Thanks,
Robby
A lurcher is a cross between a sight-hound and a herding dog.
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Robby
A Lurcher has long been the friend of the English farmer - and
poacher, alike. It is most usually a mix of a Greyhound and an
Airedale. Puppies from this cross seem to look surprisingly alike.
Sort of a slightly wire coated Greyhound.
They follow the combines at harvest time and catch and kill rabbits
which are scared up by the machine. When I was a small girl almost
every farmer we knew kept one or two. They helped keep vermin and
rabbits down in the farmyard as well as the fields.
I also knew a famous breeder/exhibitor of Greyhounds in the US, who
also used to breed them. She called them "Greydales"
Here is a pic of one belonging to a neighbour of Stanley Dangerfield
in Kent, England.
http://home.earthlink.net/~elizabethk/Lurcher.jpg
>I thought a lurcher was a cross between a greyhound and anything else,
>but normally crossed with a terrier.
>
>There was a lovely one at the Morris Animal Refuge in Philly a month ago
> Melanie Lee Chang
Quite true Melanie. Lurchers "can" be a Greyhound/Anything cross, but
most of the time, those who do it on purpose use Airedales since they
seems to be the mix which produced the ideal dog they had in mind.
I don't believe I have seen a Lurcher that was not a Greyhound x
Airedale. And I have seen quite a lot. The thing which strikes me tho
is that they all looked so very much alike. Almost just like the pic I
posted. My Uncle Fred in Bunwell, Norfolk, kept several on his farm
and every one looked like that in the pic but were not related.
Liz
>A Lurcher has long been the friend of the English farmer - and
>poacher, alike. It is most usually a mix of a Greyhound and an
>Airedale.
Actually, there are a whole variety of crosses used, depending on the
purpose of the dog. Add to that the number of accidental lurchers, which
far outnumber any purpose-bred ones, and the variety is quite
incredible.
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>I don't believe I have seen a Lurcher that was not a Greyhound x
>Airedale. And I have seen quite a lot. The thing which strikes me tho
>is that they all looked so very much alike. Almost just like the pic I
>posted. My Uncle Fred in Bunwell, Norfolk, kept several on his farm
>and every one looked like that in the pic but were not related.
I've not seen a single greyhound/airedale lurcher. It doesn't mean they
don't exist, but they're certainly not the only type. Don't be fooled by
those rough coats - if a coated dog is crossed with a greyhound you
quite often get them, regardless of the breed. There are also many
short-coated lurchers, but you may easily mistake them for ex-racing
greyhounds, since there's a lot of variety in them too.
If you go to a lurcher show, you'll find classes for the small ones
(whippet-based lurchers) and big ones (greyhound, etc) and sometimes
even for the giant ones (wolfhound, deerhound, etc). There will also be
classes for the different coat types. I've noticed that the larger ones
are quite popular in certain kinds of lurcher competition - I've not
been following lurchers for a few years now, but when I used to attend
that sort of thing, the dog of choice for high jumping was
greyhound/wolfhound.
You can go to my page (http://www.bloodaxe.demon.co.uk/dogs.html) and
look at Bobster - he's a short-coated lurcher. In fact, the first dog on
the page (Red) is technically a lurcher also, being a cross between a
corgi and a basenji.
> There was a lovely one at the Morris Animal Refuge in Philly a month ago.
I guess so, my memory must be failing.
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:A lurcher is a cross between a
:sight-hound and a herding dog.
Or a sighthound and a terrier.
JohnR
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pink squeaky toy!
Rob,
A lurches is generally a sighthound crossed with either a terrier or a
herding dog such as a collie. The origional "lurchers" Were probably
developed in old England during the time of land tenent.
As all the King's forests were "off limits" to commoners for hunting...the
local magistrate made sure the commoners didn't poach in the forest by
hamstranging the local dogs. The only dogs that got away from this creulty
were shepherd's dogs, which were needed to herd the livestock and bring it
in for the King's dinner or taxes. SO the smart shepherd/farmers started
crossing their "herding dogs" with some sleek and game driven "sight hounds"
to produce a dog that sort of looked like a herding dog, but could be snuck
into the forest to poach the farmer's dinner...
Here's some great websites about lurchers...
http://www.users.daelnet.co.uk/lurchers/
http://www.lurcher.com/
http://www.creamy.demon.co.uk/
All the best..
Marla Belzowski
& the LegendHold Collie Clan
>
>
:Add to that the number of accidental lurchers
Heather Marie, the WhipPit, is an "accidental
lurcher". And I dare say you'd be hard pressed
to find a dog who can run down and kill rabbits
quicker than she can. No, I don't do this as
sport OR as real hunting for game. It's more
of one of those alarming backyard dramas I
never asked for but have gotten anyway.
We're up to three rabbits now, plus one
squirrel and one rat.
Heather Marie weighs in at about 36lbs.
My Pit Bull Pablo weighs in at about 52lbs.
Despite this disparity in size and the fact
that Pit Bulls are not exactly known for
having dainty dentition, Heather's teeth
are just a shade smaller than Pablo's.
>In article <39f8ac3...@news.earthlink.net>, ElizabethK
><eliza...@earthlink.net> writes
>
>>A Lurcher has long been the friend of the English farmer - and
>>poacher, alike. It is most usually a mix of a Greyhound and an
>>Airedale.
>
>Actually, there are a whole variety of crosses used, depending on the
>purpose of the dog. Add to that the number of accidental lurchers, which
>far outnumber any purpose-bred ones, and the variety is quite
>incredible.
>
>- ANDREA
>
I really can only ever remember the G x A Lurcher types, but I see
from that page that like everything else, many are now breeding them
and using all types of crosses. If indeed there are "accidental"
Lurchers I wonder how they decide they are in fact Lurchers. Sounds
like these days almost anything goes in the making of one so that they
no longer might be immediately identified as such - like years ago. I
note also that in the US old time Lurcherers think that the only cross
should be Greyhound x Collie. Also a quick glance at the page sees
they use much space speaking of hybrid vigour and how many generations
of L x L is apt to lose it etc.
Strikes me that these days hardly any of them would look alike
inasmuch as so many crosses can be and are, used and with incredible
size differences. However there seems to be a dog to meet everyone's
needs in this "breed" of many others.
For my money I'd stick to the old timer's mix in England that earned
the breed the name of "The Poacher Dog"
Liz
To paraphrase from http://www.dreamwater.com/malcsworld/petdog/lurcher.html
"Lurchers are working dogs, used for hunting rabbits, hares and foxes. They
have been used for hunting for many centuries, and in the past the lurcher
and his owner have been unfairly associated with a 'roguish' type of figure
and illicit hunting. It is commonly known as the poacher's dog.
One definition says a Lurcher is a hound crossed with any other dog.
Historically Greyhounds were first crossed with a herding type of dog, that
being all that was available.
Legends and folklore of the 18th century tell of a truly amazing beast - a
dog that was brave, bold, cunning, loyal, fast, trainable and very adept at
scent hunting. Anyone who has owned a Lurcher will attest that these traits
have survived in strength.
Greyhound X Collie is a very popular Lurcher, but there are many different
crosses and multiples of crosses, which breed superb dogs.
They have their own club, with shows held around the country. As well as
show classes, obedience and racing are often part of these shows.
They make ideal pets, as well as working or show dogs. They are laid back
animals, accepting life without complaint. They are as happy with a
10-minute walk round the block, as a 10-mile treck across the moors.
Being sociable by nature, they are normally good with other people and
animals. They can be shown, worked with prey, live or imitation; worked to
obedience or agility; or just kept as a pet.
A view of the Lurcher is of a magnificent beast, with its sleek silhouette
seen disappearing after prey across the moor in the moonlight. A more
realistic one is seeing it's sleek silhouette disappearing down the bottom
of the garden with the pork-chop it has just stolen from your unattended
dinner-plate in his mouth.
It must also be remembered Lurchers have a strong hunting instinct, and will
usually chase any fast moving animal."
Robert Johnson, Jr. <robbyj...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>Heather Marie, the WhipPit, is an "accidental
>lurcher". And I dare say you'd be hard pressed
>to find a dog who can run down and kill rabbits
>quicker than she can.
Damn, does she do gophers? Would you lend her
to me for a few weeks if so??
--Cindy
>Heather Marie, the WhipPit, is an "accidental
>lurcher". And I dare say you'd be hard pressed
>to find a dog who can run down and kill rabbits
>quicker than she can.
Cindy replies:
:Damn, does she do gophers? Would you lend her
:to me for a few weeks if so??
I'm sure she would find that sheer heaven.
I HAVE actually considered taking her
coypu hunting, as coypus are singularly
destructive invasive animals and I'm
kinda curious how the WhipPit would
stack up against the Pit Bull X Working
Terrier Mixes who are the number one,
well, obviously not breed, but TYPE of
dog used in hunting coypus. But I guess
this stuff just ain't in my blood enough
to get me past the "sitting around and
wondering about it" stage.
Lurchers are used in combo with
various Earth Dogs (working terriers
or, yes, Dachshunds) on rabbits and
especially ground hogs on organic
farms in NJ and elsewhere. So to any
"purer than pure" vegan who's been
reading this thread with disdain:
You're fruits and veggies made it
to market only because LOTS of
animals have died trying to eat
them first. And Lurchers have
killed a lot of them.
>Diane Blackman writes:
>
>:A lurcher is a cross between a
>:sight-hound and a herding dog.
>
>Or a sighthound and a terrier.
Or a sighthound and a Labrador retriever, or any other non-sighthound.
Long dogs are sighthound crosses.
Sally Hennessey
>On 26 Oct 2000 23:43:46 GMT Melanie L Chang <mlc...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu> whittled these words:
>> I thought a lurcher was a cross between a greyhound and anything else,
>> but normally crossed with a terrier.
Actually I think this definition is correct. A lurcher is
specificially a GH crossed with a non-sighthound. Doesn't have to be
a terrier though.
Sally Hennessey
Robby
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>>
>I really can only ever remember the G x A Lurcher types, but I see
>from that page that like everything else, many are now breeding them
>and using all types of crosses. If indeed there are "accidental"
>Lurchers I wonder how they decide they are in fact Lurchers
Andrea was correct , Lurchers that are actually working dogs are most
often purpose bred , and the variety of crosses is quite wide , they are
often worked in conjunction with Fells ( Patterdale's) and other sorts of
working Terriers. Particularly when the terrier is being used to bolt game
from the earth ( hole) which it has been set into.
And though I've seen the Airedale cross I've seen quite a lot that were
crosses into other Terriers , the only thing mattering is that the Terrier
in question be a * good WORKING individual *.
And I'm sorry I haven't checked into the group in a bit , I'd have rather
arrived in this discussion while it was still going rather than at the tail
end.
Exactly correct and a nice capsule synopsis of the history of a specific
type of little known working dog.
Have you perused Plummers seminal work on lurchers? Though he's
most often known for his works on Terriers , specifically the Fells.
No, I'm not really a lurcher fan. I came across a lot of the history of the
lurcher when I was doing research on the origins of the collie, both rough
and smooth, as they diverged a bit in their development.
I find crossing breeding dogs to basically be irresponsible. I understand
why people do this, but I don't sanction it. Someone asked for information
and I provided it.
If people are specifically creating lurchers, then I hope they are placing
any pups they do not keep to work on spay/neuter contracts and being
responsible about completing health test and trailing them and their
parents, just as you would a purebred dog. AS I think there are many
purebred dogs that would fit the nitch of the lurcher today and as dogs are
not hamstrung by local magistrates anymore, actively promoting lurchers is
pretty much just giving the impression that mix breeding dogs is still
acceptable. I really don't think it is.
Sorry....you asked my views and interest in the matter, now you have
them.....
Marla Belzowski
& The LegendHold Collie Clan
:AS I think there are many purebred dogs
:that would fit the nitch of the lurcher today
If that were really so, then that's
what the lurchermen would probably
do. Theirs is a world where nothing
succeeds like success.
And while I hear what you are are saying and at his juncture am actively
argueing with someone AGAINST deliberate crossbreeding in a different
forum I must say that if *anything* worked as well as a Lurcher then folks
utilising them would be using it , most folks with Lurchers are no nonsense
working dog types and aren't about to place pups in nonwprking homes and
you've missed the fact that many subsequently breed Lurcher to Lurcher
after the initial cross.
I disagree that it promotes " mixed breeding" and putting Lurchers
in the category of crap like Labradoodles PekeAPoms and the like
is doing a grave disservice to a fine working dog on your part.
> Sorry....you asked my views and interest in the matter, now you have
>them.....
Mine are different I see them as a a highly specific working dog for
a specific task.
I know that.
>
> I disagree that it promotes " mixed breeding" and putting Lurchers
> in the category of crap like Labradoodles PekeAPoms and the like
> is doing a grave disservice to a fine working dog on your part.
Sorry a mixed breed is a mixed breed in my eyes. Lurchers are no defferent
that Peke-a-poos if you ask me. Their owners and breeders also claim that
they make better "companions" so I really don't see the difference. Lurchers
have no recognized standard, just like the poo-mixes. I know many mixbreeds
that do work (beagle/bassets that are drug and USDA contraband dogs) and are
terrific service dogs (Lab/golden...shepherd/collie...poodle/lab), but they
were irresponsibly bred to me to start with.
>
>
> > Sorry....you asked my views and interest in the matter, now you have
> >them.....
>
>
> Mine are different I see them as a a highly specific working dog for
> a specific task.
So are many purebred dogs and they can do the same jobs if you breed for
that specific trait in your bloodlines and you are much more likely to get
that trait once it is established, by selectively breeding pure.
I actually just got this book...and am really enjoying all of the European
dog breeds in there I'd never seen before (or only briefly on rarely
broadcast FCI dog show). The proper title is: _Eyewitness
Handbook:_Dogs_ by David Alderton. "The visual guide to over 300 dog
breeds from around the world." According to the data in it (I know it's
been discussed many times), it lists the Sloughi as one of the oldest
"breeds", dating back to 6000bc!
Shelly (Who thinks the Picardy Shepherd is adorable!!), Coda & Guiness...
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:Have you got any pics of the lovely
:Heather Marie?
I'll send you a couple of jpegs!
:so they were crossing the hounds
:with other breeds to sell 'rare lurchers'
Which is simply standard fad-breeding
of "rarities", a common problem in
PUREBRED breeding, and the reason
why once rare breeds such as Jack
Russells are just a wee bit rarer than
pigeons by now.
Hey, no fair...you got a new dog and you haven't sent a picture to me yet??
Why, I think I'm just going to have to do a lot of indignant pouting and toe
tapping here!! I wanna see her tooooooo...........
Lois E. ;)
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:Hey, no fair...you got a new dog and
:you haven't sent a picture to me yet??
:Why, I think I'm just going to have to do
:a lot of indignant pouting and toe
:tapping here!! I wanna see her tooooooo...........
Not a new dog, just the same old Heather
Marie. But I'll send you the "Bully Ballet"
jpeg featuring Heather, Beth and Pablo
anyway, as it is tres cool in my just
a wee bit biased estimation! :)
>Lurchers
>have no recognized standard, just like the poo-mixes.
Actually, that's not strictly true - the UK lurcher judges have quite
specific things that they're looking for in each class, it's just not a
KC standard that they're judging to. They go over the dogs the same way,
and judge the dogs' movement. They'll check everything from bite to
length of tail. Lurcher shows have conformation classes, and a variety
of performance events. They're also popular coursing dogs. Of course
they can (and do) like any other dog take part in KC agility or
obedience competition.
It seems that they've emerged in the US as a purpose-bred 'rare'
commodity, but as they're common here (and have been for centuries) they
have much the same status here as Jack Russells do. That being said, I
believe there are lurcher shows in the US too, but I have no idea what
form they take.
Here are a couple of interesting reports from lurcher shows:
http://www.dreamwater.com/malcsworld/barn2000/norwich.htm
http://www.dreamwater.com/malcsworld/barn2000/swaffam.htm
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But that's here in the US, not in England where in many places they're still
working dogs.
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Are you talking about the martingale? or something else? In what way is
the design of the lurcher collar special? I'm aware of "greyhound
collars" or "sighthound collars" but haven't heard of a "lurcher collar."
The sighthounds have small heads and a smooth head shape. That means
collars tend to come off easily. Sighthound collars are designed to be
comfortable but still not slip easily over the head. They are typically
fitted either with an extra wide collar or what is variously called a
"half-check" or "martingale" or "limited slip" or "greyhound collar".
The extra wide collar is just that, otherwise nothing special. The
martingale has two basic parts. The main body of the collar has a ring
at each end, then a loop of material connects those two ends. The leash
is connected to the loop part. The collar can loosen to the extent of
the loop and only tighten to the point the two rings on the main body
come together. Martingales can be made of flat leather, nylon, cloth, or
chain or a combination - typically the loop part is chain and the rest
something else.
http://www.canineuniversity.com/articles/products/products_09.html
http://www.ameliasys.com/bunnyrun/lead1.html
http://www.redtaildesign.com/premier/martingale.shtml
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It was and is..Thank you!! I've got some pix of our old girl, Panda...and
also some of my son and his horse. He is a natural rider, and he and his
mare are quickly learning to be a team. I'm really proud of him...can you
tell?
Lois E.
Do you mean the leather 'kipper' collar? That's actually a traditional
sighthound collar as used in the UK, although martingales (we'd call it
a 'half-check' in the UK) are more popular for sighthounds in the US.
The collar is designed to be wide and flat, and is worn closely fitted
at the top of the neck. Most sighthound heads are nearly as narrow as
their necks are, so 'normal' collars just slip off. The 'kipper' collars
help prevent this.
Coondogger