Reflexive Thinking
The Puppy Wizard
Reflexive thinking is when a reflexive behavior
overrides all other thoughts. The reflex behavior
happens pretty much all on it's own, like when
you flinch if something is thrown at you.
With training you can override that reflex to catch
or deflect that which is coming towards you, and
with a few repetitions that trained behavior will
become your new reflex.
The brain wants to reflex to it's most resourcessful
states. It's a form of self reward, if you will.
That gets the entire everything in order and
learning and memory retrieval are maximized.
That we can PREDICT a dog's reflexive behaviors
gives us the OPPORTUNITY to effectively interrupt
those behaviors AS THEY'RE BEING TRIGGERED,
to effectively distract that thought with a
CONDITIONED brief, variable, sound, INSTANTLY
followed by PROLONGED, SINCERE, EXUBERANT, NON
PHYSICAL PRAISE.
The procedure is repeated until that undesirable
behavior is fully extinguished. Should only take
a few repetitions and then we repeat the process
in several different venues to generalize and
habituate the new desired behaviors.
During the extinguishment process, often other
undesirable behaviors are selected by the dog
as possible alternate behaviors. PRAISE THOSE
behaviors.
Although they may be undesireable, if they are
preferable to the original behavior, we may be
able to accept it temporarily, and then you can
choose to use the techniques to beak that
inappropriate alternate behavior once the inital
REALLY bad behavior is extinguished.
Example. The dog ordinarily attacks people coming
in the front door. We interrupt and praise the attack
and the dog jumps up on the couch and barks at them.
THAT'S GOOD. He's not attacking. If we can tolerate
him on the couch for a few moments, we can allow
THAT inapproprate behavior to take the place of the
attack behavior, till we have jumping on the couch
and barking as the replacement behavior to attacking.
Then we break the dog of getting on the couch and
barking. So he may stand on the floor and bark. Fine.
We'll tolerate that for a few minutes till we're ready
to address any barking. At that time the dog may take
to jumping back on the couch, so at this time, we might
want to break him of that behavior as we are going to
eliminate ALL inappropriate behaviors, but in their order
of importance and in relation to our situation.
Here's HOWE my student's break ANY behavior problem
in a few minutes. HOWE bout you take this opportunity to
meet my Disciple Paulie?
He'll teach you HOWE to train your critters to naturally
want to do everything you ask.
Our dog lovers call these people LIARS::
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpa...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03 22:18:03 PST
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out of a cat bowl
without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls although
Roz licks up any bits that have been dropped around the bowls
:-)
I used a can with stones in it to create a distraction
anytime the dogs tried to eat the cats food, followed
with immediate praise. It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually there is
food left over but the dogs don't eat it, even if we go
out and leave the dogs with access inside through a dog door.
Paul
--
Obedience and affection are not related, if they
were everyone would have obedient dogs.
See the dogs, cats, us and pics of NZ etc at my homepage.....
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/paulbousie/index.html
Updated regularly (last time 23 Jan 01) so keep coming back!!!
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"Paul B" <pan...@zfree.co.nz> wrote in message
news:3c2a...@clear.net.nz...
> Bollocks, the manual has no dangerous suggestions at
> all, people who find the manual useful are those that
> don't need to control a dog to satisfy their own ego
> but simply want a well behaved dog that is easy to
> live with. I would suggest the people who follow the
> advice in his manual are people who have already
> tried other inefficient methods and are fed up with
> the poor results.
> The more I think about the methods he suggests the
> more sense it makes, the biggest problem is people
> believe they have to be in control of the dog, tell it
> whats right and wrong, dogs don't understand
> our values and I don't believe they are capable of
> understanding them either, so to train them we use
> methods they understand. That means abstract
> training, doing sometimes what appears to
> almost be the opposite of what makes sense to us.
> If you are purely result orientated then you will not
> find Jerry's manual much use, if you love your dogs
> and love to work WITH them then his manual is
> your dream come true. Distraction and praise works
> with any dog, when you sit back and really think about
> it, it's very obvious why.
> When a dog is properly distracted (and praised) of a
> particular behaviour then that behaviour very quickly
> becomes unfulfilling so the dog will no longer have any
> interest in pursuing it, whether we are about or not,
> thats the key to stopping garbage can raids and food
> stealing etc etc, no force, no bad dog, just distracting it
> in an appropriate manner that it no longer wishes to
> pursue that behaviour.
> Better than hiding the garbage can eh?
> Paul
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Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Paul B (NOSPAMpa...@clear.net.nz)
Subject: Good dogs!!! bad dogs.??
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
View this article only
Date: 2000/10/21
Something occurred this morning that made me think how
we treat our dogs and what expectations we have of them.
Because it was a Saturday we slept in and the dogs
eventually jumped up on the bed on my wife's side. After
a brief greeting she very abruptly demanded they get down,
"OFF THE BED" she insisted, Sam looked at her perplexed,
so she repeated the "order", so Sam tried to lick her face,
"GET OFF" she said abruptly.
Sam got down but was unsure what he had done wrong. After
a bit they both came over and jumped up on my side, I patted
them etc and eventually asked them to get down, "off the bed,
good dogs" and they hopped off immediately with no prob's.
Eileen asked me why they obey me and not her so easily.
I told her they got down for me because I asked them to,
they know the command "off the bed" or "off anything" so
there is no need to demand it of them, ask them and they
will comply, demand it and they get confused because
they think you are annoyed with them but they don't know
why so they try to "make amends" which is why Sam licked her.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all, all
dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they are
good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog after he sit's apart from been too
late is also a gamble because if he doesn't sit then there's
no positive interaction. Trust your dog, ask it to do your
request and say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request
and I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.
Paul
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From: Paul B (NOSPAM...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Paul.
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"melisande" <melis...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rLo08.751$0H.5...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on
> your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much
> that, well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical grade
static like stimulation devices and pronged spiked pinch
choke collars our "experts" here love so much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin
> with (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only the way they're
misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques
> (he's an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom
> people say, "dogs really like him." He's
> never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks who are gentle
and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain HOWE the
distraction and praise process works from his POV as an
experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Pattng is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with a
command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
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Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').
Best, ben
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Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his
business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one
of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed
animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but
I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.
Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!
===================
Jeremy writes:
"A customer recently purchased a Shiba Inu and I suspect
she may be in for a wild ride. This is a breed that I suspect
may respond particularly well to mutual respect style
training.
The alpha complex (as I now call it) is likely to
really provoke the dog's naturally competitive nature.
Thanks 1000 times for opening my eyes and don't let
those assholes get you down. I can't be the only person
that sees the sense in your methods. I'm in Windsor,
Ontario, Canada and pass your info to anyone it might
help" Thanks, Jeremy.
================
From: Becky (Beck...@new.rr.com)
Subject: Re: Crate Anxiety
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 2002-04-04 12:56:23 PST
Try Jerry Howe's training manual and check out his Doggy
Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
Or Two Did Too) machine....it is for this.
Please do not listen to the others in here that don't like
him or his methods, they have never tried them....I have
and it works!!!!
I broke my dog from nipping almost 100% in 1 day and
she usually does this SEVERAL times a day and actually
makes my kids bleed!
Try it or contact him! The manual is at the above website
also, and it is free!
Becky
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"Hoku Beltz" <ho...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10...@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Aloha Sunny,
> Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter
> how insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy
> will be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
> I would seriously consider backing out of the training
classes
> as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
> I went the training route first, and still had problems
> until
I
> found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
> You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.
> Good luck,
> Hoku
==================
----- Original Message -----
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
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"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com wrote
in message
news: pjaootcg8dgrptuu9...@4ax.com...
I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a
bit of the literature suggested I needed to assert
my dominance and "make the dog earn everything it
gets."
I tried this once or twice, just by taking a stern
tone of voice, and the results were terrible.
The pup got scared and just wanted to stay away from
me.
That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE
Wits' End Dog Training manual -- that and the fact
that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this:
make yourself the center of your puppy's world -
- his personal Lord Jesus. Never give him a reason
to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do
anything I want her to, if she understands, because
she trusts me 100 percent, and nothing is more
important in her world than her relationship
with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Charlie
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Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
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----- Original Message -----
From: George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D.
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: [GVS]doggydoright
I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the
"doggiedoright"device.
If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to
quieten thedogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal
present for them - andhe will sell it at a discount.
He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at
all about money. Nice, nice man.
"doggydoright" may be obtained from jho...@bellsouth.net
I now have four locations at which the thing has worked,
so I recommend it.
Yap yap yap no more! I have zero financial interest in this.
George
============
Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
The Puppy Wizard. <TPW;~)
puppyhelp
Brilliant Post!
This morning, I decided everyone would have
their dogs come back immediately when called.
6 new young dogs racing around the park ...
at first the three terriers were
running rings around the boxer, lab and red-setter... but
before long they all took turns in 'touch-tail, tumble'.
'Call your dogs', says I.... and so they did, but the
pup-dogs were having far too much fun. So, we had a
little discussion... walked the family pack exercise,
and tried again. Success! but one lady said 'I read
what you suggested and tried it at home, but he came
charging in, and jumped up'. Yes, I said... one thing
atta time..... reminds me of when I was taking a first
aid course, and when questioned about a certain technique
for reviving heart beat, the St. John's chap said "Nothing's
more important than him being alive".
Great Post Jerry!!! Thanks.
best regards,
Marilyn
>
The Puppy Wizard
Thank you marilyn. HOWEver, you are in peril of being
killfiled for not snipping text and trimming cross
posts and not putting NINNYBOY in the header.
Was matty mistaken or just plain LYING, marilyn?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author:
"Courteous Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make
the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which
we
> > > want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very
sorry
> > for her and her family.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a
quote
> > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe's heavily
edited
> > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > or using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Is that true, Marilyn?
Of course not~ but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the
dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his
ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into
his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the
snout with the heel of your palm.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1...@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training.
If you
> are interested in training retrieval behavior than do
consider
> our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered,
Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day
> by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and
dog
abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe
There
Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is
Anything
But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to choke
or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good
working dog by
making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl
who continues:
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars
here who
> are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained
require much more frequent and heavy application of
pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and
the
job is not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or
do it
yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to
striking them more sharply
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,
even the
buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give
in
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the
ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting
your will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,
As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When
the
dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally
reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops
it, chuck
it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is
getting
tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43...@earthlink.net>
rhur...@earthlink.net
writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find the book.. they
don't have these
>> books in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find
Koehler?
>I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both new and used books on
its shelves. You can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE
(0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right outta your
koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its face for 5 seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar and leash
are more than adequate for any jerk or strain that the
dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where
the dog makes his grab. Before the teeth have reached
their target, the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover his footing while
he still had the strength to renew the attack would be
cruelty. The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength nor
inclination to renew the fight. When finally it is obvious
that he is physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground, he will
probably stagger loop-legged for a few steps,
vomit once or twice, and roll over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued, on his side,
is not pleasant, but do not let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would regard the
foregoing types of protest as "kid stuff" and would
express his resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these extreme problems.
Nearly always the "protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that the dog might
resent, has nurtured the seeds of rebellion and then
cultivated the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable and oftentimes
painful harvest, they are ready to avail themselves of "the
cruel trainer" whose advice they may have once rejected
because it was incompatible with the sugary droolings of
mealy-mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies, and dog
psychologists who, by the broken skins and broken hearts
their misinformation causes, can be proven guilty of the
greatest act of cruelty to animals since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the biting dog than
would ever be demonstrated by those who are "too kind"
to make a correction and certainly with more disregard for
his safety, the professional trainer morally feels obligated
to perform a "major operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with the dog that bites
in resentment of the demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later chapter we will deal
with the with the much easier problem of the dog that bites
someone other than his master."
This'll explain MOORE:
HOWEDY Matthew,
rabin...@hotmail.com (Matthew Rabinowitz) wrote in
<e15828d5.02102...@posting.google.com>:
> Jerry,
> I'm fairly new to this newsgroup,
Welcome?
"Fairly new" always puts my antennae up around here abouts,
if you know what I mean. Let's face it, HOWE can anyone be
a "lurker" and not know what's goin down here?
> but I've been reading a lot of threads (both new and old).
Good. I've written on every dog behavior related topic I
can think of, including some NOBODY'S ever thought of
before. I've learned a lot from posting here. What's best,
everything here is archived forever, so there's no mistakin
nuthin...
>I'm also a new puppy owner!!
Excellent. Study your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual and you'll raise a perfect
puppy effortlessly, GUARANTEED, sworn to in Elf and
Werewolf BLOOD. Ask me if you need any extra help.
> (The most beatiful little Weimaraner girl in the world :) ).
Excellent! That's a dog I like. They do have a tendency to
be rather HYPER, HOWEver.
> Since I'm new to all this, and being an information sponge, I
> want to read as much as I can so that I can be the best
> "parent" to my puppy.
AS STATED: "Excellent. Study your FREE copy of my FREE
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual and you'll raise a perfect
puppy effortlessly, GUARANTEED, sworn to in Elf and Werewolf
BLOOD."
> My way of going about it is to research various methods,
You won't benefit from all the reading in the world, beyond
your 100% proven fast safe gentle effective FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual. Just ask me if you need
any extra help.
> opinions
This isn't a matter of opinion or preferences, this is just
HOWE it is.
> etc and form my own conclusions (with the help of my Vet)
Your vet could greatly benefit by studying his FREE copy of
my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual... Have
him call me if he has any questions.
> as to the best way to train our puppy.
There's no question that my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method is the worlds fastest, safest, gentlest, most effective
method for training all dogs for all behaviors... bar none,
GUARANTEED, sworn to in Elf and Werewolf BLOOD.
> I've actually read your Wits' End manual. I'll admit i
> haven't read it from beginning to end,
That certainly won't endear you to The Puppy Wizard.
The Puppy Wizard HATES a lazy student. Ask anybody.
> however I have found some of the techniques you
> discuss interesting and helpful
My method is not intended to be picked apart like a BBQ
chicken. It's a GESTALT. That means every element of
the philosophy and method work together to support the
whole concept to get 100% total non physical control
in a few minutes over a couple of days, without stress.
> Having said that,
HOWE could you ask for MOORE? There ain't no moore.
I'm talking about 100% TOTAL non physical control and
100% cooperation and mutual admiration. You don't get
no better than that, UNLESS it's from your wife and kids,
which you WILL ACHIEVE, if you follow my philosophy.
> I'm completely turned-off by the attitude
It's a jungle in here, Matthew. This is a war zone. We're
not playing games here, Matthew. This is the proving
grounds for the death of an industry. Pull up a ringside
seat, you're watching history being made.
> and narcisism in your posts on this newsgroup.
I expect and get 100% satisfaction from my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual students. You are either
for, or against, that. There's no PREFERENCES or CHOICES.
You've got two directions you can possibly go when you
arrive here, Matthew. You can do what I teach, or you can
bribe and fight with your dog and jerk and choke and lock
your dog in a box and shock and spray aversives in his
face like the rest of my critics do to their dogs that fight
and chase kats and need to be muzzled to have their
nails clipped and bolt through doors and use their
HOWES as a latrine and destroy everything in sight
and eat garbage and swallow stuff and get surgery
like janet boss and stan the man and diddler have
all been through cause they can't stop correcting,
punishing and trying to force their dogs to behave.
> Not everyone who *doesn't* follow your ideas is a dog-abuser.
I thought I just made that clear? Perhaps you don't understand,
Matthew. ANYBODY who tries to correct or bribe or force dog
behaviors CAUSES behavior problems through their efforts to
repress natural, instinctive, reflexive behaviors and causes
their dog's behavior problems, Matthew.
All dog behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> I'm sure you can agree with this.
No, I'm very sorry for you, Matthew. One cannot disagree
with The Puppy Wizard and be a member in good standing
in the animal behavior / dog lover's community, cause my
methods do rely on techniques that can cause inappropriate
responses and do not allow for mistakes of mishandling that
GETS some dogs, DEAD, Matthew. We're talking about life
or death matters here, Matthew, NOT PREFERENCES.
> However, you constantly call people dog-abusers, dim-wits etc
etc,
The people I OFFEND here are proven liars and dog abusers,
Matthew. Perhaps you hadn't noticed that? Our dog lovers are
predominantly koehler and pronged spiked pinch choke and
shock collar fans, Matthew. They hurt and kill dogs and lie
about it, Matthew. You've been reading our posts? You haven't
notice all the DEAD DOGS we've entertained here? Those dogs
are DEAD on account of your pals here LYING to the posters
when they write in looking for HELP with problems, Matthew.
Ask Disciple Paul or Misty HOWE it was when they wrote in with
their problems? They were told I was a liar and a fraud and my
methods are dangerous and ineffective by our pals roo and ed
w of http://www.petloss.com . That got Misty to delay studying
her FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual and got her dog Peach DEAD on her, Matthew.
Your PALS here tell our new readers to KILLFILE Jerry
cause Jerry's a LIAR, Matthew. You know that's not true,
don't you, Matthew?
In fact, you know those Jerry calls liars and dog abusers
indeed ARE, liars and dog abusers JUST HOWE Jerry sez,
ain't that right, Matthew?
No, that's not right, that's DEAD WRONG Matthew,
and now the Genie is outta the lamp, and there's no
stuffin him back inside.
> including people who have asked innocent questions.
You mean LURKERS, Matthew? When folks haven't written
in for months, they may LOOK like new posters with innocent
questions, but in any case where I've ATTACKED them, it's
been on account of they've been playing grab ass with our
lying dog abusing Thugs and THAT'S HOWE COME they got
their behavior problems, like that Mastiff a couple weeks ago
attacking the Lhasa because of a HOWESbreaking problem
that was treated by spaying... PREDICTABLE and PREDICTED,
Matthew. Same with that Golden Retriever belonging to sammy
this week. The problem is not the dogs, it's the mishandling
our
EXPERTS teach, Matthew. Our behaviorists are full of CRAP,
Matthew. I've PROVEN THAT.
Just like tara o killin her dog Summer and every DEAD DOG
we've ENTERTAINED HERE since Robert Crim killed his
Wonder Dog Fritz, Matthew.
Your PALS called him a LIAR and a PAID SHILL for Jerry
when he discovered my FREE Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual is the one true path to K-9 Enlightenment,
Matthew.
> Remember Jerry,
No, YOU remember Matthew. You remember our Disciple Chad,
our THEOLOGICAL ESTHETICIAN tellin people my student's
TESTIMONIALS are FORGERIES? Of course you do, he's
still pullin that crap along with the rest of our Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Thugs, Matthew.
What kind of BULLSHIT is THAT, Matthew? That's the most
despicable behavior I can imagine, WOULDN'T YOU AGREE,
Matthew? That's a YES or NO answer, Matthew.
That's the kind of reprehensible people you're defending,
Matthew. Doesn't look good at all for you, Matthew. "You're
judged by the company you keep," my Daddy always sez, Matthew.
The Puppy Wizard's Daddy is always right, Matthew.
You ain't gonna call The Puppy Wizard's Daddy a liar, are you,
Matthew?
> there is no such thing as a stupid question,
There is when we've been through it till my fingers bleed,
Matthew...
There are when those STUPID QUESTIONS are raised on account
of our Lying Dog Abusing Thugs MISADVISING people here,
Matthew.
There are when those STUPID QUESTIONS GET DOGS DEAD, Matthew.
> only stupid answers.
Your pals here can't even train their own dogs not to
raid their garbage bins, Matthew. They can't train their
own dogs not to bark excessively in their own yards,
Matthew. They can't even contain their own dogs behind
their shock fences, matthew. Hole digging, fence jumping,
door bolting, dog fighting, NUTHIN, matthew. You been
READIN OUR FORUM?
You know what's up then, don't you, Matthew.
> I guarantee you that if you removed the name-calling
> that people would actually listen to what you are posting
> instead of putting you in their killfile.
Killfile Jerry, Matthew. You fit the profile of The SYNDROME.
>Again, I find your techniques interesting, and would
>definitely want to try some of them out,
Your pal roo and ed w of http://www.petloss.com will tell you
my methods are DANGEROUS and INEFFECTIVE, and Jerry's
a LIAR, Matthew.
Our professor dermer will taunt and then killfile you if you
report an INSTANT CURE for separation anxiety or
aggression or any of the REPORTED INSTANT CURES
for SERIOUS BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS my 100% nearly
instantly successful FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual students OFTEN REPORT, Matthew.
You can't put knowledge into a mind that has no room to
accept it. Our dog lovers don't have the intellect to outwit
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog, Matthew. I've
PROVEN THAT too, matthew.
> but I refuse to listen to someone who's posts are demeaning
> and rude.
You'd rather listen to our LIARS and dog abusers, Matthew?
Is that what you're sayin? That's HOWE it sounds to The
Puppy Wizard, Matthew.
>Instead, I will find someone with similar views as you,
BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! GO TO HEEL, Matthew.
I got a DEAL with the DEVIL. My methods are the most effective
in the whole wide world, Matthew... GUARANTEED.
You ain't gonnna GET LUCKY elsewhere, Matthew. That's
HOWE COME I can afford to be arrogant and narcissistic.
I've EARNED THAT RIGHT through 40 years of HARD WORK
NOT HURTIN DOGS, Matthew.
> but doesn't have to resort to repetitive name-calling to get
a
> point across.
Your PALS have been calling my 100% nearly instantly successful
FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual students LIARS and
PAID SHILLS for Jerry and FORGERIES by me, and tellin new
posters to KILLFILE my methods because Jerry's a FRAUD and
a LIAR, Matthew.
You gonna accept that? FINE BY ME. I came here PREPARED
to identify, expose, and DISCREDIT our experts, Matthew.
> regards,
Don't let the door hit you in the heel on the way out...
Matthew.
> Matthew.
he...@puppyhelp.co.uk (puppyhelp) wrote in
<847ec4c0.02111...@posting.google.com>:
puppyhelp
> Thank you marilyn. HOWEver, you are in peril of being
> killfiled for not snipping text and trimming cross
> posts and not putting NINNYBOY in the header.
You're Welcome. I do what I feel best at the time, prepared
to take the consequences, and learn from them if appropriate.
> Was matty mistaken or just plain LYING, marilyn?
Mistaken
> "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And
> Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few
> Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
> author:
> "Courteous Canine."
Should anything we're told to do to our children and pets make us
cringe, then in my opinion we should not do them.
> "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
> your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as
> possible. What does this mean?
>
> When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
> spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
> away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
> ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
I've heard about this method. I wouldn't advise anyone do it.
> --Mike Dufort
> author of the zero selling book
> "Courteous Canines"
>
> > > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make
> the
> > > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which
> we
> > > > want to do.
>
> > > And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter
> > > what Jerry Howe states.
People do hit and hurt their dogs, and their children. Hopefully,
one day, there will be restrictions and laws protecting our future
generations and other species from the aggressive behaviours learned
and accepted by our human race.
> > > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> > > You're scary Marilyn.
>
> > > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
Hostility disturbs me.
> I feel very
> sorry
> > > for her and her family.
Hostility disturbs my family too, but we have learned to deal with it
reasonably well.
> > > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a
> quote
> > > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe's heavily
> edited
> > > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting
> > > or using an abusive form of training.
Every day I see and hear about forms of training and teaching that I
consider
abusive. However, it's usually not the intention of an individual
to cause harm nor suffering. Mostly, these methods derive from views
passed down (points of view and opinions) that have been accepted as
appropriate and affective, but put together with little or no
consideration for the long-term consequences. Several years ago I
learned that in order for someone to realistically discuss their own
points of view and be taken seriously, it's necessary to substantiate
them. My point of view is that it's not necessary, nor appropriate to
teach in a way that causes intimidation, fear, or emotional and/or
physical pain...
and further more, if it's not appropriate nor necessary, why do it
when there
are effective and reliable methods available to us all, that do not do
this?
best regards,
Marilyn Bergeman
puppyhelp
dfrnt...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
news:<20021118081248...@mb-bh.aol.com>...> >he...@puppyhelp.co.uk
(puppyhelp) wrote:> >My point of view is that it's not necessary, nor
appropriate to> >teach in a way that causes intimidation, fear, or emotional
and/or> >physical pain...> >and further more, if it's not appropriate nor
necessary, why do it> >when there> >are effective and reliable methods
general. Hi Leah,I'm glad you read my post. > However, since dogs are such
individuals, there are *some* cases in which these> methods do not work, and
*some* type of aversive needs to be used. I beg to differ Leah. I've not
found a pup yet, that's failed to understand consistency, reliability,
respect, trust and intelligent communication. > For a mild example, every
trick in the book failed in teaching Madigan not to> jump up. Did you try
my suggestions? > I finally resorted to shaking a penny can behind my
back. Why? > This> disturbs her enough so that she immediately puts her
feeties back on the> ground, and is the *only* method that has worked to
discourage her from jumping> up in general. You frightened her? > After
two years of reward-based methods, suddenly I have found> a simple, yet
still humane, "miracle cure." :} Frightening dogs is not a miracle cure
Leah. > For some dogs, a squirt in the face with water is the only
effective way to> stop barking. Poppycock Leah.... forgive me, but this is
not true. > For a more severe example, snake-proofing a dog - you just
don't have the> luxury of using methods that take repetition and proofing I
kept snakes Leah... 6 of em...... with 3 dogs. I didn't need to hurtmy dogs
to teach them what is and what is not safe within their environment. > to
work if you live> in rattlesnake country, when one mistake can be fatal. I
may live in Sunny England Leah, but I've travelled worldwide....Africa,
America, India and Australia..... I've walked through forestswith snakes, an
d I've never ever been attacked by one. Perhaps mytime's not up.... or
perhaps it's true that most species (other than man)do not attack without
provocation. > You need to use> something that is sufficiently aversive -
even painful - so that the dog avoids> snakes from the get-go as if his life
depends on it. Because it does. We are the chosen species Leah... the ones
who can think things outand use higher intelligence. If we need to resort to
using painful techniquesto teach species with lower intelligence, then we
surely are not able, qualified nor equipped to fulfil our role on this
planet? > I do have a problem with people choosing general behavior
training (like> heeling) with a choke collar over reward-based methods,
though. Robot style teaching is probably a thing of the past Leah. > Both
teach the> dog the same thing. One uses fear of reprisal, the other
expectation of reward> while also fostering the belief that "all good things
come from my owner." > IMHO, there is no fathomable reason why the more
"pleasant" method wouldn't be> used. Sorry, I don't understand what you're
saying.... > At the same time, even this method - and the one I believe
you use - uses> *some* aversive training. If you can find an aversive in my
method please tell me... I'll eliminate it. >When you change direction on a
dog suddenly, he gets> an unpleasant jerk on the neck that shows him he has
to pay more attention to> where you're going, doesn't he? There's no jerks
using my method Leah.Marilyn Bergeman
Jerry Howe
She's broken your bones pullin you down
chasin a other critter... didn't she. Just like
carol levie's and di's dogs did to them despite
booby maida's competitor's classes with the
pronged spiked pinch choke collar.
BEAR THAT IN MIND, suja. <TPW;~:}
See "BROKEN RIB."
"Suja" <span...@nhgri.nih.gov> wrote in message
news:3DDA8C55...@nhgri.nih.gov...
>
> Jenn wrote:
>
> >
> > No matter how many times I take the dog and walk along with the dog
> > perfectly, all the while I'm picking my feet up high and slapping my leg
and
> > saying, "Good boy! Good dog! You're just doing perfectly,YAY! Keep it
up,
> > keep it up," (and more inane babble), the humans just WON't do this in
> > public!
>
> You assume that the dog cares. That is simply not true with lots of
> dogs. While I agree with your basic premise that people should do what
> they can to make themselves more interesting to their dogs, it is to me
> too simple minded that this would work with every dog.
>
> Suja
Jerry Howe
If you liked that, you'll LOVE this:
> Hi Jerry,
> Thanks for taking the time to e-mail me back.
My pleasure. I'm always available for you by email, msn
at doggyd...@hotmail.com or phone. Phone: 1-888-WITSEND
(1-888-948-7363) 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686) 407-425-5092
> We did give him replacement toys to chew on,
> thanks for reminding us not to do that.
Right. We WANT to TEMPT him with the real deal, that way
we can make a VARIABLE BRIEF sound distraction INSTANTLY
followed by prolonged, sincere, exuberant, intermittent praise.
PRAISE EVERY BAD BEHAVIOR BEFORE HE DOES IS, that'll
probably change his mind, but if it doesn't, the next attempt at
misbehavior should be addressed with a sound/praise.
> I don't really think that he is actually doing that for attention
> because he would still chew on things he's not supposed to
> chew even if we're around him.
That's what I mean by 'for attention.' He WANTS you to stop
what you're doin and chase him around over it. Just be
CASUAL, give praise, then a sound and praise, and an
alternate sound and praise. If you can allow another
attempt at the behavior so you can distract him continue.
If the behavior is TOO BAD to work on techniques for a
few more attempts, ask him to come praising immediately
and pat him once or twice when he gets to you. Follow the
technique for the come command if he doesn't come immediately.
THEN ALLOW him THE OPPORTUNITY to attempt to resume the
inappropriate behavior so you can resume the EXTINGUISHMENT
TECHNIQUE.
> I do have some question, my husband said that perhaps we
> could use a water pistol and spray it on him when he's
> chewing on something he's not supposed to chew on.
Absolutely not. ANY negative attention will reinforce the
behavior. Our goal is to INTERRUPT the THOUGHT as
it's forming with brief sound and praise, and the behavior
will EXTINGUISH because it's not been fulfilled, so he'll
choose another behavior of HIS choice...
> I think it is similar to the distract and praise technique you mentioned.
It would be, except the negative attention will TEACH HIM
to CONTROL YOU!
When we REPRESS behaviors we're teaching him to do
that behavior when you're not standing there to punish him.
If he wants something bad enough like your breakfast sittin
on the table, repressing it will teach him to take it as soon
as you turn your back.
Also, when behaviors are repressed, they will likely change
to other, seemingly non related, probably worse, behaviors.
Once he learns he can "get you going," he'll pull every trick
in the book to command your negative attention just to watch
you get up off your EZ chair and chase him around for stealing
something, OR he'll take it right there in front of you and run
and swallow it on the go.
Those events are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. Don't let him
make YOU break the technique, cause he'll straighten out fast
if you follow the rules. He already knows he'd rather keep you
chasing and watching him. Follow the methods and he can't
pull NUTHIN on you that you can't control through the conditioning
of the distract/praise and praise in advance.
NEVER SAY NO! Never scold, admonish, reprimand, NOTHING
NEGATIVE EVER, and he'll ALWAYS do exactly as you ask.
> What we thought is that we'd just use the water pistol and praise
> him when he's not chewing on it anymore.
That's HOWE COME dogs do things they REALLY WANT,
behind our backs. REMEMBER, we're askin him to settle for
a few seconds of praise instead of playing "chase me around
the HOWES 24/7" with EVERY THING he can find.
Don't "puppy proof" everything. Leave things out you can
use as training props. When he looks like he's fixing to
take the steak off the table, praise, if that didn't stop him,
make a brief variable sound distraction followed by
prolonged non physical praise and interrupt his next
though of stealin that steak and the next thought, and
the next thought, till that DESIRE for the steak is EXTINCT.
THEN, move the steak to another place setting at the table
and REPEAT the process. And MOVE IT AGAIN, and repeat
the process. Do that just a few times at each place setting
at the table, and he'll NEVER take from the table unless you
tell him to take it.
Then move the table with the steak to another location in
the room, and repeat. Then repeat the process in another
room... and then another location. THEN, YOU'RE DONE.
He'll never take what he's not offered.
> Do you think it would work Jerry?
It'll probably backfire. Once he learns you're not able to
correct him when you're not there, he's got you. Play it
smart, don't give him any ammunition he can use against
you. Follow the techniques. You're welcome to call or have
your husband call and I'll be happy to demonstrate the
techniques over the phone.
> Thank you again for the advise.
My pleasure. Do the Hot & Cold and Family Leadership
Exercises and install the come command as a conditioned
reflex. Once you have that, you'll always be able to control
him, but the idea is to LET HIM choose his own alternate
behaviors by simply interrupting and NON PHYSICALLY
praising him with each sound distraction for 5-15 seconds.
> Best Regard,
Likewise.
The Puppy Wizard. <TPW;~:}
"The Puppy Wizard" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:92CA74...@216.168.3.30...
> HOWEDY leah,
>
> "Leah" <dfrnt...@aol.comMURK-OFF> wrote in message
> news:20021118081248...@mb-bh.aol.com...
>
> > >he...@puppyhelp.co.uk (puppyhelp) wrote:
>
> > > My point of view is that it's not necessary, nor
> > > appropriate to teach in a way that causes intimidation,
> > > fear, or emotional and/or physical pain...
>
> EXACTLY. This NEVER varies. There's NO exceptions, unless
> we're prepared and intend to KILL the offender if necessary,
> and then the solution is to MAKE IT COUNT, like it sez in our
> koehler book.
>
> That's HOWE COME our "experts" kill their best dogs.
>
> > > and further more, if it's not appropriate nor necessary,
>
> Never is. But we'll NEVER rid ourselves of our incompetent
> doubletalkers who NEED to hurt and kill dogs because they
> FEAR them... Why else would anybody CHOOSE to HURT
> a dog, unless they are prepared to KILL it?
>
> > > why do it when there are effective and reliable methods
> > > available to us all, that do not do this?
>
> Our EXPERTS do so because they're born cowards. They
> cover up for their cowardice by LYING about their motives.
> That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard is here to put them
> OUTTA THIS BUSINESS.
>
> > I agree with this, in general.
>
> That's NICE leah, but "in general" means INCONSISTENT.
> INCONSISTENT means UNSCIENTIFIC and INEFFECTIVE.
>
> INEFFECTIVE means YOU'LL HURT and KILL DOGS, to
> be FAIR.
>
> > However, since dogs are such individuals,
>
> For SHORE, Dogs are individuals. Individual dogs respond to
> effective scientific non force non physical psychological
> and scientific CONDITIONING techniques according to the
> SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
>
> Scientific conditioning and desensitization techniques
> MODIFIES individual's behaviors CONSISTENTLY,
> according to the SCIENTIFIC CRITERIA of REPEATABILITY
> and CONSISTENCY.
>
> Or, they aren't MEETING scientific criteria and are therefore,
> UNSCIENTIFIC, INEFFECTIVE, INAPPROPRIATE, and LIES.
>
> > there are *some* cases in which these methods do not work,
>
> There are some individuals who are not competent or
> knowledgeable and do not possess the intelligence to
> FLOLLOW the SCIENTIFIC TECHNIQUES, and are
> therefore unable to outwit the cunning of the domestic
> puppy dog.
>
> > and *some* type of aversive needs to be used.
>
> ONLY when they RUN OUT of INTELLECT, IDEAS,
> METHODS, and INFORMATION.
>
> The expert THEN relies on PAIN, FEAR, FORCE, INTIMIDATION,
> CONFINEMENT, BRIBES, AVOIDANCE, and EUTHANASIA.
>
> > For a mild example,
>
> There's NO grey areas to Right and Wrong.
>
> Either a method is RIGHT for ALL dogs, or it's WRONG for
> ALL dogs. THAT is in keeping with the SCIENTIFIC CRITERIA
> of REPEATABILITY and CONSISTENCY and NOT KILLING
> the top 10% of our dogs, the ones we CAN'T intimidate or
> HURT enough to make them RESPECT our AUTHORITY.
>
> > every trick in the book failed in teaching Madigan not to jump up.
>
> RIGHT! That's HOWE COME you HURT your dog since day one.
> You got the wrong book, OR you don't have the INTELLECT to
> apply the techniques as INSTRUCTED.
>
> EFFECTIVE scienitific methods trains all dogs CONSISTENTLY.
>
> > I finally resorted to shaking a penny can behind my back.
>
> Wonderful... THAT'S INAPPRORPIATE, INEFFECTIVE, and
> CONTRAWISE.
>
> > This disturbs her
>
> INDEED! You're using the sound as an aversive. You failed
> to understand or follow the TECHNIQUES.
>
> > enough so that she immediately puts her feeties back on the
> > ground, and is the *only* method that has worked to discourage
> > her from jumping up in general.
>
> Once again, "in general" means INCONSISTANT and
> INEFFECTIVE and UNSCIENTIFIC and INAPPROPRIATE
> for ALL dogs.
>
> If you were using the "method" according to the scientific
> technique, you'd have TRAINED the behavior, in a few mintues.
>
> > After two years of reward-based methods,
>
> You're a LIAR. You've NEVER used non violent methods.
> You failed. You failed to apply the TECHNIQUES puperly.
> You failed to follow all of the instructions. You failed to
> even tell the truth.
>
> You've HURT your dog since day one, THAT'S HOWE COME
> she's bitten you 4 times and destroyed your HOWES and marriage.
>
> HOWE can you expect to continue this "discussion"
> if you're gonna LIE?
>
> There's NO discussing these matters with LIARS and
> DOG ABUSERS who's ONLY INTENT is to DEFEND
> HURTING dogs to compensate for your colossal fragile
> defective ego, inferiority compelxes, and childish,
> fearful, insidious, vicious, weak, mind.
>
> > suddenly I have found a simple, yet still humane, "miracle cure." :}
>
> Oh? Please do share! I'll be THRILLED to TEST your methods
> and PUBLISH them with full credit to the "genius who enlightened
> us."
>
> > For some dogs, a squirt in the face with water is the only
> > effective way to stop barking.
>
> That's IDIOCY. Dogs bark because of anxiety. When
> we REPRESS dog's NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE
> REFLEXIVE responses to situations of their environment
> which WE create for them, those behaviors CHANGE to
> OTHER, often worse, seemingly unrelated behaviors as
> TRAINSFER or REPLACEMENT behaviors.
>
> > For a more severe example, snake-proofing a dog -
>
> EXCELLENT! When you have NO method, you RELY
> on FEAR to JUSTIFY HURTING DOGS. That's the
> hallmark of a koehler Thug coward lying dog abusing Thug.
>
> > you just don't have the luxury of using methods that take
> > repetition and proofing to work if you live in rattlesnake country,
>
> That's SEVERAL lies, all in a row. That's GOOD! That's
> CONSISTANT! That's SCIENTIFIC! That means your LIES
> is EZ to DISPROVE!
>
> That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard enjoys being a
> scientific dog trainer (like Muhammed Ali was a SCIENTIFIC
> BOXER). The Puppy Wizard relies on the koehler method
> to retrain our dog lovers... Certainly, killing the top 10% is
> NOT a concern, IN FACT, that's the DESIRED EFFECT.
>
> > when one mistake can be fatal.
>
> INDEED? One mistake CAN be fatal. Here's your MISTAKE:
> You're an incompetent lying dog abusing Thug COWARD,
> and THAT'S CONSISTANT with lying to JUSTIFY HURTING
> DOGS.
>
> > You need to use something that is sufficiently aversive -
> > even painful - so that the dog avoids snakes from the get-
> > go as if his life depends on it. Because it does.
>
> INDEED? That's HOWE COME your dogs do things BEHIND
> YOUR BACK! That's HOWE COME you can't train dogs NOT
> to countersurf, steal garbage, bark, chew, whatever...
>
> Like your pal janet boss trained Franklin not to steal and
> swallow anything he can find? That's HOWE COME he
> steals things and SWALLOWS them BEFORE he can get
> CAUGHT and BE HURT, for TAKING them.
>
> > I do have a problem with people choosing general behavior
> > training (like heeling) with a choke collar over reward-based
> > methods, though.
>
> INDEED? You're consistant. You're a LIAR, a DOG ABUSER,
> and a COWARD..
>
> > Both teach the dog the same thing.
>
> INDEED?
>
> > One uses fear of reprisal,
>
> You mean fear of the "trainer." You mean fear of getting
> CAUGHT. You mean fear that the CONTROLLER will
> HURT him... and THAT'S HOWE COME dogs have
> separation anxiety, fear of thunder, car sickness,
> hyperactivity, self mutilation, seizures, intestinal and
> digestive disorders, and all OCD behaviors.
>
> > the other expectation of reward
>
> Dogs DO NOT think of REWARDS for PAST behaviors.
> If you believe you CANNOT punish a dog UNLESS CAUGHT
> IN THE ACT, you'd ALSO NECESSARILY BELIEVE that
> you cannot REWARD dogs UNLESS CAUGHT IN THE ACT
> of THINKING of the behavior.
>
> CATCH 22.
>
> > while also fostering the belief that "all good things come
> > from my owner."
>
> NO. You're a LIAR and a DOG ABUSER and a COWARD.
>
> > IMHO,
>
> INDEED? Your opinion is that of a LIAR and DOG ABUSER
> and a COWARD, leah.
>
> > there is no fathomable reason why the more "pleasant" method
> > wouldn't be used.
>
> Oh yeah? Try this: "YOU'RE A LIAR and a DOG ABUSER
> and a COWARD."
>
> > At the same time, even this method - and the one I believe
> > you use - uses *some* aversive training.
>
> Oh yeah? That's NOT our method, not even close.
> Try this: "YOU'RE A LIAR and a DOG ABUSER
> and a COWARD."
>
> > When you change direction on a dog suddenly, he gets
> > an unpleasant jerk on the neck
>
> Oh yeah? There's NEVER to be ANY physical contact.
> Physical contact TRIGGERS the OPPOSITION REFLEX.
> Gettin jerked on the lead causes MISTRUST and FEAR
> and ALIENATES dogs, and makes them HYPERACTIVE
> and OUT OF CONTROL and GOT YOU BITTEN 4 TIMES
> by your own HYPERACTIVE, OUT OF CONTROL dog.
>
> Try this: "YOU'RE A LIAR and a DOG ABUSER and a COWARD."
>
> > that shows him he has to pay more attention to
> > where you're going, doesn't he?
>
> NO. It teaches them YOU DON'T CARE, and that you'll
> HURT him as YOU DESIRE.
>
> YOU'RE A LIAR, a DOG ABUSER, and a COWARD.
>
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