Good ambassador for pitbulldom
Debbie the Gruesome
became aware of some barking coming from outside. Peeked out,
and tied up next to the grocery carts were 2 dogs: one was
a shepherd mix, and the other was a drop-dead gorgeous
with striking black and white markings, *big* pitbull or Amstaff
with a very wagging tail. They were attracting quite a crowd, and
one woman stepped up tentatively to pet them. She was received
enthusiastically, and before long both dogs were being petted by large
numbers of people, but the pb was attracting more attention.
There were lots of exclamations about how soft his coat was and how
beautiful he was and what a sweet dog he was. He drew smiles from
even those who didn't venture forth to pet him. Nice incident.
--
---
Debbie the Gruesome d...@drizzle.com
"Poodles are space aliens who think they've disguised
themselves as dogs." - Paghat the Ratgirl
http://www.drizzle.com/~das
J. Matthews
a long time - bad dogs are a result of *BAD* people.
If you treat a pit bull right, with lots of love and attention,
you end up with a sweet and affectionate dog.
JM
Debbie the Gruesome <d...@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.14d887d4d...@news.drizzle.com...
Tracey D.
>This is a good example of something I have been saying for
>a long time - bad dogs are a result of *BAD* people.
>
>If you treat a pit bull right, with lots of love and attention,
>you end up with a sweet and affectionate dog.
...and they ARE pretty dogs! Especially the black ones with white
markings!
My Zeddy is adorable to look at, extremely friendly (need to curb her
enthusiam though!) and VERY well socialised...
Most people don't realise when patting Zeddy, what her heritage really
is - so unless we are asked, we don't advertise it... you get really
"interesting" reactions from people when they find out! How people go
from letting the dog lick their face to extreme terror on finding out
that the dog is a Pittie, is a mystery to me...?!
Mind you, Zeddy is only half Pittie - the other half is Rottie... but
she looks mostly like a Pittie, only slightly less bulky, and her legs
are quite long... She's nearly 6 months old now and weighs around
20kgs (44lbs) - not that you'd pick it! She's in the upward growth
stage (again) - all legs and ears at the moment...hehe!!!
Oh - and she's still teething - her latest chew toy is our skirting
boards!! We're basting the chewed areas with Tabasco sauce - works
quite well... plus replacement training...
Tracey D.
Snag PC
so unless we are asked, we don't advertise it... you get really "interesting"
reactions from people when they find out! >>
We've gone through the same thing a few times. Say what breed(s) you know or
think the dog to be, and suddenly, the wiggly, wagging furry thing with a
smoochy tongue turns into a snarling beast to back away from. Maybe if people
would wear signs so you'd know who to tell or not tell what breed she is: "I
think pits are scary, lie to me. I don't know any personally, but lie to me
anyways," it'd be easier.
june...@my-deja.com
the shopping cart and ripped the face off a nice little 3 year old girl.
Jack the Ripper probably was a pretty decent fellow when he wasn't out
killing women.
In article <MPG.14d887d4d...@news.drizzle.com>,
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
John F Richardson
:... and then suddenly a car backfired
:and the pit bull tore loose from
:the shopping cart and ripped the
:face off a nice little 3 year old girl.
Stop projecting your fantasies
onto others, "June".
JohnR
Pit Bull Libertarian
Never sneer at the power of a little
pink squeaky toy!
june...@my-deja.com
cooking biker or the trailer park trash?
Nothing quite like breeding, owning and training fighting dogs to make
a macho man.
The pitbull breed needs to be exterminated, legislated out of existence
as well as hunted down and killed.
In article <20010128193900...@ng-fw1.aol.com>,
PitBullsUS
keep-my-dogs-peacefully-in-the-fairly-large-house-obedience-train-and-soci
alize-spoil-my-dogs-to-death-admit-my-pit-bulls-are-big-wusses-in-public-s
leep-with-them-under-the-covers-laugh-at-the-amusing-things-they-do-change
-peoples'-minds-about-the-breed-stubborn-breed-specific-legislation-fighti
ng-sob type of person.
>Subject: Re: Good ambassador for pitbulldom
>From: june...@my-deja.com
>Date: 1/28/01 9:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <952tkh$oi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
Snag PC
>as well as hunted down and killed.
sigh...assinine enough to not even deserve thinking up a reply for. Wonder if
he saves the fly wings he pulls off?
Bill
go...@aol.com wrote:
> >>So which class of pitbull lover do you fall into John? The meth
> >>cooking biker or the trailer park trash?
>
> Don't forget the saggy-assed, hip-hop gangbanger category!
Or how about the
I'm-to-stupid-to-either-research-the-breed-or-find-out-for-myself-that-pitbulls-are-not-human-aggressive-and-I-believe-everything-I-see-on-tv-or-in-my-local-newspaper-plus-my-little-fru-fru-dog-has-bitten-the-mailman-19-times-but-he-is-just-too-cute-when-he-does-it.
There is nothing in this world more dangerous than the ignorant.
Bill
go...@aol.com wrote:
> thec...@hotmail.com (Bill) wrote:
> >
> >> >>So which class of pitbull lover do you fall into John? The meth
> >> >>cooking biker or the trailer park trash?
> >>
> >> Don't forget the saggy-assed, hip-hop gangbanger category!
> >
> >Or how about the
>
>I'm-to-stupid-to-either-research-the-breed-or-find-out-for-myself-that-pitbulls-are-not-human-aggressive
>
> FACT: Pitbulls are responsible for more FATAL attacks on humans than
> any other breed.
Please, oh please state where you got this fact from? And, btw, I believe
Rotties have passed APBTs.
emi...@my-deja.com
pitbu...@aol.com (PitBullsUS) wrote:
> Can't speak for John, but I know what type I am. I'm a
>
keep-my-dogs-peacefully-in-the-fairly-large-house-obedience-train-and-so
ci
>
alize-spoil-my-dogs-to-death-admit-my-pit-bulls-are-big-wusses-in-public
-s
>
leep-with-them-under-the-covers-laugh-at-the-amusing-things-they-do-chan
ge
>
-peoples'-minds-about-the-breed-stubborn-breed-specific-legislation-figh
ti
> ng-sob type of person.
>
me three!
Emily (not ~Emily)
kieron...@my-deja.com
course, there are no stats for any dogs that LOOK LIKE or are commonly
mistaken for "Pit Bulls" (AST, SBT, BT, Cane Corso, Presa Canario,
Argentine Dogo, Boxers, American Bulldogs, assorted mixes and even some
Yellow Labs). Also, no on fails to mention that those stats show that
the deaths attributed to "Pit Bulls" (note: the CDC even puts "Pit
Bull" in quotes) reached a height during the height of the "craze" and
has declined ever since. The article also fails to show any years
outside of the "pit bull" era, that is, when the "breed" became
commonly known. Also, there are quite a number of local organizations
that have taken true bite stats and each shows that there is a direct
correlation between breed's popularity in a given area and its bite
incidence. Also, the breed for which hospitilization is required more
often than any other is not even canine, it's feline, the domestic
shorthair.
In article <thechin_-290...@gandalf.support.ot.com>,
John F Richardson
a deja account.
boobp...@my-deja.com
june...@my-deja.com wrote:
> So which class of pitbull lover do you fall into John? The meth
> cooking biker or the trailer park trash?
>
I live in San Diego, and with a few exceptions, you just described
every pitbull owner I've ever seen...honest…
Why do folks with tattoos, wallet-chains, wife-beater shirts,
piercings (oooh, original!), high testosterone, low income, low
brows, and low intelligence always have a pitbull at the end
of the leash?
I apologize sincerely to the exceptions... But it's true...
Boobdog
boobp...@my-deja.com
Alright, so it's ok to have researched the breed, witnessed their
increased tendency to fight other dogs (and typically a much
nastier fight, harder to break up), and then draw conclusions? Or
should everyone ignore the media AND friends AND animal control
officers AND testimonial from those who know AND their own eyes and
ONLY take the word of pitbull owners?
Deny until you're brindle in the face, you can't change facts.
Now throw some stats at me about how harmless they are compared
to poodles and german shepards... yawn...
Boob-liker
FFDennis
<boobp...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:95i2ip$qdg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <952tkh$oi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> june...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > So which class of pitbull lover do you fall into John? The meth
> > cooking biker or the trailer park trash?
> >
>
> I live in San Diego, and with a few exceptions, you just described
>
> Why do folks with tattoos, wallet-chains, wife-beater shirts,
> piercings (oooh, original!), high testosterone, low income, low
> brows, and low intelligence always have a pitbull at the end
> of the leash?
> I apologize sincerely to the exceptions... But it's true...
> Boobdog
When I got my pit bull, I was prepared to apologize and rationalize my
choice to people who questioned it, but found it very rarely necessary. In
fact, the first vet I took it to happened to like pit bulls, and said they
were, in his experience, great dogs. You simply had to be cognizant of the
fact that they are dog aggressive, and act responsibly.
I had one occasion to speak to animal control. A new neighbor with three
loose dogs came over to say hello, and one wandered over to my behind the
fence pit bull, stuck it's nose through the pickets, and was bitten. He had
the nerve to call animal control on me, who promptly pointed out to him that
HIS dogs were the ones running around loose in violation of city ordinance.
He then said he personally liked the breed, and had never had one act
aggressively toward him in the course of his duties. Like me, he bemoaned
the fact that they seemed to appeal to a certain class of people who need a
fierce looking dog to feel important. Sad but true. Not as sad as some
people who claim to love dogs, while advocating killing an entire breed.
Just my .02
Dennis
John F Richardson
:I apologize sincerely to the exceptions...
No you don't.
John F Richardson
:Alright, so it's ok to have researched
:the breed, witnessed their increased
:tendency to fight other dogs (and typically
:a much nastier fight, harder to break up),
:and then draw conclusions? Or should
:everyone ignore the media AND friends
:AND animal control officers AND testimonial
:from those who know AND their own eyes and
:ONLY take the word of pitbull owners?
Responsible Pit Bull owners acknowledge
that most Pit Bulls have a somewhat
to greatly higher propensity to get into
fights and that an even high percentage
of Pit Bulls are far more tenacious in
any fight they do get into (even if its
the one and only fight of their lives) than
the vast majority of dogs. We also know
what we have to do to avoid these situations
and what to do if trouble arises despite our
efforts to avoid it. If you want to actually
help DO something about the rest of Pit Bull
ownerdom (which you don't, since you're the
Bellsouth Troll, but I'll play along for the
moment), about the worst thing you can
do starting off is to paint all owners with
one brush.
boobp...@my-deja.com
>
> :I apologize sincerely to the exceptions...
>
> No you don't.
>
I do. I know nice people with nice pits, and they get lotsa
crap because of the breed.
I was down at dog beach today, and there were lots of
dogs (it's finally summer in San Diego!). A few dog fights,
but the only one that I saw that hadda be broken
up involved a pit and a wimeriner(whatever its called) puppy...
Plus, the only dog to snap at my boxer today was a pitbull,
and the owner wasn't even very ghetto!
I am not imagining things. I am not lying.
Boobfondler
John F Richardson
:Boobfondler
Like anyone would let you within
arm's length...
Rocky
<20010204230324...@ng-cf1.aol.com>:
>:Boobfondler
>
>Like anyone would let you within
>arm's length...
Or boob's length. Ergo his basic problem.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Paul Matthews
>and the owner wasn't even very ghetto!
1. If you have so much trouble with pitbulls, why was your dog close enough to
get snapped at; and
2. very ghetto???
Paul C
Purebred...mix...their tails still wag the same and they'll still grab your
lunch. Scratch an ear anyways.
boobp...@my-deja.com
It sucks when somebody who's never met you can describe you
by the dog you own, eh?
How long is YOUR wallet chain?
Boobititon
boobp...@my-deja.com
sna...@aol.com (Paul Matthews) wrote:
> > the only dog to snap at my boxer today was a pitbull,
> >and the owner wasn't even very ghetto!
>
> 1. If you have so much trouble with pitbulls, why was your dog close
enough to
> get snapped at; and
The OB dog beach was packed full this weekend, so it's hard to
avoid all of the ghetto dogs (they run up to my dog or vice-versa).
There was at least 150 dogs there at any given time...
Luckily, most of the pit-owners only show up on the weekdays,
as weekends are typically more crowded with non-pitbulls.
> 2. very ghetto???
You know, some of the requisite pitbull owner features, but
you can tell that he wasn't as scummy as some others (Ok, I'm
sorry again, but some of these dudes, at least in SD, can't even
SPELL loser...)
> Paul C
> Purebred...mix...their tails still wag the same and they'll still
grab your
> lunch. Scratch an ear anyways.
>
John F Richardson
:It sucks when somebody who's
:never met you can describe you
:by the dog you own, eh?
Okay, what kind of dog does
Matt own, Booby?
boobp...@my-deja.com
> All this comming from someone with the name boobfondler. What a loser.
> There is a police office that live 3 doors down from me with a 140lbs
> boxer that will tear your arm off. And i'm not lying. I think boxers
> should be banned.
>
> What an ass.
>
How long is your wallet chain? Do you have your home-town
tattood across your belly, tough guy?
And the name is boobpirate, you fucking mook.
Toodles.
Slapper-of-your-mom's-boobs
Bill
Nah, but i Got tat of your daughter on my groin. oh...wait...thats not a
tat, its the real thing.
Moron.
If i did have a wallet chain, bet your moms pimply ass that it would be
long enough to strangle you with.
BTW, when was the last time you saw someone in an urban enviornment
wearing a wallet chain. Your obviosly not from this country, cause your
about 30 years behind the times.
boobp...@my-deja.com
> Well, to tell you the truth, anyone who thinks that all pit bull
owners
> are gangbangers, street thugs and trailer park trash is pretty
stupid. I
> happen to own 3 of them, own my own home (with a 6ft stockade fence
around
> the yard) and dare I say, pretty successful for being 25 yrs old.
>
> I really pitty the people who are either to ignorant or to set in
their
> ways to see that it is not the dog (although these dogs were bread to
be
> dog agressive for hundreds of years), it is the owner.
>
First of all, get a fucking spell-checker, you ignoramus.
Second, keep your pity and your ferocious hell-beasts to yourself.
Third, good for you, Mr. Successful 25 year old. Pat yourself
on the back, you’re a credit to your kind.
Forth, I know for a fact that the shitbull that twice attacked
my dog (and subsequently tried to eat my hands) was not raised
by scummy people, was not trained to attack, didn't hang from
a tire in some ghetto front yard, and seems quite friendly.
But when it decided to attack, it was so determined to kill
that it took 5 people, 2 of us which were pounding the shit out
of it's inbred (not inbread) head, to get it off of my dog's
neck. So don't give me the tired "it is the owner" routine...
Oh, and when I went to visit that thing at the animal
shelter to spit and throw rocks at it (just kidding, I feel
bad for the poor thing and gave it a doggie biscuit. It’s not his
fault that it was born to kill), the quarantine section (where
they keep the “biters”) had about 18 pissbulls and 3 non’s.
The blasted media must have made them bite!
Fifth, perhaps it is you and your ilk that are "to ignorant
or to set in their ways" to understand that there IS some
validity to the arguments against your precious shitbull
breed. You feel the need to justify ownership and
proliferation of a breed that was “bread to be dog
agressive for hundreds of years”. Brilliant! Yeah, pitbull
owners are more rational and informed than the rest of us.
Sixth, I’ve repeatedly sank to this forum’s level by
resorting to name calling, foolish presumptions, arguments
by assertion, and all manner of childish, idiotic rambling.
Although it is difficult, I will attempt to maintain a
monosyllabic, uneducated posture in future discussions
with this group. After all, you’re only pitbull owners (see!).
Plus, it’s funny!
Thank you,
Boob Dylan
“You own a dog that was bred to attack other dogs?
Are you a fucking loser?”
-Friedrich Nietzsche
boobp...@my-deja.com
thec...@hotmail.com (Bill) wrote:
.....
> Anyway. Just about every pit bull I have known will snap at another
dog.
Excellent point!
Bill
> > Well, to tell you the truth, anyone who thinks that all pit bull
> owners
> > are gangbangers, street thugs and trailer park trash is pretty
> stupid. I
> > happen to own 3 of them, own my own home (with a 6ft stockade fence
> around
> > the yard) and dare I say, pretty successful for being 25 yrs old.
> >
> > I really pitty the people who are either to ignorant or to set in
> their
> > ways to see that it is not the dog (although these dogs were bread to
> be
> > dog agressive for hundreds of years), it is the owner.
> >
>
> First of all, get a fucking spell-checker, you ignoramus.
This comming from a dick who doesn't even realize 'pit bull' is 2 words.
> Second, keep your pity and your ferocious hell-beasts to yourself.
Thank you. I will. Better than to let you have one.
> Third, good for you, Mr. Successful 25 year old. Pat yourself
> on the back, you’re a credit to your kind.
Right now i'm patting your mothers backside. But when my buddy comes over
to give me a break, i'll be sure to do that.
> Forth, I know for a fact that the shitbull that twice attacked
> my dog (and subsequently tried to eat my hands) was not raised
> by scummy people, was not trained to attack, didn't hang from
> a tire in some ghetto front yard, and seems quite friendly.
Shouldn't of had your dog around it, shit head. Why let your dog play with
another dog-agressive-dog? Plus, both dogs should have been leashed. I
guess they don't enforce that rule in trailer parks anymore.
> But when it decided to attack, it was so determined to kill
> that it took 5 people, 2 of us which were pounding the shit out
> of it's inbred (not inbread) head, to get it off of my dog's
> neck.
If you knew what the hell you were doing, it would have only taken 2, shit
for brains.
> So don't give me the tired "it is the owner" routine...
> Oh, and when I went to visit that thing at the animal
> shelter to spit and throw rocks at it (just kidding, I feel
> bad for the poor thing and gave it a doggie biscuit. It’s not his
> fault that it was born to kill), the quarantine section (where
> they keep the “biters”) had about 18 pissbulls and 3 non’s.
> The blasted media must have made them bite!
Never said their were no man biters. Just bad people (i.e. byb's dumbass)
> Fifth, perhaps it is you and your ilk that are "to ignorant
> or to set in their ways" to understand that there IS some
> validity to the arguments against your precious shitbull
> breed. You feel the need to justify ownership and
> proliferation of a breed that was “bread to be dog
> agressive for hundreds of years”. Brilliant! Yeah, pitbull
> owners are more rational and informed than the rest of us.
Never said that. But the majority of them are more responsible than your
idiot friend that lets his play with other dogs OFF LEASE.
> Sixth, I’ve repeatedly sank to this forum’s level by
> resorting to name calling, foolish presumptions, arguments
> by assertion, and all manner of childish, idiotic rambling.
> Although it is difficult, I will attempt to maintain a
> monosyllabic, uneducated posture in future discussions
> with this group. After all, you’re only pitbull owners (see!).
> Plus, it’s funny!
>
The only think funny is your obsession with boobs. Whats a matter? I bet
you were breast fead till the age of 18 you little troll.
Hey, tell your wife/sister that i want the change from the euro dollar the
gang gave her last night.
Punk ass.
John F Richardson
:How long is your wallet chain?
Yo, moron!
Have you figured out yet that
the last person you asked this
stupid question to doesn't
own any Pit Bulls? I, however,
do own a couple of Pit Bulls, but
had never even heard of wallet
chains before. You don't
peg people very well, do you?
Bigots generally don't, eh?
Rocky
>Have you figured out yet that
>the last person you asked this
>stupid question to doesn't
>own any Pit Bulls?
Geeeeeze, John. You gave the answer; I was staying silent 'til
Booby made a guess.
John F Richardson
:Forth, I know for a fact that the
:shitbull that twice attacked my
:dog (and subsequently tried to eat
:my hands) was not raised by scummy
:people, was not trained to attack,
:didn't hang from a tire in some ghetto
:front yard, and seems quite friendly.
:But when it decided to attack, it was
:so determined to kill that it took 5
:people, 2 of us which were pounding
:the shit out of it's inbred (not inbread)
:head, to get it off of my dog's neck.
:So don't give me the tired "it is the
:owner" routine.
The Pit Bull conspecific fight drive is
indeed a counterexample to the old
"it's all in how they're raised" song
and dance. However, the owner IS
responsible for keeping the dog
out of trouble and, as a last failsafe,
should have and know how to use a
breakstick, which is by far the best
way to get a Pit Bull off another dog.
Bashing the dog on the head is useless
barbarism. I don't blame you, a non-owner,
for not knowing better. But the owner
sure should have. And if this dog is
human aggressive as well, then the
owner is a dipshit for keeping the dog
at all.
John F Richardson
>The Pit Bull conspecific fight drive is
>indeed a counterexample to the old
>"it's all in how they're raised" song
>and dance.
dfrntdrums replies:
:Not always.
Yes, always. This issue is separate from
whether all Pit Bulls have that fight drive.
I have a Pit Mix that is one of the least
likely to get into a fight of any dog I've
known (though even she DOES love to
play wrassle at speeds and intensities
that some might actually confuse for
with an actual fight). But those Pit Bulls
who, upon maturity, acquire a serious
fight drive have NOT been "made that
way" through training. One can encourage
it, discourage it or allow things to fall
where they may and that will nudge
the dog a little in one direction or the
other in attitudes towards other dogs.
But even the best trained, best socialized
Pit Bulls can develop this instinct, much
to the chagrin of those who naively thought
that "it's all in how they're raised".
:I have a friend with a purebred APBT,
:and this dog LOVES other dogs. He tried
:to make friends with my Eskie, who then
:challenged him. The pit bull just put
:his head down, looking like his feelings
:were hurt, and walked away.
Pablo is the same way with the bratty
Spaniel Mix and Beagle in the pack, but
he has a very serious fight drive that
these small pack mates simply don't
stimulate. Be careful about jumping to
conclusions. It leads to screw ups.
:The owner is very strict with him.
:When he began to play rough with
:my puppy, the owner grabbed him
:and made him sit. He didn't do
:anything wrong in my opinion, just
:mouthed her. His tail was going and
:he had a big grin on his face.
Yes, that's all well and good. But don't
assume that he'd behave the same
way around all other dogs. Maybe he
would, maybe he wouldn't.
:Gorgeous dog - very friendly to
:people, too.
Even the most indiscrimately dog
aggressive of Pit Bulls tend to be
friendly with humans. It's part of
their genetic heritage.
Paul Matthews
>assume that he'd behave the same
>way around all other dogs. Maybe he
>would, maybe he wouldn't.
John, I've been learning a lot about pits from reading your posts & appreciate
the info. As far as I can tell, my pup has pit as part of her breeds.
Along with being aware that as she gets older she may change how she interacts
with other dogs and making sure she's socialized well, do you have any other
tips or training ideas that would be useful? I have no idea how
pit/akita/GSD-like she'll be as she grows, but I'm trying to keep all 3 breeds
in her in mind with her training as she grows.
As an aside, your quote in the posts is great...she's got a pink squeaky ball
that's been a favorite since I got her.
Thanks
John F Richardson
:John, I've been learning a lot about
:pits from reading your posts &
:appreciate the info. As far as I
:can tell, my pup has pit as part
:of her breeds.
If you have a jpeg, email it to me!
:Along with being aware that as
:she gets older she may change
:how she interacts with other
:dogs and making sure she's
:socialized well, do you have
:any other tips or training ideas
:that would be useful?
For most matters, training them
is just like training any other kind
of dog. For dog and/or other animal
aggression issues that may or may
not arise (in a APBT/Akita/GSD Mix,
however, I'd wager a fair wad that
certain issues WILL arise!), I'd recommend
joining an email list like:
It's easier to discuss specific issues
as they arise rather than map out
some huge network of contigencies.
Now, your dog will probably have some
dog aggression issues, even if it is
merely a matter of taking serious
challenges from serious dogs (in
her estimation, not yours) seriously.
She will probably NOT show the over-
the-top tenacity in fights that a
purebred Pit Bull does, but it since
"probably" isn't "definitely", you
might consider getting a break
stick somewhere down the line.
Keep an eye on how handleable
she remains if and when she IS
riled by another dog. If she starts
lashing out all over the place, a
break stick may not be a good idea
after all, as it could put you in harm's
way. Just a few of the many things
to think ahead about...
:I have no idea how pit/akita/GSD-like
:she'll be as she grows,
It's always a wide open question even
if you are 100% certain about the
component breeds...
:but I'm trying to keep all 3 breeds
:in her in mind with her training as
:she grows.
That's a very smart move.
:As an aside, your quote in the posts
:is great...she's got a pink squeaky ball
:that's been a favorite since I got her.
Oh, with a pink squeaky on the job,
you're well on your way!!!! :)
Paul Matthews
>snagpc writes:
>If you have a jpeg, email it to me!
I just had a roll of film processed, & found out my old camera doesn't focus
quite as close as I thought it did, so I'm going to have to take some more. Her
face though, looks enough like Zeddy's to be his sister
> (in a APBT/Akita/GSD Mix,
>however, I'd wager a fair wad that
>certain issues WILL arise!),
yup, she won't back down from anything. If she startles, it only takes a second
or two before she goes back to what she was doing or goes over to investigate.
She usually ignores it though, which I like. It seems to indicate that she
thinks unless something is really serious, why bother with it? I prefer that
over the dog who has to jump up and go bark at everything.
> I'd recommend
>joining an email list like:
>
>DogO...@yahoogroups.com
sounds good, thanks
>Now, your dog will probably have some
>dog aggression issues, even if it is
>merely a matter of taking serious
>challenges from serious dogs (in
>her estimation, not yours) seriously.
So far, she's been pretty friendly to other dogs, wagging her tail and wanting
to exchange sniffs. There's only been one dog she met and didn't like, a female
pug while we were taking a pee break at a park. The other dog was just walking
down the sidewalk, but my pup's hackles came up, neck to tail, and her head
went down level with her back. I sat her down and ruffled her ears, telling her
to stop acting silly, hoping it would show her she didn't need to behave like
that. This was when she was about two months old.
When she wrestles with my mom's ACD mix, every once in a while her toe will get
stepped on or she'll get carried away, and her voice goes up along with the
hackles and she starts chasing him around in earnest. She gets sat down until
she calms back down, then she's allowed to go back to playing nicely. So far,
she's been willing to sit and relaxes pretty good, not wanting to jump up and
keep after him right away.
>She will probably NOT show the over-
>the-top tenacity in fights that a
>purebred Pit Bull does, but it since
>"probably" isn't "definitely", you
>might consider getting a break
>stick somewhere down the line.
yup, that's been on my list of to-makes since I saw it explained. Sounds like a
good thing to have around a dog park too, for a "just in case" with other
people's dogs.
>Keep an eye on how handleable
>she remains if and when she IS
>riled by another dog. If she starts
>lashing out all over the place, a
>break stick may not be a good idea
>after all, as it could put you in harm's
>way.
When she goes ballistic and takes off after my mom's dog, she pretty much
sticks to his neck or cheeks & doesn't move her body around much. When I take
her by the sides and pull her back, she doesn't try to turn around to bite me
or keep going at him, just sits down, so I'm hoping that sticks.
Thanks again for your help.
John F Richardson
>If you have a jpeg, email it to me!
Paul M (snagpc) replies:
:I just had a roll of film processed, &
:found out my old camera doesn't focus
:quite as close as I thought it did, so I'm
:going to have to take some more. Her
:face though, looks enough like Zeddy's
:to be his sister
Look forward to seeing what you can
send when you get the right pics!
> (in a APBT/Akita/GSD Mix,
>however, I'd wager a fair wad that
>certain issues WILL arise!),
:yup, she won't back down from
:anything. If she startles, it only
:takes a second or two before she
:goes back to what she was doing or
:goes over to investigate. She usually
:ignores it though, which I like. It
:seems to indicate that she thinks
:unless something is really serious,
:why bother with it? I prefer that
:over the dog who has to jump up and
:go bark at everything.
Me too. My only caveat is that what
they take seriously and what you think
they ought and ought NOT to take
seriously may not always be the
same thing.
[snip]
>Now, your dog will probably have some
>dog aggression issues, even if it is
>merely a matter of taking serious
>challenges from serious dogs (in
>her estimation, not yours) seriously.
:So far, she's been pretty friendly to
:other dogs, wagging her tail and wanting
:to exchange sniffs. There's only been one
:dog she met and didn't like, a female
:pug while we were taking a pee break
:at a park.
Ah! But evilpuggz are a known threat to
human freedom! Watch the skies! Watch
the skies!
Sorry, bit of a running joke...
:The other dog was just walking
:down the sidewalk, but my pup's
:hackles came up, neck to tail, and
:her head went down level with her
:back. I sat her down and ruffled her
:ears, telling her to stop acting silly,
:hoping it would show her she didn't
:need to behave like that. This was
:when she was about two months old.
Quite young. PROBABLY something
just struck her as troublingly abnormal.
:When she wrestles with my mom's
:ACD mix, every once in a while her toe
:will get stepped on or she'll get carried
:away, and her voice goes up along with the
:hackles and she starts chasing him around
:in earnest. She gets sat down until she
:calms back down, then she's allowed to go
:back to playing nicely. So far, she's been
:willing to sit and relaxes pretty good, not
:wanting to jump up and keep after him right
:away.
That's good and it is my LEAST aggressive
Pit Mix, Winnie, who can get overagitated
in play fights and start coming on too strong.
It's still play for her, or a mixture of play
and acting out a panic attack over something
that happened earlier in her case. Silly the
StaffyRat is the one most likely to switch
from play to true correction mode, but she
has her own off-switch once she's mad her
point. Anyway, the apparent "hackliness" of
your dog is evidence that she is more in
the "normal range" for dog aggression
issues. Pit Bulls are famous for NOT
putting their hackles up before a fight,
or doing so only very, very minimally.
>She will probably NOT show the over-
>the-top tenacity in fights that a
>purebred Pit Bull does, but it since
>"probably" isn't "definitely", you
>might consider getting a break
>stick somewhere down the line.
:yup, that's been on my list of to-makes
:since I saw it explained. Sounds like a
:good thing to have around a dog park too,
:for a "just in case" with other people's dogs.
Yeah, it's pretty sad, but it's getting
to the point where almost everyone
might well consider making it part of
their standard equipment "just in case".
But do be aware that using a break stick
will bring you in very close quarters with
the dog whose bite hold you are breaking.
It works well with Pit Bulls precisely because
they tend to be extremely tolerant of such
handling by humans despite their obvious
desire to maintain the hold. A dog that
is human aggressive, highly stressed in
fights and therefore prone to lash out
wildly if handled during a fight or, well,
"possessive aggresive" about its, um,
"chew toy" (ie the other dog) will pose
problems for anyone using a breakstick.
>Keep an eye on how handleable
>she remains if and when she IS
>riled by another dog. If she starts
>lashing out all over the place, a
>break stick may not be a good idea
>after all, as it could put you in harm's
>way.
:When she goes ballistic and takes off
:after my mom's dog, she pretty much
:sticks to his neck or cheeks & doesn't
:move her body around much. When I take
:her by the sides and pull her back, she
:doesn't try to turn around to bite me
:or keep going at him, just sits down,
Excellent.
:so I'm hoping that sticks.
Yeah. Something to keep monitoring,
but certainly a good sign so far!
:Thanks again for your help.
I'm always glad to discuss this stuff
and there are a lot of people with a
lot of experience dealing with this
kind of concern on those lists.
Paul Matthews
>Ah! But evilpuggz are a known threat to
>human freedom! Watch the skies! Watch
>the skies!
...
>PROBABLY something
>just struck her as troublingly abnormal.
gotta be that alien mug on 'em...gets all smooshed in during the crash landings
Nic
Nic
landings
Yup. Here's proof...
http://www.teleport.com/~pitbull/alienbuster.jpg
Nic
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Chrisman Dinnan
bring out this fight drive?? With my dog it seems to be so. He's quite the
gentleman, I must say, when a smaller dog shows aggression, but bigger dogs
DO NOT get the kind of leeway that their smaller counterparts do.
I'm asking because I'm going camping in the wonderful country of Canada this
summer and two other couples will be bringing their dogs. I will be sharing
a site with a friend who has a Border Collie who my dog is not threatened by
and I foresee no real trouble (but always remain prepared). However, the
other couple has a really nice GSD, beautiful. He's nice to me, but dogs
have their own way of deciding if they are gonna get along or not. My dog
"Usul" (The Strength at the base of the pillar) has been neutered, the GSD
is in tact.
My dog will be on a leash the entire trip, I will have my breaking stick, in
short, I will be preparing for the worst, while hoping for the best. Usul
demeanor is such that he (thus far) doesn't try to start fights (unless it's
with that Golden that attacked him three times) and is content to make nice
nice. However, if there is a show of aggression, he will respond in kind.
If worst comes to worst I guess we'll just have to keep'em separated. They
cannot do damage to one another if they are not in close proximity.
BTW, I am of the opinion that a neutered male Pitbull makes the greatest of
all pets. Amongst some other fans of the breed that I know, I have run into
resistance to this notion. I was wondering what you had to say on the
subject of neutering???
Emily
<broc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I was wondering if it has been your experience that larger dogs tend to
> bring out this fight drive?? With my dog it seems to be so. He's quite the
> gentleman, I must say, when a smaller dog shows aggression, but bigger dogs
> DO NOT get the kind of leeway that their smaller counterparts do.
>
> I'm asking because I'm going camping in the wonderful country of Canada this
> summer and two other couples will be bringing their dogs. I will be sharing
> a site with a friend who has a Border Collie who my dog is not threatened by
> and I foresee no real trouble (but always remain prepared). However, the
> other couple has a really nice GSD, beautiful. He's nice to me, but dogs
> have their own way of deciding if they are gonna get along or not. My dog
> "Usul" (The Strength at the base of the pillar) has been neutered, the GSD
> is in tact.
I don't want to generalize from my own limited experience, but watch out
with both the BC and the GSD!
My APBT had her first serious almost-fight with a BC that got real
possessive/bossy about a stick.
And when I watch my agility buddies' BCs playing, I see a lot of
dominance/bossy behavior. I don't think pitties as a rule are real good
with that. And then I also have to say my experience with GSDs is that
they can be too serious for the pitbull goofball style of play.
But then you already know you have to supervise your guy's playing...
Emily (not ~Emily)
Emily
(Paul Matthews) wrote:
> jfrc...@aol.com (John F Richardson) says...
>
> >Ah! But evilpuggz are a known threat to
> >human freedom! Watch the skies! Watch
> >the skies!
> ...
> >PROBABLY something
> >just struck her as troublingly abnormal.
>
> gotta be that alien mug on 'em...gets all smooshed in during the crash
landings
>
>
drat! there's a new pug baby in my neighborhood. We've passed her yard
on our daily walk and Lulu has already sniffed noses with her.
I'm going now to look for that pod...
Emily (not ~Emily)
John F Richardson
:I was wondering if it has been
:your experience that larger dogs
:tend to bring out this fight drive??
Yes, that is quite common. Larger
dogs, more athletic dogs, more
confident dogs. These are more
likely to inspire the fight instinct.
It's true of Pablo and it's something
I've heard over and over again from
other people about their dogs.
The one caveat is that some Pit Bulls
have extremely high small animal prey
drives and some, though far from all,
of those consider small dogs fair game.
I've known of some seriously disconcerting
cases.
:With my dog it seems to be so. He's
:quite the gentleman, I must say, when
:a smaller dog shows aggression, but
:bigger dogs DO NOT get the kind of
:leeway that their smaller counterparts
:do.
Right. Pablo has calmly put up with some
truly obnoxious stuff from small dogs
inside and outside the pack. Big dogs
get no slack. And he is especially negatively
attuned to height. He really loathes the
neighbor's Dane (though the Dane does
reciprocate that and did indeed go nuts
a Pablo before Pablo ever went nuts at him).
One of the few times he's gotten notably
riled by another dog when out on a walk
(albeit still more or less in front of our
house) was when he saw another neighbor
walking his rescue Greyhound (of which
there are several in town).
:I'm asking because I'm going camping in
:the wonderful country of Canada this
:summer and two other couples will be
:bringing their dogs. I will be sharing a
:site with a friend who has a Border Collie
:who my dog is not threatened by and I
:foresee no real trouble (but always
:remain prepared).
Roger, that last bit. ALWAYS stay prepared.
I take it your dog has met the BC? My single
worst experience with Pablo was with a BC.
And when I related the tale to a Pit Bull list
or two, someone noted that Pit Bulls not
infrequently get a bit miffed by BCs,
Aussies and their bold "take charge"
demeanor. I'm sure, however, that this
feeling is not universal among Pit Bulls.
:However, the other couple has a really
:nice GSD, beautiful. He's nice to me,
:but dogs have their own way of deciding
:if they are gonna get along or not. My dog
:"Usul" (The Strength at the base of the
:pillar) has been neutered, the GSD
:is in tact.
The only thing that neutering can reasonably
reliably help with is preventing the sort of
sexual jealousy fights that can break out
among intact males around females in heat.
:My dog will be on a leash the entire trip, I
:will have my breaking stick, in short, I will
:be preparing for the worst, while hoping for
:the best. Usul demeanor is such that he
:(thus far) doesn't try to start fights (unless
:it's with that Golden that attacked him three
:times)
I suppose we're past the point where that
should strictly count as "starting a fight".
I'm sure Usul considers the fight to be an
ongoing thing that the other dog started.
:and is content to make nice nice. However,
:if there is a show of aggression, he will respond
:in kind.
Right. And how well WILL you be able to
keep the dogs separated? Sharing space
at a campsite with someone who is bringing
a large unfamiliar dog sounds like a great
way NOT to spend vacation time with your
Pit Bull. I won't state flatly that this is
guaranteed to end in disaster, but I frankly
don't like the odds.
:If worst comes to worst I guess we'll just
:have to keep'em separated. They cannot
:do damage to one another if they are not
:in close proximity.
True, but what kind of enclosure or other
restraint will you have available?
:BTW, I am of the opinion that a neutered
:male Pitbull makes the greatest of all pets.
:Amongst some other fans of the breed that
:I know, I have run into resistance to this
:notion. I was wondering what you had to say
:on the subject of neutering???
100% for it for the vast majority of the Pit
Bulls out there. The breed is being horribly
overbred and accidental matings involving
Pit Bulls are common as well, as one can see
by viewing all the broad-cheeked, almond-eyed,
muscular mutts that come into shelters - often
never to depart again. So the onus should be
on justifying the keeping non-neutered Pit Bulls.
No, I don't want the whole breed neutered.
But a relative handful of dogs bred quite
sparingly will be more than enough to carry
the breed on.
Pablo is neutered. Baby Beth is spayed,
as are all the rest of the "bully babes"
(assorted Pit and Staffy Mixes) and the
"unbullies".