"Newfie is a slang word, please call it Newfoundland Dog
Scott Barrett
Hello Everyone:
Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a Chinesse
(sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----. So please, please
refer to our beautiful dogs as Newoundland Dogs not "Newfie"
I know its just a dog but it does not matter to us, we are all
Newfoundlanders- whether it be a dog or a human. :)
Wanda
St. John's, Newfoundland
Toni
As one of the aforementioned, offenders--I truly apologize for any faux
pas. I think highly of your wonderful breed & promise "never again" !!!
D.L. Breig
In article <35470442...@firstcity.net>,
Scott Barrett <sbar...@firstcity.net> wrote:
>Hello Everyone:
>
>Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
>people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
>you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
>take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a Chinesse
>(sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----. So please, please
I dont quite think it is like that, maybe it is more like "yankee" and
"rebel". It doesnt not refer to your inate personal heritage.
I go to ga tech, so I am a "techie" or a "tech dork" but in all I am proud
of who I am and where I got to school. I dont think that "Newfie" is
slander in any way. Unless you hate where you live why would you mind
being called a "Newfie"?
--
The growth of understanding follows an ascending spiral rather than a
straight line -Joanna Field
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt1912a
BoxHill
>>Hello Everyone:
>>
>>Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
>>people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
>>you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
>>take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a Chinesse
>>(sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----. So please, please
>
>I dont quite think it is like that, maybe it is more like "yankee" and
>"rebel". It doesnt not refer to your inate personal heritage.
>
>I go to ga tech, so I am a "techie" or a "tech dork" but in all I am proud
>of who I am and where I got to school. I dont think that "Newfie" is
>slander in any way. Unless you hate where you live why would you mind
>being called a "Newfie"?
SInce Wanda hails from Newfoundland, and you don't, perhaps you should just
take her word for it!
Janet
//Dear Artemesia! Poetry's a snare:
//Bedlam has many Mansions: have a care:
//Your Muse diverts you, makes the Reader sad:
//You think your self inspir'd; He thinks you mad.
D.L. Breig
In article <199804291325...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
BoxHill <box...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>SInce Wanda hails from Newfoundland, and you don't, perhaps you should just
>take her word for it!
>Janet
I am all for treating people with respect and abiding by their wishes, I
just dont really understand why it is such a bad word??? What is the
stereotype that goes along with "Newfie"???? Were all the orginal
Newfoundlanders dirty people or something and it became this big Canadian
Joke??? Is it akin to calling italian immigrants "degos" because they
obtained the stereotype of not being able to hold a job? I would like to
know the history. If it is just becuase they dont think the word is
sophisticated enough, then it's pretty stupid. BUT if there is a valid
historical reason that this word is considered .
Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
E.D. and C.L. WATT
Wanda, sorry you took offense to the term, but I use it only when
speaking to other Newfoundland owners. In every book I read it has also
used this term. If anyone asks how many dogs I have I always say, "3
and a Newfoundland". Don't you think we're carrying this PC stuff a
little to far? Incidentally, you got me on that Pakistan one.
BoxHill
>>SInce Wanda hails from Newfoundland, and you don't, perhaps you should just
>>take her word for it!
>>Janet
>
>I am all for treating people with respect and abiding by their wishes, I
>just dont really understand why it is such a bad word???
Neither do I. But what difference does that make? I don't know why "Polack"
came into use as an insulting terms either, but I would never consider using
it.
>stereotype that goes along with "Newfie"???? Were all the orginal
>Newfoundlanders dirty people or something and it became this big Canadian
>Joke??? Is it akin to calling italian immigrants "degos" because they
>obtained the stereotype of not being able to hold a job?
"Dago" as a perjorative predates Italian immigration to the US. The
"stereotype" you cite--which is a new one to me--had nothing to do with it.
>I would like to
>know the history. If it is just becuase they dont think the word is
>sophisticated enough, then it's pretty stupid. BUT if there is a valid
>historical reason that this word is considered .
Look, the reason may be stupid in your eyes or mine. That doesn't matter. The
point is that if the use of the term wounds someone, the considerate individual
avoids using it.
>
>Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
I thought you indicated that quite clearly. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Ronnie Bounds
Well folks, maybe I'm dumb, but I have a rare breed called a Norwegian
Lundehund. When I hear them referred to as a Lundie I just think it's
kinda cute.
Maybe I need to be offended....... Lundie, Newfie, what's the big dif.
BoxHill <box...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199804291556...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
J.A. McCulloch
BoxHill wrote:
>
> Look, the reason may be stupid in your eyes or mine. That doesn't matter. The
> point is that if the use of the term wounds someone, the considerate individual
> avoids using it.
>
So, of course you do not use any diminuitive form of a word. You do not
use any corrupted derrivative of a word from a foreign language. You do
not use an abbreviated of partial proper name - "Vegas" for Las Vegas,
"Frisco" for San Francisco, N.Y.C. for New York City.
Right?
Now you can type:
am but is . Then did when
? If is to .
are ! Yet , or
.
(without fear!)
Gary & Layle
WOUNDS???? That's a pretty strong word!
J.A. McCulloch <xx...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<35475A...@concentric.net>...
Chris Kosmakos
Scott Barrett (sbar...@firstcity.net) wrote:
:
: I know its just a dog but it does not matter to us, we are all
: Newfoundlanders- whether it be a dog or a human. :)
I think there is a difference in usage. WHile I would never think or
refer to a human as a "Newfie" (or repeat a Newfie joke, for that
matter), it is a very common usage in the dog world, just as "lab" is
for Labrador Retriever. It is an accepted shorthand that has no
connection to a diminutive for a place name.
Lynn K.
Lisa Baird
Ronnie Bounds wrote:
> Maybe I need to be offended....... Lundie, Newfie, what's the big dif.
>
We've also been told it is not PC to call our Portugeuse Water Dogs "Porties".
Do you KNOW how much easier Portie is than PWD?
Lisa
D.L. Breig
BoxHill (box...@aol.com) wrote:
: "Dago" as a perjorative predates Italian immigration to the US. The
: "stereotype" you cite--which is a new one to me--had nothing to do with it.
The story goes as such... they come, they do, dego. At least that is how it
was explained to me by my american history teacher in high school. I could be
wrong, but the only people I have ever heard called such were workin class
italians. I would never use it to reference anyone. I bring this up merely
for discussion purposes, of course.
: Look, the reason may be stupid in your eyes or mine. That doesn't matter. The
: point is that if the use of the term wounds someone, the considerate individual
I am not going to call this person a "Newfie" I just wanted to know why.
:
>Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
: I thought you indicated that quite clearly. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Actually, I am a pollack from Philly with a mick father. I've never been to
Newfoundland, but I am moving to calgary in the fall. Right now I live in
Atlanta, were I have picked up a redneck accent and learned to eat fried chick
en for every meal (you can do that in the south and nobody bats an eye)
Marcia Sakrison
Scott Barrett wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone:
>
> Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
> people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
> you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
> take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a Chinesse
> (sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----. So please, please
>
> Newfoundlanders- whether it be a dog or a human. :)
>
> St. John's, Newfoundland
Dear Wanda --
Yup, I'm definitely an offender! I had no idea that, to some folks,
this shortened name might be unacceptable. (I thought it was similar
to calling my Doberman Pinscher a "dobie", which is quite acceptable.)
Thanks very much for this posting! I'd prefer to avoid offending
anyone when the adoption of a needy dog may hang in the balance.
Marcia Sakrison
sakr...@sr.hp.com
Nancy E.Holmes or R. Nelson Ruffin
Well I call my female dogs bitches and refer to some of my male dogs as
studs do you also find that offensive? Why on earth should what someone
calls a dog be offensive to a person when its obvious they are not
referring to you?
Nancy
Scott Barrett <sbar...@firstcity.net> wrote in article
<35470442...@firstcity.net>...
Scott Barrett
Wrong.
When you refer to Vegas, Frisco or N.Y.C. you are referring to a place. When we talk
about Pollocks, Newfies etc we are referring to people. There is a big difference.
When someone tells you they are offended by a particular name you should respect
their wishes whether you know the "full history" or not. Its like me calling you a
a#* h***, how would you like that? Its just not polite, is it. Like Janet said, if
someone is offended by a particular name, people should avoid using it. But then
again there is ALWAYS one or two people who have to put their two cents worth in who
don't agree.
Wanda
St. John's, Newfoundland
J.A. McCulloch wrote:
> BoxHill wrote:
> >
> > Look, the reason may be stupid in your eyes or mine. That doesn't matter. The
> > point is that if the use of the term wounds someone, the considerate individual
Scott Barrett
This guy is not a Newfoundlander......
A Newfoundlander would know the difference.
Wanda
St. John's, Newfoundland
BoxHill wrote:
> >>SInce Wanda hails from Newfoundland, and you don't, perhaps you should just
> >>take her word for it!
> >>Janet
> >
> >I am all for treating people with respect and abiding by their wishes, I
> >just dont really understand why it is such a bad word???
>
> Neither do I. But what difference does that make? I don't know why "Polack"
> came into use as an insulting terms either, but I would never consider using
>
> >Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
>
> I thought you indicated that quite clearly. Sorry if I misunderstood.
>
Puddysmomm
Although I would never try to offend someone by using a term that would
hurt them.....we ARE talking about dogs after all.I think this "Politically
Correct" stuff is getting a little out of hand.
R.
Scott Barrett wrote in message <35470442...@firstcity.net>...
>Hello Everyone:
>
>Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
>people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
>you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
>take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a Chinesse
>(sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----. So please, please
>refer to our beautiful dogs as Newoundland Dogs not "Newfie"
>
>I know its just a dog but it does not matter to us, we are all
>Newfoundlanders- whether it be a dog or a human. :)
>
Mary Healey
Scott Barrett <sbar...@firstcity.net> wrote:
..
>When you refer to Vegas, Frisco or N.Y.C. you are referring to a place. When we talk
>about Pollocks, Newfies etc we are referring to people.
Nope. Newfies are dogs, not people. Aussies are Australian Shepherds (an
American breed), not human inhabitants of Australia. Scotties are
Scottish Terriers, not citizens of Edinburgh. The only Pollack I can
recall is Sidney Pollack, the director.
> There is a big difference.
Yup. Newfoundlanders are people, Newfies are dogs.
>When someone tells you they are offended by a particular name you should respect
>their wishes whether you know the "full history" or not.
Nonsense. I make every effort to avoid perjorative slang when referring
to humans - but dogs are not humans.
> Its like me calling you a a#* h***, how would you like that?
I call my dog a son-of-a-bitch. It happens to be true. Referring to a
female canine as a bitch is correct, whereas referring to a female human
in the same terms is rude.
M.
Naomi Rivkis
In article <35477525...@firstcity.net>, sbar...@firstcity.net
says...
> When you refer to Vegas, Frisco or N.Y.C. you are referring to a place. When we talk
> about Pollocks, Newfies etc we are referring to people. There is a big difference.
> When someone tells you they are offended by a particular name you should respect
> their wishes whether you know the "full history" or not. Its like me calling you a
> a#* h***, how would you like that? Its just not polite, is it. Like Janet said, if
> someone is offended by a particular name, people should avoid using it. But then
> again there is ALWAYS one or two people who have to put their two cents worth in who
> don't agree.
Actually, nobody on this thread has indicated they would use the term
"Newfie" to refer to a person. They use it to refer to a dog. That said,
there are people from any given group who object to a particular term
and others who don't; in fact, fairly often, there are people who object
to the term the first contingent insists on instead. If someone tells me
they don't like a particular term for their own people I will not use it
to that person or about that person. If the next guy from the same place
throws the word around casually himself and indicates he doesn't mind it,
I probably will, and don't see anything wrong with that. You call
individuals what they want to be called, and that includes calling one
individual what that person wants but another might object to.
> Wanda
> St. John's, Newfoundland
-Naomi
--
"Death has no redeeming social value. It can therefore
accurately be labelled obscene."
Harry Davidow
Amber Smith
Chris Kosmakos wrote:
> Scott Barrett (sbar...@firstcity.net) wrote:
> :
> : I know its just a dog but it does not matter to us, we are all
> : Newfoundlanders- whether it be a dog or a human. :)
>
> I think there is a difference in usage. WHile I would never think or
> refer to a human as a "Newfie" (or repeat a Newfie joke, for that
> matter), it is a very common usage in the dog world, just as "lab" is
> for Labrador Retriever. It is an accepted shorthand that has no
> connection to a diminutive for a place name.
>
> Lynn K.
>
> --
> chri...@netcom.com
Not to mention that it hardly seems right to refer to all Newfoundland
dogs as Newfoundlanders as they aren't all born in Newfoundland. I mean,
I wouldn't call a Briard who was born in the United States a "Frenchman"
just because his breed originated in France.
Amber Smith
jd...@ix.netcom.com
Doug Tricarico
In <35470442...@firstcity.net> Scott Barrett
<sbar...@firstcity.net> writes:
>
>Hello Everyone:
>
>Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
>people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
>you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
>take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a
Chinesse
>(sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----. So please, please
>refer to our beautiful dogs as Newoundland Dogs not "Newfie"
>
>Newfoundlanders- whether it be a dog or a human. :)
>
>St. John's, Newfoundland
You're kidding, right?
I've always heard "Newfie" or "Newf" used as terms of endearment, even
by some Newfie owners.
If you are not posting in jest, this does seem a tad anal-retentive.
or should that be "anie-retentie?"
Curious: Do Shetland Sheepdog owners object to "Sheltie?" Or
Rottweiler owners object to "Rottie?" Or Scottish Terrier owners to
"Scottie?" Or Australian Shepherd owners to "Aussie?"
Doug
...who's never heard a Pakistani called anything other than that.
Doug Tricarico
In <35477525...@firstcity.net> Scott Barrett
<sbar...@firstcity.net> writes:
>
>Wrong.
>
>When you refer to Vegas, Frisco or N.Y.C. you are referring to a
place. When we talk
>about Pollocks, Newfies etc we are referring to people. There is a
big difference.
>When someone tells you they are offended by a particular name you
should respect
>their wishes whether you know the "full history" or not. Its like me
calling you a
>a#* h***, how would you like that? Its just not polite, is it. Like
Janet said, if
>someone is offended by a particular name, people should avoid using
it. But then
>again there is ALWAYS one or two people who have to put their two
cents worth in who
>don't agree.
>
>St. John's, Newfoundland
However, Wanda, it seems you are the only one who is offended by this
name, even among other Newf owners. Hence the backlash against your
previous post.
Doug
...who's still wondering what the hell a pejorative for a Pakistani
person could be.
Doug Tricarico
In <35475A...@concentric.net> "J.A. McCulloch"
<xx...@concentric.net> writes:
>
>BoxHill wrote:
>>
>> Look, the reason may be stupid in your eyes or mine. That doesn't
matter. The
>> point is that if the use of the term wounds someone, the considerate
individual
>> avoids using it.
>>
>> Janet
>
>So, of course you do not use any diminuitive form of a word. You do
not
>use any corrupted derrivative of a word from a foreign language. You
do
>not use an abbreviated of partial proper name - "Vegas" for Las Vegas,
>"Frisco" for San Francisco, N.Y.C. for New York City.
>
>Right?
>
>
> am but is . Then did when
> ? If is to .
> are ! Yet , or
>.
>
>(without fear!)
I was once scared by the story of the hitchhiker with a hook, so please
stop using question marks, too.
Doug
Doug Tricarico
In <199804291556...@ladder03.news.aol.com> box...@aol.com
(BoxHill) writes:
>
>>>SInce Wanda hails from Newfoundland, and you don't, perhaps you
should just
>>>take her word for it!
>>>Janet
>>
>>I am all for treating people with respect and abiding by their
wishes, I
>>just dont really understand why it is such a bad word???
>
>Neither do I. But what difference does that make? I don't know why
"Polack"
>came into use as an insulting terms either, but I would never consider
using
>
>>stereotype that goes along with "Newfie"???? Were all the orginal
>>Newfoundlanders dirty people or something and it became this big
Canadian
>>Joke??? Is it akin to calling italian immigrants "degos" because they
>>obtained the stereotype of not being able to hold a job?
>
>"stereotype" you cite--which is a new one to me--had nothing to do
with it.
>
>>know the history. If it is just becuase they dont think the word is
>>sophisticated enough, then it's pretty stupid. BUT if there is a
valid
>>historical reason that this word is considered .
>
>matter. The point is that if the use of the term wounds someone,
>the considerate individual avoids using it.
>
>Janet
My first girlfriend was named Janet, and seeing her name makes me feel
bad. Please stop signing your posts until you change your name.
Doug
Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together
>I was once scared by the story of the hitchhiker with a hook, so please
>stop using question marks, too.
I've decided that we shouldn't call my dogs Golden Retrievers. First of all,
gold is mined under terrible conditions. To name a dog after this element
is mean. Second of all, as Malcolm the moron has pointed out, hunting is
mean. Retrieving is not something that should thus be gloryfied. Thus, I
think I'll call them Butterscotch Animals that Carry Stuff in their Mouth.
Nope, that won't work...butter is evil and filled with fat. And animal is
a value judgement, and one I shouldn't make. How about Thing of Yellow
Color. Nope, that's no good either. Who am I to say that they are all
yellow?
Maybe we can just call them "Things With Four Paws"? (sorry about that
hook thing there Doug) Nope...some of them have three paws.
I'm stumped (sorry again Doug). Maybe we can call them Newfies? That word
doesn't seem to be used any more...
Ann, Twzl & Sligo
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
D.L. Breig
In article <35477525...@firstcity.net>,
Scott Barrett <sbar...@firstcity.net> wrote:
>about Pollocks, Newfies etc we are referring to people. There is a big difference.
>When someone tells you they are offended by a particular name you should respect
>their wishes whether you know the "full history" or not. Its like me calling you a
I didnt say I'd use it.... BUT WHY IS IT SO DAMNED OFFENSIVE?
D.L. Breig
In article <35477611...@firstcity.net>,
Scott Barrett <sbar...@firstcity.net> wrote:
>This guy is not a Newfoundlander......
>
> A Newfoundlander would know the difference.
First off, I am female.
Secondly, please tell me what the difference is so that I know the
difference.
Thank you,
Dana Lyn Breig
D.L. Breig
>Let me shed some light here on Canadian prejudices -
>(1) If there is a breed called a Nigerian Terrier, will it be okay
>to call it a "Nigger"??? Of course not! Along the same lines,
>"Newfies" are considered EXXXXXXTREMELY dumb and stupid by other
THANK YOU
That is all that I wanted. I am still curious of the history, but if no
body feels like telling me, that is fine.
My dog used to be a little bitch, but I got that fixed.
PS your referencing SUCKS
CCCPUPS
Fascinating! I call my French Bulldogs Frenchies. Some people even call them
Froggies. To my knowledge, the dogs have never taken offense. If anything,
they enjoy being addressed.
Catch me calling a person of French extraction (howzat??) a Frenchie or a
Froggie?? NEVER!
<BR>
Charlotte Creeley<BR>
http://members.aol.com/cccpups/index.html
H. Paul Jacobson
On 29 Apr 1998, Mary Healey wrote:
> Nope. Newfies are dogs, not people. Aussies are Australian Shepherds (an
I thought Aussies were Australian Terriers, a breed that originated in
Australia. Or should we AT owners call our little wonders 'Ozies'?\
Paul (and Zathras)
E.D. and C.L. WATT
Thank you, thank you, thank you! If you don't write comedy for a living
you should! It was great seeing what I feel is an appropriate twist on
this whole "Newfie" thing. I know no one from Newfoundland, I've never
been to Newfoundland, but you better belive if I ever do I will NEVER
call them "newfies"! However, MY DOG IS A NEWFIE.
Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together
>Thank you, thank you, thank you! If you don't write comedy for a living
>you should! It was great seeing what I feel is an appropriate twist on
I write subway schedules...does that count?
Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together
In <6i8ja4$s...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com> tr...@ix.netcom.com(Doug Tricarico) writes:
>Ann, yer slayin' me over here.
>Sligo, make her stop!
He's busy with his socks.
dl...@webtv.net
I asked my Sheltland Sheepdogs if I could call them Shelties, and they
said I could call them anything as long as I brought the cookies.
Donna Cassista
Magic Shelties
cindy inness
I dont think that "Newfie" is
>slander in any way. Unless you hate where you live why would you mind
>being called a "Newfie"?
SInce Wanda hails from Newfoundland, and you don't, perhaps you should
just
take her word for it!
Janet "
Hiya..Just my 2 cents..I hail from Canada as well..Newfie is a slang
word.,and most NF's don't like being called it...I don't exactly know
why..but NF's are singled out alot of the time because they have an accent
compared to French-Canadians or Anglo-Canadians...NF's tend to have an
Irish lilt when they talk and are made fun of for it (or used to be- not
so much anymore) so I think this may be the reason..Actually I think the
dogs tend to have an accent too <BG>
dogsnus
Ah cripes..
I was already to say that I understood,since Dobe owners consider
it an insult to call them "Dobies", and Ive since tried to comply.
But really I call my OWN GSD's, the "Sheps", and I only get upset
when people refer to them as " German Shephards..."
sh*t what planet am I on????
I guess Im not the best PC person to input my opinion here,
I still choking on the "Things with Four Paws" and the 3 legged
Tricio and the ButterSchotch whateverisidontcareImdnyinhere!!"
I give up!
ROTFL!!!
Terri
and the GerminShepard Gang...
And Taffy, the DaschCockerWeener thingie.
I've* got* to get out more, Im TIRED of planting things!!!
Gasp and tears rolling from the eyes.. or is it *I's*???
dogsnus
doggies wrote:
>
> This seems kind of petty. Why are you offended? I always refer to my GSD
> as "my shep" when speaking to friends. Does this term offend any GSD
> owners?
Well, my *sheps* don't seem to mind!
<G>
Terri and the *sheps*!
dogsnus
Scott Barrett wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone:
>
> Just had to post a little info for you guys. I noticed on a few posts
> people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
> you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
> take offence to. Its like calling a black person a n---- or a Chinesse
> (sp) person a Ch---, a packistan person a P----.
In all seriousness:
Not to me it is. Never even entered my mind til your post.
So please, please
> refer to our beautiful dogs as Newoundland Dogs not "Newfie"
How about Newf's? OR Newfs.?
Is that PC?
As I said, until your post; consider the easy
typed word for the NFD did I consider a slang or insult
involved! Norwegians never even entered my mind til then!
Terri
BTW, I consider the Newfoundland Dog to be anything
*dogeatory.*.. (sorry, I couldn't resist), to be anything
other than a great dog..
The Nationality had NOTHING to do with my useage of
the term "Newfie", in fact, I didn't even consider
the origin of the dog until you posted!
To make you happy, however, I *will* ,from now on
out; refer to the Newfoundlnand Dog... (sorry about the sp,
it's a tough name after a hard day). as the Newf.
Is that acceptable? Or would you prefer the term,
NFD?
Doug Tricarico
In <6i86dr$q...@panix3.panix.com> alg...@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy
>--
Ann, yer slayin' me over here.
Sligo, make her stop!
Doug
lu...@nospam-1413.selin.com
> However, MY DOG IS A NEWFIE!
I would not tell the people in Newfoundland (or "Newfinland" as they
say it) THAT! Especially if you're American like me. Canadians rabidly
hate Americans, as I found out during my six years there. But I'd
still encourage you to visit. It's perhaps the cleanest, safest and
most beautiful country in the world. Always wondered how they keep
it so very clean. People are also very nice and courteous (until they
find out you're American. Or unless you're "Paah-ki" or a minority.
Canada is likely the MOST racist country in the world today). But some
of my happiest days were in Canada. I'd relocate there in a second
if I had a job offer.
Do visit Newfoundland - it's a paradise!
Lucy
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted using Reference.COM http://WWW.Reference.COM
FREE Usenet and Mailing list archive, directory and clipping service
--------------------------------------------------------------------
cindy inness
Actually, I am a pollack from Philly with a mick father. I've never been
to
Newfoundland, but I am moving to calgary in the fall. Right now I live in
Atlanta, were I have picked up a redneck accent and learned to eat fried
chick
en for every meal (you can do that in the south and nobody bats an eye)
"
Well you will actually feel right at home in Calgary then..Canada's only
equivalent to Southern U.S...<bG>
Dogwoman
D.L. Breig wrote:
>
>
> Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
> --
> The growth of understanding follows an ascending spiral rather than a
> straight line -Joanna Field
> http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt1912a
Geez. Looks like a birch broom with da fits! Hang on to your freakin'
drawers.
I knows your not stun and you're not da man yer mudder was. Long may
your big jib draw!
Gotta go, me arse is dunch.
BTW- Don't choke on yer Seagull sandwich.
AVRAMA GINGOLD
DB> I am all for treating people with respect and abiding by their wishes, I
DB> just dont really understand why it is such a bad word??? What is the
DB> stereotype that goes along with "Newfie"???? Were all the orginal
DB> Newfoundlanders dirty people or something and it became this big Canadian
DB> Joke??? Is it akin to calling italian immigrants "degos" because they
DB> obtained the stereotype of not being able to hold a job? I would like to
DB> know the history. If it is just becuase they dont think the word is
DB> sophisticated enough, then it's pretty stupid. BUT if there is a valid
DB> historical reason that this word is considered .
DB>
DB> Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
DB> --
Whatever you think the reason may be is totally irrelevant.
If Newfoundland owners want the short term to be "hugbabies"
then by Anubis, call those big glorious dogs hugbabies. (For
years I referred to the Portuguese Water Dog as a "Porty,"
until finally someone in the breed let me know that the
initials were preferred. It is the equivalent of using the
name an individual prefers for him/herself.
The "valid historical reason" is that the word "Newfie"
apparently in not preferred.
avrama & shomer*
avr...@moondog.com
* who insists you call him a Dobe, and not a Pinscher.
.. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Don't blame--train!
AVRAMA GINGOLD
DT> Curious: Do Shetland Sheepdog owners object to "Sheltie?" Or
DT> Rottweiler owners object to "Rottie?" Or Scottish Terrier owners to
DT> "Scottie?" Or Australian Shepherd owners to "Aussie?"
But Portuguese Water Dog owners dislike "Porty" and prefer PWD.
avrama
DT>
DT> Doug
DT>
DT> ....who's never heard a Pakistani called anything other than that.
DT>
.. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Love creates hostages to fortune.
John Crawford
Hay Nayow.
We're from Tennessee. We rayed necks lik to be called hicks if you
don't mind.
BTW. I've never met anyone who eats fried chicken every day. Even I,
raised as a polite southern "young lady" by my fahter would have to
raise an eyebrow to that.
Don't ya'll know we eat biskits and brayvee for brekfist? O'course we
gotta have us some co'cola too.
Truthfully, I hate grits, and we are not as much concerned with what
people eat. Long as they keep their dawgs out of my traysh, I don't
care much what they do. '
Truthfully, I love the south and am very proud to live here. I think
Tennessee is a beautiful plaace when it's kept clean. ya'll come see us
now y'hear?
John and Paula
Lisa Baird
AVRAMA GINGOLD wrote:
> The "valid historical reason" is that the word "Newfie"
> apparently in not preferred.
Which begs the question, what do they call them IN Newfoundland??
Lisa
Lisa Baird
AVRAMA GINGOLD wrote:
> But Portuguese Water Dog owners dislike "Porty" and prefer PWD.
> avrama
Actually, most owners I know PREFER it. Its easier to say!! We were told we
were not PC by using it <sigh>
Lisa (a Portuguese Water Dog owner who sometimes wishes she'd gotten a
"Pug", instead of having to worry about tripping over her tongue vs. being
PC)
Susan Mudgett aka little gator
cindy inness (cin...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca) wrote:
: Actually, I am a pollack from Philly with a mick father. I've never been
You're a fish?
cindy inness
Acually, I agree with Malcolm about the pronounciation of the word
P***, at least that's how I've always heard it said (see my post under
"Hey, Happy Together!"). In my limited experience, the Natives were
stereotyped as "always drunk" and were FEARED at night, especially around
car parking lots, but I got the impression Canadians HATED Pakistanis
and Indians a lot more.
How do you manage to keep your country so clean by the way?
Lucy lucy@@selin.com - remove one @ to send email. "
Well UMM..It may be the way that Americans HEAR our words..I
really don't know (coz I know we sound funny to you guys, eh?) HAHA..Just
kidding...But honestly, IF I were ever to sink low and say the word -- I
swear intelligent Canadians don't go around putting people down..It would
be said "PAKI"...(like pack-ee)..You were right about the stereotypes
around natives, but honestly, it is somewhat varied across the
country..but if you were to ask any Canadian bigot who the group was that
he hated the most, it would definitely be "Indians" because they are drunk
and live off welfare and take all our money doing it (this is not ME
saying this), followed probably by East Indians or Pakistanis on the East
coast, and definitely the Chinese on the West coast (because they both
take all the jobs in their respective parts of the country)..So there you
have it..My lecture on Canadian racism...That is all, class..By the way,
like any country, it is always the older generation that pprimarily has
these views..(exception of a few younguns raised by these people- but even
then , you don't hear these words on the street much)Cheers, C
lu...@nospam-1413.selin.com
Cindy, thanks for your response and for telling us how you Canadians keep
yr country so clean. Now that we all know "Newfie" is an offensive
word, I hope people won't use it.
I think Canada is the cleanest and safest country in the world, and
also one of the most beautiful countries around. The only downside is
that it's too COLD and people in Canada rabidly hate Americans. I
always believed people in my country (USA) were racist until I lived in
Canada. Cindy, I don't agree that just the older generation is bigoted,
younger Canadians were often worse. In my experience, Canada is the
most racist country in the world after Nazi Germany and racism is
ALL-PERVASIVE. Don't mean to offend anyone, just my impression. In
fact, I miss Canada and would want to move there again. People are
extremely nice and polite, so long as they don't know I'm American.
Lucy (lucy@@selin.com - remove one @ to email)
Robin Nuttall
>
> Curious: Do Shetland Sheepdog owners object to "Sheltie?" Or
Some doberman people HATE the term dobie. I am clueless as to why and
think it's silly. On the one hand, I usually try to not use that word,
and use dobe or doberman instead. OTOH, if someone writes me and talks
about their dobie, I don't say a word--I think it's an acceptable term.
Huskey is NOT appreciated, especially by malamute owners. Even Siberian
owners prefer their dogs to be called Sibes or Siberian's--not Huskey. I
think in this instance a Huskey can be any dog of indeterminate breeding
who is used for pulling sleds--not necessarily a purebred. Perhaps some
Sibe owners can enlighten us on this.
--
Robin, Jasper and Dreamer
robin_...@muccmail.missouri.edu
(my opinions are strictly my own!)
Doberman page:
http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/
J.A. McCulloch
Scott Barrett wrote:
>
> Wrong.
>
> When you refer to Vegas, Frisco or N.Y.C. you are referring to a place. When we talk
> about Pollocks, Newfies etc we are referring to people. There is a big difference.
> When someone tells you they are offended by a particular name you should respect
> their wishes whether you know the "full history" or not. Its like me calling you a
> a#* h***, how would you like that? Its just not polite, is it. Like Janet said, if
> someone is offended by a particular name, people should avoid using it. But then
> again there is ALWAYS one or two people who have to put their two cents worth in who
> don't agree.
>
> Wanda
> St. John's, Newfoundland
You obviously read my post prepared to find disagreement, I simply
extended the train of thought to show how ridiculous it _could_ become!
But of course it's OK for you to insult the people who _live_ in those
places and are offended by the improper usage and corruption of their
city's name?
So, according to _your_ rules, you live in St. John's, Newfie. (not a
person - a 'place'!)
DogStar716
>> people are referring to a Newfoundland Dog as a "Newfie" I just want
>> you guys to know this is a slang word that alot of us Newfoundlanders
>> take offence to.
Oh brother. I thought I'd seen it all on this NG... obviously I haven't:)
Have any of you ever heard of the Polish Owczarek Nizinny? Even the fanciers
call them PON's... LOL.
Dogstar716
"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are
his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true,
to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such
devotion"
-- Unknow
James Linn
lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote in article
<6i8p8d$i7b$1...@orthanc.reference.com>...
> > However, MY DOG IS A NEWFIE!
>
> I would not tell the people in Newfoundland (or "Newfinland" as they
> say it) THAT! Especially if you're American like me.
Many people from Newfoundland use the term "newfie" affectionately. Chris
Rock uses the word "nigger" in his comedy. That doesn't mean you and I
should - its a different context. And context is everything.
>Canadians rabidly
> hate Americans, as I found out during my six years there.
Gee thanks for the cultural stereotyping. Not all, not even most Canadians
of my acquaintence (and as a Canadian I know a few) hate Americans. What we
hate is someone from another country coming to our country and wondering
why we are so "inferior" in some comparison to their country. The ugly
American exists (rent the movie and you'll see what I mean). But we know
most Americans aren't like that.
> But I'd
> still encourage you to visit. It's perhaps the cleanest, safest and
> most beautiful country in the world. Always wondered how they keep
> it so very clean. People are also very nice and courteous (until they
> find out you're American.
Oh pulease enough already. I have collegues from the US come to Canada
often, and they certainly don't see it the way you do. I have relatives in
the US who come up regularly.
>Or unless you're "Paah-ki" or a minority.
Is there racism in Canada - sure. Newsflash. Racism exists everywhere in
the world. But you can find many more examples in the US than Canada.
> Canada is likely the MOST racist country in the world today).
On what basis do you make this claim? Come have a tour of any major
Canadian city where you'll find all kinds of people from all over the world
living together in relative tranquility.
But some
> of my happiest days were in Canada. I'd relocate there in a second
> if I had a job offer.
If Canada was as racist as you say, I wouldn't live here.
James Linn
D.L. Breig
In article <6i98fa$90c$1...@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
John Crawford <joh...@webtv.net> wrote:
>BTW. I've never met anyone who eats fried chicken every day. Even I,
>raised as a polite southern "young lady" by my fahter would have to
>raise an eyebrow to that.
then you didnt grow up in georgia.
last time i went to north georgia I was served fried chicken and biscuits
with gravy for breakfast, fried chicken picnic for lunch and chicken fried
steak, fried chicken, fried okra, ribs and veggies for dinner.
D.L. Breig
In article <6i9rq3$v...@harvee.billerica.ma.us>,
NO actually, I am. DL BREIG wrote that. watch the words you put in
people's mouths.
D.L. Breig
In article <8EE205E.09A7...@relaynet.org>,
AVRAMA GINGOLD <avrama....@relaynet.org> wrote:
>Whatever you think the reason may be is totally irrelevant.
>If Newfoundland owners want the short term to be "hugbabies"
I think the point of the original post is *NOT* that newfoundland DOGS
care to be called Newfies IT IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE PLACE
CALLED NEWFOUNDLAND ARE INSULTED BY THAT WORD.
It isnt Shetland Sheepdogs that dont like Sheltie, it is the shetland
people.
It isnt the French Bulldogs who dont want to be called Frenchies, it is
the French People
It isnt the Portuguese water dogs that dont want to be called porties, it
is the portugeuse.
GET IT?
Doug Tricarico
In <6iab8g$p...@acmex.gatech.edu> gt1...@prism.gatech.edu (D.L. Breig)
writes:
>In article <8EE205E.09A7...@relaynet.org>,
>AVRAMA GINGOLD <avrama....@relaynet.org> wrote:
>>Whatever you think the reason may be is totally irrelevant.
>>If Newfoundland owners want the short term to be "hugbabies"
>
>I think the point of the original post is *NOT* that newfoundland DOGS
>care to be called Newfies IT IS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE PLACE
>CALLED NEWFOUNDLAND ARE INSULTED BY THAT WORD.
>
>It isnt Shetland Sheepdogs that dont like Sheltie, it is the
>shetland people.
>
>It isnt the French Bulldogs who dont want to be called Frenchies,
>it is the French People
>
>It isnt the Portuguese water dogs that dont want to be called porties,
>it is the portugeuse.
>
>GET IT?
Well, gee, I sure do, now that you've spelled it out for me.
The difference is, of course, that the French, Portuguese and Shetland
Islanders aren't bitching, moaning, whining and crying about an
appellation affixed to a dog like some super-sensitive Newfies.
Exaggeration for effect. GET IT?
Cheers,
Doug
James Linn
lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote in article
<6ia9v7$v47$1...@orthanc.reference.com>...
> Cindy, thanks for your response and for telling us how you Canadians keep
> yr country so clean. Now that we all know "Newfie" is an offensive
> word, I hope people won't use it.
>
> I think Canada is the cleanest and safest country in the world, and
> also one of the most beautiful countries around. The only downside is
> that it's too COLD and people in Canada rabidly hate Americans. I
> always believed people in my country (USA) were racist until I lived in
> Canada. Cindy, I don't agree that just the older generation is bigoted,
> younger Canadians were often worse. In my experience, Canada is the
> most racist country in the world after Nazi Germany and racism is
> ALL-PERVASIVE. Don't mean to offend anyone, just my impression. In
> fact, I miss Canada and would want to move there again. People are
> extremely nice and polite, so long as they don't know I'm American.
> Lucy (lucy@@selin.com - remove one @ to email)
If you went around telling Canadians that we were the most racist country
in the world after Nazi Gremany, I'm not suprised you felt hated.
Surely you don't equate today's Canada with South Africa under Apartheid or
the Southern US before the Civil Rights movement.
It may suprise you to know that the impression of many immigrants is that
we are less racist than the US, hence that is why they come here.
As for being cold, Southern Ontario (where a third of us live) is about the
same median temperature as Northern California. We are certainly warmer
than Northern New England, Upper Michigan, Wisconsin or the Dakotas.
I really don't know how you can say that racism is all pervasive here. I
live in a community where people from everywhere live together without any
frictions.
James Linn
D.L. Breig
In article <6iafm2$3...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>,
Doug Tricarico <tr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Well, gee, I sure do, now that you've spelled it out for me.
>
>The difference is, of course, that the French, Portuguese and Shetland
>Islanders aren't bitching, moaning, whining and crying about an
>appellation affixed to a dog like some super-sensitive Newfies.
my problem was that people were thinking that this person meant "dont call
the dogs Newfies because it might hurt their feelings" One person said
"My sheltie said I can call her anything I want as long as I have cookies"
BUT THAT WASNT THE POINT. the point was that calling the dog Newfie
insulted a group a people who have been teased for being Newfies, not that
Newfoundland owners were insulted by calling their dogs NEwfies.
Scott Barrett
We call them "Newfoundland Dogs" :)
Scott Barrett
I am not going to go down that road with you.
Wanda
Doug Tricarico
In <6iai3u$e...@acmey.gatech.edu> gt1...@prism.gatech.edu (D.L. Breig)
writes:
>In article <6iafm2$3...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>,
>Doug Tricarico <tr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well, gee, I sure do, now that you've spelled it out for me.
>>
>>The difference is, of course, that the French, Portuguese and
Shetland
>>Islanders aren't bitching, moaning, whining and crying about an
>>appellation affixed to a dog like some super-sensitive Newfies.
>
>my problem was that people were thinking that this person meant "dont
call
>the dogs Newfies because it might hurt their feelings" One person
said
>"My sheltie said I can call her anything I want as long as I have
cookies"
>BUT THAT WASNT THE POINT. the point was that calling the dog Newfie
>insulted a group a people who have been teased for being Newfies, not
that
>Newfoundland owners were insulted by calling their dogs NEwfies.
See, this is what's so annoying about this discussion: the woman who
said that about her Sheltie was MAKING A JOKE. As in, "You can call me
anything, just don't call me late to dinner." Please delineate between
the two. Thank you.
"Dougie"
dl...@webtv.net
Actually that was the point, no one on this list was calling any person
from Newfoundland a "Newfie" , they were using a term of affection for a
large black breed of dog that was developed in Newfoundland, people had
nothing at all to do with it. Now I for one have never called a person
from Newfoundland a newfie, and don't plan to, but I expect that i will
continue with a great deal of affection to call the big black dog from
Newfoundland a newfie. By the way, around here frenchie is a derogatory
term for a person of French Canadian ancestry(which I am) but i don't
mind if you call french bulldogs that, quess I'm just more liberal
minded Now can we get pack to dogs.
Donna Cassista
Bullmarket
In article <6ia9v7$v47$1...@orthanc.reference.com>,
lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote:
> younger Canadians were often worse. In my experience, Canada is the
> most racist country in the world after Nazi Germany and racism is
> ALL-PERVASIVE.
Gee, you don't suppose comments like *this* are what make us hate some of
you, do you ? What a hyperbolic load of crap.
Carol, disgusted.
--
Reach Me At: Bullmarket AT frenchbulldog.org
Bullmarket Frenchies - http://frenchbulldog.org/bullmarket
French Bulldog Fun - http://www.frenchbulldog.org
Bullmarket
In article <6i8p8d$i7b$1...@orthanc.reference.com>,
lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote:
<much moronic comments snipped which serve to prove that "Lucy" has never
lived a day in Canada, much less visited here>
Guess we have a new troll for the kill files, hmm? The last person I can
recall who posted such stoopid comments about Canada was a certain
Taco-Boy...
Carol, not surprised. At all.
Karen Mailloux
In article <6ibbfr$5...@panix3.panix.com>, alg...@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo,
Happy Together) wrote:
>
> A dodo is a bird. A pollock is a fish. A Newf is a dog. I think this will
> be my new sig file.
>
LOL ...
>
> Now, can we just introduce Hitler to this discussion so we can officially
> kill it? (old net joke)
>
And on the anniversary of his death, too -- how appropriate!
Karen
(proud to be a "frenchie bitch")
Susan Mudgett aka little gator
D.L. Breig (gt1...@prism.gatech.edu) wrote:
: NO actually, I am. DL BREIG wrote that. watch the words you put in
: people's mouths.
Sorry. I thought I'd trimmed the quotes out.
lu...@nospam-1413.selin.com
In the month of September, I will prove to you that there is
indeed more racism in Canada (FAR more racism) than in my country.
I will also document the extent of hatred Canadians have for
us Americans.
Please be patient until September; I don't have my data fully
analyzed yet.
Lucy
lucy@@selin.com - please remove one @ to reply.
James Linn
Doug Tricarico <tr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<6iafm2$3...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>...
> In <6iab8g$p...@acmex.gatech.edu> gt1...@prism.gatech.edu (D.L. Breig)
> writes:
>It isnt Shetland Sheepdogs that dont like Sheltie, it is the
> >shetland people.
> >
> >It isnt the French Bulldogs who dont want to be called Frenchies,
> >it is the French People
> >
> >It isnt the Portuguese water dogs that dont want to be called porties,
> >it is the portugeuse.
> >
> >GET IT?
>
> Well, gee, I sure do, now that you've spelled it out for me.
>
> The difference is, of course, that the French, Portuguese and Shetland
> Islanders aren't bitching, moaning, whining and crying about an
> appellation affixed to a dog like some super-sensitive Newfies.
>
> Exaggeration for effect. GET IT?
You obviously don't yet get it.
The term "Newfie" is used much the same way as the terms polak,kike, spic,
nigger, wop and other ethnic slurs are used. Many of the jokes made about
"newfies" were just retellings of previous "polak" and other ethnic jokes.
Would you want to use any of these other offensive terms on a breed of
dogs?
There has been a debate regarding the film "Dambusters", a historical film,
where the flight leader of a bombing squadron has a dog named "Nigger". In
most prints shown these days, the name has been dubbed out. Can you guess
why? Because every time some people of black heritage hear the word, no
matter what the context, it strikes an emotional cord. Intellectually, they
can understand its a historical film, and that the real life dog was named
"nigger". But it still hurts.
I'll admit that some words, like Canuck, go from being slurs to being
colourful adjectives. Fifty years ago, you might have got your head caved
in if you call a Canadian a canuck. Today, we have a hockey team named
after them. Perhaps one day, the term "newfie" won't sting. Until that day,
I'll call the dog a Newfoundland.
James Linn
Jim
lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote:
> Cindy, thanks for your response and for telling us how you Canadians
> keep
> yr country so clean. Now that we all know "Newfie" is an offensive
> word, I hope people won't use it.
Oh for crying out loud! Now everybody is worried about words used in the
dog world! Get a life people! Hell, I suppose that we should no longer
refer to a weakness as a "chink in the armor" as it offends persons of
Chinese parantage, or say "I'm gonna wop you up side the head",
Italians wouldn't like it. How about "Spic & Span" being renamed?
Mexicans you know. Don't even start on "limes" (ie limey) or eat "frog"
legs! Might get the Brits and French all bent out of shape. How about
"bitches"? Dadgum womans right groups are likely to take you to task for
that one. "Studs"? Never mind, the guys might actually like that one.
Jim
runnin...@yahoo.com
I'm not really sure this is the forum to prove your particular point. The only problem I've ever had with Canadians (used to live on the North Dakota-Canadian border) was their baseball teams coming down and "taking" our tournaments, and they have support a socialist "big govt" state; i.e, we almost got their health care system! But again, what does that have to do with dogs?
Kartyle
I don't post often (which is just as well :-) ), but half the time the posts
on here remind of something I heard on the radio:
"Well, now I'm offended that you're offended by the offensive remarks that I
offensively made earlier!!!"
lu...@nospam-1413.selin.com
I'm posting from Lucy Smith's account:
way...@sympatico.ca writes
> There are racist Canadians....due to the fact that our government
> does not deport criminals...
Sir, do you see the implied racism in your sentence? You are
implying that criminals are minorities!!! (Which is NOT at all true
in Canada). Yet, you see it fit to make such a racist remark.
JT
Suzanne Way
No, no, no....I am not implying that at all! My great-uncle was murdered
by two Canadian-born men. Perhaps I didn't express myself very well...that
is a statement I often hear from my racist compatriots. I'm not sure why
we are discussing this in a dog newsgroup, but there you have it.
Suzanne Way
I had better clarify my statement on immigration....that is a PERCEPTION
others use to justify their racism; it is not how I feel, personally.
Suzanne Way wrote:
> Where are you getting your statistics? I agree that there are racist
> Canadians (partly due to the fact that our government lets almost anyone
> immigrate and does not even deport criminals unless they have a long
> record), but I don't think we're any more racist than anyone else. To
> compare us to Nazis is ridiculous! Mind you, if you are talking about the
> province of Quebec, where racism against the non-French is
> institutionalized, I might be inclined to agree--to a point. As for all
> Canadians hating Americans, that is simply not true! I personally think
> Americans are great; if you hear anti-American sentiment, I believe it is
> a result of jealousy or feeling threatened by the "behemoth" next door. I
> think most of us realize that we would not have survived the Cold War
> without the protection of our good neighbors to the south. By the way, I
> work with an ex-Newfoundlander & no one enjoys a Newfie joke more than he.
> Just because some people (in ALL countries) are anal-retentive, don't tar
> us all with the same brush.
>
> Sue.
>
> lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote:
>
> > In the month of September, I will prove to you that there is
> > indeed more racism in Canada (FAR more racism) than in my country.
> > I will also document the extent of hatred Canadians have for
> > us Americans.
> >
> > Please be patient until September; I don't have my data fully
> > analyzed yet.
> > Lucy
> > lucy@@selin.com - please remove one @ to reply.
> >
Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together
In <6ibc71$upq$1...@news.cyberhighway.net> dogsnus <"Terri"@cyberhighway .net> writes:
>His socks, Twizl's socks or you and your husband's socks??
Any and all socks. He loves them all, even Newfy socks.
Ann, Twzl & Sligo
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doug Tricarico
In <199804302252...@ladder01.news.aol.com> box...@aol.com
(BoxHill) writes:
>
>Terri writes:
>
>>To make you happy, however, I *will* ,from now on
>>out; refer to the Newfoundlnand Dog... (sorry about the sp,
>>it's a tough name after a hard day). as the Newf.
>
>You know, until this debate cropped up, I don't think I had ever heard
a NFD
><G> owner call their dogs anything BUT "Newfs"--including the breeder
I visited
>who had about 20 (!) of them ..... Now we can discuss whether it
should be
>pronounced newFOUNDland or NEWFoundland or NEW FOUND LAND <VBG>. I
spent two
>weeks there a year or two ago, and still haven't gotten it straight.
>Janet
I've always heard it pronounced NEWfundlund or NEWfinlund. (Give it a
try.)
Doug
Mary Healey
joh...@webtv.net (John Crawford) wrote:
>Let's try one more time to help people understand why it is insulting to
>call someone a "newfie".
One more time, for those who are unclear on the subject. No one 'round
these parts is calling "SOMEONE" a Newfie. They are referring to
someTHING, specifically, a breed of dog.
>In jokes, Newfie = pollock. Pollock = newfie. That's the way I heard
>it from a very racist Canadian kid.
Do you often determine your behavior based on the lower forms of life?
> If a brreed were from Poland and
>called a Pollock dog, would that be offensive?
What about the Coonhounds?
M.
AVRAMA GINGOLD
CW> >Some doberman people HATE the term dobie. I am clueless as to why and
CW> >think it's silly.
CW>
CW> I remember in the days before I owned a flatcoat, when I first joined
CW> the FCR discussion list, innocently using the term "flattie" and
CW> getting toasted to a crisp! I think some people just don't like
CW> diminutives....
The preferred spelling is d-o-b-e, and so the dislike is usually
for the spelling, not the pronounciation.
But I have a more important question: why are so many people upset
about doing the polite thing and not using a term that some members
of the fancy have said they find offensive. In the privacy of your
home, you can call the Newfoundland anything you bloody well choose,
but on the newsgroup, why not be cooperative?
Oh, and for the person who asked: stud and bitch are not parallel
terms. Stud is a less comprehensive term in relation to the male
canine than bitch is for the female. ALL female canines, intact
or not, mature or not, are bitches; only intact male dogs who are
at service for bitches (preferably approved) are studs. A castrated male dog
(and the generic term for the male is dog) is not a stud dog, nor
is an intact 4 month old puppy.
Let me illustrate what is meant by politeness. Many, many years
ago, when I was about 9 or 10, in a composition about what
I'd done that summer, I wrote about rescuing a little bitch and
training her and how the bitch got loose when in heat and got
pregnant, etc. My teacher complained to my father that I had
used indecent language by referring to the dog as a bitch. My
father got on his high horse, and informed the teacher in no
uncertain terms that had I written about a "girl dog" or some
such inaccurate euphemism he, my father, would have been
supportive of the teacher's scolding and/or punishing me.
However, insofar as I was writing about a female dog, I had
perforce to use the proper term, and that term, as anyone with
the slightest knowledge of domestic animals knew, was bitch.
(Yes, he spoke in just that manner.) Then after the teacher
apologized, my father turned to me and proceeded to verbally ream
me up, down and sideways, because I was intelligent enough to
realize people like my teacher would be upset by the use of the
word bitch, and there was no reason I couldn't have written
about a "female dog," or just "female" instead of saying "bitch."
Yes, it was childish of me (hey, I was a child) to insist on
using the word "bitch" because I knew people'd be upset.
The same with all the specious arguments read here in defense of
using a name that you know is disliked.
avrama & shomer
avr...@moondog.com
.. nfx v2.7 [C0000] To err is human, to forgive canine.
Doug Tricarico
In <354940e6...@news.mindspring.com> may...@mindNOSPAMspring.com
(Mays) writes:
>
>On 30 Apr 1998 22:19:39 -0400,alg...@panix.com (Twzl & Sligo, Happy
>Together) stitched with finest floss on pure irish linen:
>>Why would Newfie=pollock? Isn't a pollock a fish? Now, a Newf is a
>>big black dog, and I think a pollock is a medium sized white fish.
>>I'm not sure I see the connection.
>
>Yup, pollack is a fish, nice and tasty. Used for fish sticks and
>the like. Nothing mean about it.
>Tasty fish, big black hairy dogs, people from Canada- I happen to
>like them all, whatever you happen to call them.
>Ruth Mays
You eat dogs and Canadians? What kind of sicko are you? Korean?
Doug
For the humor-impaired: it's a JOKE.
Doug Tricarico
In <8EE4250.09A7...@relaynet.org> avrama....@relaynet.org
(AVRAMA GINGOLD) writes:
>
>CW> >Some doberman people HATE the term dobie. I am clueless
>CW>
>CW> I remember in the days before I owned a flatcoat, when I first
>CW> "flattie" and getting toasted to a crisp! I think some people
>CW> just don't like diminutives....
>
> The preferred spelling is d-o-b-e, and so the dislike is usually
> for the spelling, not the pronounciation.
>
>But I have a more important question: why are so many people upset
>about doing the polite thing and not using a term that some members
>of the fancy have said they find offensive. In the privacy of your
>home, you can call the Newfoundland anything you bloody well choose,
>but on the newsgroup, why not be cooperative?
As a couple of us have tried to point out humorously (but now I'll just
have to come out and say it) there's no way you can _possibly_ police
every single word you say in order to be inoffensive because someone
somewhere is going to be offended by something.
There's a difference between being polite and being anal-retentive.
Political Correctness has its roots in being considerate for others'
feelings, which I'm all for. However, there are certain times (such as
this thread) when it just becomes ludicrous, hence the anti-PC
backlash.
I truly doubt "some fanciers" find the term "newfie" offensive. I
think it was just that one lady. Another woman who breeds the dogs and
lives in Newfoundland calls them that, so I guess we can take our pick,
eh?
Doug
JJF
I agree that we should not purposely offend anyone with nicknames BUT these were just to make it simpler to say all the dog breed names. Like: Aussie, Rottie, Dobie, Dachie, Scottie, Westie, etc. It would be interesting to know if any other countries take offense to other dog breed nicknames.
LF
H. Paul Jacobson wrote:
On 29 Apr 1998, Mary Healey wrote:
> Nope. Newfies are dogs, not people. Aussies are Australian Shepherds (an
> American breed), not human inhabitants of Australia....I thought Aussies were Australian Terriers, a breed that originated in
Australia. Or should we AT owners call our little wonders 'Ozies'?\Paul (and Zathras)
cindy inness
cindy inness (cin...@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca) wrote:
: Actually, I am a pollack from Philly with a mick father. I've never been
You're a fish?
"
Susan Mudgett..Cindy Inness never wrote this...I would know..I am her..I
have never been to Philly even...Isn't that a sandwich?<g>
cindy inness
Lucy, Lucy, Lucy....Yeah, it is clean and cold..(that is on our tourism
posters actually..<g> (Honestly though for all of you US'ers' who have
never been here in Summer, it is intensely hot then..just don't come over
in Winter)..But hey, hey, People in Canada don't "rabidly" hate
Americans..In any society, you are going to get the idiots..I don't mind
AMericans at all. I think that yes, though, we are such a melting pot of
culture over here that tensions can get high..But really, the people with
brains in their heads don't act like nazis..Just stay away from the army
guys and jocks (o.k that was a slam, I know)..I really don't even hear of
the Newfie word..It is not really used where I live anymore..THe
difference these bigots pick up on (and are TOLD at an early age) are that
AMericans are loud and dumb, and obnoxious..But the smart people upon
meeting someone from the US will be able to say.."wow, that stereoptype
doesn't fit all people"..Just like all of us Canadians are polite and
reserved...it doesn't generalize to all people..I am rambling on here.but
I hope you get my point--most of us are pretty good to know!and get a kick
out of that AMerican twang...Cheers, C.
On 30 Apr 1998 lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote:
> Cindy, thanks for your response and for telling us how you Canadians keep
> yr country so clean. Now that we all know "Newfie" is an offensive
> word, I hope people won't use it.
>
> I think Canada is the cleanest and safest country in the world, and
> also one of the most beautiful countries around. The only downside is
> that it's too COLD and people in Canada rabidly hate Americans. I
> always believed people in my country (USA) were racist until I lived in
> Canada. Cindy, I don't agree that just the older generation is bigoted,
> younger Canadians were often worse. In my experience, Canada is the
> most racist country in the world after Nazi Germany and racism is
> ALL-PERVASIVE. Don't mean to offend anyone, just my impression. In
> fact, I miss Canada and would want to move there again. People are
> extremely nice and polite, so long as they don't know I'm American.
> Lucy (lucy@@selin.com - remove one @ to email)
James Linn
Mary Healey <mhhe...@iastate.edu> wrote in article
<6icjqo$ioe$1...@news.iastate.edu>...
> joh...@webtv.net (John Crawford) wrote:
> >Let's try one more time to help people understand why it is insulting to
> >call someone a "newfie".
>
> One more time, for those who are unclear on the subject. No one 'round
> these parts is calling "SOMEONE" a Newfie. They are referring to
> someTHING, specifically, a breed of dog.
>
One more time, for those who are unclear on the subject.
People from Newfoundland (not all but many) object strongly to the slur
"newfie". They would rather you not call your dog, cat, parakeet or any
other life form a Newfie. Would you call your dog "nigger"? Do you suppose
that might make some black people uncomfortable, even if they understood
you meant a dog, not them?
If its PC and overly sensitive to be concerned with the feelings of others,
than go ahead and call me PC.
James Linn
rfe...@rocketmail.com
In article <6iath4$cfn$1...@orthanc.reference.com>#1/1,
lu...@NoSPAM-1413.selin.com wrote:
>
> In the month of September, I will prove to you that there is
> indeed more racism in Canada (FAR more racism) than in my country.
> I will also document the extent of hatred Canadians have for
> us Americans.
>
> Please be patient until September; I don't have my data fully
> analyzed yet.
> Lucy
> lucy@@selin.com - please remove one @ to reply.
>
Anyone who KNOWS they can "prove" something before their data is fully
analyzed, ain't no researcher, and their results can't be trusted. Knowing
what you want to prove before the experiment/analysis is done is sure to skew
the results.
Renee (Proud Canadian, who does acknowledge that there are bad apples in every
bunch)
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
E.D. and C.L. WATT
Considering the fact that I started this whole stupid thread by asking
one simple question about my NEWFOUNDLAND puppy, Elvis, ( who
incidentally because of this now defiantly pees on my shoe if I call him
a "newfie") I just thought you would like to know that I found a
Newfoundland home page from, shock of shock, is based in St. Johns,
Newfoundland. This site refers MANY times to the dogs as "newfs" or
"newfies" so obviously, these breeders do not take offense to this
usage. All I can say is thank God I didn't post about my Blue Tick
----Hound!
Mary Healey
"James Linn" <james...@nortel.com> wrote:
>Mary Healey <mhhe...@iastate.edu> wrote in article
><6icjqo$ioe$1...@news.iastate.edu>...
>> joh...@webtv.net (John Crawford) wrote:
>> >Let's try one more time to help people understand why it is insulting to
>> >call someone a "newfie".
>>
>> One more time, for those who are unclear on the subject. No one 'round
>> these parts is calling "SOMEONE" a Newfie. They are referring to
>> someTHING, specifically, a breed of dog.
>>
>One more time, for those who are unclear on the subject.
>
>People from Newfoundland (not all but many) object strongly to the slur
>"newfie".
Person from Newfoundland (only one heard from) has not successfully
presented an argument that "Newfie" in reference to a breed of dog is
anything other than a reference to a breed of dog.
People from Newfoundland should rightfully object to being called "Newfies"
because they are, after all, not a breed of dog.
> They would rather you not call your dog, cat, parakeet or any
>other life form a Newfie. Would you call your dog "nigger"?
Since my dogs do not have any of the attributes associated with that word,
either in appearance or habit, it would be silly. OTOH, my foster daughter
has a black dog named "Cricket" (a more obscure racial slur).
Many people object quite strongly to pets having "people" names - I do not
concur and own dogs named Sam and Noah. PEOPLE named "Sam" and "Noah"
might take offense, but that offense would be unjustified. No slur was
intended in naming my dogs, and it is ridiculous to take offense when none
is meant.
M.
Suzanne Way
Excuse me, Josh, but if that rant was directed at me, it's misplaced. If
you read MY original post, I mentioned that a person has to be pretty
anal-retentive to object to Newfie. It's on a par with "canuck" or "yank";
any Newfie I've met has no problem with it! By the way, I think Americans
are great & I don't hate anyone. I sense some hatred of Canadaians, though!
Sue.
12...@usa.net wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> Suzanne Way wrote:
> "I'm not sure why we are discussing this in a dog newsgroup"
>
> Let me remind you why.
> We got around to this topic because one of your countrymen
> wailed and moaned that the rest of Canada was discriminating
> against people from Newfoundland and calling them "Newfies",
> and then wanted *US* to stop calling *OUR* dogs Newfies.
>
> And we got around to this topic because he used a certain
> term p______ to describe people from Pakistan and some of
> us wanted to know what this term was. Whether it is Newfie
> or Paki, such advanced racial slurs common in Canada are
> unknown in the rest of the world. And we sure as hell will
> not stop calling our dogs Newfies just because Canadians have
> a wider range of racial vocabulary than the rest of the world.
> When we call our dogs Newfies, we do so in the most loving way
> and don't give a shit about what you American-haters think
> about the word. Hard to understand why you guys hate people from your
> own country too. Well, you can keep your hatred and your xenophobia
> within Canada and call Newfoundland dogs "yaddayaddayadda"
> or anything you want but don't expect us to stop calling
> our dogs "Newfies"!
>
> I have two Newfoundlands and one of them is NAMED Newfy. Do you
> suggest I change his name to Fido or Seinfeld or something else?
> Grow up and get used to the fact that we are addressing our
> dogs in a loving way and are not interested in slurring Canadians!
>
> Josh Miller
blac...@dog-play.com
E.D. and C.L. WATT <CEW...@webtv.net> wrote:
: Considering the fact that I started this whole stupid thread by asking
Now THAT was about the best thing in this whole thread. :-)
Diane Blackman
di...@dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com
- - - - - - - - -
" . . . approximately 90 percent of the behavior owners consider negative
occurs when their pets are isolated or alone." "The Body Language and
Emotion of Dogs" by Myrna M. Milani, DVM.
J1Boss
>An Aussie is an Australian Shepherd. It is an American breed and has nothing
>do with Australia.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Oh - sure - NOW you've gone and offended the owners of Australian TERRIERs and
Australian CATTLE DOGS.......<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Janet Boss<BR>
Best Friends Dog Obedience<BR>
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"<BR>
<BR>
"Read your question for the obvious answer"
John Crawford
M asked what about the coonhounds? Thanks. I hadn't thought of that.
Good point.
John and Paula
cindy inness
In the month of September, I will prove to you that there is
> indeed more racism in Canada (FAR more racism) than in my country.
> I will also document the extent of hatred Canadians have for
> us Americans.
>
> Please be patient until September; I don't have my data fully
> analyzed yet.
> Lucy "
Lucy...If you are undertaking a REAL survey, a REAL analysis..then you are
definitely on the WRONG track..Someone who is serious about learning the
truth about a subject needs a thesis, yes, but it is very unappropraite
and bad procedure to be so biased as to undeniably be certain about your
data you haven't even compiled yet..I would get off thsi project now if it
involves any amount of seriousness at all...
Heika
Degos means dog in Italian... it has nothing to do with being able to hold
down a job.
Heika- An italian american.
AVRAMA GINGOLD wrote in message <8EE205E.09A7...@relaynet.org>...
>DB> I am all for treating people with respect and abiding by their wishes,
I
>DB> just dont really understand why it is such a bad word??? What is the
>DB> stereotype that goes along with "Newfie"???? Were all the orginal
>DB> Newfoundlanders dirty people or something and it became this big
Canadian
>DB> Joke??? Is it akin to calling italian immigrants "degos" because they
>DB> obtained the stereotype of not being able to hold a job? I would like
to
>DB> know the history. If it is just becuase they dont think the word is
>DB> sophisticated enough, then it's pretty stupid. BUT if there is a valid
>DB> historical reason that this word is considered .
>DB>
>DB> Besides, how do you know that I'm not from Newfoundland?
>DB> --
>Whatever you think the reason may be is totally irrelevant.
>If Newfoundland owners want the short term to be "hugbabies"
>then by Anubis, call those big glorious dogs hugbabies. (For
>years I referred to the Portuguese Water Dog as a "Porty,"
>until finally someone in the breed let me know that the
>initials were preferred. It is the equivalent of using the
>name an individual prefers for him/herself.
>
>The "valid historical reason" is that the word "Newfie"
>apparently in not preferred.
>
>avrama & shomer*
>avr...@moondog.com
>
>* who insists you call him a Dobe, and not a Pinscher.
>
>.. nfx v2.7 [C0000] Don't blame--train!
dogsnus
Twzl & Sligo, Happy Together wrote:
>
> In <6ibc71$upq$1...@news.cyberhighway.net> dogsnus <"Terri"@cyberhighway .net> writes:
>
> >His socks, Twizl's socks or you and your husband's socks??
>
> Any and all socks. He loves them all, even Newfy socks.
Ahh, I love it. An "equal sockortunity sockmuncher"! It's so 90's,
so politically correct!
Oh cripes, I hope I haven't offended him by calling him a sockmuncher!!!
That could be so politically incorrect!
YIKES!
Uh, cotton/wool eating four legged canine?
Terri
Oh, yes, just for you Ann,
here it is, it's a dirty job, but someone has to do it..
"HITLER!"
Suzanne Way
All I can say is I work with a fellow from Newfoundland who WANTS to hear all
the latest Newfie jokes and as no objection to being called a Newf. Others I
have known had the same attitude. You can call me "mick" (ancestry) or
"canuck"...I don't think any of these compare even remotely with the "N" word!
By the way, I also correspond with an Australian who had no objection when I
referred to an expression he used as "pure Aussie". It never occured to me that
this could be offensive until I saw how bent out of shape some people get over
such terms!
Sue.
doggies wrote:
> >The term "Newfie" is used much the same way as the terms polak,kike, spic,
> >nigger, wop and other ethnic slurs are used. Many of the jokes made about
> >"newfies" were just retellings of previous "polak" and other ethnic jokes.
> >Would you want to use any of these other offensive terms on a breed of
> >dogs?
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >I'll admit that some words, like Canuck, go from being slurs to being
> >colourful adjectives. Fifty years ago, you might have got your head caved
> >in if you call a Canadian a canuck. Today, we have a hockey team named
> >after them. Perhaps one day, the term "newfie" won't sting. Until that day,
> >I'll call the dog a Newfoundland.
> >
> >James Linn
>
> Can you please explain what is so derogatory about the term "newfie"???
> The others you mentioned are definetly derogatory (I won't even type them
> out).
>
> Please SOMEONE explain so we can put an end to this thread!
> >
THE TOFFEE
Hold on folks... sending a question to the newfoundland dog list where we also
have breeders from Newfoundland... wait for a reply.. :)
Personally it doesn't bother me what you call my dogs, but I do respect not
calling the people Newfies...
Stacy
Kiredor Newfoundlands.
cindy inness
Can you please explain what is so derogatory about the term "newfie"???
The others you mentioned are definetly derogatory (I won't even type them
out).
Please SOMEONE explain so we can put an end to this thread! "
O.K people..I will put an end to this..I am not a newfie, but I am
Canadian and will tell you that no one even says this word anymore...I
know that it is insulting to NF's but really don't know think I would have
the oppurtunity to say it to an actual person anyway..If I had a NF dog, I
would most likely call it a newf. (if only because I think newfie sounds
goofy as a word..but that has nothing to do with being PC.)..I do know
that Newfie carries the connotation of being backwards, dumb,
stupid...This is why it is insulting...As in "that hick newfie
person"..But I might still call my dog that (if I wanted to)..just like I
would call my friend Nickie,..instead of Nicholas..or Nicole..THere!!