dogfighting
5121 Student 01
Kelly -
You appear to have no clue about the American Pit Bull Terrier
as a breed nor do you seem to have a grasp of the breeds history or indeed
what gametesting a dog is all about. Not only that, you have said some
things that lead me to beleive that you don't know that much about
domestic canines in general.
Please see the following URL:
nttp://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbt.html
You, along with the vast majority of the public have taken
what the mass media and the HSUS says as gospel...it is not.
In life, the truth will rarely be spoon fed to you and that is the
case here as well. If after reading the FAQ, you still have questions
about the breed and it's history, feel free to contact me. Or, better
yet, post to rec.pets.dogs.breeds. There are plenty of pitbull folks
who read and post there regularly who would be more than willing to
clear up any questions you may have.
Regards,
MAC
In article <TAPOA...@ebbs.cts.com> you write:
>Wht did the dogfighting thread get "diverted" into a medical research
>thread? Let's just admit that raising "man's best friend" for the purpose
>of a few scumballs getting their rocks off by watching innocent animals
>fight to the death is inhumane?
>
>And medical research is sometimes necessary, and at least the law reqires
>anestization for p[ainful procedures (in some cases). What does that have
>to do with illegal dog fighting? I am confused-someone please tell me..
>
>I was under the impression that dog fighting is purposeless. Unless by
>chance there is a MEDICAL reason for it?? Does this save lives? Or maybe
>some on this thread think ALL animals should be exploited and otherwise
>treated like shit because it is legal for medical purposes?
>
>Come on now, someone needs to draw the line here. There should always be a
>middle ground.. To all who think raising pit bulls for fighting is OK,
>please list your reasons and explain to me what the limits on animal abuse
>should be. Then explain to me why pit bulls should be ÿbred for fighting
>when so many people have been killed because of this irresponsible form of
>breeding? I would really like to know. Minus the wild correlations
>please..
>
>kelly...@ebbs.cts.com
Royce Myers
In article <4mjhep$j...@nova.umuc.edu>, cm32...@nova.umuc.edu (5121
Student 01) wrote:
> Kelly -
>
> You appear to have no clue about the American Pit Bull Terrier
> as a breed nor do you seem to have a grasp of the breeds history or indeed
> what gametesting a dog is all about. Not only that, you have said some
> things that lead me to beleive that you don't know that much about
> domestic canines in general.
5121 -
Although I often disagree with Kelly, I don't think she's jumped to any
conclusions here.
Is it cruel to raise a dog -- any breed -- to fight?
Do people have dogs fight to the death? To first blood? If so, is this cruel?
These are the questions Kelly asked, and your long post, in which you
chose to quote her entire artcle, contained no answer. You just accused
her of ignorance.
--
Royce Myers Ro...@ug.eds.com
http://ocw.org Ro...@ocw.org
Jay Scott Dodson
This is one thing I can not put up with. I have been to one dogfight and
I will never go to another one. What I saw there should never have to
witnessed by an animal lover. I did own a Pit bull and he was the best
dog I have ever owned. If you raise a Pit the right way you will have a
great dog.
Jay Dodson
spa...@vaxxine.com
Dont want to know where or who conducted theese events but I am curious
to know what type of people were in charge (back alley enthusists)
or reputable elements and what extent did they let the dogs fight to?
sparky
JFRCHRDSN
Royce Myers writes:
:Do people have dogs fight to the death?
The traditional fight was *not* to the death. However, many times
the dogs were allowed to fight so long and hard that death and/or
serious injury was not uncommon, or at least as not as uncommon as
it should have been. However, the old rules can form a base on which
new rules that would prevent that can be based. Allowing refs to stop
contests and having attending vets (who also could stop contests, and
who could provide emergency care) would do a *lot* to staunch the
flow of blood. Also, the traditional contracts had "winner take all"
clauses. This created far too great an incentive to hope against hope
that your down an almost dead dog will mount a comeback, or at least
hang on till the other dog quits from fatigue or whatever. A more sane
reward system with guaranteed purses or whatever would change this
drastically.
JohnR
JFRCHRDSN
Jay Dodson writes:
:This is one thing I can not put up with. I have been to one dogfight and
:I will never go to another one.
You attended a kind of event that has been illegal since at least
the 1880's, and i believe longer. I have never been to a live one,
but have seen some brief tapes, and doubt i could sit through a
whole match. The question is, how do you eradicate something
that has been flatly prohibited for over 100 years? Answer:
You don't. Next question: Could anything be done to make it better?
Answer: Not if you maintain the failed blanket prohibition, since no
black marketeer has any incentive to improve an illegal product.
: What I saw there should never have to
:witnessed by an animal lover. I did own a Pit bull and he was the best
:dog I have ever owned. If you raise a Pit the right way you will have a
:great dog.
It's hard to wreck a pit bull. Unfortunately, it *can* be done. But one
of the very best dogs I ever worked with at a shelter was a pit bull
with fight scars.
JohnR
Chuck Jackson
Dude, chill out. I think Kelly was just voicing her opinion about people that raise/breed
the American Pit Bull Terrier for the "purpose" of fighting. I don't think she was
attacking (no pun intended) the breed in general. I too feel that people that fight
dogs are of the lowest form of life. It made me sick to watch a local TV news report
on dog fighting. There was some big fat pig (she was disguised as a women) just
egging her dog on as it was shreading another dog. I can't believe people do this.
I do not lead a sheltered life and I am rarely suprised by what goes in the world
but people that do this for fun should be the one being shreaded.
Also, from what I saw in the report, it appears that most of the dogs were of APB "mix"
they did no look to be purebred. Some looked like Rottwieler, Lab, and maybe Shar Pei
mixed
5121 Student 01 wrote:
>
> Kelly -
>
> You appear to have no clue about the American Pit Bull Terrier
> as a breed nor do you seem to have a grasp of the breeds history or indeed
> what gametesting a dog is all about. Not only that, you have said some
> things that lead me to beleive that you don't know that much about
> domestic canines in general.
>
Jon Parley
>Mac wrote:
>>
>> Kelly -
>>
>> You appear to have no clue about the American Pit Bull
>>Terrier as a breed nor do you seem to have a grasp of the breeds
>>history or indeed what gametesting a dog is all about. Not only
>>that, you have said some things that lead me to beleive that you
>>don't know that much about domestic canines in general.
>>
>> Please see the following URL:
>>
>> nttp://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbt.html
>>
>> You, along with the vast majority of the public have taken
>> what the mass media and the HSUS says as gospel...it is not.
>> In life, the truth will rarely be spoon fed to you and that is the
>> case here as well. If after reading the FAQ, you still have
questions about the breed and it's history, feel free to contact me.
Or, better yet, post to rec.pets.dogs.breeds. There are plenty of
pitbull folks who read and post there regularly who would be more than
willing to clear up any questions you may have.
>>
>> Regards,
>> MAC
Chuck Jackson writes:
>
>Dude, chill out. I think Kelly was just voicing her opinion about
>people that raise/breed the American Pit Bull Terrier for the
>"purpose" of fighting. I don't think she was attacking (no pun
>intended) the breed in general. I too feel that people that fight dogs
>are of the lowest form of life. It made me sick to watch a local TV
>news report
>on dog fighting. There was some big fat pig (she was disguised as a
>women) just egging her dog on as it was shreading another dog. I
>can't believe people do this. I do not lead a sheltered life and I am
>rarely suprised by what goes in the world but people that do this for
>fun should be the one being shreaded. Also, from what I saw in the
>report, it appears that most of the dogs were of APB "mix" they did no
>look to be purebred. Some looked like Rottwieler, Lab, and maybe Shar
>Pei mixed
Chuck, you are talking about "back alley street fighting" which puts
you in AGREEMENT with MAC (and every other sane person). That
relatively recent activity has no association with the long history of
matching dogs. Both you and Kelly really should follow Mac's advice in
order to TRULY start to understand and discuss what matching dogs is
all about. READ the URL...then debate.
Sincerely,
Jon
RunsWiDogs
One may not like the methods, but I can't argue with the results.
Someone asked what perpose was served.
You get absolute courage, great health, and incredible drive (gamenes). If
you get them interested in doing what you want them to do(by directing
this drive, maybe into obedience-harder to do, or ballplaying/frisbee-much
easier), then they will do it taking on all challenges or die trying.
I can respect that.
RunsWiDogs & The Dogs: Daisy & Schnaaps