery store once and was taking out this
lady's groceries to her car. She had a black lab in the car and I had no
fear what so ever of labs. I had one once named Angus. So, also at her
assurance it was ok , I loaded the car. ON the last bag I looked up to say
hi to the dog and he bit me right in the face. I got caught under my chin on
my forehead and my nose was bleeding. I think he bit twice. I went back into
the store bleeding everywhere and wiht the owner following me in hysterics
and apologizing and crying. Oh it was a mess. I never expected that from a
lab based on what I know and what I have heard. So you definetly cannot
judge a dog solely on breed.
Heidi
Christy
New breeders stand on there head trying to make a sale with a client like
that.
My lord.
That is not a sale.
That is someone trying to waste your time
Gee, and all this time I thought a responsible breeder was looking to
improve the breed by finding dogs that complemented each other, making sure
all health tests were conducted and the dogs were proven to be the highest
quality with conformation and/or working titles... and not just looking to
make a sale, but to place the right dog with the right family... ultimately
not always making back expenses let alone a profit.
How rude of me to think that, hmmm?
Christy
Lisa D.
SherEl Dog
>I dont think you are interested in buying a puppy.
How is it rude to be interested in finding out as much as possible before
spending good money on a puppy? Ethical breeders SHOULD expect to be asked
many questions by the potential puppy buyer and they should also ask many
questions of the buyer other than "will that be cash or check?"
People who are truly concerned about their breed(s) will continue to attempt
educating novice puppy buyers so they can weed out the breeders who are only
breeding for money.
If you feel Lisa's questions were *rude* I would seriously question your ethics
as a breeder. The Doberman is not a breed for just anyone, and an ethical
breeder recognizes that, not taking offense at legitimate questions and
concerns.
****Nancy E. Phillips, Seattle
Rescue page http://members.aol.com/shereldog/index.html
Sher-El Dobermans & Greyhounds "Spirit, Grace, Love"
Second Hand Dogs Give First Class Love - SPDR
PAUL & KIRSTEN REED
I totally agree!
I have got two dogs myself....
And you had every right to say what you said.
Kirsten
redrock105 wrote in message <7k6mi1$5rb$0...@208.31.188.64>...
Read the E Mail I got from Lisa
To anyone who is new to selling dog's.
Lesson one.
Anyone starting a breeder contact in a rude manner will never bring home a
puppy of mine.
They are not interested in a dog.
I will block Lisa's messages in the future.
There is a difference in a person wanting information from a good breeder.
And a new client that is frothing at the mouth.
I would have yourself checked for Rabies Lisa.
People who want to buy a puppy are never rude.
There is no need for you to contact me again.
redro...@jobe.net
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/zimbabwe/887
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message news:7k60b3
$m5m$0...@208.31.188.38...
I found you to be very rude.
I dont think you are interested in buying a puppy.
I will not even bother with someone who has a bad attitude.
Lisa D. <Breed_re...@no-spam.net> wrote in message
news:376636...@no-spam.net...
MaliMore
>
>I didn't see anything rude in her response.
>I did see her ask a lot of questions that you didn't answer, though. That
>says a lot about you as a breeder. I doubt anyone knowledgeable enough to
>seek a responsible breeder would want to buy a dog from you.
>
>Christy
Sorry, I just have to do this!
DITTO, CHRISTY! LMAO
Sorry, I'm sitting here on the stage and you guys look really goofy in your
underwear! <BG>
Mali
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be
misquoted, then used against you."
redrock105
I get calls from people from all over the world.
Most people are very friendly and easy to deal with.
When I work with my E Mail.
I am going to spend my time with happy people.
I offer advise to lots of people.
I think it's a good Idea to ask the proper questions before you buy a puppy.
But when someone starts making demands and boldly starts complaining.
I dont even give them the time of day.
New breeders stand on there head trying to make a sale with a client like that.
My lord.
That is not a sale.
Thanks for your positive input.
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/zimbabwe/887
PAUL & KIRSTEN REED <PR...@ipfb.net> wrote in message news:7k7a9m$uhp$1...@news10.roka.net...
redrock105
People see movies with Dobermans & depending on the film.
It gives Doberman a bad name.
My Doberman Pinschers smile & radiate love.
My Doberman Pinschers take turns riding in the car.
One of the best dogs for protection is the poodle.
But a Poodle would half to bite someone before they would listen.
Not to many people will call the bluff of a big Doberman.
My Doberman Pinschers love to swim in our pond.
They are very content to be by your side.
They care more about you than they do themselves.
There are plenty of good Labs out there as well.
There are good and bad dogs in all breeds.
I had a brand new litter of Doberman Pinscher puppies born today.
REDROCK Doberman Pinschers are known and shipped all over the world.
Happy Surfing the net.
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/zimbabwe/887
Heidi Gagne <roc...@itouch.net> wrote in message news:37672...@feed1.realtime.net...
MaryBeth
Okay, so, you met a nice dobie and a nasty lab. What the heck has this
got to do with whether the questions, VERY valid questions, by Lisa were
rude ??
FWIW Lisa is very knowledgeable about dogs and breeding. I'd trust her
in a second to refer me to a good breeder. Just because she asked you some
questions and BTW did *not* receive an answer, AFAIK, does not make her
rude. It seems to me that it makes *you* nervous. Why don't you answer them,
here in the group. Prove us all wrong. Tell us all about your breeding
program, other than you only want to deal with 'happy people'. <EG>
Waiting,
MaryBeth
redrock105
Dianne Schoenberg
>Gee, and all this time I thought a responsible breeder was looking to
>improve the breed by finding dogs that complemented each other, making sure
>all health tests were conducted and the dogs were proven to be the highest
>quality with conformation and/or working titles... and not just looking to
>make a sale, but to place the right dog with the right family...
The best breeders I know are not only concerned with making the right
placement, but also with *educating* the people that contact them.
It's pretty obvious that Redrock doesn't fall into this category
(more's the pity).
Dianne
PAUL & KIRSTEN REED
To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I wouldn't
sell her a dog either.
By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
Kirsten
MaryBeth wrote in message ...
Lisa Ochoa
>
> Well, redrock wasn't the only one who thought she was rude.
> To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I wouldn't
> sell her a dog either.
And if you were he I wouldn't buy a dog from you either, nor would I
recommend you to potential puppy purchaser (though I'd probably end up
with a lot of your produce in my house as foster dogs.....)
> By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
> Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
> Kirsten
No, Lisa was asking the questions that should be asked of EVERY breeder
by an educated purchaser. And educated purchasers know that when a
breeder can't or won't answer these questions, and then refers to the
querent as "rude" or a "freak [trying] to sound important" the said
purchasers should immediately go elsewhere because these breeders don't
care enough about their puppies to bother to do health checks or insure
their futures.
And the fact that you think asking these questions is "rude" says that
you couldn't answer them either, if they were posed about a litter you
bred.
Too bad, because these are the sorts of questions that separate
responsible, caring breeders from the greedy jerks breeding for a buck
=(
--
Lisa Ochoa, Proprietor, Ochoa's House of Dog Toys
Home of Archie, CGC (8yo Doberman/Torpedo);
Oliver, CD, NA, CGC, TDI, FM, 1/3 CDX, (TMWDITW - 9yo BC);
Nell, CGC (Gorgeous 8yo Lady Whippet);
Ripley, CGC, FDCH, 2/3 CD (3yo BC Wonder Pup);
Luke, CGC (3yo BC Extraordinaire);
and Solo, CGC the Son's Dog (5yo BC) l-o...@uiuc.edu
"It takes brains to understand a smart remark, but none to be
offended by it." (Miss Know-It-All, BC Comic Strip, 1/27/99)
Solaris Dobermans
along with research. A breeder has to be able to answer questions to
be able to build up trust. The breeder should ask the prospective
purchaser questions also in order to evaluate them.
It is my opinion that people who dodge questions in regards to their
breeding are avoiding their lack of knowledge, ethics, health/quality
of the animals, etc.
Granted, I'd much rather answer questions for a nice person, but you
learn real fast who are the ethical breeders and who are the ones just
out for a quick buck.
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
In article <7k8pra$bp0$1...@news10.roka.net>,
"PAUL & KIRSTEN REED" <PR...@ipfb.net> wrote:
> Well, redrock wasn't the only one who thought she was rude.
> To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I
wouldn't
> sell her a dog either.
> By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
> Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
> Kirsten
> MaryBeth wrote in message ...
> >
> > Okay, so, you met a nice dobie and a nasty lab. What the heck
has this
> >got to do with whether the questions, VERY valid questions, by Lisa
were
> >rude ??
> > FWIW Lisa is very knowledgeable about dogs and breeding. I'd
trust her
> >in a second to refer me to a good breeder. Just because she asked
you some
> >questions and BTW did *not* receive an answer, AFAIK, does not make
her
> >rude. It seems to me that it makes *you* nervous. Why don't you
answer
> them,
> >here in the group. Prove us all wrong. Tell us all about your
breeding
> >program, other than you only want to deal with 'happy people'. <EG>
> >
> >Waiting,
> >MaryBeth
> >
> >
>
>
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Solaris Dobermans
They smile and radiate love.
They love to swim in the lake.
They are content by your side.
They care about you more than they do themselves.
But.......do you care about them more than you do yourself????????
Tell us about your health testing and pedigrees. What kind of working
evaluations have they passed?????
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
Lilly's Poetic Justice, WAC, TT (major pointed)
Solaris Blue Supreme Diamond, TT
Briarwood Shogun v. Solaris (too young to temperament test)
ALL HEALTH TESTED
In article <7k7etf$r8o$0...@208.31.188.11>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> Thankyou so much for sharing your first introduction to the Doberman =
> Pinscher.
> People see movies with Dobermans & depending on the film.
> It gives Doberman a bad name.
> My Doberman Pinschers smile & radiate love.
> My Doberman Pinschers take turns riding in the car.
>
> One of the best dogs for protection is the poodle.
> But a Poodle would half to bite someone before they would listen.
>
> Not to many people will call the bluff of a big Doberman.
> My Doberman Pinschers love to swim in our pond.
> They are very content to be by your side.
> They care more about you than they do themselves.
> There are plenty of good Labs out there as well.
> There are good and bad dogs in all breeds.
>
> I had a brand new litter of Doberman Pinscher puppies born today.
> REDROCK Doberman Pinschers are known and shipped all over the world.
> Happy Surfing the net.
> http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/zimbabwe/887
MaliMore
questions! I sure as hell asked them of the lady I got Tyson from! Ok, so not
all of them, but I got excited and couldn't remember everything! I nailed the
important ones, though! His parents have been hip certified, no history of
cancer, etc. I have known her dogs for a while, so I knew their temperments.
If you call this rude, I would definitely say BYB or puppy mill! Those two
types of 'breeders' are the first to jump back at these questions and call
people names and such, instead of giving straight answers or any answer at all.
How very sad that you do not care for the puppies the way they should be cared
for. As the breeder, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure you have taken
every precaution you can to insure that they arrive healthy and stay healthy
(both mentally and physically). It is also your responsibility to make sure
that the homes these puppies go to are good, healthy homes.
Get your dogs spayed and nuetered. You obviously aren't a responsible breeder.
You most likely contribute large numbers of dogs to shelters and rescues.
MaryBeth
redrock105 wrote in message <7k8f4d$di7$0...@208.31.188.61>...
Plonk
Oh yeah, *that* attitude will sell TONS of dogs. <EG>
Whaddya know, and here I thought they would answer me. LOLOLOL
MaryBeth
MaryBeth
PAUL & KIRSTEN REED wrote in message <7k8pra$bp0$1...@news10.roka.net>...
>Well, redrock wasn't the only one who thought she was rude.
>To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I wouldn't
>sell her a dog either.
>By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
>Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
>Kirsten
My Dear Kirsten,
Lisa is the FARTHEST poster from a 'freak' I've met on all my years on
USENET. Go to dejanews if you don't believe me. However, I note that you're
also posting to alt.animals.dogs I don't get that group.....yet. But if
you're planning on buying a dog, you'd do VERY well to pay attention to
Lisa.
Otherwise, go pick up some mutts (IMO) from redrocks, after all, they
won't say what testing is done, nor answer any questions. This makes me
suspicious, and it should you too. I'd think they're more along the lines of
puppymill or BYB. If they get *this* upset on the net over a few very well
thought out questions, I'd run for the hills to get away from them. I'd not
let my dogs *play* with theirs. And I rescued mine !! I wouldn't let mine
sniff the butts of the redrock mutts. <G>
MaryBeth
redrock105
I am not going to waste my time with a group of Wanna be Dog Breeders.
If you where half as up on things as you say you are.
You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
And Lisa had never herd of the Damasyn Doberman Pinschers.
I have sold Dobermans Long enough to know when someone is interested in buying a dog.
And when someone is getting snotty and rude.
In the time it would take me to waste my time with miss snotty & rude.
I could loose a $1000.00 dollar sale.
I have a new litter of puppies born yesterday.
My time is going to be spent with them.
I will deal with people of my choice.
If you feel that Lisa was not being rude and you sell Doberman Pinschers than you sell her one of your dogs.
I am not going to deal with snotty rude stuck up know it all's.
I am not starving for a sale.
Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized Doberman Pinschers in the world.
There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
They offer one year on genetic faults.
Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
A breeder offering a one year guarantee is telling you that your dog will have a problem and they are not going to do anything about it.
My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman Pinscher
Bred for World War 1 & 2
My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
They are not doing anything for the breed.
I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
Brunswick Cryptonite was one of the best I have found around in many years.
His mother and farther both have low thyroid.
I would not breed to a Doberman like that just for a fancy looking pedigree.
To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher a Dobe must be as close to perfect as possible.
Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7k8ud4$tpu$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
Trust?????????? Yes, trust has a lot to do with purchasing an animal
along with research. A breeder has to be able to answer questions to
be able to build up trust. The breeder should ask the prospective
purchaser questions also in order to evaluate them.
It is my opinion that people who dodge questions in regards to their
breeding are avoiding their lack of knowledge, ethics, health/quality
of the animals, etc.
Granted, I'd much rather answer questions for a nice person, but you
learn real fast who are the ethical breeders and who are the ones just
out for a quick buck.
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
In article <7k8pra$bp0$1...@news10.roka.net>,
"PAUL & KIRSTEN REED" <PR...@ipfb.net> wrote:
> Well, redrock wasn't the only one who thought she was rude.
> To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I
wouldn't
> sell her a dog either.
> By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
> Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
> Kirsten
> MaryBeth wrote in message ...
> >
> > Okay, so, you met a nice dobie and a nasty lab. What the heck
has this
> >got to do with whether the questions, VERY valid questions, by Lisa
were
> >rude ??
> > FWIW Lisa is very knowledgeable about dogs and breeding. I'd
trust her
> >in a second to refer me to a good breeder. Just because she asked
you some
> >questions and BTW did *not* receive an answer, AFAIK, does not make
her
> >rude. It seems to me that it makes *you* nervous. Why don't you
answer
> them,
> >here in the group. Prove us all wrong. Tell us all about your
breeding
> >program, other than you only want to deal with 'happy people'. <EG>
> >
> >Waiting,
> >MaryBeth
> >
> >
>
>
Cari & Paul
Solaris Dobermans
* First of all...you are right. I haven't heard of "Redrock"
Dobermans. That says something for itself.
* Second...it sounds like to me you're only interested in the $ 1000
sale.
* Third....if Lisa asked me questions regarding the health,
temperament, etc. of my dogs...I would be happy discussing the sale of
one of my puppies to her. This shows commitment, ethics, and the
willingness to learn. I could spend hours talking with someone like
that.
* Fourth....Damasyn dogs were very great dogs way back. For you to
even make a reference to the "House of Dictator" and the great
Dobermans Peggy Adamson bred is an insult to the breed.
* Fifth....WARLOCK WAS A DOG!!!!!!! A NAME!!!! Not a freakin' line
or type of dog. For BYB to make their money referring to Ch. Borong
the Warlock is a insult to the breed.
* Sixth...it's Ahrtal, not Artles. Quick!!!!!! Tell me who started
the Ahrtal line.
* Ohhh, I'm tired of counting, so I will just use ********
* Cardiomyopathy is the leading killer of male Dobermans usually
killing them between the ages of 6-8 years of age.
* Cancer is still the leading killer of bitches and is the second
leading killer of males. Dogs don't usuall die of cancer within the
first two years of life.
* Any dog cannot obtain an OFA's certification (OFA = Orthopedic
Foundation of Animals) until they are two years of age.
* Kafka (Ch. Brunswig's the Cryptonite) is dead and so is his parents.
* I offer lifetime temperament guarantees and genetic health
guarantees. Lifetime for hip, eyes, etc. It is impossible to predict
CARDIO and CANCER in any line as there is no genetic marker for either
disease. If I had a pup die of CARDIO or CANCER at the age of 8 and
the owner wanted another puppy from me....you bet I'd replace it. If
an owner had a temperament problem with one of my puppies and wanted
their money back...I'd give it to them.
* Funny how you only mention the bloodlines that are easily read
about. How about some real research and tell me who are the major bred
contributors. Who is doing some the best Cardio research available?
* I'm frightened of your idea of PERFECT! If a Redrock Doberman is as
close to perfect that can be. Man...take them to the Nationals. If
you aren't interested in show dogs....hope to see you at some "working"
functions. I'm sure you have some tracking titles, or CD's, or even
CDX's. You don't have to be a show dog to take temperament tests.
Please........a back yard breeder you are. Put some pictures of your
dogs up on your site and lets have some people evaluate them. Stack
em' up and let's go.
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
In article <37685E61...@celephais.force9.co.uk>,
Solaris Dobermans
Sorry Cari and Paul.
Kumiko
Lisa Baird
redrock105 wrote:
> You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
> There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
If your line is so well known, and you are sure they have no hip problems, I would exepct there to be mroe than two in teh OFA database?
Lisa and the Haleakala PWDs
Margaret DiCorleto
perfect as possible."
Perhaps Mr. Redrock has no use for shows in the 90's because his dogs do not
meet the breed standard and they would either loose or be excused for being
oversized.
redrock105 wrote in message <7k9510$s6v$0...@208.31.188.52>...
Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized Doberman
Pinschers in the world.
There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
A breeder offering a one year guarantee is telling you that your dog will
have a problem and they are not going to do anything about it.
My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman Pinscher
Bred for World War 1 & 2
My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
They are not doing anything for the breed.
I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
Lisa Baird
redrock105 wrote:
> There are no hip problems in my Bloodlines at all.
> I offer a lifetime Guarantee .
>
How do you know that if you don't check?? And what good is a guarantee to a family whose pet requires surgery, or must be destroyed?
Lisa
Dianne Schoenberg
>There are no hip problems in my Bloodlines at all.
Then why haven't more than two dogs of your breeding ever been
certified by OFA?
Dianne
Christy
We GET the picture! Stop making it so darn clear! You don't need to keep
telling us, we KNOW you are a lousy backyard breeder who doesn't breed to
standard or do health checks! You are just in it for the money! Thank you
but no thanks!! You'll find no suckers here, bub.
Christy
who'd take a Solaris Dobe any day but would never want a redrock mutt!!
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
news:7k9r2h$dvb$0...@208.31.188.51...
I have bred Doberman Pinschers for over 22 years.
When I think of Competition the name Solaris Dobermans Has never come up.
I offer Family Companion Protectors.
You can have the best looking pedigree but without the Dog to back it up
it's worthless.
Again Lisa came on as you have in attach mode.
You nor Lisa are interested in buying a dog.
I make good money selling my dogs.
It's not a gravy train.
I have no need to prove anything to you or anyone elt's.
When my web site is ready you are more than welcome to check it out.
I dont need your approval but thanks.
If your such a great breeder why dont you run with the Big Boys?
I DO.!
Most of my clients are people who have bought my Dobermans.
Sheriffs. District Attorneys ETC.
The type of people buying my dogs did not get where they are today being
Stupid.
Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7k9bhs$30i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
My previous post should have responded to "REDROCK" post.
Sorry Cari and Paul.
Kumiko
In article <37685E61...@celephais.force9.co.uk>,
Cari & Paul <ca...@celephais.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> Do you talk in sound bites too?
>
> redrock105 wrote:
>
> > I am not Dodging questions.
> > I am not going to waste my time with a group of Wanna be Dog
Breeders.
> > If you where half as up on things as you say you are.
> > You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
> > And Lisa had never herd of the Damasyn Doberman Pinschers.
> > I have sold Dobermans Long enough to know when someone is
interested in buying a dog.
> > And when someone is getting snotty and rude.
> > In the time it would take me to waste my time with miss snotty &
rude.
> > I could loose a $1000.00 dollar sale.
> > I have a new litter of puppies born yesterday.
> > My time is going to be spent with them.
> > I will deal with people of my choice.
> > If you feel that Lisa was not being rude and you sell Doberman
Pinschers than you sell her one of your dogs.
> > I am not going to deal with snotty rude stuck up know it all's.
> > I am not starving for a sale.
> > Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized
Doberman Pinschers in the world.
> > There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
> > I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
> > I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
> > There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
> > I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
> > I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
> > They offer one year on genetic faults.
> > Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
> > A breeder offering a one year guarantee is telling you that your
dog will have a problem and they are not going to do anything about it.
> > My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman
Pinscher
> > Bred for World War 1 & 2
> > My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
> > They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
> > I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
> > They are not doing anything for the breed.
> > I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
> > Brunswick Cryptonite was one of the best I have found around in
many years.
> > His mother and farther both have low thyroid.
> > I would not breed to a Doberman like that just for a fancy looking
pedigree.
> > To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher a Dobe must be as close to
perfect as possible.
>
>
Labc...@webtv.net
Anyone???>>>
Gee I was just beginning to think the same thing.............
Dianne Mullikin
Rycroft Labradors and CC's
Labc...@webtv.net
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hollow/9026
Labc...@webtv.net
Why continue to check.>>
Oh that's right HD is not genetic, any dog that is afflicted with HD
must be the fault of the owner for 1) too much excersize, 2) not enough
excersize, 3) poor nutrition, 4) over weight etc, etc, etc.
Why continue to check? Because you never know. Elbow dysplasia in Labs
is a fairly recent check that most breeders have included in the
screening of their breeding stock. We started checking and have found
it to be quite a common problem. Also, we have now included heart
checks as we have discovered TVD in our breed. Why check?? To breed
the soundess, healthiest dogs possible, not just guess.
redrock105
I offer a lifetime Guarantee .
Lisa Baird <agi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:3768224D...@columbus.rr.com...
redrock105 wrote:
> You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
> There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
If your line is so well known, and you are sure they have no hip problems, I would exepct there to be mroe than two in teh OFA database?
redrock105
I do stand corrected on my statement on Cryptonites Sire Night Ryder did not have low thyroid.
I personally do not show Doberman Pinschers.
I raise my Doberman pinschers for Family Companion Protectors.
Margaret DiCorleto <chowmo...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:7k9fbm$lqu$1...@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net...
I am not sure how an "oversized Doberman Pinscher" could be "as close to
perfect as possible."
Perhaps Mr. Redrock has no use for shows in the 90's because his dogs do not
meet the breed standard and they would either loose or be excused for being
oversized.
redrock105 wrote in message <7k9510$s6v$0...@208.31.188.52>...
Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized Doberman
Pinschers in the world.
There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
A breeder offering a one year guarantee is telling you that your dog will
have a problem and they are not going to do anything about it.
My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman Pinscher
Bred for World War 1 & 2
My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
They are not doing anything for the breed.
I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
redrock105
Sorry Cari and Paul.
Kumiko
> > You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
> > And Lisa had never herd of the Damasyn Doberman Pinschers.
> > I have sold Dobermans Long enough to know when someone is
interested in buying a dog.
> > And when someone is getting snotty and rude.
> > In the time it would take me to waste my time with miss snotty &
rude.
> > I could loose a $1000.00 dollar sale.
> > I have a new litter of puppies born yesterday.
> > My time is going to be spent with them.
> > I will deal with people of my choice.
> > If you feel that Lisa was not being rude and you sell Doberman
Pinschers than you sell her one of your dogs.
> > I am not going to deal with snotty rude stuck up know it all's.
> > I am not starving for a sale.
> > Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized
Doberman Pinschers in the world.
> > There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
> > I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
> > I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
> > There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
> > I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
> > I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
> > They offer one year on genetic faults.
> > Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
> > A breeder offering a one year guarantee is telling you that your
dog will have a problem and they are not going to do anything about it.
> > My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman
Pinscher
> > Bred for World War 1 & 2
> > My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
> > They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
> > I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
> > They are not doing anything for the breed.
> > I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
> > Brunswick Cryptonite was one of the best I have found around in
many years.
> > His mother and farther both have low thyroid.
> > I would not breed to a Doberman like that just for a fancy looking
pedigree.
> > To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher a Dobe must be as close to
perfect as possible.
>
>
redrock105
There is no Genetic hip Dysplasia in the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
Why continue to check.
Dianne Schoenberg <dia...@user1.teleport.com> wrote in message news:7k9rjh$k90$1...@user1.teleport.com...
Solaris Dobermans
don't do any genetic health testing because that is all you are worried
about. You are exploiting the Doberman breed only for the benefit of
your wallet.
Mr. Redrock, I do run with the big boys, but that's not why I question
your ethics. You do not have to show Dobermans in the breed ring to be
an ethical person. To breed for the betterment for the breed and to
continously strive to improve the standard is an ethical breeder.
Perhaps you can answer this. There is an ad in a Southern Indiana
newspaper for Dobermans. They are backyard bred "WARLOCK" Dobes that
come from your breeding. They do no health testing.
Any educated person knows that hip does not generally show up in young
dogs under the age of two. Nor does Cardio, nor does cancer, etc. You
provide nothing to back up your bloodlines when it comes to health
testing.
You are right. I'm not interested in purchasing your dogs. I'm
interested in the exploitation of your dogs only for the purpose of
your financial gain.
As far as the Solaris name never coming to your mind when you think of
Competition, that may be because we don't compete on the same level. I
am not a back yard breeder or a puppy mill. After having Dobes for
twenty years, I never ethically felt that any of my dogs could
contribute to the betterment of the breed, therefore were never bred.
That is until I acquired my latest bitch who I compete with on a weekly
basis. This bitch is both mentally and genetically sound, therefore
would do well to reproduce. She has been evaluated by two separate
temperament testing procedures. She is major pointed against some of
the toughest competition across the country. She has been honored to
compete with dogs of the name Toledobes, Gold Grove, Wingate, Soquel,
Wrath-Liberator and the list goes on and on and on.
Do I feel my bitch is near perfect????? NO! But, I do believe she has
qualities that could improve the gene pool. Does she have her medical
testing? You bet. Do I or will I back that up with guarantees? YES!
There is nothing worse than a dead dog or a dog with a poor
temperament. By being a breeder, you have taken on a responsiblity for
every dog you produce that you place with a family. If you are not
responsible, you are opening that family up to pure heartbreak. But
then again, all you are worried about is the money. Any ethical
breeder that performs health testing will tell you that you don't make
money selling quality animals. That is not why you do it. Money has
nothing to do with it.
What's sad is the only thing you will remotely discuss is thyroid.
Thyroid is not the killer in Dobermans. It is an added health
difficiency, but not a killer.
You don't even test your dogs for Vwd.
As far as District Attorneys and Sheriff not being stupid people. They
may be the most intelligent people in their line of work but completely
ignorant to the Doberman breed. Why would a Sheriff purchase a
Doberman for work if it doesn't come from a long line of working
Dobermans that had sound genetic health and working capabilities????
You have failed to answer any of my questions previoulsy posted. Why
do you insist on calling your dogs "Warlock"? Are you not smart enough
to know that Warlock was a name of a North American Champion and not a
type of Doberman? I know Ch. Borong the Warlock wasn't involved in
World War I and World War II.
Again, please don't refer to the greats of the past when speaking of
your animals. Peggy Adamson, "The House of Dictator" or Damasyn;
Ahrtal - Tess Hensler would be sick by your respresentation of the
Doberman breed that they loved until their last days on this earth.
Give them that much respect.
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
Lilly's Poetic Justice, WAC, TT (major pointed)
Solaris Blue Supreme Diamond, TT
Briarwood Shogun v. Solaris
In article <7k9r2h$dvb$0...@208.31.188.51>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> I have bred Doberman Pinschers for over 22 years.
> When I think of Competition the name Solaris Dobermans Has never come
=
> up.
> I offer Family Companion Protectors.
> You can have the best looking pedigree but without the Dog to back it
up =
> it's worthless.
> Again Lisa came on as you have in attach mode.
> You nor Lisa are interested in buying a dog.
> I make good money selling my dogs.
> It's not a gravy train.
> I have no need to prove anything to you or anyone elt's.
> When my web site is ready you are more than welcome to check it out.
> I dont need your approval but thanks.
> If your such a great breeder why dont you run with the Big Boys?
> I DO.!
> Most of my clients are people who have bought my Dobermans.
> Sheriffs. District Attorneys ETC.
> The type of people buying my dogs did not get where they are today
being =
> Stupid.
> Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message =
> > > There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
> > > I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
Cris Waller
>I am not Dodging questions.
(snip)
>There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
Here is a question then.:
How many of your dogs have been screened by OFA, and what were the
results?
At the OFA website, I found the following:
Gibson's Brute of Redrock was OFA'd Good in 1998
J-Dobes Aultima Redrock was OFA'd Good in 1995.
That's it. Or do you have many dogs under another kennel name?
Oh- how about CERF? I could find no records of any Redrock dogs with a
CERF number.
Cris Waller
Cr...@ix.netcom.com
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http://members.tripod.com/antique_fcr/index.html
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****Nancy E. Phillips, Seattle
Rescue page http://members.aol.com/shereldog/index.html
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Terri Frenia
Im sorry but I have to post on this one. As far as Im concerned anyone who
doesn't sell their pets on spay/neuter contracts, do ALL health testing and
breed to the standard (NOT oversized) is a BYB or puppymill and is
obviously VERY ignorant. I had a Doberman that can from BYB and he had to
be put to sleep when he was 2 due to a horrible temperament. I do not think
this person has any idea of what she is talking about. I know I have never
heard of her before and I ahead done lots of research on the Doberman breed
before I got into shelties. Get a clue and learn to breed right!! If you
think your dogs are so high and mighty then Id like to see them in some
competition, with some titles.
Terri Frenia
Terri Frenia
Ripley Hill shelties
p.s. When I was spell checking a word got changed to ahead.....sorry if it
is unclear....
ale...@wt.net
questions. They have hesitated, balked, dragged thier feet, etc. and
that is enough right there for me to decide that I would not buy a dog
from them nor would I reccomend them to anyone I know, irregardless of
what thier breeding program is like and what bloodlines they may carry.
"He who hesitates is lost"
Marie
ale...@wt.net
Did anyone else catch this? I consider these two statements to be mutually exclusive.Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized Doberman Pinschers in the world. There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
Size is inherited from the sire and dam therefore I'd say that it's genetic in which case an OVERSIZED (which I take to mean "exceeds the AKC breed standard re: size") Doberman, in my book, would be genetically faulty.
Redrock, if this is not what you meant then you might consider rephrasing your statements......
Marie
Robin Nuttall
redrock105 wrote:
>
> I am not Dodging questions.
Really? Then why the bluster? Why not just answer the questions?
> I am not going to waste my time with a group of Wanna be Dog Breeders.
Gee, I didn't know I was one of those! Actually, I'm a wanna be millionaire, a
wanna be model, and a wanna be decent dog trainer. But I think number 3 of those
is the most likely....
> If you where half as up on things as you say you are.
> You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
Hmmmm. Funny I've never heard of you. Lemme see. I'm an active member of the
DPCA and the UDC, have held committee positions in both clubs, and am database
administrator of the DPCA Longevity Program. I have been in dobermans since
1981. I have been active in several doberman listservs, including doberworld-l
and udc-l, but am now mostly sticking to showdobes and cyberdobes. It's fair to
say that I know just about all of the top breeders, their kennel names, and what
they are breeding. Never heard of you. Never seen an ad from you in the
quarterly. Never seen any of your dogs highlighted in Pipeline.
> And Lisa had never herd of the Damasyn Doberman Pinschers.
I find that difficult to believe.
> I have sold Dobermans Long enough to know when someone is interested in buying a dog.
> And when someone is getting snotty and rude.
<shrug> So, you are here simply to make a sale. If you really wanted to make a
sale, instead of blustering and getting defensive, you would answer the basic
questions Lisa asked you. This, my dear, is a DISCUSSION newsgroup, not a
forsale group. If you post something here, it will be DISCUSSED.
> In the time it would take me to waste my time with miss snotty & rude.
> I could loose a $1000.00 dollar sale.
Why $1000? Tell us about pedigree, working titles, and health titles. Tell us
why these puppies cost so much.
> Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized Doberman Pinschers in the world.
Ah. Oversized. Ooooooo, just what I wanted. Big, clunky dobermans.
> There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
> I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
Now now, don't lie on usenet. You just said above that you specialize in
oversized dobermans. Oversize is a genetic fault--a fault, differentiating from
the standard of perfection, which is passed through the genes of the dog.
> I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
And they've all gotten hit by trucks, yes? (inside joke, "no doberman ever dies
of cardio, they all just get hit by trucks"....)
> I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
> They offer one year on genetic faults.
See, you don't know many people despite your professed knowledge of the doberman
world. I could list a very LONG group of people who are more than willing to
give lifetime guarantees against genetic inherited disease. Further, it's a real
guarantee, where they will work with the owner to help pay treatment costs, or
take the dog back, no questions asked.
> Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
Gee, and you know Dobermans?
Cardiomyopathy: average age at onset, 5-7.
Hip dysplasia: cannot be OFAd till after 2.
Wobblers: average age at onset, 5-7.
Hypothyroidism: average age at onset/diagnosis: 3-5.
> My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman Pinscher
> Bred for World War 1 & 2
Well seeing as Borong's the Warlock, who was actually a standard sized dog,
lived in the 1950s, it's a bit difficult to believe "Warlocks" were purpose bred
for WWI and WWII. I see that you don't know your history either.
> My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
> They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
And just about every Doberman in America, including puppy mill dobermans, will
have at least some tracing to one of those three bloodlines. Oh, and it's vom
Arthal, not artles.
> I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
> They are not doing anything for the breed.
And your basis for this statement is???? Hmmmm. ROM program. Longevity program.
DPFA, COPE. Don't know what those are? Well then I guess you don't know much do
you?
> I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
> Brunswick Cryptonite was one of the best I have found around in many years.
> His mother and farther both have low thyroid.
Kafka is dead. I'm not sure why you are connecting him to the DPCA, he was a
dog, a top winning dog.
> To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher a Dobe must be as close to perfect as possible.
Oh, fibbing again? Close to perfect means within the standard. You already said
you deliberately breed oversize. That is not "close to perfect." You certainly
know little about the history of the breed, and seem to not understand the
various genetic conditions that dobermans get. But you claim to be breeding
close to perfect? Hmmmmmm.
--
Robin, Jasper, Dreamer, and Viva!
rob...@sprynet.com
(my opinions strictly my own!)
Doberman informational page:
http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin
tibbi
<redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> Again I offer a Lifetime Guarantee.
> There is no Genetic hip Dysplasia in the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
> Why continue to check.
> I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
You mean why continue cutting into your profit margins? BYB scum
--
If I wanted the scammers and spammers to have my address it would be HERE.
tibbi
<redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> BYBer crap deleted
simply put, you're byb scum looking to scam people into buying from you.
You in it for the bucks.
Big deal. We get scum like you in this group all the time.
redrock105
I have to work my dear.
I do not sit with my face in the computer.
I could care less what you buy or from whome.
<ale...@wt.net> wrote in message news:3768F74D...@wt.net...
redrock105
tibbi <ti...@world.of.vizsla.mine> wrote in message news:tibbi-17069...@dsl-8.peak.org...
Tricia
<ale...@wt.net> wrote in message news:3768F9AC...@wt.net...
> > Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality
oversized Doberman
> > Pinschers in the world.
> >
> mutually exclusive.
>
> Size is inherited from the sire and dam therefore I'd say that it's
> genetic in which case an OVERSIZED (which I take to mean "exceeds
the
> AKC breed standard re: size") Doberman, in my book, would be
genetically
> faulty.
>
> Redrock, if this is not what you meant then you might consider
> rephrasing your statements......
>
> Marie
>
large to beware then they need to read your statements twice! So here
is their chance!
Should ensure a second reading of more Redrocks ads in this way
perhaps. Trouble is, I can't see anyone *buying* a dog from someone
who boasts of his sales. I've bred two litters (disgusting way of
saying that I'm proud of the 11 pups conceived for a definate purpose)
in my nearly fifty years of pedigree ownership. Haven't made a sale,
certainly didn't make a profit. A complete failure by Redrock
criteria. Do have friends who write, phone, and email constantly about
my babies.
If anyone out there wants a new family friend - think very hard about
your values. Don't encourage unscupulous people. Those who sincerely
care for their breed will ask a lot more of you than a few ooh's and
aah's at the sight of a litter of pups, followed by a fat check. If
all goes well, you'll never get as far as meeting a pup. Too
dangerous! In my experience, nine out of ten enquirers need to be
asked to think again about dog ownership. The one remaining *possibly
suitable owner* generally needs to be guided to a totally different
breed than the one you happen to share your life with.
Above all, steer clear of commercial breeders. Check with breed clubs,
fine. Best of all, check with the rescue people when you decide on a
breed. THEY can tell you first, second, and third hand, who to trust.
Tricia - (calmed by 24hr. rule)
redrock105
I do not own a kennel.
I am not advertising dogs for sale in Indiana.
I have sold dogs in Indiana with the full breeder rights.
I would rather have a few nice dogs than a lot of nothing.
I have sold allot of Dobes in the past 22 years.
Find me one of my rejects.
Dont quite your day job looking.
I care for the breed.
I do selective breeding.
It is expensive to properly raise Dobermans.
I do not charge more because people pay more.
I charge more because my Dobes are worth more.
I am not getting any complaints.
My Dobes are not having any health problems.
If I introduce a bloodline I am not sure of.
Then I would have the Dobe tested.
Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7ka1gg$9um$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
redrock105
Starting with you.
Christy <chr...@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:7ka3dc$q...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com...
OK. OK. OK.
We GET the picture! Stop making it so darn clear! You don't need to keep
telling us, we KNOW you are a lousy backyard breeder who doesn't breed to
standard or do health checks! You are just in it for the money! Thank you
but no thanks!! You'll find no suckers here, bub.
Christy
who'd take a Solaris Dobe any day but would never want a redrock mutt!!
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
news:7k9r2h$dvb$0...@208.31.188.51...
I have bred Doberman Pinschers for over 22 years.
When I think of Competition the name Solaris Dobermans Has never come up.
I offer Family Companion Protectors.
You can have the best looking pedigree but without the Dog to back it up
it's worthless.
Again Lisa came on as you have in attach mode.
You nor Lisa are interested in buying a dog.
I make good money selling my dogs.
It's not a gravy train.
I have no need to prove anything to you or anyone elt's.
When my web site is ready you are more than welcome to check it out.
I dont need your approval but thanks.
If your such a great breeder why dont you run with the Big Boys?
I DO.!
Most of my clients are people who have bought my Dobermans.
Sheriffs. District Attorneys ETC.
The type of people buying my dogs did not get where they are today being
Stupid.
Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
redrock105
Did anyone else catch this? I consider these two statements to be mutually exclusive.Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized Doberman Pinschers in the world. There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
twi...@sound.net
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> Hesitates to answer.
> I have to work my dear.
> I do not sit with my face in the computer.
> I could care less what you buy or from whome.
That is the worst haiku I have ever seen.
Also, what's with the Jerry Howe spelling?
--Terri Willis & Harlan
--
Also, just when you think you have them all
down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
another.
-- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
twi...@sound.net
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> I am going to block all of the smut I am getting from jealous people.
> Starting with you.
> > news:7ka3dc$q...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com...
> > OK. OK. OK.
> > We GET the picture! Stop making it so darn clear! You don't need to
> > keep telling us, we KNOW you are a lousy backyard breeder who
> > doesn't breed to standard or do health checks! You are just in it
> > for the money! Thank you but no thanks!! You'll find no suckers
> > here, bub.
Odd. Not only do you have a different definition of "responsible
breeder", you definition of smut seems to vary from the norm as well.
No wonder your poetry is so weird.
twi...@sound.net
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
>
> I think you people need to get a life.
> I have no interest in tiny skinny sickly show dogs.
*bing*bing*bing*
We have a winner!
Congratulation, ale...@wt.net, you have inspired the infamous "get a
life" retort from redrock105.
Bob, tell her what she's won!
Tricia
You are the scum and you are obviously jealous
tibbi <ti...@world.of.vizsla.mine> wrote in message
news:tibbi-17069...@dsl-8.peak.org...
A Liebling clone?
Please sign this petition to stop cloning now!
Name......................................................
Name......................................................
[Please, this IS meant as a joke. My server couldn't handle the
response]
Tricia
Solaris Dobermans
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> I own a few really nice Dobes.
> I do not own a kennel.
> I am not advertising dogs for sale in Indiana.
> I have sold dogs in Indiana with the full breeder rights.
> I would rather have a few nice dogs than a lot of nothing.
> I have sold allot of Dobes in the past 22 years.
> Find me one of my rejects.
> Dont quite your day job looking.
> I care for the breed.
> I do selective breeding.
> It is expensive to properly raise Dobermans.
> I do not charge more because people pay more.
> I charge more because my Dobes are worth more.
> I am not getting any complaints.
> My Dobes are not having any health problems.
> If I introduce a bloodline I am not sure of.
> Then I would have the Dobe tested.
> > up.
> > I offer Family Companion Protectors.
> > You can have the best looking pedigree but without the Dog to back
it
> > it's worthless.
> > Again Lisa came on as you have in attach mode.
> > You nor Lisa are interested in buying a dog.
> > I make good money selling my dogs.
> > It's not a gravy train.
> > I have no need to prove anything to you or anyone elt's.
> > When my web site is ready you are more than welcome to check it out.
> > I dont need your approval but thanks.
> > If your such a great breeder why dont you run with the Big Boys?
> > I DO.!
> > Most of my clients are people who have bought my Dobermans.
> > Sheriffs. District Attorneys ETC.
> > The type of people buying my dogs did not get where they are today
> > Stupid.
> > Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message =3D
Solaris Dobermans
It's enough to drive you nuts, isn't it??????? Artles...hee hee hee,
Warlock in WW I and WWII...heee heeee, his dogs perfect....hee heee,
more back yard bred Dobes.....now that's the sad part.
Glad to see you jump in.
Kumiko
In article <37691513...@missouri.edu>,
Solaris Dobermans
few, then they must be inbred and bred to death.
You sold a bitch with full breeding rights to a couple in Indiana.
Now, because you obviously don't care what happens to your dogs after
that $ 1000 sale.....you've created another back yard breeder. Cheers
to you!!!!!!! You might as well sold that bitch to a puppy mill. Have
you no BRAIN????????
You refuse to disclose why you call your dogs "WARLOCK". You're not
even smart enough to know who Ch. Borong the Warlock was and that he
was a dog. Warlock was his given name.
You are obvioulsy too ignorant to be capable of discussing the Doberman
breed in an intelligent manner. You repeat the same b.s. over and over.
What is really sad is that your dogs are still Dobermans who through no
fault of their own have been born into this world by the hands of an
ignorant and unethical person. That is sad. There is no jealousy in
that. ONly pitty for your animals.
Hope to see you at the Nationals, or the next dogshow, or the next WAC
evaluation, or the next Obedience events. You know....there's some
really nice shows coming up in your neck of the woods.
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
In article <7kb83j$aad$0...@208.31.188.27>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> I own a few really nice Dobes.
> I do not own a kennel.
> I am not advertising dogs for sale in Indiana.
> I have sold dogs in Indiana with the full breeder rights.
> I would rather have a few nice dogs than a lot of nothing.
> I have sold allot of Dobes in the past 22 years.
> Find me one of my rejects.
> Dont quite your day job looking.
> I care for the breed.
> I do selective breeding.
> It is expensive to properly raise Dobermans.
> I do not charge more because people pay more.
> I charge more because my Dobes are worth more.
> I am not getting any complaints.
> My Dobes are not having any health problems.
> If I introduce a bloodline I am not sure of.
> Then I would have the Dobe tested.
twi...@sound.net
Here, let me make a few suggestions:
In article <7kb83j$aad$0...@208.31.188.27>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> I own a few really nice Dobes.
Almost all have their frontal lobes.
> I do not own a kennel.
I enjoy smoking fennel.
> I am not advertising dogs for sale in Indiana.
I am not advertising dogs for sale in pink pajamas.
> I have sold dogs in Indiana with the full breeder rights.
I have sold dogs in Indiana for the Horror Night Frights!
> I would rather have a few nice dogs than a lot of nothing.
I would rather have lots of cold cash than an ethical something.
> I have sold allot of Dobes in the past 22 years.
I have added a lot to the humane society's fears.
> Find me one of my rejects.
I'll explain using some shaky pretext.
> Dont quite your day job looking.
For evidence I spend my time crooking.
> I care for the breed.
It's money I need.
> I do selective breeding.
One male, one female I'm needing.
> It is expensive to properly raise Dobermans.
So I skip it, in any way I find that I can.
> I do not charge more because people pay more.
They pay more because I show them my Claymore.
> I charge more because my Dobes are worth more.
So why are ethical breeders all over Earth sore?
> I am not getting any complaints.
So why am I peed on by saints?
> My Dobes are not having any health problems.
"De Nile" don't just flow in a river bottom.
> If I introduce a bloodline I am not sure of.
I hope it has nothing that there's no cure of.
> Then I would have the Dobe tested.
That should keep me from being arrested.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I will not eat them, Sam I Am.
There! Much better, don't you think? HTH!
--Terri Willis & Harlan
(not actual tweening but an INCREDIBLE SIMULATION)
--
Also, just when you think you have them all
down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
another.
-- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
redrock105
Take this a fair warning.( Jokeing)
Tricia <t...@finnish-spitz.demon.nl> wrote in message news:929638797.19331....@news.demon.nl...
Solaris Dobermans
In article <7kb88m$akg$0...@208.31.188.27>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
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> I think you people need to get a life.
> I have no interest in tiny skinny sickly show dogs.
> Blocks Blocks Blocks
> <ale...@wt.net> wrote in message news:3768F9AC...@wt.net...
> Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized =
> Doberman
> Pinschers in the world.
> There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
> Did anyone else catch this? I consider these two statements to be =
> mutually exclusive.=20
> Size is inherited from the sire and dam therefore I'd say that it's =
> genetic in which case an OVERSIZED (which I take to mean "exceeds the
=
> AKC breed standard re: size") Doberman, in my book, would be
genetically =
> faulty.=20
>
> Redrock, if this is not what you meant then you might consider =
> rephrasing your statements......=20
>
> Marie=20
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> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Blocks Blocks Blocks</FONT></DIV>
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> There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>Did =
> anyone else=20
> catch this? I consider these two statements to be mutually
exclusive.=20
> <P>Size is inherited from the sire and dam therefore I'd say that
it's =
> genetic=20
> in which case an OVERSIZED (which I take to mean "exceeds the AKC
breed =
> standard=20
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redrock105
Any body elts want to be blocked.
Tricia <t...@finnish-spitz.demon.nl> wrote in message news:929637179.18370....@news.demon.nl...
<ale...@wt.net> wrote in message news:3768F9AC...@wt.net...
> > Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality
oversized Doberman
> > Pinschers in the world.
> > There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
> >
> Did anyone else catch this? I consider these two statements to be
> mutually exclusive.
>
> Size is inherited from the sire and dam therefore I'd say that it's
> genetic in which case an OVERSIZED (which I take to mean "exceeds
the
> AKC breed standard re: size") Doberman, in my book, would be
genetically
> faulty.
>
> Redrock, if this is not what you meant then you might consider
liebl...@my-deja.com
sweetest thing and the biggest baby.He would of of course protect me
,if need be.But bad dog,never.In article <7k7etf$r8o$0...@208.31.188.11>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> Thankyou so much for sharing your first introduction to the Doberman =
> Pinscher.
> People see movies with Dobermans & depending on the film.
> It gives Doberman a bad name.
> My Doberman Pinschers smile & radiate love.
> My Doberman Pinschers take turns riding in the car.
>
> One of the best dogs for protection is the poodle.
> But a Poodle would half to bite someone before they would listen.
>
> Not to many people will call the bluff of a big Doberman.
> My Doberman Pinschers love to swim in our pond.
> They are very content to be by your side.
> They care more about you than they do themselves.
> There are plenty of good Labs out there as well.
> There are good and bad dogs in all breeds.
>
> I had a brand new litter of Doberman Pinscher puppies born today.
> REDROCK Doberman Pinschers are known and shipped all over the world.
> Happy Surfing the net.
> http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/zimbabwe/887
> Heidi Gagne <roc...@itouch.net> wrote in message =
> news:37672...@feed1.realtime.net...
> redrock.
> I would not worry about one persons opinion. I had a fear of dobies =
> after
> hearing lots of things about them and one day when I was 16 I came
home =
> from
> school to find a rust colored dobie sitting in my front yard blocking
my =
> way
> to the door. I went slowly around to the back scared to death. It =
> followed
> at a walk then a run. I nearly died and ran screaming to the back. It
=
> chased
> me and I thought I was a goner when it knocked me down. Boy I could
not =
> have
> been more wrong. It did nothing more than lick me to death. LOL! I
got =
> all
> worked up for nothing because of some peoples stories about the
dobie. =
> geez.
> I am stil respectful and wary around big dogs but never again will I
be =
> so
> afraid. that rust dobie became one of my best companions. I lived on
a =
> pond
> and my dad would not let me have a dog so the dobie was the best I
could =
> do.
> He would come and play fetch with me at the pond. and we swam
together =
> and
> wrestled in the sand and the grass. I miss him still so much and he
was =
> not
> even mine. HE was truly a great dog. Oh, and he was abused too by an =
> owner I
> found out and he still had a charming personality and very friendly
> demeanor. I do think it is wise to be wary but I learned there is no =
> need to
> freak out before you know what is what.
> On another note, I worked at a grocery store once and was taking out =
> this
> lady's groceries to her car. She had a black lab in the car and I had
no
> fear what so ever of labs. I had one once named Angus. So, also at her
> assurance it was ok , I loaded the car. ON the last bag I looked up
to =
> say
> hi to the dog and he bit me right in the face. I got caught under my =
> chin on
> my forehead and my nose was bleeding. I think he bit twice. I went
back =
> into
> the store bleeding everywhere and wiht the owner following me in =
> hysterics
> and apologizing and crying. Oh it was a mess. I never expected that =
> from a
> lab based on what I know and what I have heard. So you definetly
cannot
> judge a dog solely on breed.
> Heidi
>
> --
> http://www.itouch.net/~rocky2/
Nancy Casurella
dogs? He is not the enemy. The people who breed dogs and sell
as many as possible and whose dogs suffer without adequate food,
clean water, and clean and comfortable living quarters are the enemy,
the puppy mill people. I would bet a large sum of money that any
person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
his animals in poor living conditions. People will always breed dogs
outside of the show/obedience/professional web without following all
of the suggested preventions for passing on genetic defects. I am
curious how much a temperment test costs and how they test. Is this
more reliable then normal life experiences show? How much for an
OFA hip cert. nowadays? I thought some people are linking dysplasia
to diet/exercise and not as much to heredity? The real issue to me is
that this person is being treated as if he were a child molester or a
serial killer and not as a breeder of dogs. Just because he does not
subscribe to your views does not make him any less worthy of respect
as a human being than any other person in the world. Also, I am
thinking that if all of you dobie show people would focus your energy
and enthusiasm and brainpower on serious community and world
problems they could be solved! Maybe a different approach would
have been received differently. I promise never to breed a doberman. :)
Thank you, Nancy
redrock105
Jumping up and down screaming.
I won ,I won.
What have I won How do I pick up my prize.
Does it bite?
At least a little cheeriness was added to the post.
There are plenty of excellent quality show dogs.
I have both Standard and Oversized Doberman Pinschers.
NO HIP Problems
NO skin or heart problems
No bleeders
No temperament problems
To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher
I do care about the breed.
I will only breed to the best quality I can find.
So tell me What did I win?
Your wondering if I blocked you.
NO not yet.
<twi...@sound.net> wrote in message news:7kbc16$pht$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
In article <7kb88m$akg$0...@208.31.188.27>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
>
> I think you people need to get a life.
> I have no interest in tiny skinny sickly show dogs.
*bing*bing*bing*
We have a winner!
Congratulation, ale...@wt.net, you have inspired the infamous "get a
life" retort from redrock105.
Bob, tell her what she's won!
--Terri Willis & Harlan
--
Also, just when you think you have them all
down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
another.
-- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
liebl...@my-deja.com
have never seen so much backbiting in all of my life,in one place.If I
did not own a dog already I would never want to own one,if I had to
deal with arrogant people like people on this site.In article
<qUT93.2918$Mp5....@news.rdc1.pa.home.com>,
"MaryBeth" <marb...@home.com> wrote:
>
> PAUL & KIRSTEN REED wrote in message <7k8pra$bp0$1...@news10.roka.net>...
> >Well, redrock wasn't the only one who thought she was rude.
> >To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I
wouldn't
> >sell her a dog either.
> >By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
> >Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
> >Kirsten
>
> My Dear Kirsten,
> Lisa is the FARTHEST poster from a 'freak' I've met on all my
years on
> USENET. Go to dejanews if you don't believe me. However, I note that
you're
> also posting to alt.animals.dogs I don't get that group.....yet. But
if
> you're planning on buying a dog, you'd do VERY well to pay attention
to
> Lisa.
> Otherwise, go pick up some mutts (IMO) from redrocks, after all,
they
> won't say what testing is done, nor answer any questions. This makes
me
> suspicious, and it should you too. I'd think they're more along the
lines of
> puppymill or BYB. If they get *this* upset on the net over a few very
well
> thought out questions, I'd run for the hills to get away from them.
I'd not
> let my dogs *play* with theirs. And I rescued mine !! I wouldn't let
mine
> sniff the butts of the redrock mutts. <G>
>
> MaryBeth
Christy
any chance? Are your magnificent (ha!) oversized Dobermutts registered with
the CONtinental Kennel Club?
Christy
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
news:7kb7k4$9go$0...@208.31.188.27...
twi...@sound.net
"Nancy Casurella" <casu...@uswest.net> wrote:
> Hi! Why is everyone crucifying someone who obviously cares about
> dogs?
Not sure who you are referring to here. If it's the redrock person, I
have to say that it is not obvious to me that this person obviously
cares about dogs. I'll try and explain why.
> He is not the enemy. The people who breed dogs and sell
> as many as possible and whose dogs suffer without adequate food,
> clean water, and clean and comfortable living quarters are the enemy,
> the puppy mill people.
Some puppy mills are clean, believe it or not. They still aren't good.
> person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
> his animals in poor living conditions.
No one is accusing anyone in this thread of keeping their animals in
poor living conditions.
But it takes more than having good living conditions to be a
responsible breeder.
> People will always breed dogs outside of the
> show/obedience/professional
Actually, you may mean the show/obedience/hobbyist. Puppy millers are
professionals, after all.
> web without following all of the suggested preventions for passing on
> genetic defects.
Gosh, I sure hope not. I hope some day the only people who are breeding
dogs are folks who care enough about them to do all the suggested
preventions for passing on genetic defects.
I think education is an important part of making this happen. If more
people realized what makes an ethical breeder, it could only be good
for the dogs.
Part of this education is pointing out what you think is unethical and
irresponsible.
Not testing your breeding stock is unethical and irresponsible.
> I am curious how much a temperment test costs and how they test.
> Is this more reliable then normal life experiences show?
> How much for an OFA hip cert. nowadays? I thought some people are
> linking dysplasia to diet/exercise and not as much to heredity?
I'll have to let someone more knowledgeable respond to this part.
> The real issue to me is that this person is being treated as if he
> were a child molester or a serial killer and not as a breeder of
> dogs.
I don't see that. I see them being treated as an irresponsible breeder.
> Just because he does not subscribe to your views does not make him
> any less worthy of respect as a human being than any other person in
> the world.
Some humans deserve lots of my respect, some not so much. Kind of
depends on the individual human. I judge 'em by their statements and
actions.
And if anyone is doing things that contribute to the shelter problem, I
don't have a lot of respect for them.
If someone sees dogs as livestock to make money off of, I don't have a
lot of respect for them.
Only an ignorant or irresponsible person would breed dogs without doing
the health screenings. Ignorance can be educated. This person is aware
of the health tests and chooses to ignore them. I feel that that is
irresponsible. I don't respect that.
> Also, I am thinking that if all of you dobie show people would focus
> your energy and enthusiasm and brainpower on serious community and
> world problems they could be solved!
Well, some of us feel that the number of pets being killed in shelters
is a serious community and world problem. Irresponsible breeding
practices are why there are so many unwanted animals.
And there's also the heartbreak of families who buy pets who wind up
with bad health problems.
That's why irresponsible breeders are given such a rough time here.
> Maybe a different approach would have been received differently.
Perhaps. But I don't think any approach would have swayed a person so
deep in denial. However, the ridicule may have opened a newbie's eyes
as to what makes an ethical breeder. That's kind of how it worked for
me. I lurked here a long time, and I learned a lot of new ideas about
dog breeding. Perhaps someone reading this thread will revise their
ideas about what makes an ethical breeder as I once did.
> I promise never to breed a doberman. :)
Me too!
> Thank you, Nancy
>
Well, I hope this helps you understand why so many have been giving
Redrock such a hard time. It's because we really love dogs and hate for
any of them to suffer. There's a lot to this stuff you may not be aware
of (I know I wasn't, when I first lurked here). Check out the pages at
www.dog-play.com for more ideas. Diane has some pages about dog
breeding there. It's a fun page to visit; check it out.
--Terri Willis & Harlan
--
Also, just when you think you have them all
down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
another.
-- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
Christy
BACKYARD BREEDER! LOUSY ROTTEN PUPPYMILL SCUM!!
Geeez... yeah, I'm just drooling with jealousy that I can't be breeding poor
quality mutts like the redrock cretins.
Christy
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
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I am going to block all of the smut I am getting from jealous people.
Starting with you.
Christy <chr...@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7ka3dc$q...@dfw-ixnews11.ix.netcom.com...
OK. OK. OK.
We GET the picture! Stop making it so darn clear! You don't need to keep
telling us, we KNOW you are a lousy backyard breeder who doesn't breed to
standard or do health checks! You are just in it for the money! Thank you
but no thanks!! You'll find no suckers here, bub.
Christy
who'd take a Solaris Dobe any day but would never want a redrock mutt!!
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
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I have bred Doberman Pinschers for over 22 years.
When I think of Competition the name Solaris Dobermans Has never come up.
I offer Family Companion Protectors.
You can have the best looking pedigree but without the Dog to back it up
it's worthless.
Again Lisa came on as you have in attach mode.
You nor Lisa are interested in buying a dog.
I make good money selling my dogs.
It's not a gravy train.
I have no need to prove anything to you or anyone elt's.
When my web site is ready you are more than welcome to check it out.
I dont need your approval but thanks.
If your such a great breeder why dont you run with the Big Boys?
I DO.!
Most of my clients are people who have bought my Dobermans.
Sheriffs. District Attorneys ETC.
The type of people buying my dogs did not get where they are today being
Stupid.
Solaris Dobermans <solar...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7k9bhs$30i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
My previous post should have responded to "REDROCK" post.
Sorry Cari and Paul.
Kumiko
In article <37685E61...@celephais.force9.co.uk>,
Cari & Paul <ca...@celephais.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> Do you talk in sound bites too?
>
> redrock105 wrote:
>
> > I am not Dodging questions.
> > I am not going to waste my time with a group of Wanna be Dog
Breeders.
> > If you where half as up on things as you say you are.
> > You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
> > And Lisa had never herd of the Damasyn Doberman Pinschers.
> > I have sold Dobermans Long enough to know when someone is
interested in buying a dog.
> > And when someone is getting snotty and rude.
> > In the time it would take me to waste my time with miss snotty &
rude.
> > I could loose a $1000.00 dollar sale.
> > I have a new litter of puppies born yesterday.
> > My time is going to be spent with them.
> > I will deal with people of my choice.
> > If you feel that Lisa was not being rude and you sell Doberman
Pinschers than you sell her one of your dogs.
> > I am not going to deal with snotty rude stuck up know it all's.
> > I am not starving for a sale.
> > Redrock Doberman Pinschers are some of the finest quality oversized
Doberman Pinschers in the world.
> > There are no genetic faults in my Bloodlines.
> > I give a complete lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
> > I have worked with this bloodline for 22 years.
> > There is no hip problems in my Dobes.
> > I have never had a Doberman Pinscher returned as a reject.
> > I dont know of any breeders offering a lifetime guarantee.
> > They offer one year on genetic faults.
> > Most genetic problems will show between one and two years of age.
> > A breeder offering a one year guarantee is telling you that your
dog will have a problem and they are not going to do anything about it.
> > My Doberman Pinschers are bred down form the Warlock Doberman
Pinscher
> > Bred for World War 1 & 2
> > My Doberman Bloodlines go back to the Damasyn Artles and Brown.
> > They are three of the very best Doberman Pinscher bloodlines around.
> > I have no interest in the Doberman Pinscher club of America.
> > They are not doing anything for the breed.
> > I have no interest in what they call show dogs of the 90's
> > Brunswick Cryptonite was one of the best I have found around in
many years.
> > His mother and farther both have low thyroid.
> > I would not breed to a Doberman like that just for a fancy looking
pedigree.
> > To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher a Dobe must be as close to
perfect as possible.
>
>
Christy
skull of yours?
Puppymiller scum.
Christy
redrock105 <redro...@jobe.net> wrote in message
news:7kb88m$akg$0...@208.31.188.27...
I think you people need to get a life.
I have no interest in tiny skinny sickly show dogs.
Blocks Blocks Blocks
Theresa Willis
>Bla ,Bla ,Bla
>Any body elts want to be blocked.
>
Hmm, this part didn't make much sense, but the stuff you posted below sounded
right on the money!
--Terri Willis & Harlan
>Tricia <t...@finnish-spitz.demon.nl> wrote in message news:929637179.18370....@news.demon.nl...
>Marie, I normally snip previous posts, but if it helps innocents at
>large to beware then they need to read your statements twice! So here
>is their chance!
>Should ensure a second reading of more Redrocks ads in this way
>perhaps. Trouble is, I can't see anyone *buying* a dog from someone
>who boasts of his sales. I've bred two litters (disgusting way of
>saying that I'm proud of the 11 pups conceived for a definate purpose)
>in my nearly fifty years of pedigree ownership. Haven't made a sale,
>certainly didn't make a profit. A complete failure by Redrock
>criteria. Do have friends who write, phone, and email constantly about
>my babies.
>If anyone out there wants a new family friend - think very hard about
>your values. Don't encourage unscupulous people. Those who sincerely
>care for their breed will ask a lot more of you than a few ooh's and
>aah's at the sight of a litter of pups, followed by a fat check. If
>all goes well, you'll never get as far as meeting a pup. Too
>dangerous! In my experience, nine out of ten enquirers need to be
>asked to think again about dog ownership. The one remaining *possibly
>suitable owner* generally needs to be guided to a totally different
>breed than the one you happen to share your life with.
>Above all, steer clear of commercial breeders. Check with breed clubs,
>fine. Best of all, check with the rescue people when you decide on a
>breed. THEY can tell you first, second, and third hand, who to trust.
>Tricia - (calmed by 24hr. rule)
>
>
>
--
Looking for a pet? Live in the Kansas City area?
Check out http://www.critterconnection.com/shelterindex.html
Hey, it worked for me -- it's how I met this guy:
http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/harlan.html
Christy
I own a few really nice Dobes.
I do not own a kennel.
I am not advertising dogs for sale in Indiana.
I have sold dogs in Indiana with the full breeder rights.
I would rather have a few nice dogs than a lot of nothing.
I have sold allot of Dobes in the past 22 years.
Find me one of my rejects.
Dont quite your day job looking.
I care for the breed.
I do selective breeding.
I feel pretty, oh so pretty, I feel pretty and witty and gay, and I pity,
any girl who isn't me today.
It is expensive to properly raise Dobermans.
I do not charge more because people pay more.
I charge more because my Dobes are worth more.
Christy
with apologies to Terri Willis whose idea I blatantly stole.
twi...@sound.net
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> I am so excited.
> Jumping up and down screaming.
> I won ,I won.
> What have I won How do I pick up my prize.
You misunderstand. Re-read for comprehension. It was ale...@wt.net who
who, for causing you to post the old "get a life" response. It's a
contest we have whenever a clueless person show up here. The first one
to get the clueless newbie to say "get a life" wins.
> Does it bite?
You'd have to ask Bob.
> At least a little cheeriness was added to the post.
What cheeriness? I was disappointed that I didn't win. I NEVER WIN
THESE THINGS! IT'S A CONSPIRACY!
> There are plenty of excellent quality show dogs.
Yes, I'm sure there are. You can usually find them from breeders who do
all of the appropriate health checks.
> I have both Standard and Oversized Doberman Pinschers.
> NO HIP Problems
> NO skin or heart problems
> No bleeders
> No temperament problems
> To be a Redrock Doberman Pinscher
"De Nile" ain't just a river in Egypt.
Since you don't do tests, there's no way to know the above for certain.
> A Doberman must be as close to perfect as possible.
> I do care about the breed.
So do health checks to make sure each pup born has the best chance
possible of being healthy.
> I will only breed to the best quality I can find.
So do the tests, so people with good quality dogs will want to work
with you.
> So tell me What did I win?
You didn't win. It was ale...@wt.net.
> Your wondering if I blocked you.
Not really. I'm in lots of people's killfiles. My goal is to be in the
most killfiles ever. I have a lot of competition for this, but THAT
JUST MAKES ME TRY HARDER.
> NO not yet.
<SHATNER>Must... TRYharderto... BE... annoying....</shatner>
> <twi...@sound.net> wrote in message news:7kbc16
$pht$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <7kb88m$akg$0...@208.31.188.27>,
> "redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> >
> > I think you people need to get a life.
> > I have no interest in tiny skinny sickly show dogs.
>
> *bing*bing*bing*
>
> We have a winner!
>
> Congratulation, ale...@wt.net, you have inspired the infamous "get a
> life" retort from redrock105.
>
> Bob, tell her what she's won!
>
> --Terri Willis & Harlan
>
> --
> Also, just when you think you have them all
> down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
> another.
> -- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
>
>
--Terri Willis & Harlan
--
Also, just when you think you have them all
down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
another.
-- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
twi...@sound.net
HEY! You are off-topic! This is alt.animals.dogs, not
alt.animals.vipers!
CUT IT OUT!!!11!
twi...@sound.net
"Christy" <chr...@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> Christy
> with apologies to Terri Willis whose idea I blatantly stole.
>
addictive. And very, very naughty. But darn it, people like it!
Christy
<twi...@sound.net> wrote in message news:7kbgb0$rck$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I dunno. I think maybe your poetry would be better if it rhymed.
> I do not like green eggs and ham.
OH! I swear to GOD that I did not read this before I posted mine!! I SWEAR!!
Great minds think alike??? ;)
Christy
Mary Healey
>...I would bet a large sum of money that any
> person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
> his animals in poor living conditions.
You'd lose.
M.
twi...@sound.net
"Christy" <chr...@nospam.ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> <twi...@sound.net> wrote in message news:7kbgb0
$rck$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > I dunno. I think maybe your poetry would be better if it rhymed.
> ..
> > I do not like green eggs and ham.
> > I will not eat them, Sam I Am.
>
> OH! I swear to GOD that I did not read this before I posted mine!! I
> SWEAR!!
Same here. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
> Great minds think alike??? ;)
While fools seldom differ. Heh, heh.
I did a double-take when I saw your green eggs and ham line. There must
have been something in the original "poem" to make us both think of
that. Weird, eh?
--Terri Willis
Solaris Dobermans
He's unethical. He doesn't health test animals that are prone to
genetic faults. He sell his puppies to without spay/nueter contracts
or limited registrations. He can't intelligently discuss the Doberman
breed to long time Doberman fanciers. He knows nothing of the breed
history, yet he's been breeding them for 20 years?
Temperament tests are conducted all over the United States.
United Doberman Club has their own test. Doberman Pinscher Club of
America has their own (WAC - Working Apptitude Certification) - and no
you don't have to be a member to participate. ATTS (American
Temperament Test Society conducts testing all over the place. All the
above are around $ 25.00
OFA Certification can be done for as little as $ 150 - $ 200 depending
on your vets x-ray rates. This is a small price to pay to ensure you
breeding animals are not genetically affected.
The echocardiogram that we will be conducting before breeding our bitch
is around $ 200 but is a very very very necessary test. This test
should be done on annual basis for studs and before breeding any bitch.
Testing is so important to the betterment of the breed.
People choose what they have a passion for to exert their energy into.
Dobermans are my passion. Thirty years with my bitch wouldn't be
enough. A lifetime with her wouldn't be enough. Once you've owned a
well bred/well tempered Doberman, you will know what that love feels
like.
"The only bad thing about owning a Doberman is a part of you is buried
with him when he dies."
Kumiko Wilkison
Solaris Dobermans
In article <Fpba3.792$uo1....@news.uswest.net>,
"Nancy Casurella" <casu...@uswest.net> wrote:
> Hi! Why is everyone crucifying someone who obviously cares about
> dogs? He is not the enemy. The people who breed dogs and sell
> as many as possible and whose dogs suffer without adequate food,
> clean water, and clean and comfortable living quarters are the enemy,
> the puppy mill people. I would bet a large sum of money that any
> person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
> his animals in poor living conditions. People will always breed dogs
> outside of the show/obedience/professional web without following all
> of the suggested preventions for passing on genetic defects. I am
> curious how much a temperment test costs and how they test. Is this
> more reliable then normal life experiences show? How much for an
> OFA hip cert. nowadays? I thought some people are linking dysplasia
> to diet/exercise and not as much to heredity? The real issue to me is
> that this person is being treated as if he were a child molester or a
> serial killer and not as a breeder of dogs. Just because he does not
> subscribe to your views does not make him any less worthy of respect
> as a human being than any other person in the world. Also, I am
> thinking that if all of you dobie show people would focus your energy
> and enthusiasm and brainpower on serious community and world
> problems they could be solved! Maybe a different approach would
> have been received differently. I promise never to breed a doberman.
:)
> Thank you, Nancy
Christy
http://www.crosswinds.net/~ksk/
Christy
<liebl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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AlGreen
>I just found out the meaning of:a den of iniquity and a pit of vipers.I
What is it? We'd all like to know. Thanks!
Ann, Twzl, Sligo and Roy
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ron Hardin in response to why you shouldn't spay or neuter...
Because it costs the parents their gender and thereby some of their happiness.
Christy
Puppy milling scum.
Christy
<liebl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:7kbm80$tvh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> I just found out the meaning of:a den of iniquity and a pit of vipers.I
AlGreen
>> I am curious how much a temperment test costs and how they test.
>> Is this more reliable then normal life experiences show?
>> How much for an OFA hip cert. nowadays? I thought some people are
>> linking dysplasia to diet/exercise and not as much to heredity?
>I'll have to let someone more knowledgeable respond to this part.
To do a set of xrays, of hips and elbows, will run about $185 to about
$225, depending on where you live. Submission to OFA is going to run about
$25 an xray from what I can remember.
I can't imagine NOT doing this in a breed where dysplasia is common!
Is hip dysplasia linked to diet and exercise? Not really: if a dog has NO
predisposition to dysplasia, you can raise them on generic dog food and
tile floors and let them jump 36 inch fences at four months. They'll STILL
be normal. OTOH if a dog has the genes that will result in hip dysplasia,
they may be more easily expressed via poor diet and management. OTOH!, if
a dog is kept very, very, very thin and not allowed free exercise, you may
be able to get a dog to NOT be dysplastic, that in more normal
circumstances might be. Dysplasia is a bunch of things rolled into one,
from the shape of the ball and socket of the hip to early onset arthritic
changes and remodeling. Odds are that all of this "stuff" is made possible
by various genes acting in combination.
But hey...if you're a back yard breeder ya don' gotta worry about dis
stuff.
redrock105
I do care a great deal about my Doberman Pinschers.
All of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers a family raised in my home.
I breed three to four litters a year.
I do not sell to brokers,puppy mills.or Pet shops.
I offer my Doberman Pinschers to people looking for a Family Companion.
I have not had any complaints and have not found any problems with my Doberman Pinschers.
I have bred Dobermans for 22 years.
I have never had a Doberman Pinscher come back as a reject.
I think that is a great record for a breeder.
With that in mind I do not OFA test my Dobermans.
I do offer a lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
I do not judge the quality with the size of the dog.
Most of my clients want the larger dogs.
Some have tested dogs they have bought from me for OFA.
Had the dog had problems I would replace the dog.
I have paid big money for a future stud dog.
I sold two of them without ever using them for 20.00 dollars each.
I take the time to care.
If there is a problem I will not breed the dog.
Nancy Casurella <casu...@uswest.net> wrote in message news:Fpba3.792$uo1....@news.uswest.net...
Hi! Why is everyone crucifying someone who obviously cares about
dogs? He is not the enemy. The people who breed dogs and sell
as many as possible and whose dogs suffer without adequate food,
clean water, and clean and comfortable living quarters are the enemy,
the puppy mill people. I would bet a large sum of money that any
person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
his animals in poor living conditions. People will always breed dogs
outside of the show/obedience/professional web without following all
curious how much a temperment test costs and how they test. Is this
more reliable then normal life experiences show? How much for an
OFA hip cert. nowadays? I thought some people are linking dysplasia
redrock105
Mary Healey <mhhe...@iastate.edu> wrote in message news:37695B8F...@iastate.edu...
Nancy Casurella wrote:
>...I would bet a large sum of money that any
> person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
> his animals in poor living conditions.
You'd lose.
M.
redrock105
I do not own a kennel.
I do not respond to people out looking for trouble.
Just trying to find someone to pick on.
It would not matter what was said to people like that.
Lisa first E Mail to me was very bold and rude.
I deal with people all the time.
I can pick the breeder wanna bee's out of the crowd.
I will not waste my time answering questions to someone being nosy.
Just looking for something to pick at.
I for one have a very large hate for puppy mills.
two or three hundred dogs and they just dont have a clew.
Then I have found the small scale puppy mills.
There dogs are a little better taken care of.
But all they do is brag on the names on the papers.
They dont have the dogs to back it up.
Dogs like that go to the brokers.
People buy them 800.00 to 1500.00 they end up living with the mistake.
If people where buying my dogs to live a night mare of broken hearts.
I would not breed dogs any more.
My dogs have gone to some of the best homes from Police to family pals.
I dont OFA the Dobes I have had for years.
WHY? There is no problems.
<twi...@sound.net> wrote in message news:7kbmh6$u39$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
In article <Fpba3.792$uo1....@news.uswest.net>,
"Nancy Casurella" <casu...@uswest.net> wrote:
> Hi! Why is everyone crucifying someone who obviously cares about
> dogs?
Not sure who you are referring to here. If it's the redrock person, I
have to say that it is not obvious to me that this person obviously
cares about dogs. I'll try and explain why.
> He is not the enemy. The people who breed dogs and sell
> as many as possible and whose dogs suffer without adequate food,
> clean water, and clean and comfortable living quarters are the enemy,
> the puppy mill people.
Some puppy mills are clean, believe it or not. They still aren't good.
> person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
> his animals in poor living conditions.
No one is accusing anyone in this thread of keeping their animals in
poor living conditions.
But it takes more than having good living conditions to be a
responsible breeder.
> People will always breed dogs outside of the
> show/obedience/professional
Actually, you may mean the show/obedience/hobbyist. Puppy millers are
professionals, after all.
> web without following all of the suggested preventions for passing on
> genetic defects.
Gosh, I sure hope not. I hope some day the only people who are breeding
dogs are folks who care enough about them to do all the suggested
preventions for passing on genetic defects.
I think education is an important part of making this happen. If more
people realized what makes an ethical breeder, it could only be good
for the dogs.
Part of this education is pointing out what you think is unethical and
irresponsible.
Not testing your breeding stock is unethical and irresponsible.
> I am curious how much a temperment test costs and how they test.
> Is this more reliable then normal life experiences show?
> How much for an OFA hip cert. nowadays? I thought some people are
> linking dysplasia to diet/exercise and not as much to heredity?
I'll have to let someone more knowledgeable respond to this part.
> The real issue to me is that this person is being treated as if he
> were a child molester or a serial killer and not as a breeder of
> dogs.
I don't see that. I see them being treated as an irresponsible breeder.
> Just because he does not subscribe to your views does not make him
> any less worthy of respect as a human being than any other person in
> the world.
Some humans deserve lots of my respect, some not so much. Kind of
depends on the individual human. I judge 'em by their statements and
actions.
And if anyone is doing things that contribute to the shelter problem, I
don't have a lot of respect for them.
If someone sees dogs as livestock to make money off of, I don't have a
lot of respect for them.
Only an ignorant or irresponsible person would breed dogs without doing
the health screenings. Ignorance can be educated. This person is aware
of the health tests and chooses to ignore them. I feel that that is
irresponsible. I don't respect that.
> Also, I am thinking that if all of you dobie show people would focus
> your energy and enthusiasm and brainpower on serious community and
> world problems they could be solved!
Well, some of us feel that the number of pets being killed in shelters
is a serious community and world problem. Irresponsible breeding
practices are why there are so many unwanted animals.
And there's also the heartbreak of families who buy pets who wind up
with bad health problems.
That's why irresponsible breeders are given such a rough time here.
> Maybe a different approach would have been received differently.
Perhaps. But I don't think any approach would have swayed a person so
deep in denial. However, the ridicule may have opened a newbie's eyes
as to what makes an ethical breeder. That's kind of how it worked for
me. I lurked here a long time, and I learned a lot of new ideas about
dog breeding. Perhaps someone reading this thread will revise their
ideas about what makes an ethical breeder as I once did.
> I promise never to breed a doberman. :)
Me too!
> Thank you, Nancy
>
Well, I hope this helps you understand why so many have been giving
Redrock such a hard time. It's because we really love dogs and hate for
any of them to suffer. There's a lot to this stuff you may not be aware
of (I know I wasn't, when I first lurked here). Check out the pages at
www.dog-play.com for more ideas. Diane has some pages about dog
breeding there. It's a fun page to visit; check it out.
--Terri Willis & Harlan
--
Also, just when you think you have them all
down------Llama spit comes around in one form or
another.
-- Frederick Hassen 5/23/99
redrock105
Any one elts want to be blocked while I am flushing the toilet?
<twi...@sound.net> wrote in message news:7kbbfs$paq$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
In article <7kb7k4$9go$0...@208.31.188.27>,
"redrock105" <redro...@jobe.net> wrote:
> Hesitates to answer.
> I have to work my dear.
> I do not sit with my face in the computer.
> I could care less what you buy or from whome.
That is the worst haiku I have ever seen.
Also, what's with the Jerry Howe spelling?
Nancy E. Holmes or R. Nelson Ruffin
redrock105 wrote in message <7kc1v6$5vc$0...@208.31.188.46>...
snip.
I dont OFA the Dobes I have had for years.
WHY? There is no problems.
snip
If you don't x-ray you have no idea if there are problems or not
If you don't test for VwD you have no idea if there is a problem or not
I could go on but you get the drift I am sure
Ignorance of the reality of the genetic heritage of dogs does not make it go
away
Nancy
who x-rays and tests and takes back any dog she ever bred no questions if
need be not to mention rescuing the errors others leave behind while they
count the cash on the sale
Lisa Baird
redrock105 wrote:
> I do offer a lifetime Guarantee against genetic faults.
What is your guarnatee? Do you pay for any medical care the dog might need? Reimburse purchase price?
If so, allow them to keep, or insist on return of dog? Or something else?
Lisa
Sprint2
You leave me no choice PLONK
Any one elts want to be blocked while I am flushing the toilet?
<
Oh! Me me me me me me!!!!!! I'm going for a record. Think you can
help out? :^P
However I'm not sure that I qualify as an "elts". Is that good?
--
~Darlene~
Remove me to reply. ;^)
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Sprint2
> <SHATNER>Must... TRYharderto... BE... annoying....</shatner>
>
ROFLMAO!!!!
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Lisa D.
> If your such a great breeder why dont you run with the Big Boys?
And who are these "Big Boys"?
> > If you where half as up on things as you say you are.
> > You would be very well aware of the Redrock Doberman Pinschers.
Might this be the same "Redrock" that purposely breeds rottie-dobe
crosses??
> > And Lisa had never herd of the Damasyn Doberman Pinschers.
I never said that. I a-s-k-e-d YOU the following;
-What do you mean by "Futurity Damasyn Line"?
-Please tell us more about Damasyn, and the
history/person(s) behind Damasyn
I pointed out the follwing;
*the "Futurity" is an event, not a "line" of Dobermans...
It's extremely pathetic that you are trying to market your dogs by using
the term "Futurity Damasyn Line" when Peggy Adamson is no longer here to
say otherwise...Or do you even know WHO Peggy Adamson IS?????
There's nothing worse than an unethical and irresponsible breeder riding
on the coat-tails of someone's name. :-/
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redrock105
I have bred dogs for 22 years now.
Now and then I get a wanna be breeder and they stand out like a sore thumb.
Raving on about nothing.
I try to be polite but I dont waste my time with them.
I wondered where they all went over the years.
I think they feel braver in large numbers or something.
Ide say there are 8 or 9 breeders who try to make others look bad.
They want all the glory for them self.
I feel the best thing to do as there are hundreds of people watching this news group.
I am not going to let a few sour Croats get to me.
I will block them one by one.
People like that are always bothering some one.
If they think you are having a great day they will be miserable.
I want to mention to those it may concern.
While you have all bin grumbling about who you would buy a dog from.
I have got three sales of my puppies from this news group.
Some people know quality when they see it.
As far as the people in Indiana.
They did buy a Doberman Pinscher Breeder from me.
If they want to use the Redrock name to help them sell a few puppies.
I dont have a problem with that at all.
They are wonderful people.
I am sure they will find good homes for the puppies.
Redrock Doberman Pinschers are owned and shipped all over the world.
<liebl...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7kbm80$tvh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
I just found out the meaning of:a den of iniquity and a pit of vipers.I
have never seen so much backbiting in all of my life,in one place.If I
did not own a dog already I would never want to own one,if I had to
deal with arrogant people like people on this site.In article
<qUT93.2918$Mp5....@news.rdc1.pa.home.com>,
"MaryBeth" <marb...@home.com> wrote:
>
> PAUL & KIRSTEN REED wrote in message <7k8pra$bp0$1...@news10.roka.net>...
> >Well, redrock wasn't the only one who thought she was rude.
> >To buy an animal has a lot to do with trust. If I would be him I
wouldn't
> >sell her a dog either.
> >By the way, redrock has no reason to be nervous about anything....
> >Lisa was just being a freak, who tried to sound important.
> >Kirsten
>
> My Dear Kirsten,
> Lisa is the FARTHEST poster from a 'freak' I've met on all my
years on
> USENET. Go to dejanews if you don't believe me. However, I note that
you're
> also posting to alt.animals.dogs I don't get that group.....yet. But
if
> you're planning on buying a dog, you'd do VERY well to pay attention
to
> Lisa.
> Otherwise, go pick up some mutts (IMO) from redrocks, after all,
they
> won't say what testing is done, nor answer any questions. This makes
me
> suspicious, and it should you too. I'd think they're more along the
lines of
> puppymill or BYB. If they get *this* upset on the net over a few very
well
> thought out questions, I'd run for the hills to get away from them.
I'd not
> let my dogs *play* with theirs. And I rescued mine !! I wouldn't let
mine
> sniff the butts of the redrock mutts. <G>
>
> MaryBeth
MaliMore
No, no, TRIPLE it!
>Nancy Casurella wrote:
>>...I would bet a large sum of money that any
>> person who speaks with so much pride in his animals does not keep
>> his animals in poor living conditions.
>
>You'd lose.
>
>M.
MaliMore
Really, Redrock, it displays a complete lack of command of the English language
(now lets see how bad I can screw up my English!). Not having command of the
English language, if you are not native to a country that doesn't speak
English, shows a lack of education. This does not impress people. I've heard
of poetry fanatics, but this is rediculous!
Now, on to some of the things that you majorly bumbled on! You are sticking
your foot in your mouth left and right! I'm not even into Dobes (most should
know I love my Boxers), but I pick on a few things and I also actually read and
LEARN from people that have corrected you! Also, I know that Dobes are not
supposed to be "oversized". That little line you threw in caught my attention
right away, but I didn't say anything. I knew that someone else would. I
usually wait until I have a lot to say on something before I post (especially
when I'm accumulating tid-bits of info).
On to some of the corrections. (Ok, so something screwed up and I was reading
the thread and had to shut down the computer. Where there were 60 posts to
start, there are only 9 now [I don't know where the others went]).
Redrock's demented, non-rhyming, bad poetry:
>I breed three to four litters a year.
PUPPYMILL!!!!!!!! Anyone that breeds this many litters in one year is
DEFINITELY not an ethical breeder, unless this is ALL they do (and even then I
would still question it).
>I offer my Doberman Pinschers to people looking for a Family Companion.
Without screening them to be sure that they are going to offer a good home,
make sure their personalities match the breed, and on and on and on........get
a grip......you're in it for the money.
>I have not had any complaints and have not found any problems with my Doberman
Pinschers.
No complaints.....most people don't know they can call and complain! Most
don't know because the seller didn't inform them that they could!
There was a keyword in the quote. Raise your hand if you caught it everyone!
Answer: FOUND Of course you haven't FOUND any problems! You don't test!
Breeding for 22 years, have 2-4 litters a year and only have 2 dogs in the OFA
database? PUPPYMILL!
>I think that is a great record for a breeder.
Puppymill, you keep trying to up your status.
>With that in mind I do not OFA test my Dobermans.
So basically, as long as you don't test, you won't FIND these problems, so you
won't know they are there.
I'm starting to wonder if you are a lawyer! "It's not fraud if the seller
didn't KNOW the problem was there."
>I do not judge the quality with the size of the dog.
There are reasons there are standards. Why do you think there are standards on
weights of people? Problems start to develop if the dog is not within
standards (i.e. for people--overweight people have more problems with their
knees). Logic says that if a dog is over-sized, it is more likely to develope
problems, also.
>Some have tested dogs they have bought from me for OFA.
Names, please. Give names and the database will be checked.
>Had the dog had problems I would replace the dog.
SO THIS IS THE GREAT SOLUTION? Replace the dog? I've had Tyson less than a
month and am already VERY attached. It wouldn't much matter to me if the
breeder would REPLACE him (that would be impossible, there is not another
Tyson). Sure, the breeder would give me another puppy, but Tyson could never
be replaced. I'm glad I bought from someone that tests and takes every
precaution she can to insure that the puppy will have a healthy life!
As far as I'm concerned, you are a puppymill. Maybe not on such a grand scale
as some of the others, but a puppy mill, nonetheless. Heck, you aren't even as
high as a BYB! At least most BYBs are just doing what they do out of sheer
ignorance.
BTW, can I be PLONKED now? I haven't been PLONKED that I know of. I have to
keep up with Terri and Harlen, ya know?
Mali
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be
misquoted, then used against you."
Manadero
<snip>
> I do not like green eggs and ham.
> I will not eat them, Sam I Am.
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
ROTFLMAO!!! Pass the windex and the paper towels!
That is truly the funniest thing I've seen in weeks.
Pity it's so accurate.
Robin
Manadero
>I breed a few excellent Dobes that are raised in my home.
Sorry I just have to put my .02 worth in.
If you do the math - 4 litters a year out of "a few dogs" means that they are
being bred continuously. At that rate, with an average litter being 8 pups,
you have produced some 700+ Dobermans in the last 22 years. *Two* of which
have been OFA'd - None of whom have been CERF'd or otherwise certified clear of
the many genetic defects common in the breed. Not only that, but apparently
none of the parents and not one of the 700+ puppies has been titled. Not a
very good track record for damn near "perfect" dogs.
>I do not own a kennel.
So either your house smells *really* bad, or they are housed out of doors.
Sorry, you don't produce and raise 700+ puppies on with a "few" house dogs.
Especially since one of the "few" would be the stud dog... surely anyone with
lines as fabulous as yours *never* pays for an outside stud! Besides, it's such
a selling point - - - Parents on Premises
>I do not respond to people out looking for trouble.
>Just trying to find someone to pick on.
Reads: I do not respond to rude people who ask intelligent questions
concerning my breeding program and the dogs that I produce. *Those* kind of
people are the same "troublemakers" who would actually do health tests on the
puppy they buy from me. Certainly don't want that!!! I only sell to people
who are completely ignorant when it comes to pedigrees/breed history/genetic
problems. Otherwise, my BYB spiel doesn't sound *nearly* as good!
>I can pick the breeder wanna bee's out of the crowd.
Are those different than the honey bees?
I would think that any kennel that has produced 700+ puppies should at least
be able to boast of *one* that is well known within Dobe circles - and in your
case that dog would be????? What do you have to show for your years of labor
(besides a fat wallet?)
>Then I have found the small scale puppy mills.
>There dogs are a little better taken care of.
>But all they do is brag on the names on the papers.
Like you do? Let's at least hope those others get their dates right (like not
attributing a single dog born in the 50's with being the "line" that was used
in WWI and WWII) or that they know whether the "name" they are dropping is
spelled correctly or if the dog in question is dead or alive.
>They dont have the dogs to back it up.
Tell us again about those titles not earned and health clearances not done. I
don't consider using the point that your dogs are out of the standard "backing
it up" - Unless of course you mean the way you back up when anyone asks
questions about your dogs.
>If people where buying my dogs to live a night mare of broken hearts.
>I would not breed dogs any more.
How do you know what your dogs/ their owners are going through? Have you kept
track of every single one of those 700+ puppies for their lifetime? Do you
know what they died from? Do you know how many of them were surrendered to the
shelter? Some 70% of dogs are not kept for their entire lifetime by one
person. Are you saying that none of your 700+ customers have ever parted with
a dog?
>I dont OFA the Dobes I have had for years.
>WHY? There is no problems.
The only two Dobes from your kennel that have been OFA'd were in 95' and 97' -
pretty recent for a "line" that is 22 years old wouldn't you say? If one were
to buy your claims that you "have no problems" it would make much more sense
that you would have OFA'd the dogs at the beginning of your breeding, say, back
in the mid 70's. Not 18-20 years *after* you bred Dobes for the first time.
Robin