Goldendoodle??????? Help
Danny Ocean
I was researching different dog breeds last night and came across a breed
that has really caught my interest.......
The Goldendoodle....this breed is everything I'm looking for in a dog.
Problem is I live in Southern Ca. and the closest breeder found in the U.S.
is in Oklahoma..
Any Info on anyone breeding these dogs on the west coast would be
appreciated....
Would anyone out there consider breeding this dog??
check out the site........What's not to love??
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/goldendoodle.htm
Thanks
Robert
Jeff Harper
The Goldendoodle is not a breed. It is a first generation cross between two
breeds: Golden Retriever and Poodle.
While such a cross may indeed result in a fine companion dog, you should be
very wary of the breeders who produce Goldendoodles.
Typically they are bred by inferior breeders who are using inferior stock
and are motivated solely by profit rather than love for dogs. That lack of
love for their dogs brings with it several unpleasant drawbacks. The
bitches may be bred too young and too frequently and both sires may lead
poor quality lives, as their only purpose is to propagate. The resulting
puppies may be poorly socialized--largely isolated from interaction with
other dogs and with people, resulting in unhappiness and emotionally messed
up dogs. These breeders are generally interested in sales and will sell to
anyone, regardless of how well they are suited. They may also tout their
dogs as having all sorts of virtues that they are in reality not likely to
have. For example, they may claim their dogs don't shed and are
hypoallergenic, etc.
Jeff
Jeff Harper
jeff#doplay.com
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Mud E Poz
Manadero
>Would anyone out there consider breeding this dog??
>
Only an irresponsible breeder looking to make a buck.
>check out the site........What's not to love??
People purposely breeding more mixed breed pups and conning gullible people
into paying high dollar for a "breed"? Thousands of nice dogs will die in
America today because of a lack of homes. Instead of rewarding a misbreeder,
why not just rescue a nice mix from your local shelter for about $50.00?
Here's a great place to start
Robin
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> Hi .......
> I was researching different dog breeds last night and came across a breed
> that has really caught my interest.......
> The Goldendoodle....this breed is everything I'm looking for in a dog.
I can see why you might think so. Of course that presupposes that the
information you are reading is accurate. To determine the degree of
accuracy of the information it would be best to locate independent,
unbiased, objective evaluations. You will have difficulty in finding
those assessments.
To begin with the "Goldendoodle" is not a breed. It is a mixed breed.
A breed is created when traits become fixed and are predictable from one
generation to the next. The traits of the "Goldendoodle" are not fixed
nor are there specific standards of temperament, behavior, and
conformation against which to evaluate the degree to which predictability
has been achieved. The website, BTW, is quite clear on the fact that
this is a mixed breed, not a breed. It is also quite clear on the fact
that the traits are not predictable but vary quite a bit.
The description of lack of shared problems is also inaccurate. OFA
reports the rate of CHD (Canine Hip Dysplasia) in the Golden Retriever to
be 21% (higher than the German Shepherd Dog) and the Poodle to be more
than 13%. Keeping in mind that submitting OFA results is voluntary one
should expect that actual rates among the entire population are even
higher. I'm agahst that the author of that webpage calls that a "minor"
concern. PRA is a problem shared by both breeds - and as it causes
blindness again I am extremely troubled by labeling that as a "minor"
concern. Golden Retrievers have thyroid problems at roughly 9% while the
poodle comes in at about 4%. Epilepsy is also a problem common to both
breeds.
> Problem is I live in Southern Ca. and the closest breeder found in the U.S.
> is in Oklahoma.
> Any Info on anyone breeding these dogs on the west coast would be
> appreciated....
> Would anyone out there consider breeding this dog??
I think you will have an extremely difficult time finding someone who
is a responsible breeder. You may not have trouble finding people who
view dogs as livestock and will be happy to breed to meet market demand.
People who breed for the market instead of the best interests of the dog
explain why we kill so many dogs across the United States. It is, of
course, up to you and your personal views on dogs as to whether you are
comfortable encouraging breeders who wash their hands of the pup as soon
as it is out the door.
> check out the site........What's not to love??
> http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/goldendoodle.htm
There are hundreds of thousands of very nice wonderful beautiful family
pet dogs being killed in shelters every year simply because there are
more dogs than homes that want them. What is the justification of
breeding any dog? The only justification I can think of is that what you
breed has qualities BETTER than those wonderful companion dogs being
killed in our shelters. That would mean that they have a BETTER chance of
getting and keeping a home. The biggest reason for dogs ending up in
shelters is that the person didn't know what to expect. Thus you do not
achieve a BETTER dog by breeding more with unpredictable qualities -
which the website on the Goldendoodle is very clear about - there is a
wide range of variablity to the mix.
Basically I have exactly the same standards for mixed breeds as for
purebreds. I expect that the breeder does appropriate health and
temperament testing and is knowledgable enough to properly place the
dogs, and provides the proper adoptive support, and takes responsiblity
for what they produce for its lifetime. Take a look at
http://www.dog-play.com/ethics.html
Feel free to tell me any points you think are unnecessary and why.
It seems to me that if you want a dog that might or might not have a
particular coat, and might or might not shed much, might or might not
need grooming to remove the unshed but dead coat, might or might not be a
particular size, then you can achieve this goal by selecting a dog that
meets your needs from shelters or rescue. What you will get in this mix
is no better than dogs that are dying right now for lack of someone who
cares.
Oh - and all three of my dogs are mixes. One was a mere 5 WEEKS old when
he and his littermates were dumped at the local shelter. They are
WONDERFUL dogs.
Diane Blackman
http://www.dog-play.com
Diana McCarty
Look at the breed description. Sometimes it looks more like a poodle and
sometimes it looks more like a golden. ????? sometimes the coat is curly
sometimes it isn't.....?There is no standard breed type so you will NOT know
what size you are talking about or temperament (some poodles are incredibly
hyper and neurotic)
In addition they have quite a limited list of what genetic defects/issues
are possible. Folks I know with Poodles have frequent and persistent skin
allergies that are at the least unsightly and the worst - high maintenance.
In general ANY BREED SITE THAT ONLY HAS GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE DOGS -
WITH NO MENTION OF THEIR FAULTS OR BEHAVIORS THAT MIGHT NOT BE PLEASING IS
ONE YOU SHOULD STEER AWAY FROM!
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Andrea
-Andrea
"Danny Ocean" <vs...@gte.net> wrote in message
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> Hi .......
>
> I was researching different dog breeds last night and came across a breed
> that has really caught my interest.......
> The Goldendoodle....
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Danny Ocean
In search of my mutt.......at the pound I hope
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Rocky
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> Thanks all............your info is greatly appreciated.......
> In search of my mutt.......at the pound I hope
Fantastic! You'll find a great dog there.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Chris Jung
"Diana McCarty" <dmc...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> I sure can direct you to a closer animal - go to the pound. It is a mutt.
> In addition they have quite a limited list of what genetic defects/issues
> are possible. Folks I know with Poodles have frequent and persistent skin
> allergies that are at the least unsightly and the worst - high
maintenance.
>
> In general ANY BREED SITE THAT ONLY HAS GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THE
DOGS -
> WITH NO MENTION OF THEIR FAULTS OR BEHAVIORS THAT MIGHT NOT BE PLEASING IS
> ONE YOU SHOULD STEER AWAY FROM!
One thing I tell folks about dogs and shedding is that there is no free
lunch. That is no or low shedding means high grooming requirements and low
grooming requirements means high shedding. The goldendoodle website says
that these dogs are low shedding with low maintenance (i.e., low grooming
requirements) which I bet isn't anywhere near the truth. Looking at the dog
in the picture, I bet it was "let go" (not groomed) for a year, it would be
in very bad shape (i.e., coat in one solid mat). If I didn't groom my smooth
collies (a low coat maintenance/high shedding kind of dog) for a year, they
would be fine but the floor in our house would be 1 foot deep in fur. Even
no hair/nearly bald breeds like the Chinese Crested or the Xolo have
surprising grooming requirements (protecting from sunburn and battling
acne/blackheads).
Chris and her snoozing smoothies,
Zeffie and Pablo