doberman vs. rottweiler
Harry
had a wonderful experience with a doberman when growing up but now that I
can own a dog again my wife prefers a rottweiler. I just don't want a dog
that's going to be a public hazard and a pain around the house.
A.James Gambrini
intimidating. Way back years ago I had a dobie. Excellent dog. I have
never owned a rottie but I have trained them. They are both excellent
breeds. Just check out the live before purchasing either breed.
sas...@webtv.net
ElizabethK
>are dobeman pinchers meaner than rottweilers? Are dobermans more obedient? I
>had a wonderful experience with a doberman when growing up but now that I
>can own a dog again my wife prefers a rottweiler. I just don't want a dog
>that's going to be a public hazard and a pain around the house.
>
Harry
You have been listening to old wives tales.
Understand than any breed can be mean as you put it. From Chihuahuas
to Danes.
Hence the reason for chosing your dog from a breeder who knows what
they are doing, breeds for soundness of mind "and" body, hopefully
belongs to the breed club locally, has produced dogs of note out of
their dogs who also have a track record in the ring, or working arena.
The rest is entirely up to you. No dog can know anything unless
trained and an untrained dog can be a barker, a digger, a biter, and a
public hazard - again as "you" put it.
Quality in the breeding and training will lead you to a nice dog.
Chose the breed you both like after doing lots of homework, visiting
dog shows and several breeders. Even if you don't intend to show,
there are always pet quality puppies available from those who do and
have the background to place you with the correct dog or puppy.
Liz
Denna Pace
>are dobeman pinchers meaner than rottweilers? Are dobermans more obedient? I
>had a wonderful experience with a doberman when growing up but now that I
>can own a dog again my wife prefers a rottweiler. I just don't want a dog
>that's going to be a public hazard and a pain around the house.
>
Neither breed as a whole is "mean" unless taught to be so, either
purposfully or inadvertantly. Both tend to be protective and need
tons of socialization; beyond that, they're like apples and oranges.
The two breeds have very different temperaments.
Denna
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ElizabethK
<Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote:
>A dobie will normally live longer and run faster. They are both
>intimidating. Way back years ago I had a dobie. Excellent dog. I have
>never owned a rottie but I have trained them. They are both excellent
>breeds. Just check out the live before purchasing either breed.
>
And so where have you been hiding - or have I just missed the last
year or posts from you?
Liz
kurt & angel wolfertz
Harry
Denna Pace wrote in message <38e2116f...@news.mindspring.com>...
>On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:44:17 -0500, "Harry" <har...@gate.net> wrote:
>
>>are dobeman pinchers meaner than rottweilers? Are dobermans more obedient?
I
>>had a wonderful experience with a doberman when growing up but now that I
>>can own a dog again my wife prefers a rottweiler. I just don't want a dog
>>that's going to be a public hazard and a pain around the house.
>>
>
>Neither breed as a whole is "mean" unless taught to be so, either
>purposfully or inadvertantly. Both tend to be protective and need
>tons of socialization; beyond that, they're like apples and oranges.
>The two breeds have very different temperaments.
what are these differences?
Harry
A.James Gambrini wrote in message <38E051...@hotmail.nospamcom>...
>A dobie will normally live longer and run faster. They are both
>intimidating. Way back years ago I had a dobie. Excellent dog. I have
>never owned a rottie but I have trained them. They are both excellent
>breeds. Just check out the live before purchasing either breed.
What do you mean by checking out the live?
Harry
sas...@webtv.net wrote in message <28985-38...@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...I currently own a rottweiler. I have had him for almost 5 years. He is
very obdient but that is because I have put a lot of time into him. I
have found that rotties tend to bond to one person. My rottie has been
socialized since he was a pup. He is a couch potatoe in the house. I
don't think that a rottie is "meaner" than a dobe. It's how you make
them. If you are a dedicated and responsible dog owner then I highly
recommend a rottie, if your not then please do not get either breed.
Denna Pace
>what are these differences?
>
Well, I'm more familiar with Rotties than I am with Dobies, so I'm not
going to go into a lot of detail and risk making an ass of myself. <G>
I'll let Avrama or Kumiko or one of the other dobe people go into more
detail on Dobe temperament. The big differences that come to my mind
are:
1. Dobes are VERY owner-oriented and like to be with them (and in
contact with them! They're velcro dogs) at all times. Rotties are a
lot more independent.
2. The dobes I have known have been more praise-motivated than the
Rotties I have known. My Rottweiler, Bolo, could have given a flying
rat's arse about praise, so different training techniques were needed.
3. Dobes seem more interested in protecting their humans. Rotties
protect anything they perceive as "theirs," like yard, house, humans,
toys, food, etc. Obviously, both breeds need training and
socialization to prevent unfortunate accidents.
4. The dobes I have met seem more reserved with strangers and
affectionate with their owners. The (well socialized) Rotties I know
tend to adore strangers but just "assume" mom and dad know they love
'em. <G> They seem to have an aversion to PDA's with their owners.
Kinda like teenagers. ;-)
Okay all you dobe people, here's my little disclaimer: I don't know
dobes that well! This just comes from my own observations of those
dobes I've met. If I got something massively wrong about breed
temperament here, please be gentle. ;-)
spmorg...@my-deja.com
from "pet quality", the dobe breeder was a first timer but both parents
were on site and I made several visits before choosing one. Both
parents always displayed good temperament while I (stranger) was there.
The rottie I got from the humane society, she was almost a year old,
also showed good temperament, not obviously or over aggressive.
The dobe was a male, definitely bonded to me and protective. Very
affectionate, clownish behavior, playful. Fine with friends and family,
Smart, learned easily, never a behavior problem other than he wouldn't
bring the frisbee back but the first time. The next time he was going
to play keep away, or lay down and chew on it. They are VERY ACTIVE and
ENERGETIC, will run for days, need big yard.
The rottie is more subdued, not as active as dobe, her idea of
affection is to lay down near you. She's very sweet and socialized,
they can have odd protective moments. Mine ran into the side of a
vehicle that was going by last week, I guess she thought it was going
to fast and somehow a threat to us/me. She broke her leg, 4 screws and
a plate in it now. She was on a leash and had watched several cars come
by before that with no reaction. She doesn't respond to commands as
readily for praise but will for food/treats.
I've loved them both but I will choose the rottie for not being as high
strung or energetic, I'd also recommend a female for the rottie as they
are easier to get along with than males, who want to challenge you for
that alpha role every so often.
Good Luck.
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Before you buy.
emilyg3
(or should I be more polite and suggest that Rotties are
"big-boned"???)
Also, Rotties seem a lot more noisy (what is that snuffly,
bear-like sound they make?)
They're both leaners, aren't they?
Emily (not ~Emily)
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A.James Gambrini
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ElizabethK wrote:
>
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:32:28 -0800, "A.James Gambrini"
> <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote:
>
> >A dobie will normally live longer and run faster. They are both
> >intimidating. Way back years ago I had a dobie. Excellent dog. I have
> >never owned a rottie but I have trained them. They are both excellent
> >breeds. Just check out the live before purchasing either breed.
> >
sas...@webtv.net
Harry
sas...@webtv.net wrote in message <19653-38E...@storefull-624.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
the dobie I owned did not require much training. I trained him myself
and he was an examplary dog. He was incredibly obedient, watchful,
brave, sweet, etc. etc. To say that I trained him is an overstatement.
He was naturally smart, never pulled on the leash when I walked him, and
he never assaulted anybody. In contrast the rotweillers I've seen,
including my cousins, are beast like. Not in a bad way.
Is your dog obedient and was he easy to train.
sas...@webtv.net wrote in message
<28985-38...@storefull-621.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
What do you mean by "beast" like?
are hard of hearing or not obedient. Like a bull or bear.
My rottie is protective of his home
when he is on his run or in his kennel. Jagger will bark but mostly
growl at people walking by. He is very obedient and was fairly easy to
train. He is a very sweet dog and all the neighborhood kids love him.
He would never hurt anyone unless they tried to hurt me.
Erika&Darryl Praul
controlled, and hazards to other people and dogs, be that the fault of the breed
or the owner. The Dobies tend to be much better behaved and less of a danger to
others. Certainly more trustworthy with strangers. I have an obvious
preference, but again I'm not sure if that's because of the breed or the owner.
Unfortunately, many are currently choosing Rotties because of the image, and
have little time or interest in properly socializing and training a challenging
breed.
Testarossa
--
-Testarossa, Ginger (Lhasa Apso), Elly Mae (Greyhound Mix), and soon-to-be
Phoenix (Mastiff)
A.James Gambrini <Cuddly...@hotmail.nospamcom> wrote in message
news:38E051...@hotmail.nospamcom...
> A dobie will normally live longer and run faster. They are both
> intimidating. Way back years ago I had a dobie. Excellent dog. I have
> never owned a rottie but I have trained them. They are both excellent
> breeds. Just check out the live before purchasing either breed.
Avrama Gingold
As anyone who has cyberknown me for a while knows, I am a Doberphile to the
nth degree. Rottis are my favorite non-Doberman breed (Shomer was the
rott-n-chatter's official "rott-n-dobe.")
Dobes tend to be more "rapidly responsive" than Rottis. This is not high
strung, just, rapidly responsive. Both breeds are protective, territorial,
and both breeds require that you be pack leader, and the dog will happily be
your first lieutenant. Males of both breeds tend to be same sex
aggressive--and to be fairly pussy-whipped when it comes to females.
Rottis are (ideally) shorter than Dobes and more massive.
Years ago, in the 1970s, the Doberman was the breed everyone feared--the
"killer dog." Then along came the movie, "The Omen," in which the vicious
dog was the Rotti. The same phallically challenged fools who'd been buying
and breeding Dobes for all the wrong reasons, switched to the Rotti, a
blessing for the Dobe (who some 20-odd years ago was #2 in
registrations--ugh!) and a curse on the Rotti. Therefore you have to be
very careful in searching out a responsible knowledgeable Rottweiler
breeder. Definitely make certain you go to someone who is involved in
obedience, etc., as well as conformation.
One of the greatest therapy dogs of all time was a Rottweiler call-named
Mirko (whose registered name I keep on forgetting), who was a finished
champion, a Schutzhund II or III, CD, CDX, etc., in the Rottweiler club's
register of merit for the number of champions he had sired, AND a therapy
dog, who specialized in working with autistic children. Oh, even in a breed
with big tongues that can scrub your face like a sponge, he had the biggest,
softest tongue I ever felt. (I said hello to him one Westminster just
before meeting a friend for lunch--my friend took one look at me and started
laughing his head off--NOT the effect I had wanted while putting ON the
makeup Mirko had slathered all over my face with one swipe of his tongue.)
There is a personality difference. How shall I put it? A Rottweiler would
prefer the Three Stooges or The Honeymooners; a Doberman would prefer Noel
Coward or MASH. A Rotti is a beer drinker; a Dobe drinks single malt
Scotch. Both breeds are intelligent, but a Rotti is somewhat more likely to
let you do the thinking--a Dobe has to define situations for himself. A
Dobe's favorite game is "What's wrong with this picture?" A Rotti's
favorite game is "Mess with my kid, will you? I'll show you."
A well-bred, well-socialized Dobe or Rotti with true good breed temperament
is priceless. A poorly bred Dobe or Rotti who lacks good temperament isn't
worth the bullet it would take to shoot him.
Both breeds require effort on your part--to learn about the breed before
buying, and to train/educate your dog.
avrama-in-waiting
<> IF I HAVE BUT ONE LIFE TO LEAD, LET MY LEAD BE ON A DOBERMAN! <>
Stanisa Maluckov
Harry <har...@gate.net> wrote in message news:8borv6$24di$1...@news.gate.net...
> are dobeman pinchers meaner than rottweilers? Are dobermans more obedient?
I
> had a wonderful experience with a doberman when growing up but now that I
> can own a dog again my wife prefers a rottweiler. I just don't want a dog
> that's going to be a public hazard and a pain around the house.
think that is the best family dog.Rottweiler is to nervous dog and he
sometimes try to be a boss in house
>
>
>
TaiNePoNes
>sometimes try to be a boss in house
Rottweilers are nervous? That's one I haven't heard before. Are we talking
about the same breed?
Audrey
Laura Strow
AND LOVING. I HAVE THREE AND THEY ARE THE HAPPIEST FRIEND WHEN THE ARE
WITH YOU AND OBEYING YOU. YHEY WORK FOR YOU. I HAVE OWNED SEVERAL BREEDS
INCLUDING RED DOBERMANS. BUT I STAND BEHIND THE ROTTWEILER THEY ARE THE
BREED FOR ANY LOVING FAMILY AS WELL AS A PROTECTOR. MY DOGS ARE RAISED
WITH CATS, THEY LOVE EACH OTHER.
http://community.webtv.net/lastrow/TOPDOGKENNEL
LAURA STROW
Bob Maida
Rottie is a bit more laid back than the Dobie.
Dobies tend to be a bit more active, more demanding
of your attention. Dobies do not like getting wet in the rain
and dislike cold weather. Rotties can handle weather changes beter
But both good breeds, excellent protectors.
I've had both and currently have a Rotties with 3 other dogs
Bob Maida
Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969
Herndon, Virginia
Solaris Dobermans
Can you ad anything else as to the temperament and health to the
Rotties you breed? CGC's, TDI's, working titles, temperament titles?
Any other health tests?
Kumiko
Solaris Dobermans
Promoting _responsible_ ownership of all working breeds.
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