AKC registration?
Jennifer
I recently adopted a Golden Retriever pup who has AKC papers. The owners
I got him from had never bothered to register him.
Does anyone know what the advantages of registering him with the AKC
would be? I'm not interested in him ever competing in field trials or
competitions. He is just a beloved member of the family not something
for
show.
Is it worth me getting all the forms signed and sending the AKC the
money just to get a certificate with me as the owner on it?
Jennifer.
Jtu...@esoc.esa.de
Darmstadt, Germany
Sudhir B Nayak
Depends on if you want to compete in AKC events. If not then save your
money. There may be an advantage if you have the dog chipped though.
It just gives another way to trace the dog.
Jennifer (jtu...@esoc.esa.de) wrote:
: I recently adopted a Golden Retriever pup who has AKC papers. The owners
: Jennifer.
: Jtu...@esoc.esa.de
: Darmstadt, Germany
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PumknThief
Your address is in Germany?
>Jennifer.
>Jtu...@esoc.esa.de
>Darmstadt, Germany
There's no AKC competitions there. The only thing that AKC papers can give
you is a pedigree (ordered from AKC for a fee) if you do not already have
one. It also proves ownership. You can, however, use the AKC papers to
possibly register with a registry in Germany. That way, if you want to
compete, you can. If not, save your money.
Lisa Baird
JAshby1041 wrote:
> Personally, I find AKC a pain in the butt, because they are taking
> months
> to register my dog, but putting that aside, if you do not have plans
> to
> show the dog in an AKC show and if you are not planning on breeding
> it, I
> think it is a waste of time and money. It costs $35.
Are you sure of the registration fee??? Last time I saw a blue slip it
was about $7 or so!!! I know getting an ILP is more expensive
(Indefinite Listing Privelige, for dogs that are purebred, but have no
papers for one reason or another), but can't imagine registering pups
has gone up that much!
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It costs $8 to register to a dog with the American Kennel Club.
JAshby1041
Yes, that's how much they charged me. It was right there on the
registrations form. For anyone who is interested, they have a web site at
www.akc.org. Branching off of that are sites about registration, pedigree,
etc. My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC. We sent our
papers in 5-30-97. There was a mix up with the pedigree on the father's
side which should be cleared up, as I see it. We are still waiting on the
papers.
PumknThief
Are you sure you've got the right Kennel Club? I don't think that the AKC
registers a Norweigian Buhund.
JAshby1041
Jim
I have no idea why you sent them that much for recording your
registration. Recording fees are $10.00. I'm looking at
registration papers as I type on my puppies and that is the
cost.
Jim
Pegnoca
It does cost $35 to add a dog to the AKC's FSS, and the original poster
remarked that the dog breed is the Norwegian Buhund...which is NOT AKC but
probably IS on the FSS...
The FSS is the AKC's Foundation Stock Service, which is a sort of
rare-breed registry that the AKC runs. They don't call it a registry, but
rather call it a service, because to the AKC, the term registry applies to
the database where they keep all the information about the 140+ breeds they
DO recognize.
The original poster commented that it was taking several months to
register the dog. Without commenting on the timespan of several months, it
is not a surprise that the FSS processing takes longer because it requires
MUCH more hand-processing than the standard registry processing.
One last thing: the poster must be aware that the AKC does considers a
dog on the FSS to be "listed" not 'registered' (Registered is another of
those terms that applies only to the 140+ AKC breeds.)
Hope this helps
Peggy Wolfe (Owner of iron N'Stone Cadimus, 5.5 year old male Neapolitan
Mastiff, co-owner of Iron N' Stone Geauneau, 1 year old mahogany female
Neapolitan Mastiff, and owner of Iron N'Stone Oliver Hardy, 1.5 year old
black Brussels Griffon)
Lisa Baird
Jim wrote:
> jashb...@aol.com (JAshby1041) wrote:
> >Yes, that's how much they charged me. It was right there on the
> >registrations form. For anyone who is interested, they have a web
> site at
> >www.akc.org. Branching off of that are sites about registration,
> pedigree,
> >etc. My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC. We sent
> our
> >papers in 5-30-97. There was a mix up with the pedigree on the
> father's
> >side which should be cleared up, as I see it. We are still waiting on
> the
> >papers.
> >
>
I just visited the AKC Web Site, I cut this section from their FAQ. As
yu can see, it is NOT a $35 fee. Are you sure you're not talking about
litter reg? or are did you just send in a blue slip, for a single puppy
reg? Perhpas your breed is still in Misc. and they may have some
different guidelines. However, to the original poster asking about
registering their dog, it is certainly $10 or underm depending on
whether or not the FAQ is totally up to date.
WHy register? If you do not intend to show in any AKC events, there is
really no reason, other than the "pride" of having the papers. The
papers themselves have no value, what does is the pedigree and
knowledgable breeding behind those names on the piece of paper. And if
the dog is over a year, you may run into some red tape, since they now
have a time limit for registration.
"Dog Registration
What do I get for my $8.00 registration fee?
The AKC is a non-profit organization. Most of your registration fee
covers the basic administrative costs of registering your dog and
providing you with an AKC registration
certificate. In addition to the ability to participate in AKC
events, registration enables you to trace your dog's family tree. "
> I have no idea why you sent them that much for recording your
> registration. Recording fees are $10.00. I'm looking at
> registration papers as I type on my puppies and that is the
> cost.
> Jim
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In article <341CEE...@esoc.esa.de>, Jennifer <jtu...@esoc.esa.de> writes:
> I recently adopted a Golden Retriever pup who has AKC papers. The owners
> I got him from had never bothered to register him.
>
> Does anyone know what the advantages of registering him with the AKC
> would be? I'm not interested in him ever competing in field trials or
> competitions. He is just a beloved member of the family not something
> for
> show.
> Is it worth me getting all the forms signed and sending the AKC the
> money just to get a certificate with me as the owner on it?
How old are the papers now? If it's within the time limits for just
getting the forms signed and sending it in, it's probably worth the
$8. At least it was $8 when I registered my Collie puppy last
January. Even if it's gone up, it won't go up that much. You'll have
the registration then in case you decide heck, you DO want to do
obedience or field competition or whatever.
OTOH, if the papers are "old" there will be additional fees to
register and maybe they won't even do it at all. Read the form, it
should tell you when it was issued and how long you have before
penalties apply and special circumstances are required. If it's going
to be a hassle, and you don't plan to show or trial, then why worry
about it. If you change your mind later, and decide you want to
trial, you can have the dog neutered and get an Indefinite Listing
Priveledge number for $25. That's a lot more than $8 if you do a
simple registration, but it's less money and less hassle than
registering a dog with, say, a 2-year-old registration application.
AND you can use the papers that you never registered as your proof
that the dog is a Golden for the ILP.
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dogsnus
JAshby1041 wrote:
>
> Yes, that's how much they charged me. It was right there on the
> registrations form. For anyone who is interested, they have a web site at
> www.akc.org. Branching off of that are sites about registration, pedigree,
> etc. My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC. We sent our
> papers in 5-30-97. There was a mix up with the pedigree on the father's
> side which should be cleared up, as I see it. We are still waiting on the
> papers.
with the AKC at all, but someone else? It cost me 10.00 per dog
last yr. to register mine.
Terri
Jim
peg...@aol.com (Pegnoca) wrote:
>It does cost $35 to add a dog to the AKC's FSS, and the original poster
>remarked that the dog breed is the Norwegian Buhund...which is NOT AKC but
>probably IS on the FSS...
>
>The FSS is the AKC's Foundation Stock Service, which is a sort of
>rare-breed registry that the AKC runs. They don't call it a registry, but
>rather call it a service, because to the AKC, the term registry applies to
>the database where they keep all the information about the 140+ breeds they
>DO recognize.
>
>The original poster commented that it was taking several months to
>register the dog. Without commenting on the timespan of several months, it
>is not a surprise that the FSS processing takes longer because it requires
>MUCH more hand-processing than the standard registry processing.
>
>One last thing: the poster must be aware that the AKC does considers a
>dog on the FSS to be "listed" not 'registered' (Registered is another of
>those terms that applies only to the 140+ AKC breeds.)
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I have registered, yes registered, 6
German Pinschers with the AKC through thier FSS program. The
FSS stands for Foundation Stock Service. It is a way to help
expedite the acceptance of a breed that is under consideration
for full recognition by the AKC. The fee to register record in
this program is $10,00. The fee to register a litter is $20.00.
Jim
Beau Gales
To anyone who knows how the AKC works, AKC registration is a joke anyway..
about as much value as a dog with a roll of toilet paper...that is what
AKC papers are worth!
Pegnoca
>Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I have registered, yes registered, 6
>German Pinschers with the AKC through thier FSS program. T
Excuse me but I don't think I'm wrong. I have spoken with the FSS person,
and have worked quite closely with the department involved in recognizing
breeds in my work with the Neapolitan Mastiff and they are quite careful to
tell you that the FSS is not a registry, and a dog added to the AKC's FSS
is not AKC-registered.
It is true that one of the purposes of the FSS is to help the transition
of rare breeds to full acceptance and recognition by the AKC. One of the
hardest hurdles in this endeavor is always the turning over of the
registry paperwork from the rare-breed to the AKC. And when that is done
against a strict timeline and deadline, as it happens after recognition is
announced, it can be problematic.
The AKC adds the dogs to a separate database and does all the editing and
cleaning up and then when the date comes for full acceptance and
recognition (the records from the separate database are copied to the
"official" database. This separate database has become the FSS.
Around Fall of 1995 they announced the FSS, which allows rare breed clubs
to turn their registries over at any time, and get all that clean-up done
early (so it doesn't delay the dates when recognition is approved).
The AKC also offers FSS as a professional business like service to clubs
that have no intention of ever going AKC. As it was noted, maybe not here
but elsewhere, there are often multiple breed-club registries for rare
breeds, not always run by people who are aware of validation procedures and
how to run a database. And the AKC can not only do this work in a stellar
fashion, but can take all the "personalities" out of the equation.
I suggest you look at your papers on your German Pinscher. Unless the
German Pinscher is AKC-recognized, the papers won't say registration
papers. Not saying, by the way, that the papers are any less important and
valuable. Just a technicallity, really....a medium-sized technicality
maybe, but not a really big one for a non-AKC breed.
By the way, the way I understand it, you can add a dog to the FSS and you
will get either a 'certificate" or a "letter". The "FSS Certificate" is
issued if the dog has a complete and acceptably documented 3-generation
pedigree on the FSS database. The "FSS Letter" is issued if the dog is on
the database but something makes the 3-generation pedigree either
incomplete or not well documented. Could be something as small as a
missing registration number in one of the three generations.
And it is my understanding that when a breed is recognized by the AKC,
only dogs with the "FSS Certificate" will be awarded AKC registration
numbers. The others would get limited registration. It's ok and perfectly
valid for them to appear on the pedigree, but after recognition, no new
offspring can be registered.
Respecfully,
Peggy Wolfe
JAshby1041
No, I registered with the AKC.
Karen Mailloux
In article <19970916052...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
pumkn...@aol.com (PumknThief) wrote:
> Are you sure you've got the right Kennel Club? I don't think that the AKC
> registers a Norweigian Buhund.
>
> jashb...@aol.com (JAshby1041) wrote:
> >>My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC. We sent our
> >>papers in 5-30-97.
The Norwegian Buhund *DID NOT* "go AKC", as in 'become a recognized AKC
breed for the purposes of participating in AKC sanctioned events', but may
be registered in the Foundation Stock Service (FSS) Registry, which
requires a different, higher fee.
Karen
The Notorious KMC...
JAshby1041 wrote:
>
> Yes, that's how much they charged me. It was right there on the
> registrations form.
> My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC.
Umm... No they didn't! Please don't mistake the AKC Foundation Stock
Service for AKC registration. They are not the same. The Buhund is not
an AKC breed...yet!
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Pegnoca wrote:
>
> >Wrong, wrong, and wrong. I have registered, yes registered, 6
> >German Pinschers with the AKC through thier FSS program. T
>
> Excuse me but I don't think I'm wrong. I have spoken with the FSS person,
> and have worked quite closely with the department involved in recognizing
> breeds in my work with the Neapolitan Mastiff and they are quite careful to
> tell you that the FSS is not a registry, and a dog added to the AKC's FSS
> is not AKC-registered.
I agree with Peggy here. FSS is NOT the same thing as being an AKC
recognized breed. It is simply a listing service and nothing more. As
evidence of this, FSS dogs have no right to show in any AKC event. Even
Miscellaneous Class dogs can show in conformation, although they can't
earn a championship...
dogsnus
The Notorious KMC... wrote:
>
> JAshby1041 wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that's how much they charged me. It was right there on the
> > registrations form.
>
> > My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC.
>
> Umm... No they didn't! Please don't mistake the AKC Foundation Stock
> Service for AKC registration. They are not the same. The Buhund is not
> an AKC breed...yet!
>
This breed is NOT an AKC breed! It's either a ABRA or a AKC Foundation
Service for the AKC!
Whew, thought I was losing my mind! Actually, already have, if
anyone sees my mind out there, please send it BACK!! Postage
guaranteed~!
Terri
JAshby1041
Subject: Re: AKC registration?
From: dogsnus <"Terri"@cyberhighway .net>
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:24:58 -0700
Message-id: <5vpvkv$d...@news1.zippo.com>
Yes, excuse me, you are correct. I am "registering" my dog for Foundation
Stock Service. Sorry. Perhaps that is why the fee is so high compared to
what others have been saying their fees were. By the by, the Norwegian
Buhund is a very nice breed. Having been to several shows and visited a few
breeders, I have met with a fairly large cross section of the Norwegian
Buhund population, and they do have a wonderful temperment.
AVRAMA GINGOLD
J> Yes, that's how much they charged me. It was right there on the
J> registrations form. For anyone who is interested, they have a web site at
J> www.akc.org. Branching off of that are sites about registration, pedigree,
J> etc. My dog is a Norwegian Buhund. Last year they went AKC. We sent our
J> papers in 5-30-97. There was a mix up with the pedigree on the father's
J> side which should be cleared up, as I see it. We are still waiting on the
J> papers.
J>
When did the Buhund get into Miscellaneous, let alone out of Miscellaneous?
The price of $35 still sounds off for regular registration. Let me check
with the AKC tomorrow.
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Cielcollie
doesn't AKC charge $35 for a certified pedigree?
carol zielke
ciel collies
dogsnus
looking to back further than the standard listings on the pedigree you
recieve.ie: many generations back....
Terri
Karen Mailloux
In article <5vsjnh$b...@news2.zippo.com>, dog...@mailhost.cyberhighway.net
wrote:
They only offer 3 or 4 generation pedigrees, with or without coat-colors.
Without double checking, I believe that a 3 generation, no colors pedigree
is about $18, and a 4 generation with colors is about $35 or $40.
If you want more generations, you visit the AKC in NYC and log many, many
hours doing the research yourself, in their stud-book archives, or pay an
independent pedigree service from $40 to $60 for 6 or 7 generations.
Karen
J TODDOT
If it's taking you months to get your papers from AKC you must be filling
them out incorrectly. I'll agree they can be a pain at times, but since
they have moved their operations to NC things are must smoother and faster.
I recently registered a litter and had the litter papers in 2 weeks. Cost
$18 for the litter. Individual registration is only $8 not $35.
Registraiton plus pedigree is $25. There are pros to registering, even
if you're not competting but again, it does cost the $8 to register.
Toddot Smooth Fox Terriers
JAshby1041
This is about a thread I started and I must admit that there IS a problem
since a couple of the pedigree #'s are not available! That is why this is
taking so long, I recently discovered. I think we have also decided that
the reason I am paying $35, is not for normal registration, but for
Foundation Stock Services.