The one explanation I can come up with is, that my wife is pregnant
and he is sensing that?
Anyway, is there anything that can be done to settle him down short of
neutering. He is a beautiful, uniquely colored cocker and I want to
breed him at some point.
Any suggestions, comments, question..are welcomed.
Thank you.
Danny
Get him a little damsel to have relations with. Don't you realize that
all male species must have sex. Or you can nut him.
Nick
Male species???? Thik NicKen dude is way too much. My sides hurt.
Stop it.
Steve Barnard
Don't you like it how I put things. I visited a young female friend
of mine and when we were discussing (clearing throat) her divorce it
came up how males of all species needed sex and the females did not.
I thought it was pretty funny that men were compared to male dogs who
wanted to have sex with anything that moved. Wherefore this little
dog needs some butt!
Nick
[...]
>Anyway, is there anything that can be done to settle him down short of
>neutering. He is a beautiful, uniquely colored cocker and I want to
>breed him at some point.
Unless your dog is exceptional in some way, AND has passed a battery
of genetic testing, AND you can trace his lineage back at least five
generations or so, no responsible breeder would consider using him as
a stud.
So my advice is to neuter him. It'll calm him down, plus it's the
responsible thing to do.
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw
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"Of course dogs can see television, but they have
too much good sense to actually watch it." -Ed Gauci
Danny Fabrizius <fabr...@aisd1.allen.k12.tx.us> wrote in article
<5fuhnj$cnb$1...@news.internetmci.com>...
Besides what Mark told you, don't be so sure that this behavior is
sexually related. My little cocker mix humps my big GSD's necks all the
time. Its a sign of dominance, not sex. And believe me, she IS top dog
around here. Neutering will help with the aggressive behavior.
Terri
>In article <5fuhnj$cnb$1...@news.internetmci.com>,
>fabr...@aisd1.allen.k12.tx.us (Danny Fabrizius) wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Anyway, is there anything that can be done to settle him down short of
>>neutering. He is a beautiful, uniquely colored cocker and I want to
>>breed him at some point.
>
>Unless your dog is exceptional in some way, AND has passed a battery
>of genetic testing, AND you can trace his lineage back at least five
>generations or so, no responsible breeder would consider using him as
>a stud.
>
>So my advice is to neuter him. It'll calm him down, plus it's the
>responsible thing to do.
My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
background!
I'm about sick and tired of everyone in this group telling me to
neuter my dog because he isn't fit to be bred. Is everyone else's dog
neutered? Is everyone else's dog passed a "battery of genetic
testing". Get over yourself everyone. I asked for suggestions not a
lecture on why/why not to breed my dog. I have gotten 1 really
helpful response. All the rest have been b.s. about lineage, or
psychobabble about neutering my dogs affects my sexuality.
I'm sorry I wasted my time and everyone else's asking for some help
here.
>My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
>generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
>background!
Great! What titles has he earned, and what health clearances has he
passed? How will you screen applicants for the pups, and what spay/
neuter arrangements will you insist on? What happens if one of your
clients has to give up one of your pups for any reason over the next
14 years or so?
>I'm about sick and tired of everyone in this group telling me to
>neuter my dog because he isn't fit to be bred. Is everyone else's dog
>neutered? Is everyone else's dog passed a "battery of genetic
>testing". Get over yourself everyone. I asked for suggestions not a
>lecture on why/why not to breed my dog. I have gotten 1 really
>helpful response. All the rest have been b.s. about lineage, or
>psychobabble about neutering my dogs affects my sexuality.
Look, Mr. Fabrizius. I'm sorry our answers weren't to your liking. But
irresponsible breeding is becoming a *huge* problem in this country. Here
in the Dallas/Ft Worth area alone, over seven hundred unwanted dogs and
cats are killed in shelters PER DAY. [1] And you can bet that many, if not
most, of those animals had a forebear whose owner just *had* to breed him
or her because he or she was "exceptional."
I see no evidence that you are acting to do anything but compound this
problem. Until I do, I shall continue to consider you to be a jackass.
Oh, and since you asked: Maggie, who is certainly exceptional, is spayed.
[1] SPCA estimate from 1995. Probably higher now.
--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw
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"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you.
This is the principal difference between a man and his dog." -Mark Twain
>My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
>generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
>background!
My friend has a dog from a pet store who has a five generation pedigree.
Five generations is no big deal. All it means is that you can look in the
AKC stud book and trace him back. THe existance of five traceable
generations doesn't mean anything. Afterall, I can trace one line of my
young dog back to the first Goldens ever bred. Big whup. All it means is
that I did the work needed to trace him back to that point.
>I'm about sick and tired of everyone in this group telling me to
>neuter my dog because he isn't fit to be bred. Is everyone else's dog
>neutered? Is everyone else's dog passed a "battery of genetic
>testing". Get over yourself everyone. I asked for suggestions not a
Well, my older bitch is spayed. She certainly has nothing to contribute to
the gene pool, sweet as she is. My younger dog, U-CD Sligo,Can CD,CGC,TDI
going for his last AKC CD leg this weekend, going for his NA, Can CDX,
U-CDX, JH and WC this year, he's intact. He's also an OFA Excellent,
CERF'd normal once for each year of his life, thyroid tested normal,
seizure free, allergy free, cardiac normal,shown in the breed ring, a
good hunting dog, a pleasant and easy going dog, and a correct looking and
acting Golden. His father finished at four, his mother is a pointed
JH,CDX,WCX bitch, working on her SH and UD. All four grandparents were
Am/Can CH's with obedience and/or working titles.
So yes, he's intact. But if I hadn't bothered doing his genetic testing
along with his working tests, why would I keep him intact? Just what the
world needs, another sub par stud dog.
I know many Cockers. I know a very few who are good
looking dogs, who are good around people and dogs, and who can still hunt.
Somehow I bet that yours doesn't fit this niche. I also bet that you have
never taken your dog to an eye clinic, and have no clue as to what
disgusting genetic abnormalities lurk in him. And that you don't care. You
see, you are confusing his testes with yours. Clue: His are furrier.
Ann, not about to get over herself as suggested, Twzl & Sligo
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Anyone who is such a scaredy cccatt that they MAIl their flames to me
rather than posting them, will see them posted as a followup to the thread.
>My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
>generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
>background!
How nice for you.
>I'm about sick and tired of everyone in this group telling me to
>neuter my dog because he isn't fit to be bred. Is everyone else's dog
>neutered? Is everyone else's dog passed a "battery of genetic
>testing".
Well, I happen to own *five* of the MOST exceptional dogs ever, and they're ALL
neutered.
They've also had eyes, hips, and thyroid checked.
Several also have titles (and we're working on more).
Four of them also happen to be rescues (the results of what happens when
clueless people like yourself engage in breeding unwanted pups). If you
hang around these groups at all, you'll see PLENTY of posts begging people
to adopt hordes of Cockers bred by ignorant people who think that a
registration number and a five-generation pedigree are all it takes to make
a quality dog. NOT.
I agree with Ann. You've got your dogs testicles mixed up with your own
(but I'm not that sure that his are furrier).
>I'm sorry I wasted my time and everyone else's asking for some help
>here.
From my vantage point, you got good advice. Too bad you're too dumb or
threatened to take it.
--
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Archie (6yo Doberman/Torpedo); Nell, CGC (Gorgeous 5yo
Lady Whippet); Oliver, CGC, FDCH (TMWDITW -- 5yo Border
Collie); Ripley, CGC (BC Wonder Pup); and Haley Bell the
Beeyouteefull BLT (Black Lab 'Triever) l-o...@uiuc.edu
"Do not disturb. Already disturbed."
Wendy Browne
Urban Legend APBTs
**Responsible Parent and Dog Owner**
Site under construction. http://members.aol.com/iluvpits/index.html.
Danny Fabrizius (fabr...@aisd1.allen.k12.tx.us) wrote:
: My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
: generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
: background!
What's outstanding about his background? What's exceptional about him,
and whats' unique about his coloring?
If you keep insisting he's fabulous but won't tell us why, it's only
natural for us to be skeptical.
A five gen. pedigree doesn't mean anything. I can trace my registered
UKC Grand Champion Bluetick Coonhound back for seven generations, and
her background is mediocre. A few titled dogs in the 4th generation
and beyond, lots of unknown untitled dogs, and a sire that the breeder
himself told me was ugly. And yes, she's neutered and has never been
bred. I'm too lazy to do health screening and would never breed a dog
without it, so I had her spayed. Besides, even if that wasn't enough,
she has epilepsy.
I can trace my own lineage back a lot further than 5 generations and
there's nothing outstanding about my background either. Not that it
matters since my husband had himself fixed.
>
> My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
> generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
> background!
So? I can trace my male doberman's lineage back much farther than 5
generations. His dam is pointed and has worked in Search and Rescue. His
sire is a multi Best in Show, Best in Speciality Show dog who is still
quite healthy at age 12, elderly for a doberman. But he's neutered,
because he himself cannot contribute anything special to the breed.
>
> I'm about sick and tired of everyone in this group telling me to
> neuter my dog because he isn't fit to be bred. Is everyone else's dog
> neutered? Is everyone else's dog passed a "battery of genetic
> testing". Get over yourself everyone. I asked for suggestions not a
> lecture on why/why not to breed my dog.
Hey, guess what. This is a DISCUSSION group. If you don't want to hear
discussion, don't post here. If you only want to hear things which will
make you feel like a bigger man and a wonderful owner, don't post here.
You asked for help. We gave it. You didn't like what we said. Too bad,
so sad.
Neuter the dog.
--
Robin, Jasper and Dreamer
robin_...@muccmail.missouri.edu
(my opinions are strictly my own!)
Doberman page:
http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/
>fabr...@aisd1.allen.k12.tx.us (Danny Fabrizius) wrote:
>>My dog is exceptional and I can trace his lineage back at least five
>>generations! He is a registered cocker with an outstanding
>>background!
>
>How nice for you.
*CUT*
>
>Well, I happen to own *five* of the MOST exceptional dogs ever, and they're ALL
>neutered.
>
>They've also had eyes, hips, and thyroid checked.
>
>Several also have titles (and we're working on more).
>
>Four of them also happen to be rescues (the results of what happens when
>clueless people like yourself engage in breeding unwanted pups). If you
>hang around these groups at all, you'll see PLENTY of posts begging people
>to adopt hordes of Cockers bred by ignorant people who think that a
>registration number and a five-generation pedigree are all it takes to make
>a quality dog. NOT.
>
>I agree with Ann. You've got your dogs testicles mixed up with your own
>(but I'm not that sure that his are furrier).
>
>>I'm sorry I wasted my time and everyone else's asking for some help
>>here.
>
>From my vantage point, you got good advice. Too bad you're too dumb or
>threatened to take it.
Look people....
I asked a simple question about anything I can do to settle my dog
down.
I never once said I would never neuter. I never once said my dog was
the shit. I never once claimed to not be responsible. I never once
said that my sexuality is threatened.
I was looking for an immediate solution until I can go over all the
details in making a decison on neutering.
All of you folks want to save the world from "bad" dogs. I don't want
unhealthy, mistreated dogs in the world either. I love my dogs very
much as I do with all dogs. I'm not running around breeding my dog
with every bitch I see. He hasn't bred yet and won't until I'm sure
that it is a good idea.
Once again, I state, all I asked for advice for a quick solution. But
no, all I have gotten is lectured, insulted, abused. Everyone on the
net seems to think they are all knowing and since everyone is behind a
keyboard and not face to face, they say whatever they want and don't
care about the person on the receiving end.
So...think about it. Think about how this started. I never claimed
anything but asked a simple question. Get off you soapbox and be
helpful if you have answers. Otherwise, go lecture someone that asks
questions about breeding.
Cripes...you people think that everyone is irresponsible or stupid.
Sorry, I just couldn't pass this one by. In answer to your questions, Yes,
all 5 of my males dogs are neutered. Yes, I bought them from a show
breeder and each one of them has been X-rayed for hip, elbow and knee
problems. I bought them for their wonderful personalities. I chose to do
the 'genetic testing' myself once they were old enough for my peace of
mind and so the breeder would have a record of it for herself. To avoid
breaking someone's heart later on, (possibly a child's when the puppy
turns out to have problems) PLEASE test your dog for whatever genetic
diseases you can. If you haven't done your breeding homework and testings,
then face it, you are GOING to get lectured. Because knowledge is our only
hope of healthy happy purebreds. Thank you for listening.
fabr...@aisd1.allen.k12.tx.us (Danny Fabrizius) writes:
>Look people....
>I asked a simple question about anything I can do to settle my dog down.
>I never once said I would never neuter.
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>I was looking for an immediate solution until I can go over all the
>details in making a decison on neutering.
may I quote you?
:Anyway, is there anything that can be done to settle him down short of
:neutering. He is a beautiful, uniquely colored cocker and I want to
:breed him at some point.
>Once again, I state, all I asked for advice for a quick solution.
>But no, all I have gotten is lectured, insulted, abused. [rant deleted]
Mark wrote:
:Unless your dog is exceptional in some way, AND has passed a battery
:of genetic testing, AND you can trace his lineage back at least five
:generations or so, no responsible breeder would consider using him as
:a stud.
:So my advice is to neuter him. It'll calm him down, plus it's the
:responsible thing to do.
Scooby wrote asking about bullying and suggesting that:
:If you absolutely won't neuter him your only choice is repeatedly
:correcting him.
He also wrote:
:As for 'getting him some' that won't help anything.
Which I took to be a response to Nick Idoni's flamebait:
:Get him a little damsel to have relations with. Don't you realize that
:all male species must have sex. Or you can nut him.
And the last response that I could find to your original message was from
dogsnus:
:Besides what Mark told you, don't be so sure that this behavior is
:sexually related. My little cocker mix humps my big GSD's necks all the
:time. Its a sign of dominance, not sex. And believe me, she IS top dog
:around here. Neutering will help with the aggressive behavior.
:Terri
Danny,
Now clearly I haven't read your e-mail but with regards to the above
I simply don't see any insults or abuse and only the least bit of a hint of
a lecture in those responses.
After that you went on a whine-fest about how everybody was picking
on you and how great your dog was. That is what caused the deluge of heated
replies.
If you don't want to neuter him yet, fine, start correcting him
every time he harrasses your other dog. Then find out what problems
cockers have and start getting him tested.
Robert
specify the e-mail address below, my reply-to: has anti-spam added to it
Mor...@physics.niu.edu
Real Men change diapers
I couldn't agree more. I was just looking for quick help until
factors could be considered and long term decisions made.
Before I breed, I will do my homework and follow up on a lot of the
points everyone brought up.
Sorry if I started a flamefest.
I can trace both my dogs back five generations, too. And they have
some excellent breeding in their backgrounds.
: I'm about sick and tired of everyone in this group telling me to
: neuter my dog because he isn't fit to be bred. Is everyone else's dog
: neutered?
Mine are.
: Is everyone else's dog passed a "battery of genetic
: testing".
No. Mine are neutered because they *didn't* pass the testing.
April with Levi and Caper, the Border Collie Hurricanes
aqu...@netcom.com
Nah -- but that remark about *needing* sex was a little way out....
Jane Webb
Moon* and Mudpie
* the Ultimate Blonde
Yeah, pretty much.
Get over your own self. Obvious where the male dominance thing came from.
Jane Webb
Moon and Mudpie