Re: fighting dogs
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"John Smith" <j...@jd.net> wrote in message
news:ki%Em.76048$lR3....@newsfe25.iad...
> Hi,
> I have two strays we took in.
EXXXCELLENT~!
> One literally attacks the other.
WELCOME to The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And Human
And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory <{}';~ ) >
Permit me to introduce myself; I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely
Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand
Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey,
SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic
Medications ABUSE Wizard <{}:~ ) >
> I don't want to get rid of either.
Well then, HOWE COME you're askin The Gang Of PATHETIC
MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN PUNK
THUG COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES for "advice" THEY AIN'T
GOT instead of goin directly to the SOURCE for ALL THINGS GOOD
regardin dogs kats an kids??:
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
> Jen "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7ze...@comcast.com...
> > Hello, Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for positive- only dog
> > training, in particular clicker training? Thanks, Lucy
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was enough people
> interested maybe we could start one. I've just started clicker training my
> dog and have been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.
Dr. Von
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> Actually, I have three, but the third is no problem.
ALL aggression is FEAR; ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING <{}:~ ( >
> Oddly he was first in the house and has no problems sharing with either.
That's IRRELEVANT <{}:~ ( >
Dogs, bein PACK critters, SHARE naturally and INSTINCTIVELY <{}:~ ) >
> He likes other animals.
But of curse~! Dogs, bein PACK critters, are SOCIAL <{}:~ ) >
> Hates people but that is another story.
Unh-uh; it's the same old story for which we been jerkin chokin
shockin surgically sexually mutilatin an MURDERIN innocent
defenseless dumb critters who's only PROBLEM was bein AFRAID
of bein JERKED CHOKED SHOCKED an MUTILATED <{}:~ ( >
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Miami, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
SEE?
> The second dog is the problem.
INDEED?
PERHAPS you don't read doggy language, John? It's
ALWAYS the MOST FEARFUL dog who's the PROBLEM;
dogs DO NOT ATTACK unless they're AFRAID:
INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.
Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.
I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.
After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.
My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.
Hot rats! The device worked,
Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.
A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!
So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.
Merlin walked into my office.
Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.
It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???
I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.
Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.
In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.
This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!
Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.
Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.
Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.
Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.
So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF
ORGANISMS.
Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who
is the animal?).
The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight species,
totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been conditioned, and
we have dared to tackle such unlikely subjects as reindeer, cockatoos,
raccoons, porpoises, and whales. "
Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.
Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983
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> The third does not attack her. He avoids her.
You mean he's AFRAID of her but not DEATHLY afraid?
Opposite sex aggression is THE MOST UN-NATURAL
behavior for a PACK CRITTER; wouldn't you agree?
> I have tried introducing them as I have with dogs in the past. I have
> never had trouble before. I have had dogs all my life.
Here's ALL the INFORMATION you need to learn HOWE to
pupperly handle, raise an train your dogs kats monkeys goats
ferrets, children an spHOWES -- an maybe even your drunken
drug crazed family members an friends:
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
> I have never had an animal that just could not be controlled
> around other animals before. She literally came past me to
> attack the other dog and when I pulled her off lifted him by the scruff of
> the neck. I had to strike her to get her to let go, or perhaps pry her
> jaws. It is a bit of a blur.
Yeah. Things can get screwbally really really fast <{}:~ ( >
> I have never had this sort of problem before.
NO PROBLEMO~! You can EZily, GENTLY, NON-PHYSICALLY,
alternately / variably distract and INSTANTLY PRAISE your dog
for her "AGGRESSION" and you'll EXXXTINGUISH IT NEARLY
INSTANTLY if you STUDY an follHOWE the INSTRUCTIONS
PRECISELY <{}'; ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park
dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Anyone else have an opinion?
I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.
It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.
It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.
It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.
Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.
I wish all the best to you and your dog.
Lucy
----------------------
SEE?
An here's a lyin animal murderin MENTAL PATIENT,
a self-professed SHELTER / RESCUE owner / director
complainin abHOWET NOT HURTIN MUTILATIN an
MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 25 May 2005
Subject: Re: Should I take the 'Puppy Wizard' seriously?
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> Here are just a few things to take into consideration when being advised
> to read the 'manual' written by the 'Puppy Wizard', or
> follow his 'advice':
Since I've been the only one who advised to read The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's manual lately, I'll try to reply
to this.
> - His beliefs/opinions about dogs - - he's said that he doesn't like dogs,
> and it does not appear that he has dogs and is not clear that he ever had
> dogs.
That's a matter of opinion, of course - an opinion that
I do not share and one that you cannot support with proof.
The fact that he doesn't post a link to the pictures of
his dogs doesn't prove that those dogs don't exist, much
less that they never have existed.
> He believes that a dog is a dog is a dog and that there is no difference
> between the temperaments and learning styles of breeds that have been bred
> for generations to do a particular job.
> He claims that all misbehaviors and illnesses are caused by mishandling or
> abuse. These opinions are not supported by the literature.
I don't think that he said that ALL the illnesses are
caused by mishandling or abuse, but that mishandling/
abuse did cause a great number of apparently unrelated
illnesses.
There's a vast literature supporting that - just look
at the variety of stress-induced disorders.
> - His claim that he can train any dog in the world while sitting naked in
> front of his computer, without personally assessing said dog.
And yet, I can tell you from first hand experience that this
claim is justified (except the part about "sitting naked", for
which we have to take The Amazing Puppy Wizard's word)
in the case of two dogs who are living half the world away
from him - MY two dogs.
For instance, he told me exactly what to do when Bonnie was
barking with excitement as someone she loved was arriving,
and his advice worked... like magic!
Also, his advice about how to deal with her fear of thunder
was the ONLY thing that could calm her down.
> This is simply not credible.
Sometimes the truth does seem unbelievable, but it is still the truth.
> Additionally, he appears to spend all of his time posting to various
> newsgroups, some of which have nothing to do with dogs;
And this fact has nothing to do with his ability to train
dogs via the Internet, either.
> he digs up and responds to old posts, responds to his own posts himself,
> posts and cross-posts sometimes hundreds of posts a day and all through
> the night. This suggests that he's not spending much time actually
> training dogs.
Perhaps he can afford it. One thing is certain: his training
method is incredibly easy to apply. In certain respects, the
result is practically instant. Like with aggression, for example.
Or with separation anxiety.
> - His reputation, or lack of same - - though he claims to be a well-known
> dog trainer, no one who lives in the area where he lives has ever heard of
> him.
Again, this has nothing to do with the fact that his method WORKS.
> - His behavior on this newsgroup.
So he isn't "nice" (but, you know, neither the rest of you
are exactly very friendly to those who disagree with you).
Anyway, does it matter so much how he behaves here, if
his method is successful with our dogs?
After all, we don't need to train HIM, we need to train our
DOGS; and Jerry understands exactly what seems to be going
on in the dogs' minds and he has both the experience and the
willingness to teach others how to use this understanding in
order to modify their own dogs' behavior as they desire.
I fail to see how - for someone who comes here for help with
some very urgent and specific problem - Jerry's online behavior
would be more important than the fact that his method could
really aid their dog.
Lucy (and I never said that one should do as Jerry says, I
only advised that they should read_the_manual_ and_decide_
for_ themselves_, while the rest of you seem to think that just
READING the manual can somehow cause damage)
----------------------
Here's racetrack silly IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED an
DISCREDITED as a lyin animal murderin MENTAL PATIENT:
From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: Tues, May 24 2005
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> On 23 May 2005 TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com wrote:
> > HOWEDY racetrack silly,
> > sighthounds & siberians wrote:
> >> On 21 May 2005 dinglejingl... @yahoo.com wrote:
> >> <major snippage>
> >> I'm neither a trainer nor an expert,
> > RIGHT. But you ARE a mentally ill lying
> > dog abusing punk thug coward and president
> > of the GH RESCUE that MURDERS 66% of their
> > RESCUE dogs.
> Are you reading this, Lucy? The above is a flat-out lie.
From:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/msg/b51f2b...
<<It probably wouldn't hurt, and a dose of reality
might be helpful, too. I'm president of the board
of our local shelter. The new board has almost
succeeded in pulling the APL out of financial ruin,
and very soon now we'll be able to turn our attention
to making improvements in our shelter, increasing
adoptions, etc. We are in the largest county in our
state, and it's also one of the poorest. We take in
around 3,000 animals a year and euthanize two-
thirds of them.>>
Nope. No lie. Two thirds=66%.
Actually, closer to 67%.
IS that really what "rescue" means, Sally?
Killing 2 out of every 3 dogs one "rescues"?
Geeez!
> Does that matter to you at all, or is it OK for Jerry to make
> up whatever shit he wants to 'support' his lunatic claims?
What exactly was "made up" by Jerry, then?
The part about your "mental illness"? Why, you
call him "lunatic", so you're both even on that.
Though I still can't help wondering how "sane"
someone who loves dogs can be when running
a shelter that puts down two thirds of the dogs
it "rescues".
> Mustang Sally (disgusted)
Lucy (likewise)
----------------------
Here's a few of racetrack silly's SUCCESSES:
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
SEE?
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and unwanted
animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
SEE?
From: sighthounds & siberians <x...@ncweb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005
Subject: Re: my brother's dog
Assuming you could have found someone who knew
what they were doing. When the problems with Justy
and Tasha started, we contacted everyone we could
think of, including the Dal rescue people and trainers.
There weren't any behaviorists around, but someone,
I don't remember who, referred us to one in another
state who did phone consultations!
Of course, that was of limited value. In retrospect,
I still think that situation was unsalvageable. But
we sure learned a lot about multi-dog interactions,
dog aggression and managing less severe fighting
situations.
It was months before hearing a dog growl
didn't make my heartbeat race.
Mustang Sally
----------------
SEE??
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001
Subject: Re: shock collars
Sally Hennessey <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:b8m1dtsv6vuiblo63...@4ax.com...
Aside from being incredibly offensive and self-
righteous, this post shows and absence of knowledge
in the differences in dogs' temperaments, or perhaps
a lack of ability to perceive same.
The fact that you, Alison, have never met a dog to
whom corrections and discomfort, even pain, were
unimportant does not mean that such dogs do not exist.
What it means is that you don't know as much about
dogs as you think you do, and you surely don't know
a damn thing about Harlan or anyone else's dog here.
I had a Dalmatian that would instigate fights with
one of her housemates; that dog had no fear or
anything, and pain incurred during a fight meant
nothing to her.
I know that that dog is not unique, and I'm sure many
people here can tell similar stories. The fact that
you, Alison, continue to say things to people such as
what you said to Theresa about causing her dog to
suffer (at least I guess that's what you meant by
"you cause your dog suffers" - - must be the King's
English you guys talk about over there) means that
you are an ignorant, arrogant, insensitive person
who is not worth further notice.
Sally Hennessey
SEE?
"Sally Hennessey" <greyho...@ncweb.com> wrote in message
news:54nuetsqgkhp26qqv...@4ax.com...
Nope. No more than you'd convince Patch that
prongs and e-collars, in the right hands, are not
intrinsically abusive; or that dogs trained properly
with prongs or e-collars are not fearful, in pain, or
intimidated; or that any one of us here knows our
own dogs and their reactions better than someone
who has never seen them or us...hmmm.
I'm starting to see some similarities here.
Sally Hennessey
---------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Here's a other MENTAL PATIENT:
Lynn K.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.
-----------------------------
SEE?
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn wrote:
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).
If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.
This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."
----------------------
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn CONtinues:
"My last paying "job" was as Exec. Dir.
of the local Humane Society, I used to
work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one
shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.
In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.
Which one is it?
-----------------------------
WORDS OF WISDOM
From Our Own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft
EVERY DAY
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.
I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."
Lynn K.
------------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
AN LIKE THIS:
From: Nevyn (ali...@wasp.net.au)
Subject: Newsgroups: rec. pets. dogs. behavior
Date: 2002-03-01
Hello
I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler
(spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural)
x Pug (don't laugh!).
They are gentle loving dogs when I'm at home with them, and they
are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously
dominant over the other, and I don't have a problem with that, however;
Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I'm
walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have
only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn't walk them
and now I'm home so I walk them for about an hour and half every
afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in
the lake.
This is my problem :
The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk
past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it,
and treating her with treats when she doesn't, using a choke chain, a
muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks.
She won't stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ]
Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the
other dog barks, she doesn't bark, but she nips at the other dog as if
telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the
more-dominant one and they fight on the leash... it is quite
disturbing to the people walking past.
And also the more-dominant one is okay around other
dogs... SOMETIMES... sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet
other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant
one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park.
How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods
I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac
k-behaviour thing?
It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old
lady's or little girl's dog.
They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs
around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park
and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for
more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them
home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address,
ali...@wasp.net.au coz this list is tooo crowded.
Thanks,
Nevyn
=======================
Nevyn writes:
Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training
manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well
behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the
success and have asked me to work on their dogs!
I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an
angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!!
I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse
their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they
are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!)
Once again, Jerry, you are a genius!
NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents
dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz.
================
Never give out your password or credit card number in an
instant message conversation.
Nevyn says:
hello Jerry.
Jerry says:
HOWEDY Nevyn
Nevyn says:
How are you?
Jerry says:
sup?
Nevyn says:
Oh nothing
Nevyn says:
My dogs are alot better now!
Jerry says:
fine
Jerry says:
tell me
Nevyn says:
I can walk them on or off the leash and they don't
give a #@% about other dogs
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats
Jerry says:
naah
Nevyn says:
Yup
Jerry says:
what did you do, buy a shock collar?
Nevyn says:
No
Nevyn says:
Praised them
Jerry says:
ahh!
Jerry says:
you think they're 100% better
Nevyn says:
'cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he
swears at them and pours water on them
Nevyn says:
nahh they still have stinky breath!
Nevyn says:
muahaha
Jerry says:
ok
Jerry says:
I'll go for that
Jerry says:
it'll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you're
consistent
Jerry says:
then he won't swear and throw water at them
Nevyn says:
yeah but he's only out on the weekends
Jerry says:
but they'll still have stinky breath
Nevyn says:
muahahaha
Jerry says:
you gonna write the group and tell them they're suckin hind teat?
Nevyn says:
eh
Nevyn says:
nah
Nevyn says:
cant
Nevyn says:
my news server isn't workin
Nevyn says:
how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it
Jerry says:
why not.
Nevyn says:
sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server
Jerry says:
you got anything you'd like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer
to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box?
Jerry says:
I guess you don't want to tell them nuthin that they don't already know,
huh?
Nevyn says:
hah
Nevyn says:
tell them they're fuckers who need to die
Nevyn says:
dogs aren't for abusing they are for loving they love so much
Jerry says:
that's HOWE COME they got me now
Jerry says:
howe much training time did it take for the two of 'em?
Nevyn says:
pfftt
Nevyn says:
it didn't even seem like training
Nevyn says:
its been 24 days since I got your manual
Jerry says:
pfffttt!!!!
Jerry says:
hhahahahaha
Jerry says:
have you got that feeling that they're in tune with EVERYTHING you're
wanting them to do?
Jerry says:
I forgot what city you're in.
Jerry says:
maybe if you're near alphalpha sweeny you can swing
by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs???
Jerry says:
BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Nevyn says:
LOL
Nevyn says:
I'm in Perth, Australia!
Nevyn says:
and yes they do seem to be in tune
=====================
Nevyn says:
oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a
tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL
Jerry says:
EXCELLENT!
Nevyn says:
lol
Jerry says:
they knew they didn't need to fight, cause everything was in
your expert control.
Keep up the good work. j;~)
-----------------
Nevyn has since gone on to become a professional dog trainer:
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using
JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive,
pulled on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought
between each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual,
they were calm, friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
============
> Even with the dog that does not like people, if I keep him beside me for a
> half hour or so while I talk with the person he will accept them. He will
> not leave my control to attack them. He will attack if I just let him run
> and don't properly
> introduce him to new people.
We can EXXXTINGUISH ALL fear and aggression NEARLY INSTANTLY.
HERE'S HOWE COME:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS
were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims
of operant programers."
----------------------
> I have tried the same type tactics with the dogs and it is not working.
Your "same type tactics" are FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION;
"MANAGEMENT ALWAYS FAILS":
Re: Dog Whisperer Week on National Geographic
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006
"Handsome Jack Morrison" <handsomejackmorri...@gmail.com>
wrote in message news:i222d25gibj3sdv85...@4ax.com...
Well, again, "shit" happens.
It's possible to avoid "shit" from happening altogether,
by never doing anything, but that doesn't help dogs very
much, does it?
But as some folks are wont to say: "Management
always fails."
It'll fail for you one day, too. And I bet it already
has, probably many times, in fact.
The more dogs you try to manage, the more
things you try to do, the more times it'll fail.
Because I've see too much "shit" actually happen,
and know that it's impossible to totally prevent.
"Shit" has happened a number of times just today, at
my place, because someone simply forgot to do what
he was supposed to do. He's done it correctly, oh,
maybe a thousand times now, but today he didn't, and
"shit" happened.
Actually, you should feel pretty good about the fact "
that he actually shows "shit" happening on his show.
--------------
lying frosty dahl wrote:
"My behaviorist friend says, however, that "management
always fails." "my aggression-specialist friend has a maxim:
"management always fails."
--------------------
SEE?
> Perhaps I held the wrong dog.
Perhaps if you had NO PHYSICAL or emotionally INTIMIDATING
involvement your dogs wouldn't be AFRAID of bein "corrected" or
CON-TROLLED?
> I help the passive dog,
You mean DESPITE that it's ALWAYS the MOST AGGRESSIVE
dog who's the MOST AFRAID? Does it make sense to restrict the
LEAST FEARFUL dog when it's ONLY fearful dogs who attack?
> but I have never had one of my dogs come past me to get another.
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
-----------------------
> Also, this is the first aggressive female I have ever had.
That's IRRELEVANT <{}:~ ( >
> Help
You just got it~!
> Brett Stiefel
Lauren wrote:
Everything Jerry does is positive reinforcement. In fact, a
lot of it is completely counter-intuitive (eg, praise the dog
even when he's doing the WRONG thing)... but for some bizarre
reason, it works.... His methods *don't* quite match up with
what Cesar does... but... I figure, if you're willing to give
it a try, the *worst* that could happen would be the dog gets
a lot of extra praise and there's no effect whatsoever :-).
The way Jerry's training works, *any* problem is sorted out
after four iterations of extinguishing the behaviour. He says
*anybody* can do it, *every* time, because if a method doesn't
work 100% of the time, for everybody, it's not a good method.
Here's *my* quick summary of it all....
Basically, Jerry's method is based on a foundation of:
a) Focusing the dog's attention on you (the Hot and Cold exercise)
b) Establishing yourself as pack leader (the Family Pack Leadership
exercise) - Note that he does this by dominating *mentally*, never
by dominating *physically* (no alph rolls, no leash corrections)
c) Praising EVERYTHING the dog does - desired or undesired !!!
This is the weird part !! because you are praising the dog
for *thinking* and *deciding* (even if he decided something
you didn't want him to do). This part is so counter-intuitive,
that a lot of people just won't even try this method of training,
because they "know" it couldn't possibly work.
You *never* show the dog displeasure, raise your tone, emphasize
a word strongly, sigh in disgust, *nothing* negative (a hard habit for
a human being to break), EVER. Everything is completely calm and
matter of fact.
All the dog ever hears is what a good dog he is, and you're
*telling* him what a great dog he is, even when he's doing
the behaviour you DON'T want him to do (!). As I said, this
makes so little sense to human beings that a lot of people
won't even *try* this method of training a dog.
d) You *never* put *any* pressure on, or pull on, the dog's
collar. the lead is *always* kept loose. NO corrections are
done by pulling on the collar (a hard habit for a human being
to break).
e) Every behaviour can be created, or extinguished, with only
four repetitions of the training session (another wildly counter-
intuitive concept).
f) Interrupting and eliminating bad behaviours from the dog's
repertoire is done by using sound distractions to condition
the dog *not* to do certain things (or, rather TO do certain
OTHER things)....
Part (f), the sound distraction part, always consists of an
unvarying sequence of saying the exact same thing, four times
in a row (the only new thing being the insertion of the command
keyword <sit, down, come, whatever>) into the sequence, and with
no tonal emphasis on the words at all... and you say all four
sequences in a row, as if they were one long monotone word...
Two of the verbal iterations are accompanied by a sound <pennies
rattling in a can> and two aren't. It's the timing of the sound
to come at the same time as the keyword, that is critical...
Iteration 1: Doggy-<keyword>-good-boy. (and he may have NO clue
what "<keyword>" means)... immediately followed by: Iteration 2:
Doggy-<keyword> <shake can with pennies on the word "<keyword>"> -
good-boy.... immediately followed by: Iteration 3: Doggy-<keyword>-
good-boy.... immediately followed by:Iteration 4: <toss can with
pennies so that *just* as you say the <keyword>, the can hits the
ground, somewhere on the far side of the dog>: Doggy-<keyword> <can
lands as you say the word "<keyword>"> - good-boy.
So, it's really: Take a deep reath: Doggy-keyword-good-boy-
Doggy-[keyword/NEARBY-SOUND]-good-boy-Doggy-keyword-
good-boy-Doggyy-[keyword/FAR-SOUND]-good-boy,
The important part is that the sound has to come from two different
locations, and it has to occur precisely when the keyword is said.
I, personally, have the most trouble with timing the toss
so that the far-away can lands precisely on the keyword.
Jerry explains how to communicate to the dog what "<keyword>"
means, with your own actions. Initially, the behaviours are
based on the dog's motion (coming, going), and the foundation
that was established in the first two exercises, and then he
focuses on extinguishing undesirable behaviours (barking,
jumping, aggression, slamming against fences, bolting through
doors). Establishing desired behaviours like "sit" and "heel"
takes up a lot of the third file.
I'm warning you right up front that Jerry's method seems
COMPLETELY counter-intuitive. Not just counter-intuitive,
it seems completely stupid, impossible, unlikely, ridiculous,
and even *uncomfortable* (for you, the human being) to do.
You reward the dog when he hasn't seemed to do *anything* yet.
(boy, do you feel stupid! "This can't work!" ... but it does.)
You reward the dog when he's very pointedly doing something you
DON'T want.... (keep that smile on your face, in your tone, and
in your body language! very difficult! "Why am I rewarding him
when he's disobeying or being bad?" Jerry explains why !! )
It's the weirdest thing in the world, and yet it seems to work anyway.
I know you don't have tons of time, and it is, of course better
to read the original author's version than a summary! But, here's
a quick summary of the exercises I'm hoping you'll think are worth
trying...
The "Hot and Cold" exercise:
- Done in four different sessions on the first day.
- Takes about 2-3 minutes. You praise the dog every time he
comes towards you, or even looks at you, even out of the corner
of his eyes. Very shortly, he's hovering close to you and keeping
at least one eye on you. Now he's paying attention.
The "Pack Family Leadership" exericise:
- Done in four different sessions on the first day. The first
session takes about 15 minutes the first time, the second session
that day takes about 12 minutes, 8 minutes for the third session,
6 minutes for the fourth session. You do it in a 60' x 60' foot
square (you'll be using a 20' x 20' section, the rest is for the
dog's 20 foot leash to play out, if he wants to roam).
Ideally each of the four sessions is done in four different physical
locations. Do this weekly for the first month, then monthly as a
"tune up" thereafter. What you do is, preferably the entire family
(although it can be done by just one person) marches very slowly
(one step per second) around the square, stopping at the corners,
talking only to each other, never pulling the dog along with them,
never looking at the dog. If he comes, or looks at the group, he
gets praised. If he looks away, or walks away, he hears nothing.
That's it!
Pretty soon, he's hovering around his "pack", seeking attention.
Now you have the foundation to build on.
You build on the "Pack Family Leadership" exercise, to get a come/
recall, by adding in the four iterations plus sound distractions,
as per Jerry's instructions.
After that, any undesired behaviour is interrupted with brief
variably alternating sound distractions INSTANTLY followed by
prolonged NON PHYSICAL praise (if it takes as many as four),
and praise in advance as per his instructions, and any new
desired behaviour is taught using the four iterations plus
sound distractions, as per Jerry's instructions.
He specifically addresses dogs who bark too much/fling themselves
at windows/throw themselves at the door/etc. and bolting out the
front door, dogs who throw themselves against fences, people-
aggressive dogs, etc., and more.
Well, hope that didn't drown you with information....
Anyway, I hope you get a chance to read through it, and are
willing to give it a try. It takes less time than correcting
the dog over and over for the rest of his life, and it's more
fun all the way around for everybody.
Thanks,
-Lauren
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Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
Date: 15 Oct 2004
Hi, Jerry!
Sorry for the delay in replying, I've been quite busy these days.
You wrote:
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard's methods have been called
> DANGERHOWES by HOWER DOG LOVERS.
"Dangerous"? Why??? What can be so dangerous in
making the dogs obey because they trust you?
> > Thus, I tried Lee's idea of teaching a dog to sit,
> Yeah, that's a fantastic method, ain't it???
Yes, it is. The more I'm thinking of it, the more I see
the similarity between how the dogs and we humans learn:
so much easier and faster, when learning is "fun".
The look in Clyde's eyes when doing the "sit" - I've
seen it before, in human eyes, too: the eyes of the
students in a heated debate about consciousness, for
example, or the eyes of a 6 years old child, when
listening about the evolution of the stars...
> > and the result was quite interesting.
> INDEEDY.
> > It didn't work with Bonnie, because she doesn't care to chase toys
> > anymore (is she too old, for that, at almost 12?
> You don't need to get her to chase, you only need toget her
> ears to perk up, and then you lock her into that state of mind.
Well, as I said in my reply to Lee, the result of
this experiment was, for me, both unexpected
and fascinating to watch.
> > Or is it because she's stressed by too many changes
> > in our furry family, during this last year?).
> That may accHOWENT for HOWE COME she's not playful, dogs get depressed and
> HOWETA sorts just like people when they're STRESSED, but it certainly
> didn't take away her curiHOWESITY.
Yes, you're so right! Bonnie can be very playful, if
only she's in the right environment. Unfortunately,
most of the time she is at home - we live in a big
apartment, but it's no substitute for the open space
that she likes so much. At the seaside, or on a big
lawn, she's happy, running and playing like a carefree
puppy.
At home, Clyde and the kittens don't always make her
life easy. She is so good, she'd never hurt anyone -
when she's had enough of their antics, she just gets
up and walks away, retreating to a different room.
She has been our only dog for more than 10 years, until
Clyde arrived, a year ago. And now she has to share our
love and attention with Clyde and two kittens, too.
They try to play with her as they're playing with Clyde
(who practically adopted them) - but she simply doesn't
always have patience for them.
> The secret is BREVITY. Then lock the dog on that thought.
I tried to do so, by praising enthusiastically at the
slightest sign of interest from her. But it worked only
once. She loses interest quickly. There was a game we
used to play, before Clyde managed to destroy her favorite
toy.
She always followed this pattern, when she became too
excited: she'd run to that toy, grab it, shake it and
bite it to death. She'd take the toy in her mouth, run
with it, jump on the couch, and shake and bite the toy
some more.
> > Clyde, on the other hand, simply LOVED it.
> Of curse.
He is young, full of life, always ready to play. Clyde
is exactly the dog in your example about how the puppy
thinks while chewing the sofa and while his human is
praising him for his bad behavior.
You truly understand a puppy's soul, Jerry. :-)
> > He got the "sit!" from the very first try, his eyes glued to the toy,
> > waiting patiently until I throw it and he can chase and "kill" it.
> THAT'S what Lee calls "IN DRIVE."
Yes.
> The DOG LOVERS got no idea what Lee's talkin abHOWET. They think the dog
> goin HOWETA CON-TROLL means "drive."
Perhaps they should meet Clyde. :-)
He conveys the feeling of concentrated, enormous energy
packed in muscles and fur, ready to take off at the right
moment, not a millisecond before. It's an awesome sight.
> > No, "patiently", is not the right word:
> RIGHT. She's in a calm alert state. TRIGGERED.
THAT'S the word I was looking for!
> > it's more like a cat's patience when watching a bird, like a tightly
> > wound spring.
> AND THAT'S HOWE COME Lee gets 100% TOTAL NON-PHYSICAL
> CON-TROL using PRAY DRIVE.
Like a teacher with human students hanging mesmerized on his words.
> The EXXXPERTS think that's INSANE on accHOWENT of they
> think PRAY DRIVE means HOWETA CON-TROLL, as elegy was just sayin abHOWET
> her dog that "GETS ALONG TOGETHER" with the kat that nearly scratched her
> eyes HOWET.
Yet weren't the wild ancestors of the dog at their
wolfish best when in drive, hunting? Wasn't THEN
that their energy was under PERFECT control, in
total coordination with the pack? "Out of control"
would have defeated their purpose, IMO.
> > I suppose that my puppies must have read Jerry's manual, because the
> > sound distraction and praise always work, with both of them. Always.
> There ain't no way it can fail if you follow the INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE
> copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
> Manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com
> Have you seen HOWER DOG LOVERS try to tell new posters the FREE WWW Wits'
> End Dog Training Method Manual is FOR SALE?
Yes, and it never ceased to amaze me. All it takes for
one to see that it's a baseless accusation, is to go
to your site and download the manual - at no point is
there any request for money.
If everything that we have to buy were "for sale"
just like your manual, I'd be rich by now. :-)
> ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN started THAT and it's kind STUCK when DOG LOVERS
> get EMBARRASSED for HURTIN and INTIMIDATING and MURDERIN dogs and
> LYING abHOWET it.
Because you're telling people things they don't like
to hear. Instead of stopping and trying to think that
MAYBE what they're doing is wrong, even cruel, they
prefer to believe that you're crazy, a bad guy, someone
far worse than they are.
But these are nice people, Jerry. They really love their
dogs. Just like the overwhelming majority of the parents
love their kids. Which doesn't prevent them, at times,
to hurt their children, "for their own good".
And sometimes, as a result of their best efforts,
theirlove is lethal to the kids.
> > Clyde liked to chew holes into blankets
> That SHOWENDS like insecurity or anxiHOWESNESS.
> > (which he also used to hump),
> Humpin is a SYMPTOM of anxiHOWESNESS.
He used to do it mostly when I petted Bonnie. He was
extremely jealous, I wasn't allowed to show love to
anyone but him. But he's improving, all the time.
Now, he lets me hold the kittens, to pet Bonnie etc.
Telling him always that he is a good boy seemed to
relieve his anxiousness quite a lot.
> Did you read the thread on humpin a few weeks ago? ALL HOWER DOG LOVER'S
> DOGS "HUMP".
Yes, I remember that, too. My dogs stopped humping,
both of them - praising works wonders, indeed.
> PARTICULARLY professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S little dog
> Maxie The Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
> Masturbator.
Poor doggie!
> > and sound distraction followed instantly by lots of praise
> > put an end to both blanket chewing and humping.
> And all other anxiHOWESNESS or OCD behaviors NEARLY INSTANTLY. BUT you
> GOTTA follow the method PRECISELY.
> That's always been a BHOWEN of CONtensiHOWEN amongst HOWER dog lovers.
> They don't WANT to FOLLOW THE METHOD
> PRECISELY on accHOWENT of it LIMITS their TOOLS and
> PREFERENCES of ABUSE.
OK, I can somewhat understand that, when it's about an
already trained dog. But what about a new puppy? Why not
give your method a chance? Just to find out if it really
works in training of more complex skills than those that
are enough for us, ordinary people who have dogs only as
companions?
Isn't anyone around here curious enough to do
this (IMO) harmless experiment?
> > Bonnie barks at anything that walks either outside our apartment's door,
> > or in front of the house. "Good girl, Bonnie, let's see what's going
> > on", followed by me checking the door or the window and telling her that
> > "it's all right, just good people or good dogs passing by" makes the
> > barking stop EVERY time.
> Of curse. NHOWE that she's familiar with the routine you can forgoe
> lookin, if you think you don't NEED to look. Just follow the same method
> but don't get up to look. She'll believe you NHOWE.
Thanks, I'll try it.
> > That is, every time except when guests are coming to us. I haven't
> > figured out yet how to make her accept the fact that it takes some time
> > since the moment she hears the car door closing and until people arrive
> > at our apartment's front door, on the 3rd floor of the building.
> Hmmm. PROBLEMO!
> HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> You might have to ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard for THAT.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's ideas are always welcome. :-)
Everything you say about dogs is in complete agreement
with what I've learned from my own puppies. They do have
different personalities, but their reactions are exactly
as you describe in your manual and in your posts.
Sound distraction and praise works, to some degree,
even with my two completely crazy kittens. :-)
I like the basic idea that your method is built on, and
I do trust your amazing understanding of how dogs' minds
work, an understanding based (IMO) not only on careful
observation, but also on love and empathy.
For years I have been reluctant to have Bonnie trained
by a professional trainer, because somehow I was afraid,
can't even tell exactly of what - I didn't want anything
being forced on her, I didn't want her corrected for not
performing as she was expected to perform... She has never
had a behavior problem, and I could live with the fact
that she lacked the obedience training, because she
instinctively always did the right thing, she was well
adjusted to living with us.
I always thought that my dog was perfect the way she
was, she didn't need any improvements. When people
asked me what breed she was, I used to say that she
was a Canis Lupus Sapiens. :-)
Clyde, on the other hand, did need training, badly.
He was just a 6 weeks old puppy when I found him - very
sweet, very friendly and clever, but also completely wild
and "uncivilized". He still needs to learn a lot, but he's
light years from the little devil he once was, and this is
entirely thanks to your method - and that, in spite of my
many mistakes.
This is a dog who CAN'T be punished, because he is too
sensitive, too intelligent and too strong to take any
kind of abuse - the slightest punishment would drive
him crazy, big way. And I'm sure that, unlike Bonnie
(who is the gentlest living being in the world), he
WOULD bite.
And his bite would be a serious thing, and that would
probably be the end of him. Thanks to your method, his
basic goodness - his friendly disposition towards every
living thing - has prevailed.
When I walk my dogs, his enthusiastic displays of love
often make strangers to stop and pat him; the vet loves
him; the neighbors love him; my kittens follow him
everywhere and they like to sleep huddled next to him;
in spite of the fact that he has never attended puppy classes
and the only socialization with other dogs was probably during
his first 6 weeks of life, all the dogs we meet are very glad
to play with him. Males and females alike, older dogs or puppies.
Needless to say, I suppose, that I'm crazy about this dog, too. :-)
> S-HOWENDS like she's EXXXCITED to have her visitors come up.
Exactly. Especially when my sister-in-law or my nieces
come to visit. Bonnie loves them very much, and she acts
as if she is afraid they might go away if I don't open
the door quickly enough. I tried to open the door the
moment she started to bark, to show her that there was
no one there yet, but it didn't help. I think she is
also afraid that people won't notice her if she doesn't
bark, because Clyde always gets in the way when one wants
to pat Bonnie. She is much smaller than he is, and she is
very frustrated, as a result.
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard would break that by sayin "Where's
> my pants?" and go off searchin for them and ask the dog to heelp
> find them.
Thanks for the idea, I'll try it next time and let you
know how it worked. :-)
> Or, you could ask her if she'd like to go back to work and return to heel
> and sit while they company comes up, but that could cause her some
> anxiHOWESNESS, especially if she's ever been "CORRECTED" for not sittin.
No, she has never been "corrected", but she doesn't
sit on command, either. She does what she wants to
do, and - since she doesn't do anything bad (except
barking, and that only until the guests pat her and
greet her - "Hey, what about ME? When are you going
to say 'Hello' to ME? I'm so glad to see you, hey,
look here! Over here! Here I am, do you see ME?" -
that's what her barking seems to say), she always
gets her way.
> You could continue with distraction and praise AFTER
> you tell her to expect company.
It's what I'm doing. It usually goes like, "Yes, Bonnie,
good girl, it's them all right. Just that they can't fly,
it takes a few minutes till they arrive. You're a GOOD girl,
Bonnie, what a GOOD girl you are!"
She also barks like that when we prepare to go out.
The longer the preparations, the more excited the
barking. As if she knows that longer preparations
mean a longer trip. :-) I used to scold her, in the
past, and tell her to stop barking - so perhaps now
it would take some time, first she has to get used
that it's OK to bark when someone passes by, that
I take her warning seriously and I do something about
it; perhaps then she'll learn that there's no need to
bark so much in the other circumstances, too, and she
can wait patiently until the visitors arrive at our
door, or we are ready to go out.
> She may do some other inapupriate behavor as an EXXXTINCTION
> burst till she gets over the urge to bark.
> You see, THAT'S what an EXXXTINCTION burst is, not what leah and the
> EXXXPERTS sez, that the BEHAVIOR gets worse before
> it gets better. THAT'S FRUSTRATION, not EXXXTINCTION... IOW,
> you could anticipate she'll jump on the C-HOWECH or somethin as you break
> the EXXXCITEMENT barkin, maybe even relieve herself
> on the floor.
Thanks for telling me, I didn't know about that.
She can jump on the couch all she wants, she is
allowed to, and she knows it. :-)
About relieving herself, it's good to know that this
could happen, because otherwise it would have alarmed
me - Bonnie isn't the kind of dog who has "accidents",
and I'd have been extremely worried and suspected a
health problem if one suddenly happened.
> If some undesirable behavior DOES happen PRAIS IT, then distract and
> praise any further repetitions of THAT behavior and allHOWE any other
> behavior to replace it till EXXXTINCTION.
I'll do that.
> That's a different story than what's generally called EXXXTINCTION
> bursts. But the DOG LOVERS here won't BELIEVE that, on accHOWENT
> of all they KNOW is FRUSTRATION behaviors.
I see.
> > A word about aggression: when we moved into this apartment, one of the
> > neighbors had a little female dog that took an instant dislike of
> > Bonnie, and Bonnie of her.
> Ooops!
> That usually takes a couple minutes to CURE.
Indeed, that's how it was. I couldn't believe my eyes.
> > They barked at each other like mad, baring their teeth in a most
> > menacing way.
> Good. ANY behavior that's CONSISTENT PREDICTABLE and REPEATABLE is EZ to
> EXXXTINGUISH NEARLY INSTANTLY. Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, he'll
> tell you The Amazing Puppy Wizard is ALWAYS right. Won't you, professor?
> > It was quite unpleasant,
> And dangerHOWES. SCARY, to boot.
I had never let the two dogs come close to each other, while they
acted aggressively to each other. But it wasn't good to see them
acting like that, anyway.
> > because they bumped into each other quite often, when I was taking
> > Bonnie out for her walks.
> That'll reinforce the fear aggression. THAT'S HOWE COME
> we don't AVOID behavior problems that SCARE us.
Yes, it makes sense. Indeed, each time they met,
the mutual hate seemed to escalate.
> > Until one day when I tried praising both dogs, petting the other dog and
> > Bonnie, telling each of them what a good girl she was, and what a good
> > girl the other dog was, too.
> "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you
> will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
> and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys."
> Chief Dan George
I can't tell you how much I've learned from my dogs -
they have been two great Teachers, for me.
I'm still learning.
> "(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars
> here who are either ill- tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain
> ill.)," --Marshall
I never use a killfile. :-)
I can reply in a nasty way, sometimes, to a post I particularly
dislike; but, in general, I'm interested in opinions different from
mine, even from people who aren't very nice to me. Besides, I find it
fascinating to watch the human animal in all its manifestations. :-)
> > This peace making effort worked, and the two girls changed their
> > behavior completely, almost instantly -
> JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ in your FREE copy of The Amazing
> Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
Yes. I had the confirmation in advance that the method worked,
because I had applied it myself in this particular instance,
instinctively and without even being aware of it.
> > proving that peace in the Middle East is possible,
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard plans to run for President Of These United States
> in 20 years.
Great idea, but why wait so long? Couldn't you try
to run sooner, please?
> > though not among humans.
> Leave THAT, to The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{) ; ~ ) >
The Amazing Puppy Wizard seems to be our only hope. :-)
> > Now, if I think of it, it's this kind of experience that perhaps made me
> > find Jerry's gentle method of training not only the most palatable, but
> > also one that is entirely logical and rational.
> As REPORTED by a lotta EXXXCELLENT FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
> Manual Students all over the Whole
> Wild World. HOWER DOG LOVERS CALL THEM LIARS and
> their posts FORGERIES. You'll SEE.
Yes, I've noticed that.
> > And I think that it's extremely generous of him to
> > make his manual available to all of us,
> The PLEASURE is all HIS.
> Marilyn offered HOWER dog lovers a FREE copy of her book and they MOCKED
> her for her generHOWES offer.
> > for free,
> INEEDY. NoWON even said "THANKS, but we got
> too much readin anyHOWE, Marilyn."
Often people don't seem to appreciate a gift; they are
suspicious that it's either a gimmick to make them pay
more than they'd like to, in the end, or - if the offer
is genuine - they assume it must be worthless.
A friend of mine says that we humans are insane as a
species, and sometimes I tend to believe he is quite
right.
> > and also to spend his time teaching us how to train our dogs, for the
> > benefit of both our dogs and of ourselves, the humans who love them.
> Thank YOU. The Amazing Puppy Wizard COULDN'T DO IT withHOWET YOU.
It's very gracious of you to say that, Jerry.
I've recommended your training method to everyone I know.
Some people are reluctant to believe that it's possible
to teach without punishing, though. All I ask them, is to
just TRY it and see for themselves.
I wish you all the best, Jerry, and my two dogs (and the
kittens) - whose lives have become calmer and much better,
thanks to you - join me in sending our love and gratitude.
Lucy
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SEE?
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Brett Stiefel` <stie...@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:57:00 -0600
Subject: Help destructo dog
Hi,
Help if you can. I have a dog. He is a great little pet in many
ways, but he is out of control. I have tried all I know and understand.
I have tried negative reinforcement, positive reinforcement, physical
punishment, anything I can think of or read about but I am getting
nowhere. He is learning to stay, come, off, walk on a leash, but he
chews up everything in sight, the Christmas lights, the Christmas
bulbs?!, my girls dolls, everything. I like him but I am near sending
him away. Only once before in nearly thirty years of pets have I
completly failed with a pet. He is nearning 11 months and is not
improving so I can't blame it only on puppy hood. If anything he is
worse. Help!!! I don't want to get rid of my dog but enough is enough.
Brett
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"John Smith" <j...@jd.net> wrote in message
news:ki%Em.76048$lR3....@newsfe25.iad...
> Hi,
> I have two strays we took in. One literally attacks the other. I don't
> want to get rid of either. Actually, I have three, but the third is no
> problem. Oddly he was first in the house and has no problems sharing with
> either. He likes other animals. Hates people but that is another story.
> The second dog is the problem. The third does not attack her. He avoids
> her. I have tried introducing them as I have with dogs in the past. I have
> never had trouble before. I have had dogs all my life. I have never had an
> animal that just could not be controlled around other animals before. She
> literally came past me to attack the other dog and when I pulled her off
> lifted him by the scruff of the neck. I had to strike her to get her to
> let go, or perhaps pry her jaws. It is a bit of a blur. I have never had
> this sort of problem before. Even with the dog that does not like people,
> if I keep him beside me for a half hour or so while I talk with the person
> he will accept them. He will not leave my control to attack them. He will
> attack if I just let him run and don't properly introduce him to new
> people. I have tried the same type tactics with the dogs and it is not
> working. Perhaps I held the wrong dog. I help the passive dog, but I have
> never had one of my dogs come past me to get another. Also, this is the
> first aggressive female I have ever had.
>
> Help
>
> Brett Stiefel
>
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Brett Stiefel" <stie...@ix.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002
Subject: behavior problem
HI,
I need help. My dog is having a behavior problem. I can see some of what
it is and why. I have no idea how to help him and he can get us both in real
trouble. He seems fine when I am around. He does not listen to my wife very
well and if a man other than me comes over when I am away he goes nuts. A
repair man would not listen to my wife and insisted on petting the dog and
nearly lost a hand. He ran past her and bit a neighbor. No damage done
except good will. Thank God, but good will is bad enough to lose. Last night
a baby sitter came over, someone we know from church and the first
babysitter we have had. I wanted to put the dog in the kennel. I should have
put my foot down. My wife wanted to introduce the dog and leave him as
protection. This is part of the problem, she sees him as protection, but
Buster is not trained. He knows stop and come but he is not a trained watch
dog. He seemed fine at first. When we called to check up on the kids, we
found out that he nearly bit the baby sitter and my older daughter had to
put him out. They say they were just talking in the floor and all of a
sudden he started to growl at the babysitter and start to bite her. I don't
know what to do. I don't much like the idea of hitting a dog, and I don't
think it would do much after the fact anyway.
Brett
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Brett Stiefel" <stie...@ix.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002
Subject: Re: behavior problem
I don't know that I have the money for a behaviorist. Can you suggest any
action that I can take. To clarify more, he is not agressive with the kids
or my wife. In fact just the opposite. He is quite protective. My wife is
quite ill and I think he senses this. The most agressive he is to them is to
snap it they supprise him when he is eating. I am the same way. He obeys my
commands and my older daugter's commands. She is the one who put him out
when the babysitter was there. She is only seven and handles him well. He
shows no fear, is quite authorative and uses the same commands I do. Also,
is not agressive except on his own turf or when someone gets in his face. If
you are at a distance, not on his property, he is fine. I do have friends
and family over without a problem. As long as I am there he will play with
my friends and dad. I left and he gave dad trouble. Dad had no trouble
handeling him. He is a small do only 45 pounds or so. Dad used to raise
sheep dogs and mastifs, but he is not a 16 year old female babysitter. The
neighbor did not get hurt. He just brushed Buster off. Is there anything I
can do myself that will be helpful.
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pet.dogs,
alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.rescue
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002
Subject: "Today Seemed Like A Miracle - I Was Afraid I Would Have To Kill
Him If He Bit Someone Even Though I Loved Him So Much," Linda - Re: behavior
problem
HOWEDY Brett,
"Brett Stiefel" <stie...@ix.com> wrote in message
news:usvcuvt...@corp.supernews.com...
> HI, I need help.
You got it!
> My dog is having a behavior problem.
Our dog lovin "EXPERTS" here can't help you. They hurt
and kill dogs like you got...
> I can see some of what it is and why.
Don't be so fast. If you're depending on any of the typical
behaviorISM crap your pet professionals have parroted,
you're PROBABLY mistaken all around...
> I have no idea how to help him
Nor do our "experts" here... They HURT and KILL dogs like you got.
> and he can get us both in real trouble.
FORGET ABOUT IT. If you're worried and scared you'll NEVER
be able to handle and train this dog as you'll NEED TO in order
to CURE the behavior problems almost INSTANTLY as all my
100% nearly instantly successful FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual students REPORT RIGHT HERE, you know, the
ones our EXPERTS call LIARS and PAID SHILLS for Jerry and
FORGERIES made by me.
> He seems fine when I am around.
That's NORMAL.
> He does not listen to my wife very well
That's on account of YOU are his CONTROLLER.
> and if a man other than me comes over when I am away he goes nuts.
That's NORMAL. You've TAUGHT the dog to be like that
because of the inappropriate and ineffective handling and
training methods you've been TAUGHT by your pet professionals.
> A repair man would not listen to my wife and insisted on petting the dog
> and nearly lost a hand.
EZ come, EZ go. He's an adult and was told to let the dog alone.
> He ran past her and bit a neighbor.
That's EZ to fix. Takes my students less than one hour to
get 100% TOTAL, off lead, NON PHYSICAL, control of their dogs.
> No damage done except good will.
That's not HOWE Your Puppy Wizard sees it. Your Puppy
Wizard is NOT tolerant of abusing friends, neighbor's, and
innocent passersby or visitors, with our dog's aggression
or exuberant playfulness.
> Thank God,
Your Puppy Wizard Thanks NOBODY except HIS students
for their dilligence.
> but good will is bad enough to lose.
Your Puppy Wizard is only interested in RIGHT and WRONG,
not the warm fuzzies that excuse, legitimize, and cause our
dog and family behavior problems.
Your Puppy Wizard is as HOT as the sun and as cold as ice
and as soft as a marshmallow and as hard as Titanium. There
is NOTHING Your Puppy Wizard is not thoroughly prepared to
deal with DIRECTLY and INSTANTANEOUSLY to effect the
changes that are NECESSARY to provide for the SECURITY
of his HOWES and family and those of HIS dedicated students.
> Last night a baby sitter came over, someone we know from church and the
> first babysitter we have had. I wanted to put the dog in the kennel.
Hindsight is always 20/20. But avoiding the problem by puttin
the dog outside isn't addressing the problem. This is EZ. I'll
teach you HOWE to handle control and train your pup
EFFORTLESSLY, FAST, and FREE.
Our dog lovers OTOH, will advise you Your Puppy Wizard is
a LIAR and a FRAUD, and the INCREDIBLE results reported
by HIS 100% nearly instantly successful FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual students are LIARS, PAID SHILLS for
Jerry, and FORGERIES made by me to sell a fraudulent product
which has NO BEARING on this behavior problem SOLUTION.
Yeah Brett, YourPuppy Wizard's got a MACHINE that
AUTOMAGICKALLY CURES aggression, fear, and
anxiety behaviors in ALL animals. Our DOG LOVERS
would PREFER to HURT, CONFRONT, CONFINE,
PUNISH, and KILL the dogs they can't INTIMIDATE
enough to "RESPECT THEIR AUTHORITY."
> I should have put my foot down.
If you follow the advice of our "EXPERTS," the only thing you'll
be puttin down is YOUR DOG. Our EXPERTS KILL DOGS LIKE
YOU GOT!!!
> My wife wanted to introduce the dog and leave him as protection.
That's EZ. But it'll take a few minutes of TRAINING, first.
> This is part of the problem,
Not noMOORE, noHOWE. Your Puppy Wizard is on the case.
This is EZ to fix, FAST, and FOR FREE.
> she sees him as protection,
Your Puppy Wizard has FORTY YEARS EXPERIENCE specializing
in temperament and protection training mostly in giant breed and
working dogs...
> but Buster is not trained.
NO PROBLEMO. Your Puppy Wizard TEACHES HIS student's
to train ALL animal behaviors in a few minutes over a couple of
days, MAYBE LESS... for FREE.
Our "EXPERTS" call Your Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% nearly
instantly successful FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual students LIARS, Brett.
Our "EXPERTS" are OUTTA BUSINESS, Brett. They can ONLY
tell you to hurt, confront, intimidate, confine, punish, and KILL
your dog, Brett.
> He knows stop and come
Your Puppy Wizard takes EXCEPTION to that statement, Brett.
Your Puppy Wizard INSISTS on a 100% reliable INSTANT come
command. That takes Your Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual students ONE HOUR, maybe LESS
to train.
Our "EXPERTS" call THEM, LIARS and PAID SHILLS and
accuse Your Puppy Wizard of FORGERY.
> but he is not a trained watch dog.
Well, he WILL BE, in about a week if you follow the
INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual.
> He seemed fine at first.
Right. UNTIL his CONTROLER left...
> When we called to check up on the kids, we found out that he nearly bit
> the baby sitter and my older daughter had to put him out.
That's on account of YOU were not there to CONTROL him.
Without "a strong authority" IN CHARGE, the dog will take
the position of "alpha."
THAT'S HOWE COME our "experts" cannot train a
dog to behave when they're NOT THERE to HURT,
CONFRONT, INTIMIDATE, and PUNISH their dogs.
And THAT'S HOWE COME our "EXPERTS" KILL THEIR
BEST DOGS.
> They say they were just talking in the floor and all of a sudden he
> started to growl at the babysitter and start to bite her.
But that would NEVER happen if YOU were there. The Mrs.
may not be able to CONTROL the dog, ONLY YOU, the
controller, are able to HANDLE this dog safely, because
he fears you.
THAT IS THE ETIOLOGY OF THE PROBLEM, Brett.
> I don't know what to do.
NOR DO OUR "EXPERTS." That's HOWE COME they
LIE, HURT, and KILL OUR BEST DOGS.
> I don't much like the idea of hitting a dog, and I don't think it would do
> much after the fact anyway.
Right. We can NEVER FORCE CONTROL, or the dog
will be OUT OF CONTROL when HIS CONTROLLER is
not there to INTIMIDATE and FORCE control, or AVOID
the circumstances they cannot TRAIN, because they're
INCOMPETENT LYIN DOG ABUSING THUG COWARDS.
> Brett
Here's the deal, Brett. Our "experts" are gonna lie, mislead
and distract you with their BULLSHIT. I've sent you your
FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual. STUDY your FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Traiing Method manual. Ask Your Puppy Wizard
for extra FREE HELP if you need it.
DO NOT continue discussions with our liars and dog
abusers, because TIME is RUNNING OUT for you.
Your Puppy Wizard will ONLY be available to HELP
you THIS WEEK. You've got CARTE BLANCE on
Your Puppy Wizard's time, THIS WEEK ONLY.
By next Monday, your dog WILL BE thouroughly TRAINED,
or you will be UNACCEPTABLE as a FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method student...
The CHOICE is YOURS, Brett. PRAY for guidance.
Your Puppy Wizard reveres a dedicated student.
Your Puppy Wizard. <YPW;~:}
Here's a CRIPPLE with a MOORE aggressive dog
than yours, who retrained him in less than a week:
"I Was Afraid I Would Have To Kill Him If He Bit
Someone Even Though I Loved Him So Much.," Linda
--------Original Post-----------
From: Linda
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Will try it today and post how well this system works.
We went to a dog class that I had enrolled in for
resocialization--getting him to not lunge and try to
attack every dog he sees, we were at the third class
and I forgot the Halti but he was relaxed and had no
problem with any of the seven dogs-
-in the past he would shake and after a little while
turn away from the dogs and look at the wall. Saturday
he wanted to play with the dogs--he actually pulled
toward the dogs- kinda jumped around like he use to do
before he became aggressive- when he got close to another
dog.
Teacher was impressed with him but thought it was from
her class--I didn't tell her anything different-she had
tried but it sure was not working.
Today on our walk a dog went by and he alerted but did
not move toward the dog and when I called him he actually
came with his tail wagging and forget about the dog.
I have told everyone I see about your dog training-
-all my friends and neighbors know I have been so worried
and frustrated with Sunshine's behavior-infact some would
turn around and go the other way so as not to get close to us.
If people knew how easy it could be to get a dog to come
and listen to you there would be a lot less dogs in shelters.
I know I didn't know what to do and was afraid I would have
to kill him if he bite someone even though I loved him so much.
Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
Sunshine is still acting like a new dog!
Saw a dog today and "good boy-" worked along with calling him-
came the first time every time. Not even a sound out of him.
Think it is hard for him but he never even seemed to think
about going off-reacting.
The word come has no affect on him just the phrase--Sunshine
come goodboy.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:17 PM
To:
Subject: Re: dog aggression - Today Seemed Like A Miracle -
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression
HOWEDY _,
> I am not sure what happened but after two days Sunshine walked with me not
> sniffing, pulling or going his own way. In two and a half years he has
> never walked without his nose to the ground- -today he walked closer too
> the cart than ever before and turned to look at me every few minutes-
> -in past with treats and pleading he only looked toward me when I had a
> treat in my hand.
> It is hard to believe he has really changed so quickly.
> Now I have several questions--After one time with throwing the can he has
> always come on the first call- -do I need to try to set him up to not come
> so we can do four times in different places?
Yup. You've got to generalize the come command to make
it 100% reliable. MISTAKES ARE GOOD. You want him to
make a few mistakes so we can get the sound associated
with the command.
> I have not tried to call him off leash outside as that is the time he is
> does not come.
O.K. You know to do the HOT & Cold and Family Leadership
Exercises and you'll have a perfect come command in a couple
fifteen minute sessions.
> On the leash he came on the first call today even when he was starting to
> explore the leaves ect.
Excellent. We discussed his penchant for eating leaves and
dirt off the ground.
> He walked past several people today with hardly a second
glance-
We also discussed that he was rather aggressive, and you
were becoming very concerned about being able to keep him.
> he did see a cat about 10 feet away and when I called him the first time
> he did not respond but when I used the can he ran over to me and seemed to
> forget about the cat.
PERFECT. Next time you'll probably not need the sound.
Just remember to vary the origin of the sound each time,
day in to day out, the sequence never breaks.
> Now what do I do when he sees another dog?
You'll tell him GOOD BOY and prepare to make the sound
and prais if he continues looking, and if that fails, you'll
ask him to come, keeping in mind the sequence of the
commands with sound and the distract/praise techniques.
You'll get used to thinking that fast in a couple more days,
no problem.
> Although the calling him the four times seems easy it was very hard-
Yes, it takes a bit of a knack to get it just right, but if you
fail, not to worry, you'll be able to get it right the next
time. We don't lose points for "do overs" as long as we get the
pup under control fast and EZ. That's HOWE COME that
dependble come command is so necessary.
> -I had a friend which was good since I had a lot of trouble calling the
> right way and using the can at the same time.
Yes, I recommended you may want a friend to help because
of your disability.
> I found out I had been calling him many times each time I called him to
> come.
Right. Should be about a second between requests and
the sounds on the second and fourth commands and move
off into the FPLX if that fails, and continue the technique.
EZ, huh???
> I am still working on the leash it is really hard when you are not
> standing upright as the leash can not be as loose since it drags on the
> ground-
Yeah, I don't know if you're able, but do try to handle the
lead exactly as instructed. It'll feel uncomfortable for a
few days, but we don't want that lead tangling and accidentally
pullin on him.
>-I am so worried without the leash around my hand
Psst! If you've got fair strength in your hands, let me
do the worrying for you... O.K.?
> but I am not sure if it was the leash,
Well, you know I told you it was the overcontrol of
the lead that triggers positive thigmotaxis, the opposition
reflex.
> telling him good boy everytime he looked at me
That ALWAYS works. All my Mrs. got to do is tell me
good boy and I'll do anything she asks. Hey? I think
I just figgered out HOWE COME she always gets
her way with me...
> or the cans,
Any sound will suffice, even an extraneous and coincidentally
but well timed sound will work, maybe even BETTER.
> but today seemed like a miracle.
WELCOME TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING!
> I told a friend about this approach and they thought you were on "Today"
> this spring--was it you?
Naaah. There's nobody that has such fast EZ safe gentle
methods. I'll be on TV soon enough with my Doggy Do Right
(And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two
Did Too) machine.
But that's just gonna give me the floor to discuss the state of
the art of the animal behavior industry.
Would you do me a favor? If you're on the internet, I'd sure
appreciate it if you'd repost this to the groups, a lot of people
are saying terrible things about me and tellin folks reports
like yours, are FORGERIES by ME.
Thank you for being a good student.
Yours, Jerry.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:24 PM
To:
Subject: Re: dog aggression
Dog training isn't LUCK. You'll do perfect or I'll get the heel
outta this business... Yours, Jerry.
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: dog aggression
Will let you know how it goes!!!--thanks for the encourgement
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:35 AM
To:
Subject: Re: dog aggression
From:
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: dog aggression
HOWEDY _,
> I got your message tonight and have printed your manual--will start
> tomorrow--
Excellent.
> I am truly at my wits end!!!
Me too, but not with your problem. This one's EZ!
> Today he bite me twice breaking the skin when he was in a "rage" .
He's gonna be EZ. He's not even thinking about you when he
bites. He's just overexcited trying to PROTECT you. That'll
diminish immediately through simply handling the lead properly,
gettin the control and attention through the praise conditioning,
and distract/praising his aggressive thoughts before he gets
out of control.
EZ stuff.
> Once when he saw another dog-ran toward the dog
Sound/praise and repeat as necessary. Just remember
to always vary the direction the sound comes from. You
might need a helper to produce the alternate sounds in
time.
> and pulled me down-
In a couple days that'll cause him to come back to you.
> -since I do not walk or move very well, falling down is a major problem as
> I can not get up without much help.
He'll straighten out in a couple days of EZ work.
> He bite me when my hand went close to his mouth while I was falling.
Yes, but he wasn't conscious of YOU, he's in a fury protecting you.
> The second time was when we were going down the street- -I use an
> electric cart
Excellent. You'll be abe to handle him EZ like that.
> and a man walked toward us and He saw him before I did
That would complicate and slow things down.
> and took off-
In a couple days you'll have the control to stop him after
he's started.
> -lunging barking and snapping again I got my hand within reach of his
> mouth and he bite me-
That was predictable!
> -he bites what every is close.
At least he's consistent. That's GOOD!
> When he is not in a rage he will let me doing anything-
Of course. He sounds PERFECT. This is the kind of
dog I'd go out of my way to get for myself...
> -take is food away, touch him anywhere, or do anything to him-
Perfect.
> -and he will never even raise his lip but when he goes off he is in
> another world.
Yeah, kinda like me...
> You are my last hope-
You're gonna be EZ.
> -he works to help me at home--he picks up anything on the floor,closes
> doors, picks up the daily paper and will stand to brace me when I stand up
> on my bad days.
He sounds like a great dog!
> He waits for me to go out the door first and will wait until I call him to
> come in and close the door.
He'll learn the same manners when in pubic.
> He really helps me everyday and if I didn't have him life would much
> harder.
We'll fix him up in a couple days of EZ work.
> But I know if we can not solve the "rage" problem
Pssst! It's already in the bag...
> he will bite someone other than me and will have to be killed.
Not to worry, that'll be past history in a couple days.
> Your method seems so simple
It is. Just follow the techniques and ask me if you
need any help. I've got all kinds of fast EZ solutions
for any problem you could encounter.
> after all we have tried it does not seem possible to change his behavior
> easily-
Everything you've tried has relied on bribes force
and confrontation.
> -but I will start trying tomorrow.
And instead of trying to force him to stay in control,
you'll PRAISE his first aggressive thought and he'll
move in close to YOU to protect you, not charge at
others. He'll learn FAST that you want the aggression
and he'll want to use it BEST for YOU, so he'll do
EVERY THING you ask the first time.
I'd LOVE to have a hundred dogs just like him today.
> I use a Halti so he does not pull me over-usually!
Right, but here again, you're relying on some degree
of force to control him. That will ALWAYS trigger
the OPPOSITE of what we want, telling him to be
aggressive, not to pay attention to you and your safety.
Once he sees THAT, you're gonna need a shoe horn
to PRY him AWAY from you.
In fact, when you WANT him to attack someone all you'll
have to do is let him see someone and gently pull back
on his collar without sayin nuthin, and that'll set him off...
> but have never used punishment, choke collar or any other "corrections"
Good, that'll make it REAL EZ to teach him my methods.
> I taught him all his tricks and tasks with a clicker and food.
Fine. We'll forget the treats and use the click differently
for our puporses.
> Thanks for your help in advance-
CONGRATULATIONS in advance...
> -I pray your method will be our salvation!!!
No need to. It's already DONE.
> _
Do me a favor? If you could keep a record of our
discussions and your work with your pup, and
send it in to the news groups I participate in, it'd
be a great benefit and inspiration for others in the
same or similar situations.
Welcome to Wits' End Dog Training.
Yours, Jerry.
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"Lee DeRaud" <lee.der...@boeing.com> wrote in message
news:ot3gsuoemd7ahu1oh...@4ax.com...
> On 5 Nov 2002 09:01:26 -0800, llindaleedan...@msn.com (Linda)
wrote:
> > I wish everyone who has a dog could know how well the Wits' End
> > DogTraining works so dogs would not lose there homes because of
> > behavioral problems and not be subjected to torture in the name of
> > training.
> Honey, sit back and relax, you don't need to do a thing, the good people
> on this group will do *everything* in their power to help get the Word
> out. Just unplug your computer and take a nap with your dog, we've got
> your back.
> Oh, BTW, you mis-spelled "HOWE".
> Lee
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone proclaiming a method
> > > > > that works on all dogs, all the time, would send up "red flag" to
> > > > > you and others, but the fact remains, if a technique *doesn't*
> > > > > work 100% of the time, with all dogs, then there must be a flaw in
> > > > > the philosophy underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method is involved -
> > > > that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the method, though
> > > anyone is welcome to make that leap. I said there was a flaw in the
> > > underlying philosophy and its model of learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using terminology
> > differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order to be able to
> terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than the
methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's
last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got
to spend a night at Sam's house. There is no question but that
you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom
knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping
doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial)
psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who
in Science and Technology
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From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent�,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts �to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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"The day may come when the rest of
the animal creation
may acquire those right
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"A Cheerful Heart Is Good Medicine, But
A Crushed Spirit Dries Up The Bones,"
Proverbs 17:22
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training
Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
I tell them they are good dogs and they
seem to follow me, onceI told them they
were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.
A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
The Same Rule Applies
To Every Aspect Of
The Relationship With Your Dog.
Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
if They Were Everyone Would Have
Obedient Dogs.
I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
"Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
Obligation To Obey Your Request.
Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
Positive Interaction.
Paul
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ANY QUESTIONS, People?
"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.
All Truth Passes Through Three Stages.
First, It Is Ridiculed.
Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer-
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their
hearts and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
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Orlando, FL 32805
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