PITBULLS - Babyillers
Kevin Shipler
This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
NOTATION:
^^^^^^^^^
The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
*Brian Hinkle
*Joyce Roberts
*Sandra Pover
*Bob Maida
*Terry McCauley
These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
everything that is noted.
My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
the mental trauma experienced by him.
Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
problem.
After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky. One
sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
intelligence!)
I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
FACTS:
^^^^^^
*Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
*The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
humans.
*Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
**These facts cannot be disputed.
Then I read ridiculous stories like:
1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
heavily regulated.
QUESTION?
^^^^^^^^^
Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
of control.
Let your conscience be your quide.
Kevin Shipler
Los Angeles, Ca.
Sandra Pover
>This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
>these dog groups.
Hallelujah! There is a doG in heaven.
>I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
>most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
Correction, _opinion_ not evidence. That pitbulls have attacked
and/or bit people or other dogs, is certainly fact. Other breeds have
also attacked and/or bit people or other dogs. Bite statistics from
virtually _every_ reputable statistical analysis have confirmed that
so-called Pit Bulls, (the definition of precisely which individual
_is_ a "Pit Bull" varies), are very low relative to other breeds such
as Cockers, Shepherds and Shepherd crosses, St. Bernards and many
others. They are lower in both absolute and relative numbers.
That a large, powerful dog can inflict more serious injuries is
indisputable but a Pit Bull is no more able to inflict grave harm than
would any other large breed. Furthermore, it is generally accepted
that, although more likely to be dog-aggressive than most other
breeds, (many Terriers are dog-aggressive and this sparring attitude
is encouraged in the breed ring), Pit Bulls are extremely
bite-inhibited WRT people.
This is a logical outgrowth of their history as fighting animals.
They must be amenable to handling by their owners/handlers even when
incited to fighting mode and/or injured and in pain. Most dogs are
more likely to bite when injured or fighting: this is ubiquitous. Ask
any vet or vet tech. Pits have been bred to be much less likely to
be so.
The problem with vicious dogs can be attributed to two things, bad
owners and bad breeders. These conditions are blind as to breed.
Regarding Pit Bulls and other fighting breeds, even those bred by the
scum-sucking, bottom-feeding, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathers who
fight their dogs, are selected for human bite-inhibition so that they
_can_ be handled.
That you have a problem with Pit Bulls, is abundantly clear. It is
ironic that you have been "like a Pit Bull" is your pursuit of it. I
and many others here are bored rigid with it and welcome your ceasing
this incessant flogging. For what it's worth, your efforts would be
much better invested in anti-vicious dog legislation which would
encompass vicious Pit Bulls and any other vicious dog whilst leaving
the well-bred, sane, people-friendly dogs to their loving pet homes.
I neither know nor care what your issue is or where this obsession
comes from but you have made your position very clear and any here who
agree with you have had ample opportunity to jump onto your bandwagon.
It's high time you hauled it away. You've become boring. Why don't
you come back when you've got something else to talk about?
>NOTATION:
>^^^^^^^^^
>
>The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
>
>*Brian Hinkle
>*Joyce Roberts
>*Sandra Pover
Oops, too late.
>*Bob Maida
>*Terry McCauley
>
>These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
>post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
>everything that is noted.
And just how did you intend enforcing the above prohibition?
[snip repetition of colossally BORING Shipler refrain]
Sandra
To email, do what it says
Chris Kosmakos
Kevin Shipler (kshi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
: these dog groups.
Thank you. Please adhere to that resolution. You have clearly stated
your opinion many times and there is nothing to be gained by repeating
it.
I'm sure you've realized that there are lots of knowledgable and
responsible people who feel strongly that your opinion is wrong. Every
time you attempt to gather support against APBTs (or any other breed)
they have to counter with information to counter your arguments, since
any breed-specific legislation endangers all of our dogs.
I've given up on trying to educate you on the fallacies in your arguments.
My only hope is that your every effort in this misguided campaign is
thwarted by concerned dog-owners armed with better information, to the
point that you simply get tired and give up.
Lynn K.
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chri...@netcom.com
Dan O'Connor
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> Kevin;
I understand your frustration. I'm not denying the incident took place. I
have to take your word on it. I am simply saying you should not ban the
entire race of pit bull dogs because of this .
Yes I have the experience and as a expert witness for court cases. I can say
there has been far more attacks with other breeds and mixed breeds then pit
bulls.
These attacks should be handled on a case by case basis.
> FACTS:
> ^^^^^^
>
> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
>
Two Rotweillers in Ocala May of this year mauled a child to death. An Akita
in Kissimeme mauled a child by going through an invisible fence.
> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> humans.
>
Maybe true of your area. But State law prohibits the use of dogs for dog
fighting. Would all Mexicans be considered evil because a few cock fight,
and does that mean that if a Mexican owns a rooster, that he is using it for
that purpose.
> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
>
Very true as for some other breeds. Britain would not recognize a breed if
it's name was preceded by German.
> **These facts cannot be disputed.
>
Yes they can. I can't believe you are so hard on this breed because of this
incident. I am sorry it happened. But what if it were a Shepherd or
Doberman. Check your newspapers back to aleast a year. You will find dog
attacks in there that are not pit bull related. But you didn't notice them
because they didn't effect you like this case. Hitting so close to home.
I can't change your mind or beliefs. But can't say I'm a pit bull lover
either. But I way the facts and that has to be presented with unbiased
opinion. In fact i wish the world were made up of nothing but German
Shepherds. :)
> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
>
> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
>
> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
>
> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
>
>
All these maybe true. Don't close your mind because this dog happen to be in
your neighborhood.
> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> heavily regulated.
>
> QUESTION?
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
>
>
Your wouldn't take that that individual was armed. You are talking about a
species. So if that man was black. You would want to ban all blacks from
your neighborhood.
> Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
> Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
> of control.
>
I have and the facts are not on your side. And as long as their are people
like you watching out, I doubt there will ever be a epidemic.
> Let your conscience be your quide.
>
>
It has and I thank you for your opinion. But I have trained many pit bull
and pit bull types that are very gentle and never hurt anyone. I have
trained Dalmatians that would tear you arm off because they are aggressive.
And for your information. these dogs were only in for obedience training.
Thanks
Dan O'Connor
F.D.L.E. Certified Police K-9 Instructor
www.bitstorm.net/doconnor
P.S.
FYI (F.D.L.E.) stands for Florida Department of Law Enforcement
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Well, you are right! Pitbulls and rottweilers are bad because the hoodlums
own them. Let's get some Volvo owners to drive pitbulls and rottweilers
around and their image will change.
Tony
Kevin Shipler wrote:
> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
> most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
>
> NOTATION:
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
>
> *Brian Hinkle
> *Joyce Roberts
> *Sandra Pover
> *Bob Maida
> *Terry McCauley
>
> These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
> post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
> everything that is noted.
>
> My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
> his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
> the mental trauma experienced by him.
>
> Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
> neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
> problem.
>
> After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
> began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky. One
> sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
> intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
> names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
> intelligence!)
>
> I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
> seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
>
> FACTS:
> ^^^^^^
>
> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
>
> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> humans.
>
> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
>
> **These facts cannot be disputed.
>
> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
>
> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
>
> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
>
> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
>
> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> heavily regulated.
>
> QUESTION?
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
>
> Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
> Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
> of control.
>
> Let your conscience be your quide.
>
> Kevin Shipler
> Los Angeles, Ca.
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<FONT COLOR="#993366"><FONT SIZE=+2>Well, you are right! Pitbulls and rottweilers
are bad because the hoodlums own them. Let's get some Volvo owners to drive
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<P>Kevin Shipler wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions
about Pitbulls on
<BR>these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of
the
<BR>most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
<P>NOTATION:
<BR>^^^^^^^^^
<P>The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
<P>*Brian Hinkle
<BR>*Joyce Roberts
<BR>*Sandra Pover
<BR>*Bob Maida
<BR>*Terry McCauley
<P>These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
<BR>post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
<BR>everything that is noted.
<P>My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
<BR>his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
<BR>the mental trauma experienced by him.
<P>Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
<BR>neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of
this
<BR>problem.
<P>After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
<BR>began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky.
One
<BR>sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
<BR>intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
<BR>names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
<BR>intelligence!)
<P>I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the
the
<BR>seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
<P>FACTS:
<BR>^^^^^^
<P>*Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
<P>*The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs
and
<BR>humans.
<P>*Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
<P>**These facts cannot be disputed.
<P>Then I read ridiculous stories like:
<P>1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
<P>2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
<P>3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
<P>Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
<BR>which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
<BR>councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
<BR>heavily regulated.
<P>QUESTION?
<BR>^^^^^^^^^
<P>Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
<BR>firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate
a
<BR>dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
<P>Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN
the
<BR>Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally
out
<BR>of control.
<P>Let your conscience be your quide.
<P>Kevin Shipler
<BR>Los Angeles, Ca.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Shahbazin
Just wanted to respond to your post from another point of view - & I'm not
denigrating your experiences, either, so please bear with me:
>*Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
parents, etc?
>*The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
humans.
seen by dog fanciers & trainers, are used for obedience competitions, weight
pull, search & rescue, other tracking activities, carting, flyball, agility,
farm dogs, shows, and personal companions.
if they are bad dogs, they should be banned?
>**These facts cannot be disputed.
>Then I read ridiculous stories like:
>1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
>2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
>3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
of dogs to prove your opinion, why can't other people hold up an equal sample
to prove theirs?
I guess what a lot of folks would like to say, is we're horrified by the
attack in your neighborhood, & we understand your desire to eliminate
hazardous conditions - but, dog bites are a HUMAN problem, when people either
get a dog & don't train it, or deliberately get a dog to intimidate other
people. It isn't the dog, or the dog's breed that is the problem - the idiots
that go around bragging of their "tough" dog would just get some other breed
to pervert & destroy if all of the large guard breeds were banned (I can see
it now - Standard poodles dyed in gang colors, with graffiti shaved in their
fur, and big spiked collars - it could happen!). Many people see legislation
concerning banning ownership of dogs from people who abuse that privilege
(runs at large, bites people, used as intimidation/weapon for extortion) to be
a more comprehensive approach.
And, yes, I'm prejudiced - my husband & I own an ILP/LPL registered,
neutered, tattooed, microchipped, obedience trained, lives in fenced
yard/house dog, thoroughly lovable & sweet American Pit Bull Terrier. This dog
is bright, inquisitive, high energy - and would do *anything* we asked of him,
in his desire to please us - and that is where the breed is in trouble, when
what is sometimes asked of them is that they conform to certain warped owners'
notions of being a guard dog.
sitehat
In article <343FC3...@ix.netcom.com>, kshi...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
>
>*Brian Hinkle
>*Joyce Roberts
>*Sandra Pover
>*Bob Maida
>*Terry McCauley
ROTFL
dogsnus
Kevin Shipler wrote:
>
> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> these dog groups.
Good! Im sick of listenging to a narrow minded bigot anyway.
And one who can't cite real evidence to his ravings, to boot.
I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
> most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
>
No, you never HAVE presented any hard facts, only hysterical
concjecture. Read the National Enquirer, do you, for daily news??
> NOTATION:
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
>
> *Brian Hinkle
> *Joyce Roberts
> *Sandra Pover
> *Bob Maida
> *Terry McCauley
First, you cant even spell my name right, second, the surest way
to get me to respond to a message is to tell me I can't. Ill
respond to any damn message I choose to. Get it?
>
> These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
> post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
> everything that is noted.
Well, Im proud to be lumped into such noted authorities as you listed.
I read hard core facts, Petey. Not fortune cookies like you do to
see the facts of life...
> My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
> his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
> the mental trauma experienced by him.
Now, about that.. what the hell is a grown man like you doing exploring
the developing body of a 13 yr old boy? You pervert.
>
> Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
> neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
> problem.
OIC, you have one pitbull in your perverted building and everyone
bans the dog, instead of a pervert like you? Some building...
Im deeply impressed....NOT!!!
>
> After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
> began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky.
Ive never owned a pitbull in my life moron. You deserve attacks for your
perveted interests in the developing body of a young boy. Never mind
the breed of dog involved!
One
> sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky.
You.
(This shows you the
> intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
> names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
> intelligence!)
You cant claim kin to this part of humanity.
>
> I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
> seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
>
> FACTS:
> ^^^^^^
>
> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
So have many cats, rottweilers, GSD;s, Goldens, ferrets, rats, snakes,
AND parents, doofus.
>
> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> humans.
Blowing smoke out your butt again eh?
>
> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> heavily regulated.
Thousands of us are and have already posted and made up brochures
against the ban of pittbulls. We have been at it longer than you.
We attend rallies and legistate when people like you attempt to
ban a specific breed. We have more money than you, and a lot
more access to the goverment than you. The logical outnumber the
hysterical rantings of people like you.
WE dont rely on hysterical bull CACA, we present FACTS!
>
> Let your conscience be your quide.
Well, I prefer to let my conscience be my "quide". Guess that's
yet another reason my voice and letters get more attention than
your poor ,mis-spelled " hysterial pitbull ban brochures," eh?
Just promise us it's your last attempt and manage to stick
to your promise, for once, eh?
Terri
krei...@mail.csrlink.net
On 1997-10-11 kshi...@ix.netcom.com said:
>FACTS:
>^^^^^^
>*Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
###########################################################################
>*The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs
>and humans.
###########################################################################
>*Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
>**These facts cannot be disputed.
Facts?! OK, I'll take you up on that. Show me some documentation
supporting the assertion that I have bracketed. I cannot think where
you would even find such evidence. Oh, and I do not have any Pit
Bulls, just a couple of mixed-breed shelter alumna. I am questioning
your assertions because I get a strong scent of bias from your post.
Oh, and since this is a dog group, please tell me what dogs live with
you.
Bob K
Bryan Hinkle
Kevin Shipler (kshi...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
: most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
: NOTATION:
: ^^^^^^^^^
: The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
: *Brian Hinkle
'
I'm replying to it what do you think you're going to do about it?
: *Joyce Roberts
: *Sandra Pover
: *Bob Maida
: *Terry McCauley
: These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
: post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
: everything that is noted.
Bullshit!!!!!!!..... the *facts* have been provided to you by all the
above and by people closely associated with the breed. *You* have
consistently posted *outright lies* ( such as your "Ricky" story ) and
distorted facts in an irrational attempt to support your equally irrational
position.
: My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
: his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
: the mental trauma experienced by him.
More Bullshit. You claim to be in L.A. ,in the hyper aware media are
of the LA basin a story like that would have made the news. * YOU* have
consistently avoided posting ANY proof whatsoever that the incident
happened.
: Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
: neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
: problem.
Yadda Yadda......MORE bullshit...........therte have been no new
ordinances enacted in the LA area in the time frame you postulate.
: After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
And YET MORE Bullshit.......of your list above *I* own an APBT ,not
Bob Maida or any of the rest.
: began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky. One
I see ,so when we defend a breed of dogs it's a " counterattack".....
........and and YES I'll "defame " YOU every chance I get.
: sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
Yeah YOU posted it and then tryed to weasel out of your responsibility.
: intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
: names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
: intelligence!)
I see. How prescient of you to be able to estimate an idividuals
intelligence based on ownership of a specific breed of canine.
: I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
: seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
Sorry but *you* arew more an object of pity. I've been fighting against
people like *you* in the political arena r.e. canines for so long that
you're merely another in a long libne of slugs.
: FACTS:
: ^^^^^^
: *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
Many ,many breeds have killed small children and babies.
: *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
: humans.
Complete and total utter BULLSHIT ,you conveniently ignore the tens of
thousands of APBTs involved in therapy ,conformation,flyball ,agility
weight-pulling ,catch dog work ,stock work ,obedience ,schitzhund ,CGC
etc.etc.
The ADBA conformation Ch. bitch that sits here as I type this has her
CGC ,not quite the above that you postulated 'eh Petey.
: *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
And those bans are being overturned. Likewise lots of things are "banned
in some countries".
: **These facts cannot be disputed.
I just disputed them. Whatcha gonna do about it?
: Then I read ridiculous stories like:
: 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
: 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
: 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
Not ridiculous....absolutely TRUE.......whether YOU like it or not.
: Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
: which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
: councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
: heavily regulated.
And as I stated WE will be there to oppose you. As I have already
stated ,since I run a 40 inch 4-color Heidelberg for a living I can
print a hell of a lot more impressive " color brochure" than you can
and since the guy that I work for owns APBTs he'll donate the paper.
Go ahead and match a SKID of Tahoe Gloss coated , yup 4 up brochures
30,000 sheets worth.
: QUESTION?
: ^^^^^^^^^
: Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
: firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
: dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
Why would anyone tolerate a dangerous DOG. The vasy majority of
APBTs are NOT dangerous.
: Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
: Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
: of control.
More likely people will encourage them to ban mindlessly myopic bigoted
assholes like YOU Shipler ,Petey-Boy Smythe the Trolling Anal Retentive.
: Let your conscience be your quide.
I am ,believe me I am.
B.
someone in the lab
Kevin Shipler wrote:
>
> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> these dog groups.
Thank goodness!
> FACTS:
> ^^^^^^
>
> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
Gee, following that logic I guess we should ban Golden Retrievers,
too.
> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> humans.
References, please?
> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
And your point is...?
> **These facts cannot be disputed.
Well, if you say so :-)
> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
>
> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
>
> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
Umm, how exactly are these "ridiculous"?
> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
Now, -that- has the ring of truth.
> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
Well, if there were a dog "attacking humans and other animals", I'd
want to deal with it. But by your logic all black men under 35 should
be put in jail or killed - is that what you believe?
> Let your conscience be your quide.
Get a life. And a spellchecker.
Cinnamon McGeehan
Luckily, my name is not on the list of 'those who cannot reply'. I have
been watching the debate of how pit bulls should be banned, and now how they
are baby killers. I have a pit bull. Luckily, I have one that has not been
inbred, one that we socialized and treated kindly. I agree with many people
who write that say pit bulls are dangerous. They are. (Or at least have
the potential to be). They are amazingly muscular, don't feel much pain,
and have a bite worse than most. They were bred as fighting dogs, and, as
anyone who owns outside cats, or watches the nature videos of lions, bears,
sharks, etc... they kill things. ALL animals kill things. Why people are
surprised to find their animal, cat or dog, killed something, is beyond me.
They're ANIMALS. Of course it is horrendously tragic when an animal hurts,
or kills a human. Unfortunately a lot of really stupid people own pit
bulls, and a lot of owners WANT them to kill things - like people. I
remember when everyone wanted to ban german shepards for the exact same
reason. Next it'll be all those inbred, overbred poor dalmations that all
the boneheads bought that can't handle the breed that'll go nuts and kill
people. Pit bulls CAN be sweet, adorable, fun loving, big babies, (ours HAS
to sleep in bed, under the covers, head on the pillow, cuddled up with my
husband). And just like guns in the hands of either people who don't know
how to use them, or people who WANT a destructive weapon, they can kill.
Please no more posts about how dangerous they are. We know they are. But
there IS another side to the story.
Kevin Shipler wrote:
> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
> most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
>
> NOTATION:
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
>
> *Brian Hinkle
> *Joyce Roberts
> *Sandra Pover
> *Bob Maida
> *Terry McCauley
>
> These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
> post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
> everything that is noted.
>
> My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
> his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
> the mental trauma experienced by him.
>
> Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
> neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
> problem.
>
> After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
> began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky. One
> sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
> intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
> names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
> intelligence!)
>
> I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
> seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
>
> FACTS:
> ^^^^^^
>
> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
>
> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> humans.
>
> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
>
> **These facts cannot be disputed.
>
> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
>
> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
>
> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
>
> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
>
> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> heavily regulated.
>
> QUESTION?
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
>
> Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
> Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
> of control.
>
> Let your conscience be your quide.
>
Tony "Taco" Gambrini
Sandra Pover wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 11:19:56 -0700, Kevin Shipler
>
> >This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> >these dog groups.
>
>
> >most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
>
> >^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
> >
> >*Brian Hinkle
> >*Joyce Roberts
> >*Sandra Pover
>
>
> >*Bob Maida
> >*Terry McCauley
> >
> >These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
> >post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
> >everything that is noted.
>
>
> [snip repetition of colossally BORING Shipler refrain]
>
> Sandra
> To email, do what it says
Sorry, Sandy, but large toothed animals can do more serious damage to
soft tissue of humans. Maybe you shoudl come to see some damage and I
can show the difference. Pitbulls are bred for fighting and nothing
else. They are not as good as a GSD in any way. Sorry.
Tony
Tony "Taco" Gambrini
Dan O'Connor wrote:
>
> > Kevin;
>
> I understand your frustration. I'm not denying the incident took place. I
> have to take your word on it. I am simply saying you should not ban the
> entire race of pit bull dogs because of this .
>
> Yes I have the experience and as a expert witness for court cases. I can say
> there has been far more attacks with other breeds and mixed breeds then pit
> bulls.
>
> These attacks should be handled on a case by case basis.
>
> > ^^^^^^
> >
> > *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
> >
>
> in Kissimeme mauled a child by going through an invisible fence.
>
> > humans.
> >
>
> fighting. Would all Mexicans be considered evil because a few cock fight,
> and does that mean that if a Mexican owns a rooster, that he is using it for
> that purpose.
>
> >
>
> it's name was preceded by German.
>
> >
>
> incident. I am sorry it happened. But what if it were a Shepherd or
> Doberman. Check your newspapers back to aleast a year. You will find dog
> attacks in there that are not pit bull related. But you didn't notice them
> because they didn't effect you like this case. Hitting so close to home.
>
> I can't change your mind or beliefs. But can't say I'm a pit bull lover
> either. But I way the facts and that has to be presented with unbiased
> opinion. In fact i wish the world were made up of nothing but German
> Shepherds. :)
>
> >
> > 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
> >
> > 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
> >
> > 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
> >
> >
>
> your neighborhood.
>
> > which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> > councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> > heavily regulated.
> >
> > QUESTION?
> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> > firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> > dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
> >
> >
>
> species. So if that man was black. You would want to ban all blacks from
> your neighborhood.
>
> > Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
> > of control.
> >
>
> like you watching out, I doubt there will ever be a epidemic.
>
> >
> >
>
> and pit bull types that are very gentle and never hurt anyone. I have
> trained Dalmatians that would tear you arm off because they are aggressive.
> And for your information. these dogs were only in for obedience training.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan O'Connor
> F.D.L.E. Certified Police K-9 Instructor
> www.bitstorm.net/doconnor
>
> P.S.
> FYI (F.D.L.E.) stands for Florida Department of Law Enforcement
>
>
> Name: vcard.vcf
> Part 1.2 Type: text/x-vcard
> Encoding: 7bit
> Description: Card for Dan O'Connor
No Mexicans just steal cars and sleep a lot. Don't they take siestas all
the time?
Tony
Tony Taco
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I have never seen Golden Retrievers with drug dealers. Have you?
Tony
someone in the lab wrote:
> Kevin Shipler wrote:
> >
> > This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> > these dog groups.
>
> Thank goodness!
>
> > FACTS:
> > ^^^^^^
> >
> > *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
>
> Gee, following that logic I guess we should ban Golden Retrievers,
> too.
>
> > *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> > humans.
>
> References, please?
>
> > *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
>
> And your point is...?
>
> > **These facts cannot be disputed.
>
> Well, if you say so :-)
>
> > Then I read ridiculous stories like:
> >
> > 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
> >
> > 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
>
> Umm, how exactly are these "ridiculous"?
>
> > 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
>
> Now, -that- has the ring of truth.
>
> > Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> > firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> > dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
>
> Well, if there were a dog "attacking humans and other animals", I'd
> want to deal with it. But by your logic all black men under 35 should
> be put in jail or killed - is that what you believe?
>
> > Let your conscience be your quide.
>
> Get a life. And a spellchecker.
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<P><FONT COLOR="#993366"><FONT SIZE=+2>Tony</FONT></FONT>
<P>someone in the lab wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Kevin Shipler wrote:
<BR>>
<BR>> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls
on
<BR>> these dog groups.
<P>Thank goodness!
<P>> FACTS:
<BR>> ^^^^^^
<BR>>
<BR>> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
<P>Gee, following that logic I guess we should ban Golden Retrievers,
<BR>too.
<P>> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs
and
<BR>> humans.
<P>References, please?
<P>> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
<P>And your point is...?
<P>> **These facts cannot be disputed.
<P>Well, if you say so :-)
<P>> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
<BR>>
<BR>> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
<BR>>
<BR>> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
<P>Umm, how exactly are these "ridiculous"?
<P>> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
<P>Now, -that- has the ring of truth.
<P>> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
<BR>> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate
a
<BR>> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
<P>Well, if there were a dog "attacking humans and other animals", I'd
<BR>want to deal with it. But by your logic all black men under 35 should
<BR>be put in jail or killed - is that what you believe?
<P>> Let your conscience be your quide.
<P>Get a life. And a spellchecker.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Tony Taco
Kevin is correct. Sorry. They are banned in the UK.
Tony
krei...@mail.csrlink.net wrote:
> On 1997-10-11 kshi...@ix.netcom.com said:
> >FACTS:
> >^^^^^^
> >*Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
>
> ###########################################################################
> >*The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs
> >and humans.
> ###########################################################################
>
> >*Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
> >**These facts cannot be disputed.
>
Tony Taco
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Jimmy the Greek made a statement and took a lot of crap for it. Well, it was
probably true. Pitbulls don't feel paind and they are stupid. That is what makes
them dangerous. They are strong and some are friendly. But if everyone had to
get a license and have a drug test for ownership the breed would rebound and be
a good dog.
Tony
Cinnamon McGeehan wrote:
> Luckily, my name is not on the list of 'those who cannot reply'. I have
> been watching the debate of how pit bulls should be banned, and now how they
> are baby killers. I have a pit bull. Luckily, I have one that has not been
> inbred, one that we socialized and treated kindly. I agree with many people
> who write that say pit bulls are dangerous. They are. (Or at least have
> the potential to be). They are amazingly muscular, don't feel much pain,
> and have a bite worse than most. They were bred as fighting dogs, and, as
> anyone who owns outside cats, or watches the nature videos of lions, bears,
> sharks, etc... they kill things. ALL animals kill things. Why people are
> surprised to find their animal, cat or dog, killed something, is beyond me.
> They're ANIMALS. Of course it is horrendously tragic when an animal hurts,
> or kills a human. Unfortunately a lot of really stupid people own pit
> bulls, and a lot of owners WANT them to kill things - like people. I
> remember when everyone wanted to ban german shepards for the exact same
> reason. Next it'll be all those inbred, overbred poor dalmations that all
> the boneheads bought that can't handle the breed that'll go nuts and kill
> people. Pit bulls CAN be sweet, adorable, fun loving, big babies, (ours HAS
> to sleep in bed, under the covers, head on the pillow, cuddled up with my
> husband). And just like guns in the hands of either people who don't know
> how to use them, or people who WANT a destructive weapon, they can kill.
> Please no more posts about how dangerous they are. We know they are. But
> there IS another side to the story.
>
> Kevin Shipler wrote:
>
> > This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> > these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
> > most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
> >
> > NOTATION:
> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
> >
> > *Brian Hinkle
> > *Joyce Roberts
> > *Sandra Pover
> > *Bob Maida
> > *Terry McCauley
> >
> > These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
> > post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
> > everything that is noted.
> >
> > My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
> > his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
> > the mental trauma experienced by him.
> >
> > Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
> > neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
> > problem.
> >
> > After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
> > began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky. One
> > sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
> > intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
> > names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
> > intelligence!)
> >
> > I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
> > seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
> >
> > FACTS:
> > ^^^^^^
> >
> > *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
> >
> > *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> > humans.
> >
> > *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
> >
> > **These facts cannot be disputed.
> >
> > Then I read ridiculous stories like:
> >
> > 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
> >
> > 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
> >
> > 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
> >
> > Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> > which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> > councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> > heavily regulated.
> >
> > QUESTION?
> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> > firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> > dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
> >
> > Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
> > Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
> > of control.
> >
> > Let your conscience be your quide.
> >
> > Kevin Shipler
> > Los Angeles, Ca.
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<FONT COLOR="#000099"><FONT SIZE=+3>Jimmy the Greek made a statement and
took a lot of crap for it. Well, it was probably true. Pitbulls don't feel
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strong and some are friendly. But if everyone had to get a license and
have a drug test for ownership the breed would rebound and be a good dog.</FONT></FONT></H1>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#000099"><FONT SIZE=+3>Tony</FONT></FONT>
<P>Cinnamon McGeehan wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Luckily, my name is not on the list of 'those who
cannot reply'. I have
<BR>been watching the debate of how pit bulls should be banned, and now
how they
<BR>are baby killers. I have a pit bull. Luckily, I have one
that has not been
<BR>inbred, one that we socialized and treated kindly. I agree with
many people
<BR>who write that say pit bulls are dangerous. They are. (Or
at least have
<BR>the potential to be). They are amazingly muscular, don't feel
much pain,
<BR>and have a bite worse than most. They were bred as fighting dogs,
and, as
<BR>anyone who owns outside cats, or watches the nature videos of lions,
bears,
<BR>sharks, etc... they kill things. ALL animals kill things.
Why people are
<BR>surprised to find their animal, cat or dog, killed something, is beyond
me.
<BR>They're ANIMALS. Of course it is horrendously tragic when an
animal hurts,
<BR>or kills a human. Unfortunately a lot of really stupid people
own pit
<BR>bulls, and a lot of owners WANT them to kill things - like people.
I
<BR>remember when everyone wanted to ban german shepards for the exact
same
<BR>reason. Next it'll be all those inbred, overbred poor dalmations
that all
<BR>the boneheads bought that can't handle the breed that'll go nuts and
kill
<BR>people. Pit bulls CAN be sweet, adorable, fun loving, big babies,
(ours HAS
<BR>to sleep in bed, under the covers, head on the pillow, cuddled up with
my
<BR>husband). And just like guns in the hands of either people who
don't know
<BR>how to use them, or people who WANT a destructive weapon, they can
kill.
<BR>Please no more posts about how dangerous they are. We know they
are. But
<BR>there IS another side to the story.
<P>Kevin Shipler wrote:
<P>> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
<BR>> these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one
of the
<BR>> most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
<BR>>
<BR>> NOTATION:
<BR>> ^^^^^^^^^
<BR>>
<BR>> The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
<BR>>
<BR>> *Brian Hinkle
<BR>> *Joyce Roberts
<BR>> *Sandra Pover
<BR>> *Bob Maida
<BR>> *Terry McCauley
<BR>>
<BR>> These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
<BR>> post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
<BR>> everything that is noted.
<BR>>
<BR>> My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched
onto
<BR>> his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
<BR>> the mental trauma experienced by him.
<BR>>
<BR>> Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
<BR>> neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care
of this
<BR>> problem.
<BR>>
<BR>> After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull
owners
<BR>> began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky.
One
<BR>> sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you
the
<BR>> intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
<BR>> names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
<BR>> intelligence!)
<BR>>
<BR>> I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the
the
<BR>> seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
<BR>>
<BR>> FACTS:
<BR>> ^^^^^^
<BR>>
<BR>> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
<BR>>
<BR>> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs
and
<BR>> humans.
<BR>>
<BR>> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
<BR>>
<BR>> **These facts cannot be disputed.
<BR>>
<BR>> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
<BR>>
<BR>> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
<BR>>
<BR>> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
<BR>>
<BR>> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
<BR>>
<BR>> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
<BR>> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
<BR>> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
<BR>> heavily regulated.
<BR>>
<BR>> QUESTION?
<BR>> ^^^^^^^^^
<BR>>
<BR>> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
<BR>> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate
a
<BR>> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
<BR>>
<BR>> Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN
the
<BR>> Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally
out
<BR>> of control.
<BR>>
<BR>> Let your conscience be your quide.
<BR>>
<BR>> Kevin Shipler
<BR>> Los Angeles, Ca.</BLOCKQUOTE>
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Mrc5555
In article <343FC3...@ix.netcom.com>, Kevin Shipler
<kshi...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
>these dog groups.
We will hold you to it that this is your last attempt. The other word you
use that is very true is opinion. Many things that you say on these boards
is just that -- YOUR OPINION.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because something is
your opinion doesn't make it a fact no matter how passionate or dedicated
you are to your opinion.
I hope you find some peace of mind in some part of your life.
Marc
gr...@hartingdale.com.au
To anyone reading this below:
Is this guy a TROLL or just a fool?
On 12-Oct-97 04:19:56, Kevin Shipler assaulted All about PITBULLS - Babyillers
KS> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
KS> these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
KS> most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
KS> NOTATION:
KS> ^^^^^^^^^
KS> The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
KS> *Brian Hinkle
KS> *Joyce Roberts
KS> *Sandra Pover
KS> *Bob Maida
KS> *Terry McCauley
KS> These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
KS> post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
KS> everything that is noted.
KS> My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
KS> his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
KS> the mental trauma experienced by him.
KS> Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
KS> neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
KS> problem.
KS> After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
KS> began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky. One
KS> sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky. (This shows you the
KS> intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
KS> names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
KS> intelligence!)
KS> I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
KS> seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
KS> FACTS:
KS> ^^^^^^
KS> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
KS> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
KS> humans.
KS> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
KS> **These facts cannot be disputed.
KS> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
KS> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
KS> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
KS> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
KS> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
KS> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
KS> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
KS> heavily regulated.
KS> QUESTION?
KS> ^^^^^^^^^
KS> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
KS> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
KS> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
KS> Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
KS> Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
KS> of control.
KS> Let your conscience be your quide.
KS> Kevin Shipler
KS> Los Angeles, Ca.
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lawr...@cyberspace.com
dogsnus the cyber winch wrote:
>
> Kevin Shipler wrote:
> >
> > This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> Good! Im sick of listenging to a narrow minded bigot anyway.
> And one who can't cite real evidence to his ravings, to boot.
Ah, but Teri, Usenet is for voicing opinions. You seem to believe
everyone is a *bigot* when they don't follow your hidden agendas.
>
> I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
> > most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
> No, you never HAVE presented any hard facts, only hysterical
> concjecture. Read the National Enquirer, do you, for daily news??
What do you read Teri, the Leslie Mamer Newsletter? Your facts are
always distorted and full of lies.
>
> > NOTATION:
> > ^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
> >
> > *Brian Hinkle
> > *Joyce Roberts
> > *Sandra Pover
> > *Bob Maida
> > *Terry McCauley
> First, you cant even spell my name right, second, the surest way
> to get me to respond to a message is to tell me I can't. Ill
> respond to any damn message I choose to. Get it?
That's for sure. You have always been defiant. And you go out of your
way everytime to make an ass of yourself.
> > These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
> > post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
> > everything that is noted.
> Well, Im proud to be lumped into such noted authorities as you listed.
> I read hard core facts, Petey. Not fortune cookies like you do to
> see the facts of life...
And Teri doesn't even own a Pitbull....amazing isn't it?
>
> > My 13-year old neighbor was bitten by a loose Pitbull that latched onto
> > his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
> > the mental trauma experienced by him.
> Now, about that.. what the hell is a grown man like you doing exploring
> the developing body of a 13 yr old boy? You pervert.
Excuse me Teri -- you are a fucking liar! The person who posted a
pedophile story about this user was posting from an anonymous server.
Yet you continue to put so much validity in that bogus story. You
probably wrote it yourself.
> > Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
> > neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
> > problem.
> OIC, you have one pitbull in your perverted building and everyone
> bans the dog, instead of a pervert like you? Some building...
> Im deeply impressed....NOT!!!
There you go again. You sick bitch....slandering and libeling someone
you don't even know. And your sudden interest in Putbulls just amazes me
so much.
> > After my original message was placed here many (obvious) Pitbull owners
> > began launching a counter attack PR program to defame me and Ricky.
> Ive never owned a pitbull in my life moron. You deserve attacks for your
> perveted interests in the developing body of a young boy. Never mind
> the breed of dog involved!
Is that the anonymous story YOU wrote Teri? You must have. You keeping
bringing this up. Rot in hell bitch.
> One
> > sick person posted a pedophile story about Ricky.
> You.
No liar -- the story was posted from an anonymous server, as many other
stories were, about other users.
>
> (This shows you the
> > intelligence of an average Pitbull owner.) Many other owners called
> > names and claimed the incident never happened. (Another sign of super
> > intelligence!)
>
> You cant claim kin to this part of humanity.
>
> >
> > I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
> > seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
> >
> > FACTS:
> > ^^^^^^
> >
> > *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
> So have many cats, rottweilers, GSD;s, Goldens, ferrets, rats, snakes,
> AND parents, doofus.
> >
> > *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> > humans.
> Blowing smoke out your butt again eh?
You should know about that Ms. Mcauley. You have enough experience
sniffing Joe's asshole for a long time.
>
> >
> > Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> > which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> > councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> > heavily regulated.
>
> Thousands of us are and have already posted and made up brochures
> against the ban of pittbulls. We have been at it longer than you.
> We attend rallies and legistate when people like you attempt to
> ban a specific breed. We have more money than you, and a lot
> more access to the goverment than you. The logical outnumber the
> hysterical rantings of people like you.
> WE dont rely on hysterical bull CACA, we present FACTS!
But you tell lies, Teri. And when someone doesn't agree with you, you
get others (like Dogman) to erect websites in an attempt to harass and
intimidate the people who you don't like. You are a liar. Plain and
simple. Getting a little lonely out there without Dogman?
Yes -- the truth has surfaced.
Larry
Bob631
>
>This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
>these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
>most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
>
We all thank you for agreeing to stop spewing out the nonsense
>NOTATION:
>^^^^^^^^^
>
>The following persons are not allowed to respond to this message.
>
>*Brian Hinkle
>*Joyce Roberts
>*Sandra Pover
>*Bob Maida
>*Terry McCauley
>
>These people have proven themselves to be irrational users who never
>post the facts in an honest manner, but manage to confuse and twist
>everything that is noted.
As Brian pointed out, none of us('cept Brian) are Pit
owners. But we all have enough sense to realize it is a not
a breed problem. THere are bad pet owners everywhere. Start
jailing pet owners when their dog bites unprovoked and problem will
be solved
Bob Maida
lawr...@cyberspace.com
Cinnamon McGeehan wrote:
>
> Luckily, my name is not on the list of 'those who cannot reply'. I have
> been watching the debate of how pit bulls should be banned, and now how they
> are baby killers. I have a pit bull. Luckily, I have one that has not been
> inbred, one that we socialized and treated kindly. I agree with many people
> who write that say pit bulls are dangerous. They are. (Or at least have
> the potential to be). They are amazingly muscular, don't feel much pain,
> and have a bite worse than most. They were bred as fighting dogs, and, as
> anyone who owns outside cats, or watches the nature videos of lions, bears,
> sharks, etc... they kill things. ALL animals kill things. Why people are
> surprised to find their animal, cat or dog, killed something, is beyond me.
> They're ANIMALS. Of course it is horrendously tragic when an animal hurts,
> or kills a human. Unfortunately a lot of really stupid people own pit
> bulls, and a lot of owners WANT them to kill things - like people. I
> remember when everyone wanted to ban german shepards for the exact same
> reason. Next it'll be all those inbred, overbred poor dalmations that all
> the boneheads bought that can't handle the breed that'll go nuts and kill
> people. Pit bulls CAN be sweet, adorable, fun loving, big babies, (ours HAS
> to sleep in bed, under the covers, head on the pillow, cuddled up with my
> husband). And just like guns in the hands of either people who don't know
> how to use them, or people who WANT a destructive weapon, they can kill.
> Please no more posts about how dangerous they are. We know they are. But
> there IS another side to the story.
>
I enjoyed your story. It was well written and made others look at both
sides of this issue.
Larry
I luv pits
> I have a pit bull. Luckily, I have one that has not been
>inbred, one that we socialized and treated kindly.
You need to read more about breeding especially linebreeding and inbreeding,
as your statement is akin to saying "pit bulls have locking jaws"..... meaning
the inbred = mental problems is also untrue. If you have stable temperaments
in your breeding stock, you run a less likely chaance of producing unstable
dogs by line breeding and occasional inbreeding that by scatterbreeding and
mixing lineages.
> I agree with many people
>who write that say pit bulls are dangerous. They are. (Or at least have
>the potential to be). They are amazingly muscular, don't feel much pain,
>and have a bite worse than most.
What "side" are you on again? Yes, a POORLY bred and irresponsibly owned APBT
will pose a threat to humans moreso than a cranky cocker spaniel, but
eliminating the poorly bred specimens and wrong owners will give us back the
dogs we had 20 years ago, before all this crap started about "viciousness".
>They were bred as fighting dogs, and, as
>anyone who owns outside cats, or watches the nature videos of lions, bears,
>sharks, etc... they kill things. ALL animals kill things. Why people are
>surprised to find their animal, cat or dog, killed something, is beyond me.
Doesn't matter if they are of fighting dog background when discussing prey
drive. Any terrier still possessing spirit wants to kill vermin, want to
course and run down prey, etc etc. Even mix breeds delight in chase and often
kill. Has nothing to do with being a fighting breed.
Wendy Browne
Urban Legend American Pit Bull Terriers
Breed Information and Breeder Referrals Happily Given
***AST and APBT National Rescue***
Fight Breed Specific Bans, visit my website to learn how.
http://members.aol.com/iluvpits/index.html
Ann Lettis
From the Cincinnati Law Review pages 1067-1081
"...report found that sixteen different breeds were responsible for
seventy-three fatal attacks on people. Pit-bull dogs were responsible
for six fatalities, the same number as Great Danes. Statistics on dog
bites also demonstrate that pit bull dogs are not uniquely dangerous.
The Cincinnati Health Department investigated 478 dog bites, involving
thirty different breeds. This investigation found that pit bull dogs
were responsible for only about seven percent of the injuries to
people".
The above is not opinion but fact - If anyone wants a copy call the AKC
and ask for their Canine Legislation Packet (free of charge) and you
will see similar statement within the packet. Uninformed opinions only
keep the hype going, as Wendy always says, "know the facts", quite a
difference I would say.
ANN - SI, NY, USA
let...@webtv.net
angelqa allen
I tthink Humans do alot worse to other humans, for absolutly no reasons
are we going to start breed banning them?Everyone must take precautions
no matter what breed, or where you or your children are. Freedom is what
this country was "supposed" to be about. In your neighborhood alone how
many children are getting molested behind closed doors amd you don`t
even know it?? Scary thought huh??
zgu...@telusplanet.net
Kevin Shipler wrote:
>
> This will be my last attempt to voice my opinions about Pitbulls on
> these dog groups. I have presented evidence that Pitbulls are one of the
> most dangerous breeds now in existance, if not the most dangerous.
>
>
> his hand and Ricky required stitches and hand surgery, not to mention
> the mental trauma experienced by him.
isn't only Pitbulls that are guilty for attacks on people. Dalmatians,
German Shepherds, cocker spaniels, and even Labrador retrievers have
bitten people, and these breeds have been listed as number one biters in
certain communities. I'm sure that every breed has a member that has
bitten someone. My point is that dogs are dogs, and pits are no
different, and it is because of irresponsible owners that dog bites
happen. The owner of the dog that attacked the child was very
irresponsible and foolish to let such a dog run loose in the streets.
>
Since this was not the only Pitbull that has ever terrorized our
> neighborhood, many of our neighbors banded together to take care of this
> problem.
>
>(snip)
>
> I supposed these ignorant owners feared that my efforts my lead the the
> seizure of the animals so they lashed out as loudy as possible.
> Probably, because there are good Pit Bull owners who do love and cherish
their dogs. The Pit bulls that do attack people are owned by people
who do not, and who get them to use as attack animals. If these
people can't own Pit bulls, then they will switch to another breed.
> FACTS:
> ^^^^^^
>
> *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
>
> *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> humans.
Which is very horrible, and something must be done. Stricter animal
abuse laws, and leash laws in cities could help remedy this problem,
as would dangerous dog laws that aren't breed specific. German
Shepherds, Alaskan Malamutes, Rottweilers, Chow Chows, Wolf hybrids,
Akitas, Siberian Huskies, mixed breeds, Maremma Sheep dogs, Doberman
Pinschers and many other breeds have inflicted fatal wounds on people,
so banning Pits won't remedy the problem. Dogs who do inflict
serious wounds on people usually have been abused, mistreated or
neglected or used improperly as attack dogs, so stricter animal abuse
laws could help.
>
> *Pitbulls are banned in some countries.
>
Just because it's done somewhere doesn't mean it's right.
> **These facts cannot be disputed.
>
> Then I read ridiculous stories like:
>
> 1. "My pits would never hurt anyone."
>
> 2. "I sleep with five pits- they are loveable."
>
> 3. "You don't know what you are talking about."
A Pit bull is a dog, and if a dog is raised properly, it will most
likely be a loving companion.
>
> Here is my final opinion. Our committee has printed a color brochure
> which outlines the problems with Pitbulls. We are approaching mayors,
> councils, and municipalities and *demanding* that Pitbulls be banned/or
> heavily regulated.
>
> QUESTION?
> ^^^^^^^^^
>
> Would you feel comfortable if an armed criminal roamed your streets
> firing a gun at innocent bystanders? Then why would nayone tolerate a
> dangerous Pitbull attacking humans and others animals?
> I would not tolerate it, which is why I support city leash laws and
responsible dog ownership. Any dog can be made aggressive.
> Ask yourself that question. Please encourage all legislators to BAN the
> Pitbulls in your communities, before this epidemic becomes totally out
> of control.
But other breeds of dogs have hurt people, so don't you think a general
dangerous-dog law would be more effective? Like you said before, many
Pit owners do use their dogs for corrupt purposes, so if Pits were
banned, these people would just use another breed. It's because of
abusive, ignorant and irresponsible owners and breeders that tragic
dog bites do occur.
>
> Let your conscience be your quide.
>
> Kevin Shipler
> Los Angeles, Ca.
I agree that something must be done to decrease the number of dog bites
that occur, but any dog of any breed has the potential to be a biter.
Educating people on how to properly choose and train a dog, leash
laws in cities, zero tolerance on animal abuse and non-breed specific
dangerous dog laws could help. Please don't take this as a flame, I'm
just trying to state why I thing banning Pit bulls won't decrease the
number of dog attacks.
Jessie Z.
Muffy (Maltese/Poodle), Duncan (Lab/Husky) and Roly (Lab/Beagle)
Heather Pace
On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 00:38:24 -0500, Tony Taco <Tony...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I have never seen Golden Retrievers with drug dealers. Have you?
>
>Tony
>
No. Of the two drug dealers I happen to know, one owns a cat, and the
other owns a poodle.
Denna Lasik
"Hearing only what you want to hear, and knowing only what you've heard..."
Please remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying.
I do not feed or play with trolls; I reserve that honor for those I care about;
i.e., my dogs. For a list of those known trolls that you may wish to avoid, please see:
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/plains/4120/oddsnends.html
krei...@mail.csrlink.net
On 1997-10-12 Tony...@hotmail.com said:
>I have never seen Golden Retrievers with drug dealers. Have you?
>Tony
I dunno. I don't patronize their establishments. I wouldn't know
how to recognize a drug dealer. Oh! I know! They're the ones without
the Goldens, right? (g)
Bob K
Tony "Taco" Gambrini
dogsnus wrote:
>
> gr...@hartingdale.com.au wrote:
> >
> > To anyone reading this below:
> >
> > Is this guy a TROLL or just a fool?
> Terri
Take a look in the mirror.
Tony
dogsnus
someone in the lab
Tony "Taco" Gambrini wrote:
You moron. It must be nice to have the world seem so simple and
clear-cut. But you should try living in the Real World sometime - it's
not too bad once you get used to it... of course, you have to actually
*think* once in a while.
someone in the lab
zgu...@telusplanet.net wrote:
>
> Kevin Shipler wrote:
> > *The majority of Pitbull owners use their dogs to attack other dogs and
> > humans.
>
> Which is very horrible, and something must be done.
The *first* thing that must be done is for Kevin to provide _evidence_
for this *fact*. I don't believe it. Any documentation?
someone in the lab
Tony Taco wrote:
>
> I have never seen Golden Retrievers with drug dealers. Have you?
I *suppose* you're referring to this exchange:
> > > *Pitbulls have killed small children and babies.
> >
> > Gee, following that logic I guess we should ban Golden Retrievers,
> > too.
My *point* was that dogs of probably *every* breed have been
responsible for the deaths of "small children and babies". Your
*point* seems to be that a dog breed favored by dangerous people must
be classified as dangerous. I disagree, needless to say.
BTW, I have a collie mix and a beagle, but I DO NOT support bans on
*any* breed of dog (except maybe Chows <-- JOKE!!) Probably more chows
than "pit bulls" have killed children, yet I don't think even they
should be banned (except by good taste ;-)
Re: formatting. Please stop sending *two* copies of each post - and
lose the HTML formatting.
Tony "Taco" Gambrini
>
> >I have never seen Golden Retrievers with drug dealers. Have you?
> >
> >
>
> No. Of the two drug dealers I happen to know, one owns a cat, and the
> other owns a poodle.
> Denna Lasik
>
> "Hearing only what you want to hear, and knowing only what you've heard..."
>
> Please remove "NOSPAM" from address before replying.
>
> I do not feed or play with trolls; I reserve that honor for those I care about;
> i.e., my dogs. For a list of those known trolls that you may wish to avoid, please see:
> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/plains/4120/oddsnends.html
Well, poodles are very dangerous aren't they? ha!ha!
Tony
Tony "Taco" Gambrini
> >Tony
>
> how to recognize a drug dealer. Oh! I know! They're the ones without
> the Goldens, right? (g)
> Bob K
Drug dealers and users wear "Baggy pants".
Tony
Sue
Dear Tony:
You laugh at poodles being dangerous? ha! I guess you have never been a
dog groomer.......I can show you the scars I have from those things...but,
hmmm...I don't seem to have one scar from a pit bull....
I'm sorry...any breed can bite and any breed can be vicious..its
irresponsible pet owners that create the problems. Chalk it up to
ignorance, denial, or just plain not giving a damn. I have been "in the
business" for over 15 years...and have met some of the nastiest dogs (large
& small) you would ever want to meet (and some of the nastiest owners too).
I just had to laugh at the back and forth comments. Sorry :)
Suzi
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Tony
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Bob631
>There you go again. You sick bitch....slandering and libeling someone
>you don't even know.
Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?? 99.99% of your
posts(Dejanews shows it) needle taunt or harass?? Just what is
your purpose here??
You do not seek advice nor give any that is credible or worthwhile,
yet have no problem harassing those that do. What gives??
Just what is your problem??
Why can't you just let us be instead of wreaking havoc, pissing
everyone off and just ruining this group with your "free speech"??
Bob Maida
Sslew1
>Well, poodles are very dangerous aren't they? ha!ha!
>
>Tony
Well Tony, for your information, my 2 1/2 y.o. daughter interacts with
American Pit Bull Terriers on a daily basis and has never been hurt by any of
them. But, when she was visiting my parents, their miniature poodle grabbed
her hand while she was petting her. Now this dog may not be dangerous to an
adult, but she sure did leave a scar on my little girl's hand. My parents did
absolutely nothing about it, and even continued to let the dog growl at her on
several occasions after this happened. It took me telling them that I would
not allow my daughter to visit for them to actually do something about their
dog. And to this day, even with the scar on her hand, they say, "Oh Angel
(their poodle) couldn't hurt a fly."
And for those of you who think APBTs are nothing but babykillers, check out
this site: http://members.aol.com/sslew1/pitkid.html
Andrea Press
Eyetrap Kennels American Pit Bull Terriers
"http://members.aol.com/sslew1/index.html"
Anjie
Sue <s...@mail2.theonramp.net> wrote in article <34419...@208.136.0.6>...
> Dear Tony:
>
> You laugh at poodles being dangerous? ha! I guess you have never been a
> dog groomer.......I can show you the scars I have from those
things...but,
> hmmm...I don't seem to have one scar from a pit bull....
You too? I have a few from poodles as well, and a scar on my side from a
poodle who decided that my hand wasn't close enough while I was trimming
his cap. Cheers to another dog groomer who looks like a kielbasa after
getting a tan. :) I also have NOT 1 bite OR scratch scar from a Pitbull.
I have groomed a number of them, including one named She-Ra, who was
exceptionally strong, but very willing to do whatever it was she had to do.
> I'm sorry...any breed can bite and any breed can be vicious..its
> irresponsible pet owners that create the problems. Chalk it up to
> ignorance, denial, or just plain not giving a damn.
90% of the time it's the idiot holding the leash that's the problem, not
the dog attached to it. If the dog is a problem, it's usually from lack of
training, or improper training.
I had to reply to your post. As a groomer you know exactly what I mean.
How many times has "Sweet Pea", the cute little poodle/Bichon/cocker, come
in for a groom, only to fang and growl when you tried to take him out of
the crate, try to rip your hand off when you cut his nails, try to eat
through the basket muzzle to get to your arm, and try to jump up and take
out your eye as soon as you try to trim his muzzle? Then, the owner comes
back, and says, " Ohhh, Sweet Pea, I'll bet you were the BEST boy!!" only
to be shocked, and tell you that he's never done anything like that before
when you relate that Sweet Pea was NOT the best boy. Six months later, when
Sweet Peas owner calls for another appointment, since she's gone to, and
been asked not to return to, two other grooming shops, beg for an
appointment. When you deny her she states, " All you groomers are just mean
to him!" ( sigh ) Ahh, yes, the joys of grooming. :) Anjie,
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/3694