housebreaking in a multi level home
Nessa
When Bagel is downstairs regardless of whether or not I am with him, he will
ask to go out either by barking (and eventually ringing the bell) or just
ringing the bell which is what I prefer.
However when we are upstairs and I am not available (i.e. in the shower) he
will just walk into the hall and pee/poop.
What can I do to get him to tell me he has to go out wherever I am and
whatever I am doing?
(and I know I have to confine him but I really really really want the dogs
with me.)
tia
Nessa
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J1Boss
>Hi This is about Bagel, Hannah is doing as well as can be expected.
>
>When Bagel is downstairs regardless of whether or not I am with him, he will
>ask to go out either by barking (and eventually ringing the bell) or just
>ringing the bell which is what I prefer.
>
>However when we are upstairs and I am not available (i.e. in the shower) he
>will just walk into the hall and pee/poop.
>
>What can I do to get him to tell me he has to go out wherever I am and
>whatever I am doing?
>
>(and I know I have to confine him but I really really really want the dogs
>with me.)
A few things.
1 - I teach dogs to come GET ME when they need out. Not location specific that
way and I can't miss it.
2 - if the shower situation is a problem, take him out before you get in the
shower. If he still eliminates while you're in there, you have other issues
than housebreaking.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BethF
it long enough for you to get out of the shower.
Can you lock him in the bathroom with you? Thats where my guys are. Or if
I am in the bedroom they are confined to the bedroom. This way he CAN ask.
And I suspect he might not do it if you are right there anyway.
Also, make sure that hall, if thats a spot that keeps getting "attention" is
REALLY clean with gallons of enzyme stuff.
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J1Boss
>Nessa, I recommend that you abandon this philosophy altogether. I
>think you should put your dogs on a strict routine, one where you
>closely monitor and regulate when they eat, and when they go outside
>to do their business. That is, set aside specific times during the
>day when you take your dogs outside; don't wait for them to tell you
>when they have to go. Take them out first thing in the morning, one
>hour after they eat, then every so often throughout the day and
>evening (yes, say every two or three or four hours on the dot,
>depending on your dog's size, habits, etc.). Each time you allow Bagel
>to go inside, even just upstairs, you're virtually wiping out
>everything he's ever learned (about housebreaking) up to that point.
>So don't let it happen. I *never* use the bell routine, or make my
>dogs tell me when they have to do their business. Instead, I tell them
>when it's time for them to do their business. Eventually though, they
>become so habituated to going outside at specific times, they start
>reminding me whenever it's getting close to one of those set times.
Hey -I agree with Jack! ;-D My dogs have very set elimination patterns (set by
me primarily). The only variance is illness or weirdness in my schedule.
Franklin has been sick the last few days. He asks to go out if he needs to
vomit - a very nice trait. For the most part though - the dogs go out when I
let them out - first thing in a.m., after they eat, again about an hour later,
then maybe not again for the rest of the day, depending on what we're doing.
Always right before bed, but they give me that "we don't NEED to" look. I send
them out anyway.
Suja
J1Boss wrote:
>
> Hey -I agree with Jack! ;-D My dogs have very set elimination patterns (set by
Ditto.
> me primarily). The only variance is illness or weirdness in my schedule.
>
For that reason, it is important they be able to tell you when they need
to go out. For the longest time, I worried about whether Khan really
was housebroken, because he never asked to go out. Once, at 3:00 in the
morning, he whined, started doing play bows, running up and down stairs
etc; I took him out, and of course, he had the runs. It has happened
twice so far, but now I know that he knows that peeing/pooping inside is
strictly off limits. He looked so miserable when the prednisone made
him pee indoors.
Suja
Leah
>For the longest time, I worried about whether Khan really
>was housebroken, because he never asked to go out. Once, at 3:00 in the
>morning, he whined, started doing play bows, running up and down stairs
>etc; I took him out, and of course, he had the runs.
Same here. M&M know their schedule for walkies, so the only times they "ask"
is when they have the runs. Or sometimes if I sleep later than usual on the
week-ends, they'll wake me up to let me know it's past their time.
All that will probably change when all I have to do is open the door and let
them out. I have a feeling they'll start asking just to go play. :}
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But when she was bad, she was HORRID"
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> Same here. M&M know their schedule for walkies, so the only times they
"ask"
> is when they have the runs. Or sometimes if I sleep later than usual on
the
> week-ends, they'll wake me up to let me know it's past their time.
>
> All that will probably change when all I have to do is open the door and
let
> them out. I have a feeling they'll start asking just to go play. :}
Leah - Think about putting in and training them to use a dog door. If they
don't have to wake you up to go potty, you'll have even more energy to take
them to the dog park more often!
--
Jenn S
"...But all my words come back to me in shades of mediocrity, like emptiness
in harmony...." Paul Simon
Barbara
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Nessa
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> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:45:15 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>
>> Hi This is about Bagel, Hannah is doing as well as can be expected.
>>
>> When Bagel is downstairs regardless of whether or not I am with him, he
>> will
>> ask to go out either by barking (and eventually ringing the bell) or just
>> ringing the bell which is what I prefer.
>>
>> However when we are upstairs and I am not available (i.e. in the shower)
>> he
>> will just walk into the hall and pee/poop.
>>
>> What can I do to get him to tell me he has to go out wherever I am and
>> whatever I am doing?
>
> Ok, probably too simple to work, but...put another bell upstairs?
I don't think that will work. He's still not perfect about ringing the bell.
However it's interesting that he will scratch at my son's bedroom door which
is in the EXACT location of the front door. Whenever he does that I will
ask him if he has to go out and down we go. Which is fine if I can hear him
or see him.
>
> Was he raised from a puppy in a multi-level house? Maybe he doesn't
> realize that the second floor is part of the same place, i.e. he
> thinks downstairs is "home", upstairs is somewhere else.
Bagel was rescued at the end of February and he's about 18 months old now. I
think for the two months prior to my gettng him he was in an apartment but my
understanding was that he had not yet been housebroken and was just being
crate trained. No one knows anything about him before that.
>
>> (and I know I have to confine him but I really really really want the dogs
>> with me.)
>
> Well, presumably *not* in the shower :-).
yes but with an 85 pound almost puppy who can open doors, I take what I can
get. LOL Actually Hannah is sleeping with me. Bagel seems to prefer down
in the kitchen with the fan blowing on him. I can accept that as it's
beastly hot.
>
> Lee
Nessa
(in message <20020624112238...@mb-cm.aol.com>):
>
> 2 - if the shower situation is a problem, take him out before you get in the
> shower. If he still eliminates while you're in there, you have other issues
> than housebreaking.
we have other issues then. He had gone out for his long walk before my
shower. He even pooped on this walk. Sometimes I get the impression he
pees to annoy me. He holds it if he's confined downstairs. This morning
was just poop which is odd since usually it's pee sometimes both.
So do I need a doggy shrink??
Nessa
(in message <20020624131920...@mb-ck.aol.com>):
Ok let me tell you about our day. Which BTW is 7 days a week.
We get up around 5 or 5:30 and they both go out for a quick pee and sometimes
Hannah poops.
We come back in and they get breakfast and I get coffee. Since I am in the
kitchen right by the front door we usually get some dancing/barking until I
am ready to go. Then we go for a long walk (anywhere from 20-45 minutes
depending on how my morning is going). I walk them in the same area every
morning. Sometimes Bagel poops sometimes not but we pee like crazy. Hannah
usually poops twice each morning but she's not a big pee-er.
I come back in and get ready for work. Then right before I leave I run them
out to for a quick pee. Bagel will pee on command. Hannah is learnng. This
morning she did not pee and I paid the price by having to clean up her pee
this afternoon when I got home from work. She always pees in the same place
so I put some paper down for her. She doesn't always go just when she can't
hold it.
Anyway they are confined to the kitchen/hall/bathroom area (with a place to
go potty if need be) until I get home from work. If I know I am going to be
longer than usual, I have a dog walker come in and take them out otherwise I
take them out for a quck pee/poop when I get home then they get dinner and
then either another long walk or off to play at the dog park for a couple of
hours.
When we get home, they get a quick pee walk in the park because they are
swiming at the park. Then we are in the house until around 11 or 12 when
they get a long walk if they did not go to the park and a quick pee/poop in
the field if they did. Usually they are so tired they just drag me right
back to the house after they've gone potty.
Now they will hold it till morning. Bagel has the option of coming upstairs
but he prefers to sleep down here. In the morning when he wakes up and has
to go, he barks at the front door. He DOES NOT come up to get me. Hannah
sleeps with me.
Some days he doesn't go upstairs some days he does. It's very confusing.
the ceo
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:22:38 -0400, J1Boss wrote
> (in message <20020624112238...@mb-cm.aol.com>):
>
>
>>2 - if the shower situation is a problem, take him out before you get in the
>>shower. If he still eliminates while you're in there, you have other issues
>>than housebreaking.
>
>
> we have other issues then. He had gone out for his long walk before my
> shower. He even pooped on this walk. Sometimes I get the impression he
> pees to annoy me. He holds it if he's confined downstairs. This morning
> was just poop which is odd since usually it's pee sometimes both.
BWAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!
Barbara
ME???
BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
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tell you where she goes, and you can find her shrinks competition.
BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!!
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cause she's destructive and pisses all over your HOWES
cause you ABUSE her. Jerry.
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yard if given two minutes alone out there... cause leah abuses her dogs.
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Mikey you still love me!!!
Leah
>Leah - Think about putting in and training them to use a dog door. If they
>don't have to wake you up to go potty, you'll have even more energy to take
>them to the dog park more often!
I'm thinking about that for when I work. As long as I'm still with Borders, I
won't be able to make it home at lunch. That means they'll be alone - with
Madigan crated - from 6:30 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. 4 days a week. (That's another
BIG reason why I'm excited about this interview tomorrow - I'll be close enough
to go home at lunch, and my hours and commute will be shorter.)
So I thought maybe a doggie door, so that they can go in and out at will, would
help. I'd be risking a remodeling of my new house by Miss Madigan, but maybe
if she wasn't so bored she wouldn't get so anxious.
It's a possibility there, because the fenced yard is in the back of the house
and is fairly private. It's only in view of a few other houses, and they're
all behind their own fenced yards.**
It all depends on how they behave outside. If they're quiet, I can do it. If
they bark at every little thing, I'm not going to do that to my neighbors.
I'll have to figure something else out.
I *know* they're going to bark at every little thing at first, until they're
familiar and comfortable with their territory.
**I have plans for making this my dream-home, even though it's in one of those
dreaded "neighborhoods." :} I eventually want to privacy-fence the entire
perimeter with tall, thick bushes. And then I want to look into building my
own little Japanese zen garden with waterfalls and goldfish. My brother built
one, and it's gorgeous! I need water near me for serenity. :}
Nessa
(in message <20020625061157...@mb-mn.aol.com>):
>
> So I thought maybe a doggie door, so that they can go in and out at will,
> would
> help. I'd be risking a remodeling of my new house by Miss Madigan, but maybe
> if she wasn't so bored she wouldn't get so anxious.
what about setting it up so she can go outdoors from the crate (i.e. put the
crate up to the doggie door so that she enters the house into the crate)?
I've thought of doing that once my yard is fenced.
J1Boss
>>> we have other issues then. He had gone out for his long walk before my
>>> shower. He even pooped on this walk. Sometimes I get the impression
>>> he
>>> pees to annoy me. He holds it if he's confined downstairs. This morning
>
>>> was just poop which is odd since usually it's pee sometimes both.
I suspected other issues, since I've seen him comply or not, when he wants.
He's a smart and lovely dog as well as perfectly healthy. Have you ever
corrected him for eliminating in the house?
BTW - don't forget our heat policy - it's highly likely it will be in effect
this evening, especially if it's code "red" air quality.
Kind2dogs
>From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
>Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2002 7:10 AM
>Message-id: <20020625071002...@mb-fk.aol.com>
Tell me about this, Janet.
Is this a LAW there?
How is it enforced?
Would you send me the specifics as how it is worded?
Sounds like a good thing.
Oh OT but I have been watching that new HBO series filmed in Baltimore.
Is it really like that in some parts?
Poor pups.
Paulette~
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Kind2dogs
>Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2002 6:11 AM
>Message-id: <20020625061157...@mb-mn.aol.com>
>
>>"Jenn" donte...@shaw.ca wrote:
>>Leah - Think about putting in and training them to use a dog door. If they
>>don't have to wake you up to go potty, you'll have even more energy to
>take
>>them to the dog park more often!
>
>I'm thinking about that for when I work. As long as I'm still with Borders,
>I
>won't be able to make it home at lunch.
I love that place! The only thing missing is internet connections! : )
Right now a coffee house is being done here with pcs at every table. They are
going to make mucho money as here we have so many people from around the world
needing their INTERNET!
I was at the library yesterday and there are I think about 15 pc's hooked up
to the internet, and people are in line waiting for their time on!
What a different world we live in now.
> That means they'll be alone - with
>Madigan crated - from 6:30 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. 4 days a week.
Lots of times Leah, my dogs are alone for that long and they never seem to mind
it at all, in fact I think they enjoy their *alone* time.
Of course they are not crated and I do feel 12 hours is way too long to be in a
crate.
> (That's another
>BIG reason why I'm excited about this interview tomorrow - I'll be close
>enough
>to go home at lunch, and my hours and commute will be shorter.)
Yes I read that you are going to get a job at a shelter. Where is this anyway?
Just remember most people that work in shelters get burnt out within 3 years,
so really try to not get too bummed when something sad happens and think about
all the pups that have happy homes because of you!
The dogs are going to love you!
The reason I ask about where you are right now is we are opening up a new
shelter and need help.
Wanna move back home?
I am sorry about your Mom Leah. It must have been a sad Mother's Day.
I know... I've been there. : (
>So I thought maybe a doggie door, so that they can go in and out at will,
>would
>help. I'd be risking a remodeling of my new house by Miss Madigan, but
>maybe
>if she wasn't so bored she wouldn't get so anxious.
Well congrats on your new home. Gee I guess I have been away for awhile.
>
>It's a possibility there, because the fenced yard is in the back of the
>house
>and is fairly private. It's only in view of a few other houses, and they're
>all behind their own fenced yards.**
Just make sure NOONE can get to your dogs. HAVE IT LOCKED UP!
>
>It all depends on how they behave outside. If they're quiet, I can do it.
> If
>they bark at every little thing, I'm not going to do that to my neighbors.
Actually just do it for now when you are home and gradually work up the hours.
Myself I feel they are better off in the house.
>I'll have to figure something else out.
>
>I *know* they're going to bark at every little thing at first, until they're
>familiar and comfortable with their territory.
Also you have a new pup?
Congrats again.
Now TRY really TRY not to bring another one home for now,or you'll end up like
me!
When people ask my husband how many dogs do you have now,he says" Too Many"
When they ask me I say "Not enough!"
Heehee
>**I have plans for making this my dream-home, even though it's in one of
>those
>dreaded "neighborhoods." :}
Hey it is good to buy a house in and *up and coming almost* ; ) neighbourhood*
I eventually want to privacy-fence the entire
>perimeter with tall, thick bushes. And then I want to look into building
>my
>own little Japanese zen garden with waterfalls and goldfish.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh my husband just built me one this May,in return for him buying
another boat. Now I sleep outside a lot, listening to the fall. I bought a
double lounge and all the pups cuddle up on it and we snore away. (well not
ALL)
Heehee
About the vines,what grows wicked fast is honeysuckle,and bittersweet,and the
birds love it!
>My brother
>built
>one, and it's gorgeous! I need water near me for serenity. :}
I know ,me too!
Take care Leah.
Good luck with your interview.
doG Bless
J1Boss
>Tell me about this, Janet.
>
>Is this a LAW there?
Code red or heat policy? The heat policy is mine. We have no a/c in the
building and work outdoors primarily. I will NOT work dogs and people in heat,
humidity and really bad air quality (with heat indices over 100).
Code red means nobody should be outisde. Code orange is bad for sensitive
people, which I am (asthmatic). Sometimes, I can hold class and do "quiet"
things, but this is an evening class and at the peak problem time.
>Oh OT but I have been watching that new HBO series filmed in Baltimore.
>Is it really like that in some parts?
>Poor pups.
>
>Paulette~
Haven't watched it - things have been busy. Probably pretty true to some
sections and situations though. Poor pups? are there dogs involved? Sorry -
no info on the show!
Kind2dogs
>Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2002 8:36 AM
>Message-id: <20020625083653...@mb-fg.aol.com>
>
>Paulette asks:
>
>>Tell me about this, Janet.
>>
>>Is this a LAW there?
>
>Code red or heat policy? The heat policy is mine. We have no a/c in the
>building and work outdoors primarily. I will NOT work dogs and people in
>heat,
>humidity and really bad air quality (with heat indices over 100).
>
when volunteers want to walk the dogs during peak heat here, 11-3 ,I tell
then,just sit with them and talk to them as they like to lay low during the
day.
So you work with this person and their dog then?
>Code red means nobody should be outisde. Code orange is bad for sensitive
>people, which I am (asthmatic). Sometimes, I can hold class and do "quiet"
>things, but this is an evening class and at the peak problem time.
So hotter there in the evening? Interesting.
>>Oh OT but I have been watching that new HBO series filmed in Baltimore.
>>Is it really like that in some parts?
>>Poor pups.
>>
>>Paulette~
>
>Haven't watched it - things have been busy. Probably pretty true to some
>sections and situations though. Poor pups? are there dogs involved? Sorry
>-
>no info on the show!
Yes, PB's mostly, and their *macho* owners. : (
I only watched one show,as I didn't want to see another Animal Precinct like on
The Animal Channel.
I see enough of such in real life.
Thanks for the info,
Have a good summer
Paulette~
>
>Janet Boss
>Best Friends Dog Obedience
>"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
>Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
>www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Leah
>what about setting it up so she can go outdoors from the crate (i.e. put the
>crate up to the doggie door so that she enters the house into the crate)?
Awesome! Yes, that would work.
Leah
>It limits you somewhat as to door placement: e.g. you wouldn't want
>the doggie door on the south (sunny) side of the house, as the crate
>would get too hot.
It's on the east side of the house, and leads to a good-sized shaded patio.
>Jack should be along shortly to warn you about digging. :-)
>
I had a digger. My eskie was an excavator extraordinaire. :}
So far, I haven't seen any signs of digging from these two. Since they'll have
the cool, shaded cement of the patio to lay on, they may not feel the need to
dig up a spot on the lawn. Maybe I'll get lucky. :}
Leah
>Yes I read that you are going to get a job at a shelter. Where is this
>anyway?
Sanford, FL. It's the SPCA of Central Florida.
>Just remember most people that work in shelters get burnt out within 3 years,
>so really try to not get too bummed when something sad happens and think
>about
>all the pups that have happy homes because of you!
Yes, that will be the hard part... along with *not* taking home 4 new dogs a
week. :}
>The dogs are going to love you!
<g> I hope so. I know I'll love them.
>The reason I ask about where you are right now is we are opening up a new
>shelter and need help.
>
>Wanna move back home?
Aarghhh!!! Why couldn't you have asked me this BEFORE I bought my house???
The answer is YES! :}
Well... except for the fact that I'd never be able to afford a house with a
yard for my girls up there. :}
>I am sorry about your Mom Leah. It must have been a sad Mother's Day.
>I know... I've been there. : (
I did the cowardly thing. I just didn't think about her on Mother's Day. :}
>Lots of times Leah, my dogs are alone for that long and they never seem to
>mind
>it at all, in fact I think they enjoy their *alone* time.
>Of course they are not crated and I do feel 12 hours is way too long to be in
>a
>crate.
Yes, so do I - even though Madigan loves her crate now. And it would be 4 days
a week.
I've *got* to get this shelter job. That's the only way this is going to work
out easily. It's funny - this all happened suddenly when I idly looked up
where the nearest shelter was, and saw that it was 5 miles from my house - AND
no-kill. I wasn't even really thinking about getting another job.
I've never been this psyched for a job interview. :}
Kind2dogs
>Date: Tue, Jun 25, 2002 11:12 AM
>Message-id: <20020625111230...@mb-df.aol.com>
>
>>kind...@aol.com (Kind2dogs) wrote:
>>Yes I read that you are going to get a job at a shelter. Where is this
>>anyway?
>
>Sanford, FL. It's the SPCA of Central Florida.
You've moved,right? I thought ou were out West?
>
>>Just remember most people that work in shelters get burnt out within 3
>years,
>>so really try to not get too bummed when something sad happens and think
>>about
>>all the pups that have happy homes because of you!
>
>Yes, that will be the hard part... along with *not* taking home 4 new dogs
>a
>week. :}
>
>>The dogs are going to love you!
>
><g> I hope so. I know I'll love them.
>
>>The reason I ask about where you are right now is we are opening up a new
>>shelter and need help.
>>
>>Wanna move back home?
>
>Aarghhh!!! Why couldn't you have asked me this BEFORE I bought my house???
Well it has been in the works for awhile and will *officially*open in the new
year. It will be just for Chessies and there are 26 runs.
>The answer is YES! :}
Well if you ever feel the urge to move back give me a WOOF!
>
>Well... except for the fact that I'd never be able to afford a house with
>a
>yard for my girls up there. :}
>
>>I am sorry about your Mom Leah. It must have been a sad Mother's Day.
>>I know... I've been there. : (
>
>I did the cowardly thing. I just didn't think about her on Mother's Day.
>:}
: (
>>Lots of times Leah, my dogs are alone for that long and they never seem
>to
>>mind
>>it at all, in fact I think they enjoy their *alone* time.
>>Of course they are not crated and I do feel 12 hours is way too long to
>be in
>>a
>>crate.
>
>Yes, so do I - even though Madigan loves her crate now. And it would be
>4 days
>a week.
>
>I've *got* to get this shelter job. That's the only way this is going to
>work
>out easily. It's funny - this all happened suddenly when I idly looked
>up
>where the nearest shelter was, and saw that it was 5 miles from my house
>- AND
>no-kill.
Well actually as I have said before I don't believe there are *No Kill
Shelters* what it is is a pick and choose shelter,and pass the problem dogs off
to someone else most times.
I wasn't even really thinking about getting another job.
>
>I've never been this psyched for a job interview. :}
Well we will be sending you all good thoughts
Paulette~
>See My Furry Family At:
>http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/dogs0
>Madigan's Theme:
>"When she was good, she was very, very good
>But when she was bad, she was HORRID"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
MaryBeth
will
> ask to go out either by barking (and eventually ringing the bell) or just
> ringing the bell which is what I prefer.
>
> However when we are upstairs and I am not available (i.e. in the shower)
he
> will just walk into the hall and pee/poop.
All of my dogs can tell me when they want to go.
However I always let them out on a fairly regular schedule of my own.
Nope, I don't have it down by the hour, as I personally don't need that. But
ppl have work or other things during a day, on a regular basis and they may
find it easier to let their dogs go at certain *times*.
If I'm going out for a bit, without them, if I'm taking a shower, nap, or
otherwise going to be 'UNavailable' I will make sure they go out first.
This way it doesn't give them a chance to have any accidents, and it
reinforces their 'housebreaking'. If they are 'stuck' inside for a long
period of time, they still haven't had accidents. Perhaps luck and lots of
reinforcement and praise. :)
Some times I have to go to the city, (Philly), I get caught up there, and
can't be back in the time I had planned. If it's hours later, then I call my
neighbor.
So if they don't have a chance to 'screw up' they never feel like they've
done something wrong. I also have 'corrected' them when they first came to
me, (the latest ones, Zack and Haggie), by watching them. Haggie from the
start has gone to the back door, and will bark or mainly smile at me with
her dimples. <G>
The first day we had Zack, he had started to poop in our hallway, but I
stopped him and took him outside to finish it, praising like crazy. Not a
problem since then.
These are your dogs, you are the one with them as much as you can be. You'll
learn to watch for their signals, as you have, but that's only HALF of the
housetraining.
You'll also learn to plan ahead, if you're going to be indisposed, let them
out first, preempt any 'accidents'.
All of you will be happy. :))
MaryBeth
Leah
>You've moved,right? I thought ou were out West?
Nope. Remember, I live in the same town as Jerry? :}
>Well if you ever feel the urge to move back give me a WOOF!
I did have the urge, big time. But a very wise friend counseled me to stick
around where I had planted roots of support, at least for now.
Oh, that's right - you've been away. You don't even know the country song that
my life has become. :} E-mail me for details - I've already talked about it
all here.
I would have gotten in touch with you in December, if I had been bright enough
to find out how to before I got up there and no longer had access to a
computer. :}
J1Boss
>On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:32:48 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>
>
>>Ok let me tell you about our day. Which BTW is 7 days a week.
>
>You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
Who functions well on THAT?
>This
>>morning she did not pee and I paid the price by having to clean up her pee
>>this afternoon when I got home from work. She always pees in the same
>place
>>so I put some paper down for her. She doesn't always go just when she
>can't
>>hold it.
Confusing her! I'd be crating her and coming home or using a petsitter to do
so, but that's just me.
>I think this is part of Bagel's problem: Hannah. And newspaper.
I agree Jack - every elimination IN the house, allows for more.
>>Anyway they are confined to the kitchen/hall/bathroom area (with a place to
>>go potty if need be) until I get home from work.
Bad idea. Dogs who are eliminating in the house while you ARE home, don't get
so much privilege when you aren't. Again - every time they DO eliminate in the
house, they think it's ok. It's not.
>Here's something you can try. Feed them only in the early evening. At
>the exact same time. What time are you feeding them now?
Actually, I'd feed them something very small in the morning, with the larger
portion of their daily ration in the evening. Hannah's the age when she should
really be getting 3 meals a day.
>>Bagel has the option of coming upstairs
>>but he prefers to sleep down here. In the morning when he wakes up and has
>>to go, he barks at the front door. He DOES NOT come up to get me. Hannah
>>sleeps with me.
I think I'd make him sleep with you, since he really isn't trustworthy. That
way he HAS to interact with you to ask to go out in the morning - a good time,
since most dogs have to go then (Lucy may be an exception!).
>I think Bagel might be the one who is confused. He sees (and smells)
>Hannah going in the house and figures that he can as well. Please tell
>us more about that "place" you've set aside for Hannah to go inside
>"when she can't hold it."
I agree - it's very confusing to allow any dog to be eliminating in the house.
It's hard in a house with cats and dogs, to have dogs have access to the cat
box - some dogs smell that and assume that indoor elimination is ok!
If I am going to be gone longer than a pet can hold it, I'd hire someone to
come in. Period. I've juggled a lot of schedules to make sure even dogs on
pred or such were being given appropriate outdoor relief at the necessary
intervals. It's just what you've gotta do. At least, if you want housebroken
dogs.
The Puppy Wizard
"MaryBeth" <marb...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
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Kind2dogs
>From: dfrnt...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah)
>Message-id: <20020625173032...@mb-dd.aol.com>
>
>>kind...@aol.com (Kind2dogs) wrote:
>>You've moved,right? I thought ou were out West?
>
>Nope. Remember, I live in the same town as Jerry? :}
NO! I don't remember that at all!!!! So you KNOW where he is? WOW!!!!
>
>>Well if you ever feel the urge to move back give me a WOOF!
>
>I did have the urge, big time. But a very wise friend counseled me to stick
>around where I had planted roots of support, at least for now.
>
>Oh, that's right - you've been away. You don't even know the country song
>that
>my life has become. :} E-mail me for details - I've already talked about
>it
>all here.
OK
I will tomorrow as I am off to bed now.
>I would have gotten in touch with you in December, if I had been bright
>enough
>to find out how to before I got up there and no longer had access to a
>computer. :}
Libraries are VERY good for such.
: )
Paulette~
>See My Furry Family At:
>http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/dogs0
>Madigan's Theme:
>"When she was good, she was very, very good
>But when she was bad, she was HORRID"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Nessa
(in message <20020625071002...@mb-fk.aol.com>):
> Have you ever
> corrected him for eliminating in the house?
I've told him "not in the house" and 'OUTSIDE' if I catch him in the middle
of a pee/poop. He used to stop now he just takes his dear sweet time
finishes and then lets me take him outside.
Nessa
(in message <th4hhu0g37eu945f7...@4ax.com>):
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:49:38 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mikey you still love me!!!
>>
>> Nessa
>
> Nessa, you promised to add ninnyboy. :(
>
>
> JM
>
>
> * gently remove the detonator to reply via e-mail ;)
sorry Jack. I have ADHD and I forgot.
Nessa
(in message <mh4hhu0hshka89268...@4ax.com>):
> You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
yes why?
Nessa
(in message <mh4hhu0hshka89268...@4ax.com>):
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:32:48 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>
>
>> Ok let me tell you about our day. Which BTW is 7 days a week.
>
> You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
no some nights I get 4 some nights I get 7. Usually around 5 1/2 and I nap
on the weekends.
>> This
>> morning she did not pee and I paid the price by having to clean up her pee
>> this afternoon when I got home from work. She always pees in the same
>> place
>> so I put some paper down for her. She doesn't always go just when she
>> can't
>> hold it.
>
> I think this is part of Bagel's problem: Hannah. And newspaper.
Ok I am confused now. Bagel's favorite place to go in the house is upstairs
in the hall. Hannah's newspaper is in the bathroom downstairs and Bagel
NEVER goes there.
>
>> Anyway they are confined to the kitchen/hall/bathroom area (with a place
>> to
>> go potty if need be) until I get home from work.
>
> I don't understand this. You have a place for them to go inside? With
> newspaper down? With water available?
There is a place in the house where they are confined when I am not home. It
is the kitchen and the hall and there is a small bathroom that they can get
into.
I sometimes remember to put paper down but if she goes there, I clean it up
and spray Nature's Miracle on the floor.
I leave water for my dogs because it is so hot this time of year.
>
>> If I know I am going to be
>> longer than usual, I have a dog walker come in and take them out
>
> Why? I thought you said you provided them with a place to go inside?
the place to go inside is for EMERGENCIES. For example today we had HORRIBLE
traffic and I was a smidge late getting home. Had I been much later I am
sure that Hannah would have burst. So the paper is there for emergencies
since it's in the place she prefers to go and it just makes it easier to
clean up. She will go in the exact same spot whether there is paper down or
not.
If I KNOW in ADVANCE that I am going to be longer than normal, then I have
the dog walker come in.
.
>
> Here's something you can try. Feed them only in the early evening. At
> the exact same time. What time are you feeding them now?
they get fed in the morning and again in the evening and I try to feed them
at the same time each day.
>> Now they will hold it till morning.
>
> They never make a mistake at night? Never?
we haven't had a night time mistake in a long time. In fact, I can't recall
the last time they had a night time accident. Hannah never has. I am sure
that tonight now will be a big pee/poop night.
If I am in Bed and Bagel has to go he will bark at the door until I get up
and take him out and usually he will poop right away and then come right back
in the house.
>> Bagel has the option of coming upstairs
>> but he prefers to sleep down here. In the morning when he wakes up and
>> has
>> to go, he barks at the front door. He DOES NOT come up to get me.
>> Hannah
>> sleeps with me.
>
> What time does he wake up and bark? What do you do when he barks? If
anywhere between 4:30 and 6:00 usually. My alarm goes off at 5 a.m. during
the week.
> you get up at 5-5:30 every morning, and go to bed at 12:00 or after,
> that means you only get about 5 hours sleep per night? Is that right?
I sometimes go to bed earlier but most nights not before 11 p.m. I don't
need much sleep.
>
> I think Bagel might be the one who is confused. He sees (and smells)
> Hannah going in the house and figures that he can as well. Please tell
> us more about that "place" you've set aside for Hannah to go inside
> "when she can't hold it."
Hannah has a spot by the front door where she can go if I don't get home on
time and it was unplanned. after all she is still very young. she's not
even 4 months old yet.
she never goes where he does. I could understand it if he went where she
goes but he doesn't. It's not even on the same floor of the house.
Nessa
(in message <3d189c2d$1...@news.teranews.com>):
>
> "Nessa" <use...@nessa.info> wrote in message
>> When Bagel is downstairs regardless of whether or not I am with him, he
> will
>> ask to go out either by barking (and eventually ringing the bell) or just
>> ringing the bell which is what I prefer.
>>
>> However when we are upstairs and I am not available (i.e. in the shower)
> he
>> will just walk into the hall and pee/poop.
>
> All of my dogs can tell me when they want to go.
Bagel can tell me. He seems to prefer not to tell me when he's mad at more
for dong something like taking a shower.
> However I always let them out on a fairly regular schedule of my own.
so do I that's what's so dang frustrating. I take them out on schedule and
then if they ask I will take them out but only for a minute or two. Right
now only Bagel asks but we always take Hannah too. If he asks, (and he has
to ring the bell if I am down in the kitchen like I usually am (the computer
is in the kitchen) I will take him out and he always pees A LOT and sometimes
he will poop but that usually takes a couple of tries.
>
> If I'm going out for a bit, without them, if I'm taking a shower, nap, or
> otherwise going to be 'UNavailable' I will make sure they go out first.
so do I. In fact, the only time Bagel does this is if I have taken him out
and then I go upstairs to get ready for work and don't confine him
downstairs. He's already had his quickie walk AND his LONG morning walk.
> This way it doesn't give them a chance to have any accidents, and it
I don't think these are 'accidents'. I know he has gone less than an hour or
hour and a half before he does this.
>
> These are your dogs, you are the one with them as much as you can be. You'll
> learn to watch for their signals, as you have, but that's only HALF of the
> housetraining.
I can't watch signals when I am in the shower or otherwise indisposed in the
bathroom.
> You'll also learn to plan ahead, if you're going to be indisposed, let them
> out first, preempt any 'accidents'.
I do that.
Nessa
(in message <20020625085442...@mb-mu.aol.com>):
> So you work with this person and their dog then?
Janet teaches the basic obedience class that Bagel is taking and also is the
teacher at Hannah's Puppy kindergarten.
Her class policy is that if it's over 90 degrees at class time, class is
cancelled. Today at 6 pm it was 93 degrees. And HUMID
Nessa
(in message <20020625185539...@mb-bj.aol.com>):
>> From: Jack Morrison
>
>> On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:32:48 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Ok let me tell you about our day. Which BTW is 7 days a week.
>>
>> You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
>
> Who functions well on THAT?
I do. Not perfectly but well enough.
>
>
> Confusing her! I'd be crating her and coming home or using a petsitter to do
> so, but that's just me.
Crating did not work since Bagel was destructive when he was crated during
the day after I let him out. Once I gave him more room he stopped being so
destructive. Also he does not mess in the area where he is confined during
the times I am not home.
Now you guys have me confused. Hannah is not the one with the problem. She
can hold it just fine. However if I am delayed due to traffic or whatnot and
the dog walker did not come, then she will go in the bathroom (haven't taught
her to get on the toilet yet). the paper is there just in case. Most days
it's not used. If it does get used. I clean it up wash the floor and spray
the entire bathroom with nature's miracle.
> - every elimination IN the house, allows for more.
yes I understand this and that's why I am so upset.
>
>>> Anyway they are confined to the kitchen/hall/bathroom area (with a place
>>> to
>>> go potty if need be) until I get home from work.
>
> Bad idea. Dogs who are eliminating in the house while you ARE home, don't
> get
> so much privilege when you aren't. Again - every time they DO eliminate in
> the
> house, they think it's ok. It's not.
I don't disagree with this.
>
>> Here's something you can try. Feed them only in the early evening. At
>> the exact same time. What time are you feeding them now?
>
> Actually, I'd feed them something very small in the morning, with the larger
> portion of their daily ration in the evening. Hannah's the age when she
> should
> really be getting 3 meals a day.
I know and they do get a smaller amount in the morning. then they get the
larger amount in the evening. Hannah should be getting 3 meals a day but
it's a bit hard to get that third full meal in. I wish I had enough mornng
to have the dog walker come in every day. I wish worked closer to home.
>
>>> Bagel has the option of coming upstairs
>>> but he prefers to sleep down here. In the morning when he wakes up and
>>> has
>>> to go, he barks at the front door. He DOES NOT come up to get me.
>>> Hannah
>>> sleeps with me.
>
> I think I'd make him sleep with you, since he really isn't trustworthy. That
> way he HAS to interact with you to ask to go out in the morning - a good
> time,
> since most dogs have to go then (Lucy may be an exception!).
oh but HE DOES ask me to take him out in the morning. that is not the
problem time. the problem time is when I am in the shower and he doesn't
want me to be inaccessable to him. that is AFTER he has been out TWICE that
morning.
>
>> I think Bagel might be the one who is confused. He sees (and smells)
>> Hannah going in the house and figures that he can as well. Please tell
>> us more about that "place" you've set aside for Hannah to go inside
>> "when she can't hold it."
>
> I agree - it's very confusing to allow any dog to be eliminating in the
> house.
> It's hard in a house with cats and dogs, to have dogs have access to the cat
> box - some dogs smell that and assume that indoor elimination is ok!
but wouldn't Bagel go in the same place Hannah goes.
>
> If I am going to be gone longer than a pet can hold it, I'd hire someone to
> come in. Period. I've juggled a lot of schedules to make sure even dogs on
> pred or such were being given appropriate outdoor relief at the necessary
> intervals. It's just what you've gotta do. At least, if you want
> housebroken
> dogs.
and I do that. this is not a question of Bagel not being able to hold it.
That's the part that drives me nuts.
I really can't afford a dog behaviorist that's why I am asking here.
>
>
> Janet Boss
> Best Friends Dog Obedience
> "Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
> Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
> www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>
Nessa
BethF
"The Puppy Wizard" <IfYouK...@FullMoonHowl.net> wrote in message
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> Your dogs eat poo outta each other's butts so you won't steal it from
them.
guys, forgive the response to jerry but what does this one refer to? its so
funny i almost peed myself laughing at it.
Nessa
(in message <uhipe2f...@corp.supernews.com>):
MY housebreaking problems. I wish it were true we wouldn 't have the
problems we are having.
J1Boss
>but wouldn't Bagel go in the same place Hannah goes.
Not necessarily. Smell is smell.
>and I do that. this is not a question of Bagel not being able to hold it.
>That's the part that drives me nuts.
>
>I really can't afford a dog behaviorist that's why I am asking here.
Nessa - for the next week, I want you to keep a very detailed diary for me.
Every pee, every poop, every walk, every "accident" - every little detail of
your schedule as it relates to the dogs. Time frames, food, treats, water -
everything. I've asked several students to do this and I've always come up
with a solution and identify where they've been going wrong.
I promise we will fix this.
I think everyone was very glad to not have class in that muck last night! I
needed to be home with Franklin anyway, so it worked out well.
Dimpled Chad
>> You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
>
> yes why?
Hi Nessa,
That's not much! Most folk I know need much more...
=)
Chad
--
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The Puppy Wizard
eatin poo...
Your HOWESbreaking problems are what you've been training for. ENJOY!~
There's LOTS MOORE to come. Ask leah and liea and marie an sally and melinda
and just think, maybe one day your dogs will be so well behaved they'll lay
around jerking off on the couch pillows like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S dogs.
I'll still help you if you'd LIKE, messa... but you got to tell janet to SIT
ON IT AND ROTATE.
Later. Hey? I said that before, didn't I? I think I said, you'll pay me now
or you'll pay me later...BWWWAHAHAAA!!!
PAY! Or tell janet to SIT ON IT!
"Nessa" <use...@nessa.info> wrote in message
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The Puppy Wizard
pooin on the floor, that's HOWE COME they EAT it, and then she gets after
them for eating it off the floor... figure it out. The dogs did.
BWWAHAHAHAAA!!!
"BethF" <da...@alaskaDRINKME.com> wrote in message
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Sionnach
"J1Boss" wrote:
> I think everyone was very glad to not have class in that muck last night!
The paper this morning promises rain this afternoon, and temps in the 70s
tonight- I sure hope it's right! The last couple of days have been brutal-
I didn't take out my client dogs the last two days, as they live in A/C, and
I thought the heat would be too much for the Labs. I have taken out my own
guys, but stayed in the park proper and near the water.
The older two pace themselves, but the baby butthead nearly gave herself
heat stroke Monday evening, She hadn't had a run since Thursday (we drove to
NJ on Friday for the JAG trial), and the moment I unleashed her tore off at
top speed to hunt. I think she'd have kept running till she keeled over; I
had to leash her and *make* her rest twice.
Once the hunt was interrupted, she did at least have the sense to hop in
the water and swim around till she cooled off.... and during agility class
last night, she not only hopped in the the cool-off pool of her own
voilition, but lay down and rolled, then stretched out flat with her hind
legs straight back, and *swam* in four inches of water. <G>
Getting back to the subject of the thread- I've lost track of who said
what, but wanted to say that I agree with the person who said that perhaps
Bagel is conditioned/triggered by prior experience to go where he does.
IIRC, from what Nessa's told me, the only place in the house he goes is on
the hardwood floor of the hall... I can't help wondering if at some point in
his life he was confined in a situation where he *had* to go on hardwood.
Why *showering* triggers him is anybody's guess, since his history is
unknown.
I know that part of the reason Rocsi took so long to be completely
housebroken was her former owner's use of pee pads, which taught her that it
was ok to pee on fuzzy surfaces in the house- her accidents, 98% of the
time, were downstairs in the two rooms that have carpet, or on scatter rugs.
The other 2% were when she was very tiny, and I didn't get her outside fast
enough.
Sionnach
"Lee DeRaud" wrote:
>
> >Her class policy is that if it's over 90 degrees at class time, class is
> >cancelled. Today at 6 pm it was 93 degrees. And HUMID
>
Er, and what does Orlando have to do with Baltimore (where Nessa, Janet,
and I live)?
BTW it's 10:30 A.M. and already 88 degrees today- that's in Towson, which
is just outside the city and usually a few degrees cooler. At work yesterday
(work is in the city), the thermometer- which is INSIDE, out of the sun-
read 101 at three p.m..
Suja
J1Boss wrote:
> >You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
>
> Who functions well on THAT?
>
I don't know about the 'well' part, but I think that I average about
that. On weekdays, it varies between 3-5 hrs/night, but on the
weekends, I sleep in a bit and get about 8 hours.
Suja
BethF
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 2:56:51 -0400, BethF wrote
> (in message <uhipe2f...@corp.supernews.com>):
>
> >
> > "The Puppy Wizard" <IfYouK...@FullMoonHowl.net> wrote in message
> > news:A58S8.3115$Ji6.2...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com...
> >> Your dogs eat poo outta each other's butts so you won't steal it from
> > them.
> >
> >
> >
> > guys, forgive the response to jerry but what does this one refer to?
its so
> > funny i almost peed myself laughing at it.
> >
> >
>
> MY housebreaking problems. I wish it were true we wouldn 't have the
> problems we are having.
>
Nessa, are you stealing you dogs poo again?
ROFL
Leah
>Oh, crap...sorry: I got confused about who lives where. Didn't
>somebody in this subthread say they lived near JerryBarb's operation?
That would be me. :}
The Puppy Wizard
"don't believe Jerry Howe" posts to new posters here, as you'll find from
cindy moore and ed w of petloss dot CON tellin folks to read koehler and
talking smegma, pedophilia and nambla, tellin folks Jerry and his students
and DDR customers are liars.
I've got a few surprises yet... stick around, People. Jerry.
"BethF" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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Jenn
news:gjuhhuoiq77feau3t...@4ax.com...
> >
> >Actually, I'd feed them something very small in the morning, with the
larger
> >portion of their daily ration in the evening. Hannah's the age when she
should
> >really be getting 3 meals a day.
>
> I haven't paid much attention to Hannah's age. How old is she? If
> she's over one year old she can get by on one meal a day. At least
> until Nessa gets her input/output regulated.
I'm only answering because (according to my newsreader) no one has answered
yet.
I'm not sure of Hannah's exact age, but I do know that she is a young pup.
Definately under 6 months of age. She should still be eating 3 x a day.
Jenn S
Sionnach
"Lee DeRaud" wrote:
>
> Oh, crap...sorry: I got confused about who lives where.
Ah! Of course. The heat's getting to me. <G>
> Didn't
> somebody in this subthread say they lived near JerryBarb's operation?
Yep. As you now know, that's Leah.
>
> FWIW, I also used to live in Fairfax, VA...not terribly fond of *that*
> climate either, but at least there were no 'ex' issues. :-)
;-D It's hotter today, btw- hit 101, according to the weather report I
heard. It's actually more comfortable today though, as there's a bit of
cloud cover and a breeze. Promised rain is a no-show, so far.
Melinda Shore
Sionnach <rhyf...@msn.com> wrote:
> ;-D It's hotter today, btw- hit 101, according to the weather report I
>heard. It's actually more comfortable today though, as there's a bit of
>cloud cover and a breeze. Promised rain is a no-show, so far.
We're all looking forward to late July, aren't we?
Temperatures up here have been awful, too, and I've got the
flattest Siberian Huskies I've ever seen. I've been trying
to record the sound of 4 dogs chewing ice, but so far the
recordings have been dominated by the sound of ice cubes
hitting the floor when the dogs drop them.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
J1Boss
> ;-D It's hotter today, btw- hit 101, according to the weather report I
>heard. It's actually more comfortable today though, as there's a bit of
>cloud cover and a breeze. Promised rain is a no-show, so far.
I thought today was better as well, although not temp wise according to the
weather! We got about 2 drops here in EC. Franklin has to be taken out on
leash only for the next 2 weeks, so I'm more aware of weather than usual!
Nessa
(in message <Xns923944B6FC87Aca...@128.135.12.171>):
> On 25 Jun 2002, Nessa opined:
>
>>> You get 5 hours sleep, seven nights a week?
>>
>> yes why?
>
> Hi Nessa,
>
> That's not much! Most folk I know need much more...
> =)
> Chad
>
>
well to be honest I think I must need more than 4 3/4 because I fell asleep
at my desk today and I was snoring... oh the shame....
Nessa
(in message <LknS8.74298$Lf2.6...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>):
>
> I'm not sure of Hannah's exact age, but I do know that she is a young pup.
> Definately under 6 months of age. She should still be eating 3 x a day.
Hannah is 15 weeks old today. she weighs 24 pounds, just got her last shot,
had her nails cut and was approved to eat twice a day.
Bagel weighs in at 85 pounds so far.
Nessa
(in message <20020626180639...@mb-bk.aol.com>):
>> From: "Sionnach" rhyf...@msn.com
>
>> ;-D It's hotter today, btw- hit 101, according to the weather report I
>> heard. It's actually more comfortable today though, as there's a bit of
>> cloud cover and a breeze. Promised rain is a no-show, so far.
>
> I thought today was better as well, although not temp wise according to the
> weather! We got about 2 drops here in EC. Franklin has to be taken out on
> leash only for the next 2 weeks, so I'm more aware of weather than usual!
yes it seems nicer here too. but no rain.
why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
Dimpled Chad
> well to be honest I think I must need more than 4 3/4 because I fell
> asleep at my desk today and I was snoring... oh the shame....
*snort* Yes, I would suggest more sleep. You'll find your days to be far
more blissful, too!
-Chad
BethF
"Melinda Shore" <sh...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:afddrk$b69$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> We're all looking forward to late July, aren't we?
> Temperatures up here have been awful, too, and I've got the
> flattest Siberian Huskies I've ever seen. I've been trying
> to record the sound of 4 dogs chewing ice, but so far the
> recordings have been dominated by the sound of ice cubes
> hitting the floor when the dogs drop them.
I won't brag about our glorious temperatures.
Nessa
(in message <7ookhuo5jdoc6d0uu...@4ax.com>):
> On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:15:09 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:02:19 -0400, Jenn wrote
>> (in message <LknS8.74298$Lf2.6...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>):
>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of Hannah's exact age, but I do know that she is a young pup.
>>> Definately under 6 months of age. She should still be eating 3 x a day.
>>
>> Hannah is 15 weeks old today. she weighs 24 pounds, just got her last
>> shot,
>> had her nails cut and was approved to eat twice a day.
>
> Look, here's the main reason it's recommended that some puppies eat
> multiple meals: because their tummies are sometimes too small to hold
> one day's ration at one sitting. So the idea is to experiment a little
> bit and see if she can, or come close to it (so that you can at least
> feed her less in the morning, like Janet recommended). If you're
> feeding your pup a high-quality puppy feed, which almost always is
> about half the bulk and concentration of the cheapo brands, even your
> pup can probably get by on one meal a day (or one big one and a small
> one). I don't know what breed Hannah is, but she sounds like she's at
> least a medium-size breed if she's already 24 pounds. It's the
Hannah's vet wants her fed twice a day and Bagel too. They get about 1/3 of
the ration in the morning and 2/3 at night plus most of their treats
(training treats mostly) are at night.
She's going to be considered large at 70 pounds. she's mostly lab after all.
> smaller and toy breed puppies who usually have tummies too small to
> consume a daily ration in one sitting (especially of the cheapo
> brands). Try it and see. What's the worse thing that can happen? She
> won't be able to eat it. That's it. When you get home, put 2/3rds of a
> day's ration in her bowl and see if she can eat it all. She should be
> hungrier than usual. And if she can eat it all, her tummy is big
> enough. I bet it is.
>
>> Bagel weighs in at 85 pounds so far.
>
> Bagel only needs one meal a day, And going to one meal a day will
> help help Bagel's housebreaking, too.
>
> JM
>
>
> * gently remove the detonator to reply via e-mail ;)
why would feeding Bagel at night help his peeing/pooping problem upstairs.
For example.. he peed upstairs last night right after I turned out the
lights to go to sleep.
Rocky
> yes it seems nicer here too. but no rain.
31 deg (at least) here. All of the windows are open and the
fans are humming. Summer's finally come around, but the days
are already getting shorter.
> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
I think that Franklin's been naughty.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Nessa
(in message <iiskhug4g5mj2d76o...@4ax.com>):
> One meal in, one meal out. There won't be
> any poop left in him to "hold" during the day.
you are talking about a dog that can poop 6 times in one day. there is no
regularity to his pooping. there is no pattern. I see no correlation
between when he eats and when he poops.
Melinda Shore
>I won't brag about our glorious temperatures.
That would be unkind.
To help cool off I just rewatched "Iron Will." What a piece
of schlock, but what great, great sledding scenes.
Dimpled Chad
>>Okay, a few last questions. What kind of food are you feeding him?
>>And how many treats do you give him each day, and when do you give
>>them to him?
>
> And what kind of treats?
>
Can I add a few more questions, probably already given...
What is their walk/poop schedule, and is it routine (i.e. every day
approximately the same)...
Just curious, and, not being knowledgable enough to help, wanted to see if
these questions might round out Jack's points....
Best,
Chad
(Frankie eats twice a day, with a rare kong at night, and poops just once,
during his noon walk...Routine goes a long way for him...)
The Puppy Wizard
NEVER have another problem with your dogs...
like ALL of Jerry's 100% successful students.
"Nessa" <use...@nessa.info> wrote in message
news:01HW.B93FF2700...@NEWS.MD.COMCAST.GIGANEWS.COM...
The Puppy Wizard
shittin and pissin all over her HOWES, just like leah's Madigan. In a few
months Nessa's dog will turn on her... give it three months, and then she's
DEAD MEAT. j;~)
"Jack Morrison" <oldcr...@lycosthedetonator.com> wrote in message
news:iiskhug4g5mj2d76o...@4ax.com...
> It won't help the peeing, because you keep allowing him to pee all
> over your house. It *should* help the pooping, because you're there
> all evening (taking him for walks, etc.), and all night (you say he
> never makes mistakes overnight), and are there again in the morning to
> take him outside for more walks, etc. By then, all the poop inside
> him should be long gone. One meal in, one meal out. There won't be
> any poop left in him to "hold" during the day.
>
> Anyway, these are my last comments on your housebreaking problems. But
> if you're not prepared to take some chances, and to change your own
> behavior, your housebreaking problems are probably going to continue.
> And once they've reached critical mass, you'll essentially be stuck
> with them. You could hire 25 behaviorists and it wouldn't make any
> difference, Nessa, because until you see yourself as part of the
> problem, the problem will remain. Anyway, you're in good hands with
> Janet, and you see her regularly for classes. So good luck!
The Other Harry
wrote:]
> When Bagel is downstairs regardless of whether or not I am with him, he will
> ask to go out either by barking (and eventually ringing the bell) or just
> ringing the bell which is what I prefer.
>
> However when we are upstairs and I am not available (i.e. in the shower) he
> will just walk into the hall and pee/poop.
In my situation, I think the problems I experienced in that
department were related to allowing my new-to-me dog to have too
much access to all of the the house too quickly.
He quickly related to some areas as being "his" territory, and he
didn't pee/poop in those areas. Other areas (basement), he seemed
decide were the equivalent of being outside.
The solution, therefore, was to reduce the effective size of the
house until he could gradually relate to all of it as being his.
Close off rooms, etc.
I also think Janet Boss makes an excellent point about the
possibility that the problem might be more related to something
other than housebreaking per se. You being in the shower,
abandonment, etc.
Not sure. I am sure that JB knows a lot more about all this than I
do,
Harry
BethF
> In article <uhkp4kg...@corp.supernews.com>, BethF <da...@alaska.com>
wrote:
> >I won't brag about our glorious temperatures.
>
> That would be unkind.
>
> To help cool off I just rewatched "Iron Will." What a piece
> of schlock, but what great, great sledding scenes.
I would call it drek, not schlock but yes, a fun one to watch
Nessa
(in message <6mukhusj5966kq1a6...@4ax.com>):
> Okay, a few last questions. What kind of food are you feeding him?
> And how many treats do you give him each day, and when do you give
> them to him?
He is fed Nutro Natural Choice for Large Breed Dogs Mixed with a small amount
of the correlating puppy formula. he's still growing and has gained amost 20
pounds since the end of February when got him.
He gets a treat before I leave for work. Usually a nutrionally balanced (as
the box says) large size dog biscuit or a kong with some kibble and a few
other treats.
Then he gets treats at night while we are at the park. he gets those for
executing proper commands. Normally that is a bit of premium treat such as
ground up hot dog or cheese. He gets a smidge of it on a finger tip.
BTW. He pooped last night before bed and this morning he had to poop before
breakfast.
Nessa
(in message <Xns9239DDFFD2C98ca...@128.135.12.171>):
> Can I add a few more questions, probably already given...
> What is their walk/poop schedule, and is it routine (i.e. every day
> approximately the same)...
> Just curious, and, not being knowledgable enough to help, wanted to see if
> these questions might round out Jack's points....
>
> Best,
> Chad
> (Frankie eats twice a day, with a rare kong at night, and poops just once,
> during his noon walk...Routine goes a long way for him...)
ah a bizzare dog for a bizzare woman.
our routine is pretty set in terms of opening morning and ending bedtime.
up around 5 a.m.
quick walk just pee for bagel usually
breakfast around 5:30
long walk around 6:30 anywhere from 0-3 poops for bagel.
confined in the house until I get home from work.
quick pee
dinner
either a long walk or a trip to the park. At the park he usually poops a
minimum of two times.
bedtime walk around 10 pm sometimes he poops sometimes not
sometimes another quickie around 12 if he asks. if he asks it's cause he has
to poop.
I wish we had a routine. I am sure Janet will tell me how to tough this out.
J1Boss
>Nessa wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>> why does Franklin have to be on a leash?
>
>I think that Franklin's been naughty.
>
>--
>--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
and apparently pretty sneaky too - can't figure this one out still!
FYI - He ingested a mystery sock. Hadn't done that in well over a year. When
he was a puppy we were very lucky - they went through or came up. We've done
"sock work" with him leaving them alone, but mostly are pretty conscientious
about not making them available. The risk is obviously too high. One of his
littermates beat him to the punch with the same surgery, and his great
grandfather had this habit until he died at age 12.
My MIL was visiting (sockless!) and since he wasn't with me every waking moment
as usual as a result, I can only imagine that the sock presented itself somehow
while she was with him.
He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency surgery on Monday, but was home
by Tuesday - we lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that they didn't
need to cut the bowel. Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate the
sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so the leash is very necessary!
He's got about a foot of staples on his tummy, and this was a very expensive
sock!
J1Boss
>>> Hannah is 15 weeks old today. she weighs 24 pounds,
>She's going to be considered large at 70 pounds. she's mostly lab after all.
She's not going to be 70# unless it's fat! The ESTIMATE for a 4 month old, 24
# pupy is 48# (roughly double their 4 month old weight).
My golden - 40# at 4 months, was a 72-74# lean (healthy!) dog.
Franklin is 60#. He was about 30# at 4 months.
Kind2dogs
>From: Nessa use...@nessa.info
>Date: Wed, Jun 26, 2002 9:42 PM
>Message-id: <01HW.B93FE5DF0...@NEWS.MD.COMCAST.GIGANEWS.COM>
>
>On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:03:53 -0400, Jack Morrison wrote
>(in message <7ookhuo5jdoc6d0uu...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:15:09 GMT, Nessa <use...@nessa.info> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:02:19 -0400, Jenn wrote
>>> (in message <LknS8.74298$Lf2.6...@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>):
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure of Hannah's exact age, but I do know that she is a young
>pup.
>>>> Definately under 6 months of age. She should still be eating 3 x a day.
>>>
>>> Hannah is 15 weeks old today. she weighs 24 pounds, just got her last
>
>>> shot,
>>> had her nails cut and was approved to eat twice a day.
>>
Approved???
>> Look, here's the main reason it's recommended that some puppies eat
>> multiple meals: because their tummies are sometimes too small to hold
>> one day's ration at one sitting. So the idea is to experiment a little
>> bit and see if she can, or come close to it (so that you can at least
>> feed her less in the morning, like Janet recommended). If you're
>> feeding your pup a high-quality puppy feed, which almost always is
>> about half the bulk and concentration of the cheapo brands, even your
>> pup can probably get by on one meal a day (or one big one and a small
>> one). I don't know what breed Hannah is, but she sounds like she's at
>> least a medium-size breed if she's already 24 pounds. It's the
>
>Hannah's vet wants her fed twice a day and Bagel too.
OK and that is fine ,heck I feed my dogs three times a day! But you are having
a housebreaking problem, and Jack's recommendations are correct.
> They get about 1/3
>of
>the ration in the morning and 2/3 at night plus most of their treats
>(training treats mostly) are at night.
Why 1/3 instead of half?
How old is Bagel? And is the name indicative of his *roundness*? Perhaps one
meal a day would be the way to go? ; )
>
>She's going to be considered large at 70 pounds. she's mostly lab after
>all.
>
Labs are munchaholics. Heehee
>
>> smaller and toy breed puppies who usually have tummies too small to
>> consume a daily ration in one sitting (especially of the cheapo
>> brands). Try it and see. What's the worse thing that can happen? She
>> won't be able to eat it. That's it. When you get home, put 2/3rds of a
>> day's ration in her bowl and see if she can eat it all. She should be
>> hungrier than usual. And if she can eat it all, her tummy is big
>> enough. I bet it is.
>>
>>> Bagel weighs in at 85 pounds so far.
So what kind of dog is he?
>> Bagel only needs one meal a day, And going to one meal a day will
>> help help Bagel's housebreaking, too.
>>
>> JM
So you have an 85 dog that is not housebroken???
ACK!
>>
>> * gently remove the detonator to reply via e-mail ;)
>
>why would feeding Bagel at night help his peeing/pooping problem upstairs.
>
>For example.. he peed upstairs last night right after I turned out the
>
>lights to go to sleep.
>
>Nessa
Is Bagel neutered? He is showing signs of *marking* as Hannah is a female and
*his*. Also even though you have cleaned it up unless you use some vinegar and
water he is still going to smell the place he last peed.
Are you planning on getting Hannah spayed?
I have quite a few dogs and none are spayed or neutered, and none mark in the
house.
Even right now I have two in heat, and there is no problemo.
Of course I take the big guy out in the morning for a LONG swim and run so he
is a mucho tired out to think that much about sex,and I watch everyone like a
HAWK.
If I see him wanting to make a statement *inside* or outside in a non
negotiable place,well I go *what are you doing?" and he stops in mid air!
Now Hannah is still such a baby and babies make mistakes. Heck perhaps Bagel
is a baby as well, and even though a big baby he is allowed a few mistakes too!
I don't know what your day routine is, but if there is a housebreaking issue,
and it is not medical, then they are not being taken out enough, you have not
been on top of their needs, and also they have not been taken out the right way
to do their business.
I have it so my dogs go on command as we do a lot of road traveling.
Just this past weekend I had five of them with us at a show, and I don't want
someone relieving themselves in a booth, huh?
So they go BEFORE and AFTER and if I see them acting like they need to go, off
we skadaddle,me with a bag just in case. ; )
As no dog is perfect...
And who would want such???
Paulette
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Kind2dogs
>Message-id: <01HW.B94055700...@NEWS.MD.COMCAST.GIGANEWS.COM>
>
>On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:48:23 -0400, Dimpled Chad wrote
>(in message <Xns9239DDFFD2C98ca...@128.135.12.171>):
>
>> Can I add a few more questions, probably already given...
>> What is their walk/poop schedule, and is it routine (i.e. every day
>> approximately the same)...
>> Just curious, and, not being knowledgable enough to help, wanted to see
>if
>> these questions might round out Jack's points....
>>
>> Best,
>> Chad
>> (Frankie eats twice a day, with a rare kong at night, and poops just once,
>
>> during his noon walk...Routine goes a long way for him...)
>
>ah a bizzare dog for a bizzare woman.
>
>our routine is pretty set in terms of opening morning and ending bedtime.
>
>up around 5 a.m.
>quick walk just pee for bagel usually
>breakfast around 5:30
>long walk around 6:30 anywhere from 0-3 poops for bagel.
What is he eating?
Three poops are too many!
>confined in the house until I get home from work.
>quick pee
>dinner
>either a long walk or a trip to the park. At the park he usually poops
>a
>minimum of two times.
>bedtime walk around 10 pm sometimes he poops sometimes not
>sometimes another quickie around 12 if he asks. if he asks it's cause he
>has
>to poop.
OK you must be feeding him somethings that he shouldn't be eating? Do you give
him rawhide chewies? Pig ears? Why not start feeding him baby carrots as
treat?
I do hope Bagel is not overweight. There is nothing worse than an overweight
dog, well OK yes, and overweight person is stretch pants!!!
; )
>I wish we had a routine. I am sure Janet will tell me how to tough this
>out.
>
>
>Nessa
There is nothing wrong in your routine,as everyone should have their*own*.and
the dogs adapt very well to such.
I do think though that there is a food problemo at your home.
Paulette~
>I don't have issues
>I have subscriptions
>www.nessa.info
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Kind2dogs
>Message-id: <01HW.B93FF2700...@NEWS.MD.COMCAST.GIGANEWS.COM>
OK well I guess I am done with this as well, if you can say such.
Good luck and Janet,good luck to you as well,as you have your hands full!
Woof
Paulette~
Kind2dogs
>Message-id: <01HW.B93FD0FD0...@NEWS.MD.COMCAST.GIGANEWS.COM>
Why is it that you only get that short amount of sleep?
What time to you have to be at work?
What time do you get home from work?
What do you have to take care of when you get home,besides the dogs and eating?
Paulette
Kind2dogs
>Date: Wed, Jun 26, 2002 8:37 PM
>Message-id: <Xns9239C7D0C2C19ca...@128.135.12.171>
Good Morning~
Well my days start early as well. Up by 4:30 5 ISH, let the babies out, start
the coffee,wash up, load up all the pups in the truck and off to the beach to
hang out till sunrise.
Then home,give my hubby his coffee in bed, start breakfast for everyone,feed
all,do my daily chores,then off to the post office and bank and market.
Then the rest of the day I deal with doggie problems and do a bit of work to
make some money.
Of course I make lunch for all here, then now that summer is here we eat later
on in the evening,but before that we all go swimming,then eat (about 7) and I
am in bed by 9ISH ,unless we have company which in that case I don't get to
bed at the earliest midnight!,so I sleep a little ater the next morning.
Oh yes, did I mention naps??? I love short naps!!
Paulette~
J1Boss
>OK you must be feeding him somethings that he shouldn't be eating? Do you
>give
>him rawhide chewies? Pig ears? Why not start feeding him baby carrots as
>treat?
>
>I do hope Bagel is not overweight. There is nothing worse than an overweight
>dog, well OK yes, and overweight person is stretch pants!!!
>
>; )
>I do think though that there is a food problemo at your home.
>
>Paulette~
I'm having to agree here! I have to go back and look at some info. Franklin
is a poop machine in comparison to Lucy or any other dogs I've had. He does
have a weird habit that all of the other male dogs here have had - provides a
poop whenever I scoop the yard - weird. None of the girls have done that!
Even so, he poops 3x/day, eats 2x. There have been some rare 4th times in a
day, but those are usually the small, "scoop" poop, or something out of the
ordinary. Lucy goes only 1-2x and eats 2x/day.
He gets 2c of food (California Natural) a day. He gets a unsalted pretzel once
a day (thin), and some very tiny treats during some training work, MAYBE once a
week. He's a lean 60#.
I wouldn't be giving Bagel ANY puppy formula. He's an adult (albeit a young
one). He's not fat. He'll acheive and maintain body weight perfectly fine on
the LB Adult food, but it's possible that the food isn't really agreeing with
him, or best for him. I'm reading that he has as many as 6 poops/day. That
tells me too much of his food is going to waste, not being utilized.
Something else we can work on Nessa.........
BTW - Bagel is a GREAT dog to touch. He's soft and cuddly and really cute.
Hannah is a little bullet of a puppy - tons of energy and a twinkle in her eye.
Nessa, of course, is a very nice and bubbly person who obviously adores these
two.
Kind2dogs
>Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2002 6:29 AM
>Message-id: <20020627062928...@mb-bk.aol.com>
Oh no!
Well thankfully he is OK.
Many people do not realize just how common something like this is.
Last week my friend called me in a panic as her dog had something sticking out
of his rump.
When I got there I saw,*plastic streamers* and a busted balloon,trailing out.
So I pulled and dug a bit, and got out two balloons and about ten long
streamers,that she had hung around when they had a cook out the night before.
Thankfully in this case all *pooped out*.
J1Boss
>Oh no!
>
>Well thankfully he is OK.
>Many people do not realize just how common something like this is.
>Paulette~
In flat-coats, it's a VERY common vice. It has scared the hell out of me.
When Franklin was a puppy, I really lost it ranting at my husband, that his
failure to pay attention to what he did with his socks was going to kill this
dog. I've tried a number of approaches in the past, and he's not touched socks
I take off and put on the floor or sofa, but I always put them in the off
limits laundry when I get up of course.
He carries things a lot, being a good little retriever, but socks are the only
thing he seems to have a penchant for swallowing - when he was very young ti
was any small cloth item (not chewing up BTW - he gulps them whole, like a
snake). When he was a puppy, he'd bring me my shoes (I had a pile next to the
computer every day!), and would gleefully bring me anything he picked up in the
house - he always got a redirect to a toy, and lot's of praise for bringing and
giving. Like I do with all retriever puppies. No problems asking him to drop
anything at all (including a sock in the rare instances I saw him pick one
up/out of somewhere).
We've accounted for all socks in the house, so we don't know where this came
from. Never will (as the vet said - "it was brown" - EWWWW). We'll be
re-working on this now, in the case that he COULD find another one in life,
when i wasn't around. This has been a very frightening experience.
Kind2dogs
>Message-id: <20020627074420...@mb-bk.aol.com>
>
>>From: kind...@aol.com (Kind2dogs)
>
>>Oh no!
>>
>>Well thankfully he is OK.
>>Many people do not realize just how common something like this is.
>
>>Paulette~
>
>In flat-coats, it's a VERY common vice. It has scared the hell out of me.
I bet!
>When Franklin was a puppy, I really lost it ranting at my husband, that
>his
>failure to pay attention to what he did with his socks was going to kill
>this
>dog. I've tried a number of approaches in the past, and he's not touched
>socks
>I take off and put on the floor or sofa, but I always put them in the off
>limits laundry when I get up of course.
I was thinking how bout you get some half round wall baskets and put them up in
various areas. They are attractive,and this would give your husband a place to
drop his socks. : )
I have af ew around my home as having all the brown dogs having to have ALWAYS
something in their mouths,heehee,they want anything and everything.
Usually though socks and undies are the things they covet most. ; )
Thankfully they just hold and suck not eat!
>He carries things a lot, being a good little retriever, but socks are the
>only
>thing he seems to have a penchant for swallowing -
Ooooooooooooooo
Keeper use to swallow jewelry.
They always came out though! heehee
> when he was very young
>ti
>was any small cloth item (not chewing up BTW - he gulps them whole, like
>a
>snake).
WOW
When he was a puppy, he'd bring me my shoes (I had a pile next
>to the
>computer every day!), and would gleefully bring me anything he picked up
>in the
>house -
Same here.
>he always got a redirect to a toy, and lot's of praise for bringing
>and
>giving. Like I do with all retriever puppies. No problems asking him to
>drop
>anything at all (including a sock in the rare instances I saw him pick one
>up/out of somewhere).
Same here
>
>We've accounted for all socks in the house, so we don't know where this
>came
>from.
Ya have? Not here. I really do think the washer eats them, and only wants to
each one sock per pair.
I can tell I am getting older,and odder, as this winter I got up put on some
socks, went out to breakfast, looked down at my feet, had two different socks
on and my slipper mocs!!!
Didn't even bother me!
Never will (as the vet said - "it was brown" - EWWWW). We'll be
>re-working on this now, in the case that he COULD find another one in life,
>when i wasn't around. This has been a very frightening experience.
I know Janet, and I know how we are ...Always on top of things tring to leave
no room for error,as once is enough.
Oh and congrats on the kitten!
Paulette~
>Janet Boss
>Best Friends Dog Obedience
>"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
>Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
>www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
Sionnach
"J1Boss" wrote:
>
> He was a very, very sick dog. He had emergency surgery on Monday, but was
home
> by Tuesday - we lucked out that the sock had advanced enough that they
didn't
> need to cut the bowel. Once he was opened, they were able to manipulate
the
> sock out his rectum. He thinks he's fine, so the leash is very necessary!
> He's got about a foot of staples on his tummy, and this was a very
expensive
> sock!
Ouch. :-( Thank goodness you paid attention and got him to the vet in
time! What *is* it with retrievers and eating wierd things?
My client D.O.G. (Labrador) has blocked himself up *twice*- once at age
two, when he ate a leather belt, and once about a year ago when he pulled
over and smashed a HEAVY hardwood file cabinet in order to get and eat the
eight-pound bag of dog biscuits that was stored in it. That was bad enough,
but the next day he went out in the back yard and ate a large quantity of
grass and BARK, apparently in an attempt to relieve the tummyache from the
biscuits.
IIRC, he had to have surgery the first time; the second time they were
able to get things moving without it, but his owner still had a large vet
bill.
Sionnach
> >>> Hannah is 15 weeks old today. she weighs 24 pounds,
>
> >She's going to be considered large at 70 pounds. she's mostly lab after
all.
And Janet replied:
>
> She's not going to be 70# unless it's fat! The ESTIMATE for a 4 month
old, 24
> # pupy is 48# (roughly double their 4 month old weight).
>
> My golden - 40# at 4 months, was a 72-74# lean (healthy!) dog.
>
> Franklin is 60#. He was about 30# at 4 months.
I believe Nessa is operating off the formula of 3x the weight at 12-13
week (cos we were talking about it at the park a few days ago). It was
accurate in Rocsi's case- she weighed 4.2 lb at 13 weeks, and at a year is
just under 12 lb.
She hasn't gotten any taller or heavier, as far as I can tell, since she
was about 9 1/2 months- but one more growth spurt is possible; I had her
x-rayed a couple of weeks ago, and the vet said that her growth plates are
still partially open in most cases, and "wide open" in the tibia.
Sionnach
Paulette wrote:
> >
> >I do hope Bagel is not overweight.
He's not. 85 lbs is a good weight on him- I had my hands on him last week
(was showing Nessa how to check weight with thumbs on spine, feeling for
ribs). He's a Newf x Labrador, with the massive bone structure you would
expect from that mix. His head is *humongous*. <G>
>There is nothing worse than an overweight
> >dog, well OK yes, an overweight person is stretch pants!!!
Depends on the stretch pants. SPANDEX, now- even people of relatively
normal weight really shouldn't wear it in many cases.
And Janet wrote:
>
> BTW - Bagel is a GREAT dog to touch. He's soft and cuddly and really
cute.
> Hannah is a little bullet of a puppy - tons of energy and a twinkle in her
eye.
They really are great dogs- just about my favorites, aside from my own three
and Eli.
> Nessa, of course, is a very nice and bubbly person who obviously adores
these
> two.
Yep. And btw, I agree with both of you- with you that perhaps adding a puppy
when Bagel wasn't 100% was taking on a bit much, but with Nessa that Hannah
was exactly the right dog to add to her household.
Sionnach
"The Other Harry" wrote:
> I also think Janet Boss makes an excellent point about the
> possibility that the problem might be more related to something
> other than housebreaking per se. You being in the shower,
> abandonment, etc.
That's my guess on it- that it's being triggered by something related to
his past, which unfortunately is pretty much a mystery.
Kind2dogs
>Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2002 8:34 AM
>Message-id: <aff0q3$dn9p1$1...@ID-45033.news.dfncis.de>
Why was she x-rayed?
Paulette~
Kind2dogs
>Message-id: <aff0s0$de6q3$1...@ID-45033.news.dfncis.de>
>
>
>Paulette wrote:
>
>> >
>> >I do hope Bagel is not overweight.
>
>He's not. 85 lbs is a good weight on him- I had my hands on him last week
>(was showing Nessa how to check weight with thumbs on spine, feeling for
>ribs).
So you know him?
That's nice.
> He's a Newf x Labrador,
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh my second dog Joshua was a Newfie/with a bit of Lab thrown in.
GREAT dog!
>with the massive bone structure you would
>expect from that mix. His head is *humongous*. <G>
SO then he should be about 100 anyway,if you average things out.
And has lots more room to grow and might reach a nice body weight of up to 140
or so!
>
>
>>There is nothing worse than an overweight
>> >dog, well OK yes, an overweight person is stretch pants!!!
>
> Depends on the stretch pants. SPANDEX, now- even people of relatively
>normal weight really shouldn't wear it in many cases.
Ooooooooooooooooo,for sure. I am not big on TIGHT REVEALING CLOTHES!
ACK!!
J1Boss
>Why was she x-rayed?
>
>Paulette~
I'm not Sarah, but I;m guessing as a precaution before stressing her with
performance activities.
J1Boss
> I believe Nessa is operating off the formula of 3x the weight at 12-13
>week (cos we were talking about it at the park a few days ago).
Interesting. Teddy, at 12 weeks, was 30# - 90# would have been incredibly
overweight for him! Franklin, OTOH, was about 22#. 66# would not be
unreasonable at all (he's usually 60# now).
>It was
>accurate in Rocsi's case- she weighed 4.2 lb at 13 weeks, and at a year is
>just under 12 lb.
> She hasn't gotten any taller or heavier, as far as I can tell, since she
>was about 9 1/2 months- but one more growth spurt is possible; I had her
>x-rayed a couple of weeks ago, and the vet said that her growth plates are
>still partially open in most cases, and "wide open" in the tibia.
Small breeds have different growth curves. The chart in Dr Pitcairn's book
(Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats, page 100 of the 1982
version) is pretty good. Rocsi looks right on the money! The chart predicts
Hannah to be 50#.
Kind2dogs
>Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2002 9:29 AM
>Message-id: <20020627092900...@mb-mo.aol.com>
>
>>
>>Why was she x-rayed?
>>
>>Paulette~
>
>I'm not Sarah, but I;m guessing as a precaution before stressing her with
>performance activities.
>
unless there was a problem.
So this is considered normal to do at a young age for this type of dog and
work?
Paulette~
>Janet Boss
>Best Friends Dog Obedience
>"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
>Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
>www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
A dogs life is too short...
Their only fault really...
J1Boss
>Oh. I just never get my dogs xrayed unless I wanted an OFA hips or elbows,
>ot
>unless there was a problem.
>
>So this is considered normal to do at a young age for this type of dog and
>work?
>
>Paulette~
A lot of performance people want to know. I think it may become a requirement
at some point.
Kind2dogs
>Message-id: <20020627093905...@mb-mo.aol.com>
>
>>
>>Oh. I just never get my dogs xrayed unless I wanted an OFA hips or elbows,
>>ot
>>unless there was a problem.
>>
>>So this is considered normal to do at a young age for this type of dog
>and
>>work?
>>
>>Paulette~
>
>A lot of performance people want to know. I think it may become a requirement
>at some point.
Interesting... And they do this at one year or before?
As you know OFA you need to be over 24 months for them to give you a rating but
you can do prelims,although most feel that you need them of that age to get a
proper reading.
Paulette
Melinda Shore
Kind2dogs <kind...@aol.com> wrote:
>As you know OFA you need to be over 24 months for them to
>give you a rating but you can do prelims,although most feel
>that you need them of that age to get a proper reading.
That's a slight misinterpretation. By two years the plates
have closed and the skeleton is no longer a puppy skeleton,
so you can tell what the condition is of the mature dog.
That doesn't mean that you can't detect problems earlier, or
that you shouldn't try if you're going to be involved in
activities that are physically stressful.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
J1Boss
>Interesting... And they do this at one year or before?
>
>As you know OFA you need to be over 24 months for them to give you a rating
>but
>you can do prelims,although most feel that you need them of that age to get a
>proper reading.
>
>Paulette
Basically, the agility organizations have age restrictions as flyball is
beginning to. Don't know about some other performance activities. Jumping
dogs (over a low height or not on their own silliness) before growth plates is
closed is not wise. Some people do it anyway. They like bragging about how
their really young dog excels at stuff. Never mind that they may be crippling
it. I won't start retrievers on jumping (other then their own antics) until 15
months. Small breeds can do this much younger. Giant breeds later. I won't
allow retrievers to jump all 4 feet vertically (like to catch a frisbee) at
all. Ever.
I think we're moving towards x-rays as proof of growth plate closure, to
prevent people from making poor choices for their dogs. A lot has been "honor
system: or assumptions based on age until now, and I don't think it's giving
enough restriction at times.
diddy
>
> >Subject: Re: housebreaking in a multi level home
> >From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
> >Date: Thu, Jun 27, 2002 9:29 AM
> >Message-id: <20020627092900...@mb-mo.aol.com>
> >
> >>
> >>Why was she x-rayed?
> >>
> >>Paulette~
> >
> >I'm not Sarah, but I;m guessing as a precaution before stressing her with
> >performance activities.
> >
> Oh. I just never get my dogs xrayed unless I wanted an OFA hips or elbows, ot
> unless there was a problem.
>
> So this is considered normal to do at a young age for this type of dog and
> work?
>
> Paulette~
I pennhip mine at 6 months (before intensive training) I would keep them
anyway, but before I invest a lot of time into a dog that I'm not going
to continue with, I want to know the story.
Then OFA at 2, 4, 6.
Danny OFA'd (good) last at age 10 with a good. I'm not going to OFA him
at 12.
I just want to see how good OFA/PennHip are as predictors as a dog
advances into old age.
I'm doing this for my own personal study. I will never have enough dogs
or money to do anything conclusive :)
J1Boss
>Jumping
>dogs (over a low height or not on their own silliness) before growth plates
>is
>closed is not wise.
It should have read: OTHER THAN over a low height...........
diddy
>
> Interesting... And they do this at one year or before?