Bedlington x Poodle
Lori Reynolds
might have? He's at a shelter, and I'm considering adopting him, but I
don't know anything about Bedlingtons. He's obviously not a properly bred
show quality dog, and I'm sure not concerned about that. Just wondering if
anyone can shed some light. Thanks --
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> Can anyone suggest any really horrible problems that a Bedlington Poodle mix
> might have? He's at a shelter, and I'm considering adopting him, but I
> don't know anything about Bedlingtons. He's obviously not a properly bred
> show quality dog, and I'm sure not concerned about that. Just wondering if
> anyone can shed some light. Thanks --
Is this dog an adult? Does it appear to be reasonably sound? If so then
your health risks are pretty much the same as any other shelter dog. The
big list of diseases doesn't usually help much in determining odds. Copper
Toxicosis is pretty nasty disease in the Bedlington, but it is recessive
and not a problem in poodles. Poodles and Bedlingtons share risks for a
variety of eye diseases that can cause blindness even in a young dog.
This is a risk with a wide variety of breeds and cross breeds.
Diane Blackman
Mud E Poz
>"Properly bred mixed breed" is an oxymoron.
Well, since a good friend of mine in agility has show standard poodles that are
totally in love with my Springers, and both have decent show pedigrees, and
various helath testing (one is a mom to Champions), I guess if they got away
with it...we would have properly bred Springapoos with a wonderful pedigree and
many generations of health tests.
However, since momma dog is now spayed...it is now just a postulation what a
black Poo with a Liver Tri ESS would produce:)
Lori Reynolds
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"Stacy Johnson" <littleb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Properly bred mixed breed" is an oxymoron. And how could a mixed
> breed ever be considered "show quality"?
>
Jo Wolf
toxicosis.... Personality? Working terriers. How the mix with poodle
would effect that? <shrug> Who knows, but the dog oughta be entirely
too smart....
Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia
diddy
>
> "Lori Reynolds" <lorire...@juno.com> wrote:
> >Can anyone suggest any really horrible problems that a Bedlington Poodle mix
> >might have? He's at a shelter, and I'm considering adopting him, but I
> >don't know anything about Bedlingtons. He's obviously not a properly bred
> >show quality dog,
>
> breed ever be considered "show quality"?
I believe bedlingtons have copper toxicosis, not sure if it's a
recessive or not.
Poodles get cysts, and that's not a recessive problem.
Lori Reynolds
BLACK (not a very common Bedlington color, from what I've seen), so how much
Bedlington could there actually be? We all know how accurate (sarcasm!) the
shelter breed listings are. He looks like a regular poodle to me, and my
daughter has already fallen in love with his picture... We'll probably go
give him a look-see this week. I just found a Bedlington breeder listed
here in Peoria, I'll drop her a line and see what she thinks from his photo.
Thanks, all!
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"Jo Wolf" <jo-...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Dimpled Chad
> Well, heck, he's listed on petfinder as a Poodle Bedlington Cross,
Can you post the link? I'd love to see a pix...
Chad
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Lori Reynolds
l&SessionID=3d4471bb6877b304&display=&preview=0&row=75
I think that's the whole link, if not, try a search by name -- "Angus"
He's awful cute, and just what my daughter has been wanting.
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"Dimpled Chad" <herr...@hotmailSendNoSpamPlease.com> wrote in message
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Manadero
>He's awful cute, and just what my daughter has been wanting.
He is that. I guess the thought behind "exotic" breed id's is that they will
make the dog more adoptable(?) ::Shrug:: He just looks like a Poodle to me,
maybe a bit long on leg.
Good luck!
Williams
no Bedlington in the picture on petfinder. But it looks like a very cute
poodle. I say go for it :)
Just my 2 cents
Sara
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Dimpled Chad
> http://web1.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=972725&adTarget=468petsg
> enera l&SessionID=3d4471bb6877b304&display=&preview=0&row=75
>
> I think that's the whole link, if not, try a search by name -- "Angus"
>
> He's awful cute, and just what my daughter has been wanting.
Cute indeed!!! Thanks! What a looker! (Though I know nothing about
Bedlingtons to make a judgment, he's cute nonetheless)
Chad
(BTW: I've learned that most of petfinder's urls contain superfluous data
[for targeting advertising and such]. When posting, you can discard
everything after the pet number, in this case the link:
http://web1.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=972725
would work just fine...)
Thanks for posting the link!!! 8^)
Lori Reynolds
Boston Terrier, and I'd like a Border Terrier.... but when a little girl who
is very responsible and helpful with the big dogs says "but Mommy, I want a
poodle" -- it's hard to say no when there's a really cute one that needs a
home! :-)
But she wanted a "French Poodle" -- which, dontcha know, is the kind with
the little puffballs on the ankles and tail. I had to sit her down and
explain that's just one kind of haircut that poodles can get. I explained
the different sizes to her (as compared to our greyhounds and whippets) and
she decided she wants a whippet-sized poodle. Which "Angus" kind of is, but
I think he's a bit smaller than our male whippets. And he's black, which
would be my choice, because I don't care for the lighter colored poodles
that get stains by their eyes. And "Angus" is kind of a fun name, could be
shortened to "Gus" for a nickname, I suppose.
So now that I have everyone's blessing, I think we'll go for it. :-) Thanks
for the input, everyone! ROAD TRIP!
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Liisa Sarakontu
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> Well, heck, he's listed on petfinder as a Poodle Bedlington Cross, and
> he's BLACK (not a very common Bedlington color, from what I've seen),
> so how much Bedlington could there actually be?
All Bedlingtons are homozygous for the dominant G greying/silvering gene
(the same which makes silver Poodles silver instead of black), and so color
alone tells that this black dog can't be half Bedlington. To me it seems to
be 100 % Poodle.
Copper toxicosis is totally recessive, so if Angus was half Bedlington and
had inherited the copperthing from its Bedlington parent, it would have
inherited a healthy gene from the Poodle parent and that gene would "cover"
the copper thing totally. So no reason to worry about that even if there
was up to 50 % Bedlington blood - unless it comes from both sides of the
pedigree.
Liisa
Toni
"Lori Reynolds" <lorire...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> Can anyone suggest any really horrible problems that a Bedlington Poodle
mix
> might have? He's at a shelter, and I'm considering adopting him, but I
> don't know anything about Bedlingtons. He's obviously not a properly bred
> show quality dog, and I'm sure not concerned about that. Just wondering
if
> anyone can shed some light. Thanks --
>
Is this a known breeding, or someone just thought it looked like one?
Shelters are not known for their success at breed ID. Any Poodle or Poodle X
can be groomed to look like a Bedlington. Just look at my dearly departed
Lola at http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com/Credit_due.htm !!
Plan on excessive grooming needs- a fine, fine textured coat that will mat
easily.
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Lori Reynolds
Bedlington though....
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Lori Reynolds
poodle too. Some of the Bedlington sites that I looked at had pictures of
cute little black puppies, and older puppies with black backs, but
apparently they outgrow that as they get older?
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"Liisa Sarakontu" <lsar...@cc.hut.fi> wrote in message
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Lori Reynolds
know anymore than what was given in his petfinder profile. I'm sure it's
just one of those many cases of mistaken shelter identity. Like the time a
shelter called me and told me they had an afghan and could I come get it.
It was a flat-coated retriever for Pete's sake, but they kept insisting it
was an afghan. Nothing about the dog looked even remotely afghanish.
<sigh>
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"Toni" <To...@irish-wolfhoundsSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Liisa Sarakontu
> looks all poodle too. Some of the Bedlington sites that I looked at
> had pictures of cute little black puppies, and older puppies with black
> backs, but apparently they outgrow that as they get older?
The G gene turn coat paler/greyer, and it starts to work only after birth.
So any normal Bedlingtons are actually born black or brown, start turning
lighter after some weeks and end up being pale silver or very pale brownish
grey. The coat ends up quite uniform grey/silver, but if part of it is
totally shaved off, it might first grow back darker first and then start
turning grey again.
Same with other G-type grey/silver breeds like Bearded Collie, OES, silver
Poodle, Yorkie, Shih Tzu and so on. The "blue" shade of Kerry Terriers is
probably caused by G gene too, as well as darkish grey tones in breeds like
Puli, Pumi, Bouvier and Briard.
Liisa
Serendipity
Well, I've no in-person experience with Bedlington's, but from the
pictures I have seen, they have a distinctive head shape which does
not look like it could easily be disguised by the clip. They also
seem longer-legged and lighter-bodied than poodles. Nevertheless,
I've seen litters of puppies from purebred crosses in which some of
the puppies strongly resembled one parent and the other puppies
strongly resembled the other parent, so I suppose it is possible there
is some Bedlington in this dog. But I sure wouldn't guess it.
As the owner of a poodle, I don't consider the grooming needs
"excessive". I keep my dog clipped fairly short and 15 minutes daily
is enough to keep the mats from forming. Of course, that could be
excessive to some people... ;>)
S.
Lori Reynolds
brush them. They just don't need it. I don't mind doing a little brushing,
my daughter loves caring for the dogs, loves to brush the saluki's ears and
tail, so I'm sure she won't mind. I suspect we'll let Angus' hair grow out
a bit so we can take him to get a modified "French Poodle" cut, as my
daughter calls it. What's a good price for a modified pet continental cut?
Isn't a continental what they call the show dog clip?
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"Serendipity" <ginger.z...@indsys.ge.com> wrote in message
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Chris Jung
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Last summer I needed to do some illustrations of Bedlington so I went to
some shows and chatted with exhibitors. I was able to do some hands on
examinations of Bedlingtons and I discovered that they have a head shape
that is much like a Fox terrier (pretty straight from occiput to nose with a
shallow stop) but not quite as long of a muzzle. So the funny convex head
seen in a show Bedlington is the result of grooming not skull shape.
I think Toni's little poodle looks cute in her mild Bedlington trim. However
I knew a standard poodle back when I lived in CO who was kept in a full
fledged Bedlington cut (shaved ears, neck, naked tail and all). Not just
unattractive but beau coup ugly.
Chris and her smoothies,
Zeffie & Pablo
Toni
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>
> pictures I have seen, they have a distinctive head shape which does
> not look like it could easily be disguised by the clip.
They have a good terrier head- the look is hair.
Just look at http://www.irish-wolfhounds.com/Credit_due.htm - the black
Miniature Poodle has a Bedhead.
> They also
> seem longer-legged and lighter-bodied than poodles. Nevertheless,
> I've seen litters of puppies from purebred crosses in which some of
> the puppies strongly resembled one parent and the other puppies
> strongly resembled the other parent, so I suppose it is possible there
> is some Bedlington in this dog. But I sure wouldn't guess it.
>
Most of the Poodles sold as purebred don't look much like a Poodle is
supposed to look. There are a fair share of them that are whippy and leggy
like that, especially the smaller ones. The above looked at Miniature Poodle
was taller than she was longer, albeit in a more attractive manner than
most.
> As the owner of a poodle, I don't consider the grooming needs
> "excessive". I keep my dog clipped fairly short and 15 minutes daily
> is enough to keep the mats from forming. Of course, that could be
> excessive to some people... ;>)
I've been grooming for 30 years........ most folks think *any* maintenance
is excessive.
<g>
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Toni
> I suspect we'll let Angus' hair grow out
> a bit so we can take him to get a modified "French Poodle" cut, as my
> daughter calls it. What's a good price for a modified pet continental
cut?
> Isn't a continental what they call the show dog clip?
Toy- $50-55
Mini- $60-75
Std.- $125+
Toni
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> I think Toni's little poodle looks cute in her mild Bedlington trim.
However
> I knew a standard poodle back when I lived in CO who was kept in a full
> fledged Bedlington cut (shaved ears, neck, naked tail and all). Not just
> unattractive but beau coup ugly.
>
They have to be fairly refined to be able to wear it well.
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Lori Reynolds
grooming shop that I know has been in business a long time, is clean, and
has donated to greyhound rescue. I explained the kind of dog and what I
wanted done. They said what I'd like is called a "Miami Summer Clip," and
it would be $24. That includes the bath, clipping the face and toes very
short, poodle head and ears, and pompoms on the tail and ankles (as good as
they can get it with what he's got to work with for now anyways!).
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"Toni" <To...@irish-wolfhoundsSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Manadero
>I called a local
>grooming shop that I know has been in business a long time, is clean, and
>has donated to greyhound rescue. I explained the kind of dog and what I
>wanted done. They said what I'd like is called a "Miami Summer Clip,"
Just mentioning, but this is different than the Continental you mentioned
earlier. This is shaved down short all over except for bracelets and tail. It
all depends on where you are, but $24 sounds very reasonable (i.e. cheap) to
me. Around here that would run around $35 - $40 and a Continental (which is a
great deal more scissor work) would run you about $50 - $60.
Hope this helps. Good luck with the little guy! Years ago, I rescued a Poodle
for my Grandmother (she was a red named "Robin" of all things) and I had a
great time with her :) Being a groomer and having Aussies/BCs is a little like
being a dressmaker and only having little boys <g>
Robin
Chris Jung
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thus extra poufy. So there were big honking poufs on the ends of the ears, a
really huge pouf on top of the head, skinny jaw/neck right next to giant
poufy body hair. I guess not a real Bedlington trim (it was a Bedlington
trim/shaved parts with big show poodle poofy hair). Bedlington Terriers in
show coat strike me as streamline and look built for speed. The owner
obviously kept this poodle well brushed out and trimmed but, for example,
those poufs on the ears (called earrings?) were the size of cantaloupes. So
still, IMHO, big hair + Bedlington trim = one ooogly poodle.
Chris and her slick smoothies,
Zeffie and Pablo
Toni
> Yikes, those prices seem high! Where do you live? I called a local
> grooming shop that I know has been in business a long time, is clean, and
> has donated to greyhound rescue. I explained the kind of dog and what I
> wanted done. They said what I'd like is called a "Miami Summer Clip," and
> it would be $24. That includes the bath, clipping the face and toes very
> short, poodle head and ears, and pompoms on the tail and ankles (as good
as
> they can get it with what he's got to work with for now anyways!).
What you are *now* describing is called a Clown Clip here (or Miami, or
Bikini)..... and is *a bit* cheaper.
That clip would take me about 15 minutes prep, and 30 minutes to finish
(with a bather fluffer provided). As most groomers get 50% of the total,
you've just paid me $12 for 45 minutes work... $16 an hour.
Sorry- no.
$24 won't even get a Chihuahua bathed in my shop.
Lori Reynolds
want to go to that extreme for a pet.
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Serendipity
Yes, $125 sounds very high. My groomer charges $55-65 for a standard,
depending on how much work is involved (scissoring, mat removal,
etc.).
I believe it is very much dependent on the area of the country,
because last summer when I was trying to adopt a standard for someone
in NY, she thought $50 was high when I quoted her that price.
I don't think that you would want a continental clip on a pet; the
hair grows out very fast and the dog would look much more scruffy in
between clips than if you just have a lamb clip or some other modified
clip. With my dog, I am thinking of having an all-over clip every 8
weeks but having his face and feet done more often, because his hair
starts getting in his eyes as soon as his hair starts to grow out at
all.
S.
Serendipity
Yes, I realize the head shape is not convex as it appears, but it does
not have as clearly defined stop or, as you pointed out, as long a
muzzle.
S.
Serendipity
Still, neither dog looks much like this:
http://www.puppyfinder.com/breeds/breed-detail.dog?bid=110