'blue' dobermans in Australia?
brent taylor
I have owned 2 dobies in the past and have fallen in love with the breed,
both my girls were black and tan. While I was back home in Boston on a
holiday, I saw a 'blue' doberman for sale in a pet store. When I returned to
Australia, I rang the clubs and breeders and no one had heard of the color
at all. Does anyone know if there are any breeders in Australia breeding
'blues'? Thanks in advance.
Lynne & Brent
Leslie S. Bird
There are four colors of Dobermans, actually. The first is the Black and
rust, which is the Doberman most people are familiar with. Then there is
the Red and rust, which is a reddish-brown with rust markings. Then there
is the Blue, which can be anything from a silvery-gray with rust markings,
to a mostly black and tan looking dog with a silvery head. Then there is
the Fawn, also called Isabella, which is a palomino or Weimeraner coloration,
again with rust markings. The gene responsible for the blue and fawn Dobes is
called the Dilution gene, and modifies the other two colors. A 'black' dog
with dilution becomes a blue, and a 'red' becomes a fawn.
Since I do believe the blue coloration is acceptable in Australia as it is
everywhere else that I know, I'm suprised the clubs you asked weren't
aware of this. They don't sound very knowledgable about Dobes to me.
For more on Doberman coloration, and to see examples of all four colors,
check out this web page: http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/dobeclr.html
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The easiest way to describe the look of the Blue and the Fawn
is to consider that the Blue looks like a Black who has been
rinsed in Clorox bleach, and the Fawn looks like a Red (brown)
who has been bathed in Clorox.
And to quote Tess Henseler, "There is no such thing as a bad
color on a good dog."
avrama & shomer*
*Black 4, which means he is phenotypically black, but carries
the recessive red/brown gene, and also carries the dilution
gene. Why is it called a Black-4? Simple, because it is
possible for him to sire pups of all four colors, depending on
the genetic makeup of the bitch.
LB> >
LB>
LB> There are four colors of Dobermans, actually. The first is the Black and
LB> rust, which is the Doberman most people are familiar with. Then there is
LB> the Red and rust, which is a reddish-brown with rust markings. Then there
LB> is the Blue, which can be anything from a silvery-gray with rust markings,
LB> to a mostly black and tan looking dog with a silvery head. Then there is
LB> the Fawn, also called Isabella, which is a palomino or Weimeraner coloratio
LB> again with rust markings. The gene responsible for the blue and fawn Dobes
LB> called the Dilution gene, and modifies the other two colors. A 'black' dog
LB> with dilution becomes a blue, and a 'red' becomes a fawn.
LB>
LB> Since I do believe the blue coloration is acceptable in Australia as it is
LB> everywhere else that I know, I'm suprised the clubs you asked weren't
LB> aware of this. They don't sound very knowledgable about Dobes to me.
LB>
LB> For more on Doberman coloration, and to see examples of all four colors,
LB> check out this web page: http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/dobeclr.h
LB> --
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LB> Leslie S. Bird \ "If you ever go temporarily insane,
LB> lb...@randomc.com \ don't shoot somebody, like a lot of
LB> http://lbird.randomc.com/lbird.html people do. Instead, try to get some
LB> / weeding done, because you'd really
LB> / be surprised." - Deep Thoughts
LB> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
LB>
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Robin Nuttall
brent taylor wrote:
>
> I have owned 2 dobies in the past and have fallen in love with the breed,
> both my girls were black and tan. While I was back home in Boston on a
> holiday, I saw a 'blue' doberman for sale in a pet store. When I returned to
> Australia, I rang the clubs and breeders and no one had heard of the color
> at all. Does anyone know if there are any breeders in Australia breeding
> 'blues'? Thanks in advance.
>
I'm not an Aussie, so I don't know what their official standard says,
but I'm sure there are blue dogs down there. The doberman has 4 normal
coat colors--black, red, blue, and fawn. The latter two are dilute
colors. Blues and fawns (especially blues) can be prone to a coat
condition called Color Mutant or Color Dilution Alopecia. This means
that these dogs can have progressively thinning haircoats. They also
require more skin and coat care than a black or a red.
Good breeders never deliberately breed for dilute colors. However, not
all dilutes have coat problems. You shouldn't buy any dog based on
color, and certainly not from a breeder who promotes these colors as
"rare" or "special." You can find more information on this on my
doberman color page:
http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/dobeclr.html
--
Robin, Jasper and Dreamer
robin_...@muccmail.missouri.edu
(my opinions are strictly my own!)
Doberman page:
http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/
Scott & Catherine Adams
Blue dobes are rare but do exist. Not very common. I am a red dobe owner
and I just love her. My lst dobe and we got her at 4 yrs old. A real dobe
suck dog.
brent taylor wrote in message <3539e...@web.nettrek.com.au>...
>I have owned 2 dobies in the past and have fallen in love with the breed,
>both my girls were black and tan. While I was back home in Boston on a
>holiday, I saw a 'blue' doberman for sale in a pet store. When I returned
to
>Australia, I rang the clubs and breeders and no one had heard of the color
>at all. Does anyone know if there are any breeders in Australia breeding
>'blues'? Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
Faithdobes
>Blue dobes are rare but do exist. Not very common.
>My lst dobe
Dear Brett,
l don't know what area you are from but here in the U.S. blue Dobes ARE NOT
rare! They are more common than you think...they can range from a slate blue
color to almost black ( you can see the blue tint out in the sun) Please, do
not make comments on things that are not factual. Not flaming you here, but we
have a hard time already with the dilutes...and inaccuracies prove to make it
harder.
I do commend you for getting an older Dobe...l am sure she has you laughing.
They are great dogs, whether Red, Black, Blue or Isabella (Fawn). How about
coming to join us on DOBERWORLD? It's a great format for all people owned by
Dobes. Email me privately and l will send you the subscription address.
Thanks,
Faith Picos
DPCA COPE RESCUE Member
DPCA Member
Robin Nuttall
Faithdobes wrote:
>
> >Blue dobes are rare but do exist. Not very common.
>
> >My lst dobe
>
> Dear Brett,
> l don't know what area you are from but here in the U.S. blue Dobes ARE NOT
> rare! They are more common than you think...they can range from a slate blue
> color to almost black ( you can see the blue tint out in the sun) Please, do
> not make comments on things that are not factual. Not flaming you here, but we
> have a hard time already with the dilutes...and inaccuracies prove to make it
> harder.
Well actually.......the way the coat color genetics work in dobermans,
blues and fawns, being dilutes, *are* whelped less often than blacks or
reds. So in that sense, they are less common. What they are NOT is
special, or difficult to get if you deliberately breed for them, which
you should never do.
Shane Baker
On 20 Apr 1998 01:24:18 GMT, Leslie S. Bird wrote:
>> I have owned 2 dobies in the past and have fallen in love with the breed,
>> both my girls were black and tan. While I was back home in Boston on a
>> holiday, I saw a 'blue' doberman for sale in a pet store. When I returned to
>> Australia, I rang the clubs and breeders and no one had heard of the color
>> at all. Does anyone know if there are any breeders in Australia breeding
>> 'blues'? Thanks in advance.
>
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>Since I do believe the blue coloration is acceptable in Australia as it is
>everywhere else that I know, I'm suprised the clubs you asked weren't
>aware of this. They don't sound very knowledgable about Dobes to me.
Blue *IS* acceptable under the Australian standard.
That said, I've never seen one.
Regards
Shane Baker
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