BEWARE DO NOT BUY A DOG FROM MIKE''S FAMILY PETS AT TRADERS VILLAGE ARLINGTON,TX
jim
shelly
"jim" <jame...@nospam.swbell.net> wrote in message
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better yet, don't *ever* buy a dog from *any* petstore.
BTW, registration papers are no guarantee of good health.
--
shelly and elliott & harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
Christy
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>
> "jim" <jame...@nospam.swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:P%YS9.183$WZ1.17...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> > Click here to see why
> > http://www.geocities.com/jame...@swbell.net/main.html?1042045387093
>
> better yet, don't *ever* buy a dog from *any* petstore.
>
> BTW, registration papers are no guarantee of good health.
Especially ones from World Wide Kennel Club. Blech.
Jim, I'm afraid you learned a sad lesson. Please research puppy mills and
find out where your poor pup actually came from - you can find more info at
www.nopuppymills.com - and continue to educate everyone you can about never,
ever buying from irresponsible breeders, pet stores and puppy mills.
Christy
DobeFan
from ANY pet store.
Tricia9999
Manadero
>Click here to see why
>http://www.geocities.com/jame...@swbell.net/main.html?1042045387093
Sorry to hear of your problems. Registration alone is no proof of quality. I
do hope you've learned that the "quick and easy" choice of a pet store is the
wrong choice. Rewarding someone that breeds irresponsibly is never a good
idea, which is why knowledgeable people would never dream of patronizing _any_
pet store.
jim
a wonderful human being.
No one with an ounce of intelligence would see a dog suffering in a small
cage a want to give it a better life.
No one with an ounce of intelligence would pay a lot of money for vet care
to get the puppy well.
No one with an ounce of intelligence would be in contact with several news
organizations to get them to run a story on puppy mills to better inform the
public.
No one with an ounce of intelligence would hand feed the dog (because his
eyes are infected and he is blind).
No one with an ounce of intelligence would carry the dog where ever he
needed to go so he won't run into walls and open up wound on his already
damaged skin.
No one with an ounce of intelligence would hold him all night long to keep
him scratching his skin off.
No one with an ounce of intelligence would get on every news group he could
find and admit he was a moron just to try and reach that one person to keep
him from making the same mistake.
No an intelligent person would make a comment like you did.
Thank you for your time.
James Danek a man without an ounce of intelligence.
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Melinda Shore
jim <jame...@nospam.swbell.net> wrote:
>No one with an ounce of intelligence would see a dog suffering in a small
>cage a want to give it a better life.
No one with an ounce of compassion would provide a market
for the puppymill industry. If you think the puppy you
bought in a petstore is suffering, consider what its parents
are going through and what their future looks like.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
jim
had known I would have not bought the puppy. Instead of attacking someone
who did not have the right info before your efforts would be better served
getting the word out(not with attacks). I made a bad decision because I did
not have the facts. Two weeks ago I had never heard of a puppy mill.
As I was typing this message NBC called and want to do a story on Maverick.
Maybe something good can come of this.
James
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BethF
> Exactly, That is why I'm trying to get people the info I did not have. If
I
> had known I would have not bought the puppy. Instead of attacking someone
> who did not have the right info before your efforts would be better served
> getting the word out(not with attacks). I made a bad decision because I
did
> not have the facts. Two weeks ago I had never heard of a puppy mill.
>
> As I was typing this message NBC called and want to do a story on
Maverick.
> Maybe something good can come of this.
> James
Good luck James! Keep us posted.
Mary Healey
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would see a dog suffering in a small
> cage a want to give it a better life.
Well, I saw an intelligent dog suffering in a small cage and adopted
him. Of course, the small cage was at the Animal Rescue League, and the
dog was an unhomed stray. There are some forms of human idiocy I do not
choose to reward, and breeding dogs for the "retail market" is one of
them.
I'm sorry that your dog is seriously ill. But please understand that
the flaws in the pet store/puppymil industry that you've just recently
discovered are well-known in these waters, and have been discussed
frequently and at great length. You aren't presenting any information
that isn't already known, except the personal effect that this
experience has had on you and your dog.
What exactly are you looking for? Approbation? Sympathy? Mob violence
against pet stores? I cannot approve acquiring a dog from a pet store.
Yes, it's hard to walk away from those cute puppy faces in those
teeny-tiny quarters, but that's the entire point -- suckering one
well-meaning person after another into buying a succession of carelessly
conceived puppies, letting each one think that they and they alone are
the exception to the rule. Thereby pepetuating round after round of
breeding cage-fodder. Your tender heart has been ruthlessly and
deliberately used to subvert your better judgement.
If Maverick had not become ill, would you think pet stores are an
appropriate place to acquire a companion? If the puppy you purchased
had no obvious defects, would you have become curious about how those
puppies are produced?
I am sorry your dog is ill. Demodex is a pain in the ass to treat, and
horrible to watch progress. According to this site:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_demodectic_mange.html there is a
genetic component to generalized demodectic mange. Also, "JUVENILE
ONSET -- 30-50% of dogs under age 1 year recover spontaneously from
generalized demodicosis without any form of treatment. Usually
treatment is recommended, though, to facilitate recovery."
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would pay a lot of money for vet care to get the puppy well.
How you choose to squander your lunch money or survivors' inheritance is
entirely up to you. But it wins you no brownie points. Any responsible
pet owner will either spend whatever is required to restore their pet to
health, or do what it necessary to ensure the pet does not continue to
suffer.
That some pets require more extensive/expensive veterinary care is just
the breaks. I've got a 13-yr old dog that runs like a top and has never
required more than a minimal amount of vet attention. I've also spent a
month's salary in a day, trying to diagnose and stabilize a previously
healthy 8-yr old dog, who died anyway. I am grateful for the health of
my pets, and accept treating ill-health as the consequence of
ownership. It's not special, or even noteworthy, really.
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would hand feed the dog (because his
> eyes are infected and he is blind).
Odd. My blind dog never had any trouble finding food. He had some
difficulty distinguishing *his* food from *my* food, but that was true
even before he went blind.
I hope Maverick recovers completely.
--
Mary H. and the Ames National Zoo: Regis, Sam-I-Am, Noah (1992-2001),
Ranger, Duke,
felines, finches, and fish
Christy
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would see a dog suffering in a small
> cage a want to give it a better life.
Jim, I think we all feel as you did. It is terrible to see the puppies in a
store, often sickly and miserable, and it is natural to think that we should
"save" them. But it pays to consider the bigger picture. For every sad puppy
suffering in a store that we save, another one is produced. And each of
those puppies has a mother and father that lives in much worse conditions,
permanently, until their breeding days are over and they are disposed of -
the lucky ones find their way into rescue, but the majority are just killed.
The suffering of those dogs is perpetuated when you "save" a puppy from a
pet store.
>
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would pay a lot of money for vet care
> to get the puppy well.
Perhaps not, but it takes a lot of heart.
>
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would be in contact with several news
> organizations to get them to run a story on puppy mills to better inform
the
> public.
Now, that is a productive action. Education, and stopping the consumer from
patronizing stores that sell pets, is the key.
>
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would hand feed the dog (because his
> eyes are infected and he is blind).
>
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would carry the dog where ever he
> needed to go so he won't run into walls and open up wound on his already
> damaged skin.
>
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would hold him all night long to keep
> him scratching his skin off.
Poor baby. :(
>
> No one with an ounce of intelligence would get on every news group he
could
> find and admit he was a moron just to try and reach that one person to
keep
> him from making the same mistake.
>
> No an intelligent person would make a comment like you did.
>
> Thank you for your time.
> James Danek a man without an ounce of intelligence.
James, your heart is in the right place. Although I'm not glad that you
bought from a pet store and continued the cycle of milling, I can't help but
be glad that this poor pup ended up with someone who would care for him the
way that you are doing. He's a lucky pup.
Christy
kimbo5203
Good luck with Maverick... I don't know much about the disease but if he
continues to suffer, you might be better off putting him to sleep
But before you do, try and get NBC to do the feature and get the word out..
make his life meaningful
Good luck
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jim
against pet stores? "" >>
person. If I had known then what I had know now I would have never bought
the puppy. At one point in everyone's life they gain the knowledge that
puppy mills are evil, I gained the knowledge too late. A lot of people
e-mailed me with a lot of helpful links. I thank everyone who did.
<<""How you choose to squander your lunch money or survivors' inheritance is
> entirely up to you. But it wins you no brownie points. "">>
Lunch money or survivors' inheritance I wish! This is not about brownie
points. I was responding to posts questing my intelligence and compassion.
My first post made no mention of what care I was giving Maverick.
<<""Odd. My blind dog never had any trouble finding food. He had some
> difficulty distinguishing *his* food from *my* food, but that was true
> even before he went blind."">>
Well MY dog wanders the kitchen and sniffs around for awhile then sits and
whines. Now if I sit at the bowl and call him he comes over. I hand feed
while he sits on the couch. If I did not do this the chances of him running
into the coffee table or home entertainment center are greater. This is
important because if he opens up a wound on his already damaged skin and it
becomes infected he will have to be killed(oh I mean put to sleep). I'm sure
your dog does not have this problem.
Thank you for the link I will check it out.
I updated Mavericks web site with some pics before he got sick
http://www.geocities.com/jame...@swbell.net/main.html?1040354292352
The web site has had 1000 hits in the last two weeks hopefully I reached
that one person I was trying too.
I will be going to the Dallas NBC news station today or tomorrow so they can
film Maverick. I have stressed to them that I want the story to be about
puppy mills in general not about my individual case.
We will see.
James
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Mary Healey
> <<""How you choose to squander your lunch money or survivors' inheritance is
> > entirely up to you. But it wins you no brownie points. "">>
> Lunch money or survivors' inheritance I wish!
There's a reason I call the Six-Million Dollar Cat "Toyota". The cat's
health is more important than a new vehicle, but he just doesn't have
that "new car" smell...
> This is not about brownie
> points. I was responding to posts questing my intelligence and compassion.
I think that was a misinterpretation on your part. An understandable
one, given the circumstances.
My point was that spending doesn't necessarily correlate to compassion.
Or intelligence. People with healthy pets tend to spend less on
veterinary care than those with ailing critters. Beyond that,
characterizing human qualities based on financial output is pure
speculation.
> My first post made no mention of what care I was giving Maverick.
Nor do your others, really. What is the prognosis? Is he getting the
Ivermectin injections, or just the fortnightly dip?
> <<""Odd. My blind dog never had any trouble finding food. He had some
> > difficulty distinguishing *his* food from *my* food, but that was true
> > even before he went blind."">>
> Well MY dog wanders the kitchen and sniffs around for awhile then sits and
> whines. Now if I sit at the bowl and call him he comes over. I hand feed
> while he sits on the couch.
Then why would he expect to find food in the kitchen?
> If I did not do this the chances of him running
> into the coffee table or home entertainment center are greater.
It'd be less if you removed or padded them. Have you tried putting a
specific scent on the corners of things as a kind of warning?
> This is
> important because if he opens up a wound on his already damaged skin and it
> becomes infected he will have to be killed(oh I mean put to sleep).
<shrug> I prefer "destroyed" as a euphamism. Usually more descriptive
of the human's resultant emotional state, but adequate for the purpose.
> I'm sure your dog does not have this problem.
No, he died in horrible agony a year ago. Thanks so much for asking.
I'm still very interested in the answer to these two questions:
> > If Maverick had not become ill, would you think pet stores are an
> > appropriate place to acquire a companion? If the puppy you purchased
> > had no obvious defects, would you have become curious about how those
> > puppies are produced?
I've never bought a dog from a pet store, and concluded long ago that
supporting an industry that sells companion animals without any effort
to assess the actual companionability of the critter involved was not to
my taste. So, when I see a news piece about the evils of puppy mills,
it doesn't affect my opinion in any way. But people like me aren't your
target audience.
You may raise the awareness of those people who've never really
considered whether pet stores are an appropriate source of dogs and cats
or not. How many of them are likely to be interested in pets, or a
story about pets?
The people you want to reach are those who have purchased pet store
puppies and were satisfied with what they got. *Their* dog didn't get
sick. *Their* dog wasn't a genetic nightmare. *Their* dog had no
behavioral problems. These are people whose experience directly
contradicts your own.
How do you get through to those people that they shouldn't buy pet store
dogs? Emphasize the risks? There are risks to adding any puppy to a
household -- even the best and most carefully bred pups will
occasionally have serious problems. Are you going to try to convey that
your experience is somehow more valid than theirs?
Manadero
> If you think the puppy you
>bought in a petstore is suffering, consider what its parents
>are going through and what their future looks like.
Not to mention the affected offspring that will be put into more tiny cages
(btw, small, barren cages are used to make people feel sorry for the dogs) and
sold to other families because someone created a demand for them.
Recently, our local Petland had a BC boy.. he was cute to begin with too...
since I check them out every week or so, I got to see him grow up too... to
about four months or so. The last couple of weeks he was priced down to
$149.99 and had begun spinning in his cage and attacking the glass when people
walked by. Had to explain to DH that it wouldn't be "rescuing" anything to
purchase him, only creating a market. As sad as I am for that one dog.. I am
grateful that Petland learned a valuable lesson. BCs don't sell well and they
go crazy in those little "tiny so that people feel sorry for them" cages. Ever
notice that the toy dogs are shaking? I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it
purposely cold so as to up the "pity factor" :(
BTW, has anyone else noticed this? Each time I go in, people are asking about
puppies.. if the "salesman" needs to step away, they'll ask another "salesman"
to come over, never leaving them alone once they smell stupidity. I've also
noticed that whenever I go in, no one _ever_ asks if they can help me... and I
don't even wear my rescue shirts in.... <BG>
Robin
Regina Seaner
jim wrote:
> If I had known then what I had know now I would have never bought
> the puppy. At one point in everyone's life they gain the knowledge that
> puppy mills are evil, I gained the knowledge too late.
Jim,
Your photos are heartbreaking. If they don't hammer home the point that puppy
mills and careless breeding are evil, nothing will. I'm so sorry. I'm also sorry
that people here are attacking you when you are hurting. I don't see the point
of that. You obviously love your dog and are doing your best for him.
Good luck to you and Maverick, I hope he gets well.
--Regina
jim
> > appropriate place to acquire a companion? If the puppy you purchased
> > had no obvious defects, would you have become curious about how those
> > puppies are produced?>>
If Maverick had not became sick I would still be ignorant of the knowledge
that puppy mills are pure evil.
The answer to your first question is yes and the second is no.
Any other questions that you are very interested in the answers, feel free
to ask.
James
"Mary Healey" <mhhe...@iastate.edu> wrote in message
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jim
James
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Tara
>>><< If Maverick had not become ill, would you think pet stores are an
>>>appropriate place to acquire a companion? If the puppy you purchased
>>>had no obvious defects, would you have become curious about how those
>>>puppies are produced?>>
>>
>
> If Maverick had not became sick I would still be ignorant of the knowledge
> that puppy mills are pure evil.
> The answer to your first question is yes and the second is no.
>
> Any other questions that you are very interested in the answers, feel free
> to ask.
I'm uncertain as to whether I'm detecting a defensive "tone" here, so
I'll just say this.
That was her very point. If you hadn't had this happen, you would still
think puppy mills are A-OK? No, and neither do those others who bought
a pup from a per store and didn't have a problem....and THAT'S the
person who needs educating.
Your post, though noble in intent and certainly understandable, was more
akin to someone barging into a Harvard University professor's luncheon
yelling about how you've discovered the secret of adding 10 to the
number 5 and how everybody should stop and listen to this valuable
information.....its odd, its a bit LOUD and its such a basically
understood concept here that it is almost insulting.
Do a search on Google.com for "puppy mill" or "unethical breeders" and
see how many different ways we actually do try to educate people on this
very topic.
I'm very sorry for what you've been through. Stick around and learn.
There's a LOT more to finding a decent breeder than to just avoid puppy
mills. That's part of the problem too.....its only partly helpful to
steer people away from mills. The average prospective puppy buyer would
be completely stumped about how to then go about getting the puppy they
were hoping for. If you (general "you") don't then follow up with info
on what constitutes a *responsible* breeder and how to find one, then
you're merely taking money out of the millers hands (which is ok) and
putting it right smack into the hands of the crappy backyard breeders
(which is just as bad, IMO)
I think the problem you ran into here is that you jumped in and
basically lectured people on stuff that they happen to know a lot more
about than you do.
But please stick around and learn.....and help educate as you see new
posters check in here.
And, welcome
Tara
--
Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes!
Mary Healey
> ... The average prospective puppy buyer would
> be completely stumped about how to then go about getting the puppy they
> were hoping for.
A few weeks before Christmas, I got a call from someone looking for a
puppy. "A Maltese, or a Pug". Uh-oh, thought I. (I get these calls
occasionally because I arrange the obedience classes for my local kennel
club.) No one in our club has either of those breeds (we're a small
group), so I got some general referrals from the AKC web site and called
her back. Dreading the conversation.
I was *very* pleasantly surprised. The lady thanked me for returning
her call, and explained that they'd done some internet research and
talked to some people and decided that they'd rather adopt a rescue than
get a puppy. She'd interviewed with a few of the private rescues in her
area, and was applying for one of their dogs.
I've been doing the contact calls for obedience classes and taking the
occasional "looking for a puppy" call for about five years. This is the
*first* person who has decided to adopt instead of getting a puppy, that
I know of. Wish I'd gotten her name.
Veering further off-thread, I have another question. Why is it that
some people don't consider obedience classes unless their dog is a
"problem"? "Oh, he doesn't need obedience classes, he doesn't do
anything bad." Like it's doggie detention or something. Then there are
the people who sign up for class because the dog *is* a problem, but
don't attend. I laugh about Sam being the reason I got involved in dog
training and club classes, but I'd have taken him to class even if he'd
been lazy and well-behaved. His active-sliding-into-destructive
temperament only meant that we took several years' of classes instead of
one or two sessions.
Adopt a dog, set up a crate, schedule de-sexing, sign up for class.
Even Duke, who was not supposed to be a permanent denizen of the Zoo,
followed the same routine. Ah, well, preaching to the choir.
jim
stated over and over that I was just trying to reach that one person. Have
you read all the posts??
I fully realize that most of the people in this group know more about dogs
then I ever will.
I disagree with your analogy about havard(you think very highly of
yourself). If this was the only group I put this in and if I did not post
over and over that I was just trying to reach that one person maybe I could
see your point.
My dog treatment has been changed because of some info someone sent me.
They became aware of my problem from reading my post. That person decided
to use their energy to help, not criticize.
So I am happy with the results of my posts already.
If I insulted your high intelligence when it come to dogs I am truly sorry.
James
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Suja
Mary Healey wrote:
> Adopt a dog, set up a crate, schedule de-sexing, sign up for class.
> Even Duke, who was not supposed to be a permanent denizen of the Zoo,
> followed the same routine. Ah, well, preaching to the choir.
While I'm sure that dog #2 would go to obedience classes, I am not at
all sure I'd start with basic and work up like I did with Khan. The
socialization/working around distraction aspects of group classes appeal
to me, but my dog would most certainly know all the basic commands
whether she attended classes or not.
Suja
Tara O.
>
> Veering further off-thread, I have another question. Why is it
that
> some people don't consider obedience classes unless their dog
is a
> "problem"? "Oh, he doesn't need obedience classes, he doesn't
do
> anything bad." Like it's doggie detention or something. Then
there are
> the people who sign up for class because the dog *is* a
problem, but
> don't attend.
I think its three-fold:
1. Until recently, obedience classes were not much advertised and
not easily accessible to everyone. They still aren't easily
accessible in some places but I do think the number of
trainers/classes/clubs has grown and more advertising has been
done which is helpful. Prior to the internet, if you didn't read
about it in the paper or see a classified for it, you didn't know
it existed (no dog-show-world people).
2. Perception. There is a perception by alot of people that
obedience classes means choking your dog and making it into a
robot. Choke collars seem to be the one thing most commonly
associated with obedience classes (at least from the things I've
heard when talking training with people). Who wants to put a
choke chain on their cute, house-mannered, little dog if its not
needed? Another problem with this perception is that owners of
outside only dogs feel they have no need to teach that dog to be
an obedient robot (or teach it anything except not to bark for
that matter).
3. People know how to teach "sit" to a dog and as long as the dog
isn't ransacking the house, they consider being able to sit and
maybe do a treat as being trained. Why go somewhere and pay
someone to tell you how to teach your dog to sit?
I instituted a mandatory obedience class attendance policy when I
became a partner in the rescue I'm with. In the last 18 months,
I've had more battles with people trying to get out of the
obedience clause than I care to count. There's a statement on
our application that says classes are required...period. Its
followed by a question that asks if you agree to attend classes
if you're approved to adopt. Everyone says yes. They can't come
back at me later and say they weren't told up front. No
participation in classes, no adoption. This policy isn't in
effect because our rescues need to learn sit/stay & proper
healing. Those are great things, don't get me wrong but that's
not the main reason for the policy. Its my hope that each new
adopter & their rescue dog form a close bond as quickly as
possible. IMO, the only way to get good, fast results, is to
learn how to communicate with your dog which in turn means being
taught some basics.
Its really nice when I get emails after class graduation from
adopters telling me how much fun they had in class and/or how
they learned this or that new thing that they didn't know before.
Its really hard to not say "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!" :)
--
Tara
Mary Healey
That's how I work with mine. Start the basics at home, but still go to
a Beginner's class to add distractions and polish. Many people in my
club do it this way, even after multiple dogs. I'll never be "too
advanced" for a basic skills class.
For that matter, I took Sam in Beginner's classes (and sent him with
other handlers) long after he'd learned the basics and even some
advanced work. <shrug> He likes class, and when an appropriately
advanced class wasn't available, we went back to Beginner. It was that,
or listen to him whine all evening on what he considered "class"
nights. Yeah, he trained me well.
There are a very few dogs that won't benefit from a group obedience
class, and those are dogs with major fear problems. Jack, for instance,
didn't get a lot out of group classes because he was always so worried
that someone would "get" him.
Suja
Mary Healey wrote:
> There are a very few dogs that won't benefit from a group obedience
> class, and those are dogs with major fear problems. Jack, for instance,
> didn't get a lot out of group classes because he was always so worried
> that someone would "get" him.
Khan's first obedience class was *hard* for that reason. It's difficult
to get a dog to 'stay' when it is constantly looking over its shoulder
to see who is out to get him. The class was held right near the
entrance, which didn't help one bit either, as his first instinct when
panicked is to bolt to the great outdoors. We ended up putting in a
heck of a lot of extra work, and I used to take him to Petco/PetsMart on
days when there are no classes to practice. It paid off bit time. It
did help him to relax, knowing that mommy was in charge, and obeying
(despite his fears) only brought him good things.
Suja
Tirya
> I will be going to the Dallas NBC news station today or tomorrow so they can
> film Maverick. I have stressed to them that I want the story to be about
> puppy mills in general not about my individual case.
> We will see.
>
> James
James - there are several dog rescue groups in the DFW area who may be able to
help provide information about puppy mills and alternatives to pet shop
buying, so you can provide the news station with additional contacts or places
to go for more information for their story. If you're really interested in
making a difference and helping to stop puppy mills, I would encourage you to
bring in extra information so the news folks can flesh out their story and
give it more impact.
Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
...which nicely encompasses three hobbies in one!
Don't breed or buy while shelter dogs die - adopt a stray and save a life.
Tara
> First off I put my post in a lot of news groups, not just this one. I've
> stated over and over that I was just trying to reach that one person. Have
> you read all the posts??
Yes I have....and you've been defensive through it all, I'm sad to see.
I think you have a lot to offer, and so do a lot of the people you've
been having issues with here. The sad part is that its turned into a
"victim" thing rather than a discussion. That's as much your choice as
it is anyone else's.
> I fully realize that most of the people in this group know more about dogs
> then I ever will.
> I disagree with your analogy about havard(you think very highly of
> yourself)
When it comes to the topic of dogs, I think you'd be quite amazed at
the wealth of information and experience here. I've spent a good portion
of my life dedicated to working with and studying animals in general and
dogs in particular....so yes, I think I've earned the right to "think
highly" of myself when it comes to this particular topic. I'm quite
certain there are topics you are vastly more fluent in than I am....and
I would never presume to lecture you on those.
> If this was the only group I put this in and if I did not post
> over and over that I was just trying to reach that one person maybe I could
> see your point.
IN other words, you basically SPAMMED a bunch of newsgroups all at once?
Frankly, that's even ruder than not even lurking before lecturing.
> My dog treatment has been changed because of some info someone sent me.
> They became aware of my problem from reading my post. That person decided
> to use their energy to help, not criticize.
As I was also trying to do. I wasn't "criticizing" you....I was trying
to explain what might have happened in the exchange that took place when
you came here. There was no inherent criticism in my post to you, so
your continued defensiveness is a bit over the top IMO.
> So I am happy with the results of my posts already.
> If I insulted your high intelligence when it come to dogs I am truly sorry.
Again, your attitude is simply out of place. This is not about
"intelligence". There are a lot of stupid people that go to Harvard as
well. Its about education and experience. If being presented with the
fact that there are people here who have a wealth of education and
experience on the topic you presume to lecture us about makes you
defensive, then you might want to rethink your motives.
By the way, this post is *also* not an attack on you or your intellect.
If you choose to see it as such, then that has nothing to do with me or
my intentions.
Tara
> First off I put my post in a lot of news groups, not just this one.
I double checked and saw that you did NOT post to multiple groups at
once (as you imply here). That would be very much against usenet
conventions had you done that (thus the allegation of SPAMMING) as it
confuses and drastically interferes with clear discussion.
You, however, did not do that (and I appreciate that).
With that said, did you assume that everyone here was psychic and was
just supposed to know (or care) that you had posted this to multiple
groups at the same time (individually). I don't see how this is relevant
at all.
Unless it merely serves to rationalize your overly defensive attitude,
then it would make perfect sense, I suppose.
I still say "welcome", I still say "stick around"....and I still say
you could both learn something as well as share your own experiences
with those that might not know. All of which you chose to ignore in my
other post to you.
Jay
Tara, you really make yourself sound like an idiot. Let it go.
Lee Ann Rucker
<Ti...@spamfree.addy> wrote:
> "jim" <jame...@nospam.swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:sXeV9.381$uY3.67...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> > I will be going to the Dallas NBC news station today or tomorrow so they can
> > film Maverick. I have stressed to them that I want the story to be about
> > puppy mills in general not about my individual case.
> > We will see.
> >
> > James
>
>
> James - there are several dog rescue groups in the DFW area who may be able to
> help provide information about puppy mills and alternatives to pet shop
> buying,
Could you send me the info? My cocker Jasmine came from Trader's
Village (I didn't buy her - haven't even been to TV since I was a
teenager!) and I'm curious about her "breeder". I'm in CA so I can't
do much from here. She's from Bel-Kay, not Mike's; how many people are
selling dogs at TV? I don't even remember dogs from the last time I
was there, but that was about 20 years ago.
crk...@gmail.com
> Click here to see why
> http://www.geocities.com/jame...@swbell.net/main.html?1042045387093
I bought from Mikes 7 years ago. I still have a healthy cavalier that has had minimal issues over the years. Personally, I don't think AKC is worth 2 cents either and since he is just a companion dog, not a show dog, I don't see the need to worry about having him registered with the brand name kennel club.