Aggressive dog...
hangar18
We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums. The
vet has adviced us to give him a pet care product to reduce anxiety and
stress. THat seems to have helped quite a bit but he still gets
aggressive when someone goes near him if he's chewing something.
I'll describe an instance today.
I was preparing a sandwich with some sausages and a piece of sausage
accidently fell down. I went to pick it up and at the same time he went
for it. He got ferocious and had a bite at my leg. He starts shivering
with anger/fright once he gets these attacks. I sat down and called him
to me. He came up and seemed Ok but suddenly he attacked me again. What
could be the cause of this? Also how do we ensure that this does not
happen and incase it does, what are the steps that we need to do to
reduce this. Do we like need to punish him or something ( which I'm
sure may not be the right thing to do). How do we need react to these
situations? We love him a lot but we dont quite agree with this
behaviour.
Please help!!
Thanks in advance,
Soni
Janet B
clicked their heels and said:
>Hi,
>We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
A lab is a retriever - Labrador Retriever. I'm going to assume you
mean labrador retriever/golden retriever cross. Just curious - do you
KNOW the cross or is it a guess?
>Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
>He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums. The
>vet has adviced us to give him a pet care product to reduce anxiety and
>stress.
How about TRAINING?
>THat seems to have helped quite a bit but he still gets
>aggressive when someone goes near him if he's chewing something.
>I'll describe an instance today.
>I was preparing a sandwich with some sausages and a piece of sausage
>accidently fell down. I went to pick it up and at the same time he went
>for it.
TRAINING prevents that from happening. "leave it", "down-stay", both
extremely effective IF they have been taught.
>He got ferocious and had a bite at my leg. He starts shivering
>with anger/fright once he gets these attacks. I sat down and called him
>to me. He came up and seemed Ok but suddenly he attacked me again. What
>could be the cause of this?
Lack of training, leadership, structure, guidance.
>Also how do we ensure that this does not
>happen and incase it does, what are the steps that we need to do to
>reduce this. Do we like need to punish him or something ( which I'm
>sure may not be the right thing to do). How do we need react to these
>situations?
PROactively. TRAINING (did I say training?). You need IN PERSON HELP
not drugs for stress.
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album
BlackVomit
>Hi,
>We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
>Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
>He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums. The
>vet has adviced us to give him a pet care product to reduce anxiety and
>stress. THat seems to have helped quite a bit but he still gets
>aggressive when someone goes near him if he's chewing something.
>I'll describe an instance today.
Hello soni (hangar18),
Just wanted to warn you in advance of this pervert,
newsgroup abuser and convicted felon who is trolling
the room. His alias is The Amazing Puppy Wizard
and real name is Jerry Howe.
Since you are new here, you just got hooked by replying
to this well known netloon and troll. Once he baits you
as he does with others, you became troll bait and he will flame
you and harass you through this newsgroup and in email.
PLEASE killfile this well known Jerry Howe aka
The Puppy Wizard who is using alot of alias in
here. He is a pathological liar, pervert and
bastard net kook.
All he does is slander and defame people in
here and never listens when told to stop. He knows
nothing about dog training or canine behavior.
He just makes this up, his nose gets longer and
longer like Pinocchio due to lying for years
and he has been abusively trolling this newsgroup
and others for years.
He keeps putting " XXX " in each word, which means
that he is so perverted and he is mentally ill and
off his medication and it is better that all of
you keep him in your killfiles for the time being.
Please avoid replying to messages from all his aliases.
The aliases to killfile are:
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet"
<AtHisMas...@MuchoMail.Com>
AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory HushMail.Com
AtHisMastersFeet MuchoMail.Com
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MarshallDermerAlpha1UofWI MUCHOMAIL.COM
PerryStalsis Animail.Net
TheAmazingPussyWizard HushMail.Com
TheAmazingPuppyWizard Mail.Com
ThePuppyFaerie AniMail.Net
ThePuppyProphet AniMail.Net
ThePuppyWizard
ThePussyWizard
ba...@yahoo.com
Jason James
Add them to the killfilters in your newsreader program to
block him permanently.
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
hangar18 wrote:
> Hi,
> We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
Last time you posted to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Trainning Method
Manual Forums you had a DascHOWEND <{); ~ ) >
You was askin HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk THug Cowards
And Active Acute Chronic Long Term Incurable MENTAL CASES HOWE
to train him. The Amazing Puppy Wizard GAVE YOU your own FREE
COPY of The Amazing PUppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual and HE TOLD YOU "DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS <{); ~
) >
> Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
SELDOM EVER NEED to ASK QUESTIONS abHOWET dog behavior, hangar18.
> He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums.
NO. ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR. ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> The vet has adviced us to give him a pet
> care product to reduce anxiety and stress.
THAT'S ABSURD.
> THat seems to have helped quite a bit
Do tell??? Then HOWE COME you're postin here abHOWETS? You
just writin in on accHOWENT of you wanna brag on your new
dog? OR perhaps you got some EXXXTRA FREE TIME an you'd like
to SOCIALIZE a little bit?
> but he still gets aggressive when someone goes near him
Naaah?
> if he's chewing something.
That's probably on accHOWENT of he's been PUNISHED for chewin stuff.
> I'll describe an instance today.
THAT'S IRRELEVENT:
ALL Temperament And BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> I was preparing a sandwich with some sausages and a piece of sausage
> accidently fell down. I went to pick it up and at the same time he
> went for it.
That's HOWE COME the little Pug dog Apple GOT DEAD,
but she CHOKED while runin with an APPLE CORE she
stole that the owner was tryin to get back.
R.I.P. Apple
> He got ferocious and had a bite at my leg.
Did you stick your leg in front of him to block him
from grabbin the sausage? That's HOWE J.L.S.'s DEAD
DOG GOT DEAD on us <{) ; ~ ) >
> He starts shivering with anger/fright once he gets these attacks.
Yeah... that's NORMAL. He's had a few instances like that, eh?
> I sat down and called him to me.
You got BALLS, hangar18. The Amazing Puppy Wizard woulda been
diggin HOWET the soft brHOWEN stuff in HIS trHOWESERS, first.
> He came up and seemed Ok
Well, then everything is A.O.K., eh hangar18???
> but suddenly he attacked me again.
Might he have thought you was witholding somemore sausage?:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge,demonstrated HOWE
we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not
received is experienced as a punishment and can produce
extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
> What could be the cause of this?
Ooops! The Amazing Puppy Wizard shoulda read ahead. Well,
answerin questions pryor to bein asked DOES come with the
really neat Wizard's Closhe an Scepter <{) : ~ ) >
> Also how do we ensure that this does not happen
You'll have to STUDY your own FREE COPY of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and FOLLOW the
INSTRUCTIONS PRECISELY and ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if
you need any additinal FREE HEELP <{) ; ~ ) >
> and incase it does,
IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN if you FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS
and quit playin grabass with these mentally ill lyig dog
abusing punk thug cowards <{) ; ~ ) >
> what are the steps that we need to do to reduce this.
You gotta STUDY your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and STOP
PLAYIN GRABASS with these LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG
COWARD ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL
CASES like you done pryor, hangar18 <{) : ~ ) >
Had you DONE THAT pryor YOU WOULDN'T OF GOT BIT NHOWE <{); ~ ) >
> Do we like need to punish him or something
THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ "DECENT
PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS," hangar18 <{): ~ ( >
Looks like you got your just deserts <{) ; ~ ) >
> (which I'm sure may not be the right thing to do).
GOOD THINKIN. HOWEver, YOUR PALS HURT INTIMDIATE
and MURDER DOGS LIKE YOU GOT, hangar18 <{); ~ ) >
> How do we need react to these situations?
If you FOLLOW THE doGdameneD INSTRUCIIONS your dog WON'T
FEAR YOU hangar18, therefore HE AIN'T GONNA ATTACK YOU.
> We love him a lot but we dont quite agree with this behaviour.
LikeWIZE <{); ~ ) >
> Please help!!
You AIN'T gonna be gettin nodoGdameneD ADVICE from
these dog murderin MENTAL CASES hangar18 <{): ~ ( >
> Thanks in advance,
If you keep askin these cretins QUESTIONS The Amazing
Puppy Wizard JUST MIGHT NOT BE SO WILLIN to give you
ANY answers in the event you should ask HIM for EXXXTRA
FREE HEELP, hangar18 <{) : ~ { >
> Soni
HOWEDY Jason,
Jason James wrote:
> The SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR AIN'T LUCK, Jason.
>
> > but an illusion except for the most serious of cases.
>
> No, Jason. So called traditioinal trainin is the ILLUSION AS
> EVIDENCED BY YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY <{) : ~ ) >
>
> > All living things need stress to proceed with their life
>
> Just makin it through the day is ENOUGH stress, Jason,
> TRUST The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) : ~ ) >
>
> > and to act as a warning of impending injury or death.
>
> THAT'S HOWER JOB, not THEIRS, Jason. WE got the
> RESPONSIBILITY to PROTECT and SERVE HOWER
> gentle tender lovin critters <{) : ~ ) >
>
> Like grieving, for EXXXAMPLE. We can't allHOWE HOWER
> critters to tough it HOWET on their own using treats as sub-
> stitutes for their pal. To cure fretting all we gotta do is TALK
> to HOWER critters abHOWET their deceased pals, mentioning
> their names and talkin abHOWET them usin words they'd
> associate with them.
>
> > Who said that "each organism spends it life reacting to
> > discomfort (stress) to attain comfort" or a variation of that
> > paraphrase?
>
> You mean life is tough enough just makin it through the day?
> The Amazing Puppy Wizard is HIGHLY UNEDUCATED, Jason.
> Perhaps we can ask a EXXXPERT like professor of ANAL-ytic
> behaviorISM at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE And SCREAM
> "NO!" Into ITS Face For FIVE SECONDS And Lock IT In A Box
> For Ten Minutes Contemplation" dermer. He's studied EVERYWON
> else's work and can cite you chapter an verse, verbatum <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> HOWEver, that not withstanding, fully 90% of ALL DISEASES are
> so called iatrogenic / idiopathic / STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
> DYSFUNCTION aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> And ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY
> MISHANDLING therefore can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> THAT'S BEEN PROVEN RIGHT HERE, Jason <{) ; ~ ) >.
>
> > In the end the equation of life remains unchanged ie organism responds to
> > stimulous to divide and hence grow,. a sick person uses the effort of the
> > carer to sustain their life. That sustenance is debited from the carer,..
> > the equation remains unchanged....
>
> Kinda like a simbiotic relationship, eh Jason?
>
> "Familiarity breeds CONTEMPT":
> Your kats WANT to be PALS but they're AFRAID of TRUSTING.
>
> You sez:
>
> "In any case a kitten allowed to socialise with an older
> cat is not always the best thing until the kitten is older."
>
> So he can HOLD HIS OWN in a FIGHT???
The Amazing Puppy Wizard was kinda hopin you'd give the answer
to the little kat / big kat question, Jason <{): ~ { >
> From: "Jason James" <associ...@dodo.comzapspam.au>
> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 18:03:51 GMT
> Subject: Re: Can someone explain my cats' behavior?
>
> > So my question is - why do they groom each
> > other if it always ends in fighting?
For the same reason they'll come over an lay on your lap
and then freak HOWET and attack when they've "reached their
limit of pattin" or when you touch their "SENSITIVE" areas.
They're TRYIN to MAKE PALS but then they become arHOWESED:
"Familiarity breeds CONTEMPT":
Your kats WANT to be PALS but they're AFRAID of TRUSTING.
> > Is it possible for them to groom without fighting?
Of curse, but they'd NEED to LEARN to TRUST or you'd
have to EXXXTINGUISH their reflexive fear response to
INTIMACY. Lotsa times ladies will "freak HOWET" just
like that after becoming intimate <{) ;~ ) >
> > Do they "like" each other?
Of curse they LIKE, HOWEver, they become AFRAID when
they start lettin their guard DHOWEN <{) ; ~ ) >
> > Thanks!
So, you just gotta do a few conditioning EXXXORCISES
to teach them to TRUST that becoming close is SAFE OR
interrupt their reflexive behavior when they "turn"
on you, and REPEAT the process as per the INSTRUCTIONS
in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual:
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } > < { ~ :{@}>
<{#}: ~ } >8< { ~ :{@}>
Take a look see, Jason. You WILL enjoy and appreciate it.
OtherWIZE you'll DETEST The Amazing Puppy Wizard JUST
LIKE HOWE all these "EXXXPERTS" do on accHOWENT of it
EMBARRASSES and INTIMIDATES and INVALIDATES them.
There's been more than a few folks actually GONE PSYCHOTIC
from JUST READIN and UNDERSTANDING the ramifications
involved in the PROCESS and in retrospect, on their lives <{); ~ ) >
> We have the same situation,
INDEED?
> tho they only do it very occasionally now.
On accHOWENT of "time heels all WHOWENDS <{) ; ~ ) >
> At first I had to separate them (in fact I put the stray
> outside until meal-timees for a few weeks),.after a few
> weeks they learnt to tolerate each other,...
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual woulda
accomplished THAT in a couple minutes. MAYBE FASTER <{); ~ ) >
> most of the time.
PERMENANTELY <{); ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
Subject: Kelly and Moo
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:19:44 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Yesterday when she bit Moo (the pup) we immediately
sent my husband to winn dixie for a long lead. Although
we paid $22 for a 16ft leash (total rip off) we needed it
right away.
I immediately went onto my driveway and did the hot
and cold exercise. Across our street was a painter
paintiung a house being built. Kelly barked once. I
praised right away and she did well.
Took about 10 minutes for the hot and cold since we
have lots of lizards which were a distraction but she
was standing by me waiting for me to move in ten minutes.
So we begin the FPLX. Another painter arrived.. she didn't
even bark.. just looked!
We were in the street (only nuetral area we could get) and
within say 5 minutes i could zig zag up and down the street
and she followed.
We did have one folley... her lead got caught on a neighbor's
garbage can and it spooked her badly, but she immediately
recovered. Early in the FPLX she located a huge muddy pool
of water and got filthy.. but in the end followed up and
ignored the water!
She came inside and got a nice shower with my husband,
came out and laid down and she and moo fell asleep with
him nursing.. she wasn't scared of him at all.. although he
nurses quite roughly... she fully laid down on her side.
She did bark at him while he ate, but today he ate and
she walked by within 2 feet.. i stood ready with my can
and praised and only needed sound three times when she
got really close.
She is now on the floor chewing on him... in a good way..
same way she nibbles our children.. we call it tickling..
and she and Moo are rough housing and we found his legs
and at one point his head in her jaws and she was so gentle..
she did get too rought wice and he didn't hesitate to screech
in pain and ever since then she's been so gentle..
I can even go "Where;s the Moo?!?" and she will
find him and check him... The change is amazing.
We never had any pulling on our lead and if i did i walked
closer and used the recall. This was only at first though..
after the initial trial was over she was checking us every
10 seconds to make sure we were close.
I even did an about face when she was at the end of her
lead and no tension! She is doing her commands without
hesitation or treats.. such as Up, down etc when we need
her to move. When she stepped on my feet i nicely said
Ouch! and she licked me.. she hasn't done it since.
She follows me and every tme we make eye contact she
gives me her pitbull smile. She even stopped barking at
our neighbor's two dogs and pig.
She only barked once today when our kids and Moo were
outside... but we're working on that. She always gets
very angry if our neighbor's dogs bark when the children
are outside.. but the priase and distraction are working
soooo well.
I'm telling everyone I know about your manual.
Oh! And Moo held himself last night and went pee and poop
outside for the first time today. He comes when I call 90%
of the time... and I suppose it is due to only knowing his
name recently. And the sound distraction and praise are
working on him too! He's only 5.5 weeks old!
You're a dog whisperer of great ability Jerry... you took your
ability to work with these animals and you freely help out others
and I think it's a beautiful thing. I wish you great success and
if you like I will keep you posted. Also feel free to use my emails
to show others how great you are. I will also be posting pictures
on my webpage of the pups when I get a chance.
Also.. although we got Moo Sunday night. Kelly is
already lactating on Moo's two favorite nipples :)
Sincerely,
Chris, Amanda, Jasmine, Chloe and Naya (your methods
work on me too! despite being 18 months old!), Moo and Kelly.
--
Preserving Families One Day at a Time
http://www.dcfwatch.com
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even
his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he
establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. -- 1776
>From the American Crisis by Thomas Jefferson
-------------------------------------------------------
> We are after-all talking about 2 males who have not grown-up together.
Genders an species are IRRELEVENT:
A Dog Is A Dog
As A Kat Is A Kat
As A Birdie Is A Birdie
As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard don't accept EXXXCUSES.
Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM
From: p...@cfl.rr.com
To: Witsend...@aol.com
Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.
My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I used this
system on four different occasions.
When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.
I will write to Amanda about the video.
I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.
Thanks again
Paul
============
> I think its virtually normal behaviour at first,
NO.
ALL AGGRESSION IS FEAR.
ALL FEAR IS CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
> based on territory and stuff.
You mean FEAR.
> Jason
> ---------
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
>> At any rate it's been REAL NICE meetin you Jason, you're a
>> gentleman AND a scholar, in my never to be humble opinion.
>> HOWEver, there's no need to rely on The Amazing Puppy
>> Wizard's accHOWENT for any of this. stuff. Perhaps you can
>> benefit from someWON you already know an trust?:
>
> Someone I already know and trust?
INDEEDY. You MUST know Robert Crim from the pipe smoker's
group. He USED to be r.p.d.b.'s MOST FAVORITE poster and
primary ANTAGONIST of The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{): ~ ( >
> I wasn't looking for advice,
The Amazing Puppy Wizard wasn't lookin to him for ADVICE.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard was usin his CASE HISTORY DATA
to PROVE HIS POINT:
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
> Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
> Date: 02/05/1999
> Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
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> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
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Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> cause it ain't rocket-science
INDEED. It's far more important than SCIENCE.
IT'S LIFE OR DEATH, not physics or university behavior ANAL-ysis.
OtherWIZE The Amazing Puppy Wizard COULDN'T GET AWAY with
callin such notables dr. ian dunbar and dra. patricia mcconnell and
dr. nicholas dodman et al ANIMAL ABUSERS and FRAUDS and still
others LIARS and COWARDS, even MENTAL CASES and THIEVES,
and PROVED IT BY THEIR OWN WORKS, Jason.:
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away
when I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in
the neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and
women who hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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The ENTIRE BEHAVIOR INDUSTRY is abHOWET to be
DEBUNKED. But NOT until The Amazing Puppy Wizard
DESTROYS THE EXXXPERTS on accHOWENT of HE
ain't gonna end up like skinner, breland christ and moses <{) ; ~ ) >
The teachings of The Amazing Puppy Wizard based on
HIS CASE HISTORY DATA accrued RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forums Archives will be STUDIED in
universities and taught to mommys and their babies all
over the HOWEL WILD WORLD for the next THOWESAND
years <{) : ~ ) >
ALL Temperament And BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
> Animal natural behaviour is the best teacher for the "owner",
You mean AFTER THE FACT:
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
SAME SAME,
For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."
Like a confessor Priest?
"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.........., "
--John Galsworthy.
Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
our words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom
and right action as separate,
not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one
knows the truth.
Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act
according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate
which are aroused by the objects of sense
arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path." Bhagavad Gita,
adapted by Krishna with permission from His
FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{) ; ~ ) >
"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."
~ Mohandas Gandhi --
Adapted with permission from his FREE
copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ ) >
Force training JERRYIZES dogs...
and GETS THEM DEAD.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
for the good of its victims,
may be the most oppressive.
Those who torment us for our own good
will torment us without end,
for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience." -
- C.S. Lewis.
"Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon
> but we are higher primates, right?
Nekkid apes. We really haven't evolved much at all.
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME is the perfect
synergy of love, pride, desire, self will, greed,
ego, fear, hate, arrogance, disbelief, jealousy,
embarrassment, embellishment, shame, guilt,
anger, aversion, attraction, revulsion, change,
permanence, enlightenment, insult, attrition,
and conditioning.
It's the perfect fusion of The Word,
in the physical.
It's time for the dog training industry and universities that
TEACH trainers and "behaviorists" to DEFEND THEIR FALSE
METHODS against 100% NEAR INSTANT TOTAL SUCCESS
as PROVEN by the C-HOWENTLESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student's REPORTS, after they've "TRIED ALL OTHER
METHODS and FAILED" to GET THE HEEL HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS:
Subject: R.P.D.B. Syndrome
http://www.phule.net/mirrors/u nskilled-and-unaware.html
http://www.apa.org/journals/fe atures/psp7761121.pdf
UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT: HOW DIFFICULTIES IN
RECOGNIZING ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE LEAD TO
INFLATED SELF-ASSESSMENTS
Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants
scoring in the bottom quartile... grossly overestimated
their best performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated
themselves to be in the 62nd.
- Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity.
- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.
- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable
from incompetence.
> We should know better?
Naaah. We AIN'T born KNOWIN stuff, we simply REFLEX
just like a dog or kat or skunk or child <{) : ~ ) >
> Can we use our "higher functioning"
Not unless we develop CON-TROLL of HOWER emotions.
"The thinking that got us into this mess
will be insufficient to get us out of it."
--Albert Einstein
> to improve on 'natural animal behaviour'?
We can do THAT with EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC
CONDITIONING, i.e. LEARNED QUALITIES <{) ; ~ ) >
"The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery.
There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition
or what you will, and the solution comes to you and
you don't know how or why." -- Albert Einstein
> or Does the dog, cat, bird and juicy worm, know they
> are in a predatorial order established by our higher
> power?
NOt at all. Think Galapagos.
The critters FHOWEN had NO FEAR of MAN.
> How do we best interface with this order,..
That's EZ!:
"If you talk with the animals,
they will talk with you and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness
that created them.
If you can't explain it to a six year old,
you don't understand it yourself.
We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking
if mankind is to survive," -- Albert Einstein
> being as we are,..at the top?
IF we was "at the top" WE WOULDN'T FEAR NUTHIN.
"Two things are infinite: the universe
and human stupidity;
and I'm not sure about thethe universe," -
- Albert Einstein.
KERRRRCHINNNGGGG!
> By understanding both the animal and ourselves.
THAT'S the PROBLEM, Jason. We've been MISLED by candy
assed university professors of behavior and dim witted naturalists
and veterinary ethologists who MISINTERPERTED and ANTHRO-
POMORPHIZED their observations of wild critters, perhaps ONLY
to defend rationalize and justify their own actions and attitudes <{) :
~ ( >
> If we took this understanding to its conclusion,
HOWER EGOd, FEAR PRIDE and SHAME would stand in the way.
> we wouldn't have any "pets",..
Perhaps. I appreciate your P.O.V. PeTA shares those views.
> for who are we to interfere?
Some critters wouldn't EXXXIST was it not for
domestication as pets. Others, like the dog
would seek a symbiotic relationship HOWETA
laziness or perhaps enterTRAINment <{); ~ ) >
> The truth is
CuriHOWES thing, THAT, eh Jason? The Amazing Puppy
Wizard has noticed than ALL TRUTHS have WON commonality:
THEY GOTTA FIT IN WITH ALL OTHER TRUTHS and philosopies,
otherWIZE those TRUTHS would be LIES or MISINTERPERTATON.
> we do interfere just as Pavlov did by "owning"
> the dog and then pontificating by benifit of
> its capture.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is highly ignorant, has NEVER
STUDIED Pavlov. All HE knows of Pavlov is the basic principles
of conditional reflex and a couple quotes HE'S stumbled across
in conversation or cited in an article or discussion with Dr. Von:
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7ze...@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von
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As to "INTERFERENCE", we can PUT THAT to a TEST to verify
it's TRUTHFULNESS in unusual relationships in NATURE?
HOWE abHOWET the feeder MHOWES who MADE PALS and
LIVED in the cage with a SNAKE, the birdy who befriended the
kitty kat, the wild bunny who played with the domestic dog, the
wild wolves who've raised human children a la Romulus & Remus,
and the birdies who clean the crocodile's teeth???
Many species are gregariHOWES by nature and will go
HOWET of their normal BHOWEND to make pals with
other critters with NO ulterior motive other than MATERNAL /
PATERNAL INSTINCT or simply PURE PLEASURE of mutual
appreciation / company?
> Jason
All THAT aside, here's sumpthin you may appreciate:
"Unrecognized Endocrine-Immune Defects
in Multiple DIS-EASES"
aka
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{) ; ~ ) >
HOWEDY People,
Here's some biophysical resons HOWE COME MOST OF
HOWER DOG LOVERS'S DOGS ARE breakin DHOWEN
DYIN an DROPPIN DEAD from SRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME:
Veterinarian treats thousands of pets with multiple
illnesses from chronic infections to autoimmune conditions
and finds a common anomaly - adrenal/thyroid
hormonal-imbalances & deficiencies
The adrenals are a pair of ductless glands that sit atop the
kidneys in the lower part of the back. New insights on
metabolism and hormonal balance indicate that the adrenals
and thyroid have a direct role in energy production,
well-being, allergies, immune function and many other areas
of human health.
An article by Alfred J Plechner DVM and M. Zucker
"Unrecognized endocrine-Immune Defects in Multiple
Diseases: An Effective Veterinary model may offer
Therapeutic promise for human conditions. A mutual
friend, Martin Zucker, sparked my interest in Plechners
theories and treatment approach. Zucker stated that
Alfred Plechner has developed a simple protocol for
treating cats, dogs and other pets that have chronic
infections and multiple health problems that do
not resolve on their own.
The protocol involves diagnostic testing for certain
thyroid and adrenal hormones followed by low-dose
adrenal and thyroid replacement hormones that are
used together rather than separately. The result of the
treatment is that Adrenal estrogen production declines
and stops binding to thyroid hormones. The end result
is that thyroxin is freed-up to increase ATP production
in the cells. This normalizes body temperature and cell-
mediated immune functions improve.
According to Zucker, Plechner treated dozens of cats with
FIV infection. Zucker stated that the treatment restored
normal immune function. FIV stands for Feline
Immunodeficiency Virus. The equivalent in humans is HIV. I
asked Zucker if this treatment approach has ever been used
in humans to treat HIV? He said that to his knowledge it has
not. One wonders what Plechner's protocol would do for HIV
and other immune deficiency diseases including CFIDS,
candidiasis, cancer, hepatitis, Lyme disease, lupus, MS,
allergies and autoimmune diseases. Will it bring us closer
to a cure for AIDS or a control that has little or no side
effects?
How and why do deficits and imbalances in endocrine
hormones affect the immune system? We know that
hypothyroidism (low thyroid function) leaves a person
vulnerable to one chronic infection after another.
In Wisconsin, Dennis, a local PWA, HIV+ since 1983
has had above normal body temperature all his life
and after all these years, still no HIV progression.
Never on drugs his viral load is still under 1000.
In a separate phone call to Alfred Plechner, I asked him
what exactly is his treatment protocol? Here was his reply.
Alfred: The treatment consists of giving low dose thyroid
hormones along with low-dose cortisone.
Mark: You mean low-dose thyroid hormones like Armour
Thyroid that provide the thyroid hormone "thyroxin" and
Cortone that provide one of the adrenal hormones cortisone
or its most active form - hydrocortisone?
Alfred: Yes, the equivalent of these drugs for use in humans
is available by prescription for household pets and other
animals. The amount given varies according to the weight of
the animal and the results of diagnostic tests. If I were
treating an adult human, I would start off with 1/2 grain of
thyroid (about 60 mg) and 5 mg of cortisone twice a day. You
need to monitor blood pressure when giving thyroid as too
much could cause it to rise as well as increase the pulse
rate. The process of increasing thyroid use has to be
gradual. Usually the amount of cortisone used is maintained
at a low level.
Mark: I can understand the role of the thyroid hormone as it
controls cellular metabolism throughout the body, the
production of ATP and will help in normalizing body
temperature that is critical for restoring cell-mediated
immune responses, but cortisone, is it not
immunosuppressive?
Alfred: Absolutely, if you take too much of it. The same is
true for zinc. Research has shown that too little zinc or
too much is immunosuppressive and this has been shown for
other nutrients as well. You absolutely need zinc for your
thymus gland to function properly and mature T cells but you
don't want too much or too little. Experience has shown that
15 to 30 mg daily is a safe and effective dosage range. Now
for cortisone, it is a natural anti-inflammatory hormone and
the normal healthy human body produces about 40 mg daily. It
is well established that too much cortisone is
immunosuppressive, in fact, for this reason alone, cortisone
has a bad reputation. What is not known is that too little
free cortisol is immunosuppressive. There are many people
treated with thyroid hormones that get their body
temperature back to normal and many who do not. One reason
is that part of the Adrenal glands are exhausted and are not
producing enough cortisol and another part of the Adrenal
glands are producing too much estrogen that binds to
thyroxin. The production of cortisol is controlled through a
feedback loop. Note: When cortisone is administered, it is
converted to the active form called cortisol that is also
known as hydrocortisone.
Mark: What is a feedback loop?
Alfred: Cortisol levels are controlled by a classical
feedback loop that involves the hypothalamus-pituitary and
adrenal glands. Cortisol, the primary glucocorticoid, is
produced in the middle Adrenal cortex layer. We have found a
problem in cortisol production that comes from two of three
layers of the adrenal cortex. The defect can be genetic or
due to other causes (nutritional deficiencies or toxins).
Cortisol stimulates several processes that serve to increase
and maintain normal glucose levels in the blood, exert a
potent anti-inflammatory effect and act as a regulating
factor for normal immune function.
Mark: Tell me more about this "loop" and how does
normalizing cortisol and estrogen levels affect the
functioning of the Thyroid gland and help restore normal
body temperature and cell-mediated immune function?
Alfred: "The loop is called the
hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis. Cortisol is secreted in
response to a single stimulator: AdrenoCorticoTropic Hormone
(ACTH) that is produced by the Pituitary gland. ACTH is
itself secreted under control of the Hypothalamus and a
hormone it secretes called Corticotropic-Releasing Factor
(CRF). Cortisol secretion is suppressed or stimulated by
classical feedback loops. When blood concentrations rise
above a certain threshold, cortisol inhibits CRF secretion.
This, in turn, inhibits ACTH and less ACTH reduces adrenal
secretion of cortisol.
"However, when the adrenal gland is unable to produce enough
cortisol, or for some reason the cortisol is bound, or
otherwise inactive, and thus not recognized by the system,
the pituitary continues to produce ACTH in order to extract
more cortisol from the adrenals.
"The inner cortical layer, where adrenal estrogen is
produced, also responds to ACTH. The result of constant ACTH
stimulation in a situation where cortisol is bound or
deficient produces a release of adrenal estrogen into the
system. As cortisol levels fail to reach the threshold to
stop the Hypothalamus from secreting CRF, the CRF stimulates
the Pituitary to continue to secrete ACTH. The ACTH tries to
get the Adrenal gland to produce cortisol but the same ACTH
also stimulates the adrenals to secrete estrogen. As a
result of an inability of the adrenals to keep up with
demand for cortisol, adrenal estrogen levels build up and
cause the following:
1. A histamine-like effect on capillaries, leading to
inflammation from blood components spilling into adjacent
tissues
2. Binding thyroid hormone
3. Further deregulation of lymphocytes and antibodies. "
Mark: Elevated histamine levels have been linked to elevated
interluken 6 levels in many studies. If the histamine like
effects are due to actual elevated histamine levels then
should not we also expect IL-6 levels to increase also; and
if that were the case, would we not also expect a shift in
cytokine profiles from TH1 to the less effective TH2?
Alfred: That is a good question. I have not investigated
whether or not IL-6 levels are elevated in these conditions
but I have found out that IgA levels are low and these low
levels in the digestive tract lead to food allergies and
sensitivities as well as malabsorption.
Mark: IgA is a TH1 cytokine needed for mucosal immunity.
Bifidobacteria Longum has been found to increase the levels
of IgA as does vitamin A. What are some of the benefits of
supplementing with low-dose thyroid and cortisone you have
observed in your clinical practice?
Alfred: After a trial and error period, I have developed a
testing and treatment strategy that has proved to safe and
highly effective. The central modality is replacement with
physiological doses of cortisone preparations to address the
root issue of cortisol deficiency. The low-dose cortisone
preparations normalize ACTH levels, stop the overproduction
of adrenal estrogen and the accompanying estrogen blockade
of the thyroid hormones and reregulates the immune system.
The use of low dose cortisone long term has also been
reported by Jefferies for treating allergies, autoimmune
disorders and chronic fatigue syndrome (1).
The second important modality is the simultaneous use of
thyroid hormone. The thyroid hormone is needed because the
excess adrenal estrogen has bound some of the thyroid
hormone. The low dose thyroid hormone helps increase the
metabolic rate and the liver to detoxify as well as process
the cortisol. By giving cortisol and thyroid replacement
simultaneously, the body is able to effectively utilize and
process the former (cortisol) without developing side
effects.
Once the testing and low-dose hormone therapy is underway,
it is very important to follow a hypoallergenic diet and
remove foods to which the animal or person is sensitive.
After a few weeks, the sensitive foods may be reintroduced
one at a time.
Mark: Have you written and published other articles on this
subject?
Alfred: In the late 1970's, I wrote 4 articles (2, 3, 4 and
5) on my experiences and theories but found no germane
research in veterinary journals to provide guidance.
Mark: As a general guide for someone who has low body
temperature, low cortisol and high estrogen, what would be a
safe dose with which to start?
Alfred: For cortisol, 5 mg twice a day. Take at 8am and 2pm.
Do not take cortisone supplements in the evening or before
bedtime, as it will interfere with the REM state of sleep.
We want cortisol levels higher when we are awake and low
when we are asleep. In normal subjects, cortisol levels are
highest at 8am in the morning. Also, melatonin levels that
help promote restful sleep should be lowest during the day
and increase after dark and before bedtime. A melatonin
spillover in the AM can depress the basal metabolic rate all
day. This can be turned off by exposing the eyes to bright
natural lights for a few minutes or taking a walk outside
without wearing sunglasses.
For thyroid, 1/4 grain (about 15 mg) daily to start and
after a few weeks if blood pressure and pulse are not
elevated to gradually increase the thyroid amount. The
cortisol levels are left the same. The hormonal and immune
benefits will accrue and be maintained as long as the person
stays on the protocol. A physician's prescription is
required for both the cortisol and thyroid hormones. The key
here is low-dose for successful long-term use as adverse
effects may develop from higher doses. Note: Thyroxine is a
strong inducer of IgA, a TH1 cytokine needed for intestinal
and mucosal health.
Ref: 1. Jefferies, w. McK. Mild adrencortical deficiency,
chronic allergies, autoimmune disorders and the chronic
fatigue syndrome: a continuation of the cortisone story.
Medical Hypothesis, 1994; 42;183-189
2. Plechner A. J., Shannon M., Canine Immune Complex
diseases. Modern Veterinary Practice, November 1976; 917
3. Plechner A. J., Shannon M., Epstein A, Goldstein E.,
Howard E. B., Endocrine-immune surveillance. Pulse.
June-July, 1978
4. Plechner A. J., Theory of endocrine-immune surveillance.
California Veterinarian, Jan 1979; 12.
5. Plechner A. J. Preliminary observations on
endocrine-associated immunodeficiencies in dogs? A clinician
explores the relationship of immunodeficiencies to
endocrinopathy. Modern Veterinary Practice, 1979; 811
Important Highlights from Alfred Plechner's article
35,000 pets treated with this protocol
Alfred Plechner states he has treated over 35000 pets in the
past 20 years with this protocol. Plechner reports that low
cortisol and thyroid hormone lowers T cell panels in the
tests. Estrogen can exert a dramatic blocking effect on
cortisol and thyroid hormones, and just a slight variation
out of normal is enough to cause hormonal and immune
complications. In this case, the relationship is usually low
cortisol, high estrogen and deregulated immune cells.
In female animals that are not neutered, testing is done
when the animals are not in estrus and are not producing
high levels of ovarian estrogen.
Diagnostic Tests used by Plechner
Michael A. Ball
>Hi,
>We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
>Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
>He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums...
>Please help!!
I truly love working with dogs that growl, bark and snarl at me, but why would you bring
this ill tempered dog home?
I'm curious about where you obtained this dog, and whether or not you knew about his
temperament before you acquired him. Has your veterinarian given him a checkup? Out of
curiosity, just how would you go about punishing your dog? When you sat down and called
him to you, were you sitting at his level? Were you holding your sandwich?
I support the training that has already been recommended, but I think you are in some
danger and that your dog might not be accepted into a class right now.
There are so many variables at play here that a definitive answer isn't possible, but it
is certain that you can't keep a time bomb like this. My Chow Chow/Rotweiller mix growled,
barked and showed his teeth to me twice the day I brought him home. I knew he didn't
really want to hurt me; so, I did not back down--he did. Six months later, we are
partners.
You said, "He starts shivering with anger/fright once he gets these attacks." Does he has
a reason to be afraid? Was he handled roughly, at some point in his life?
Assuming no health problems, I think your dog might be "food aggressive" and he definitely
sees you as an adversary. I think you can address both issues simultaneously by
immediately withholding all food that you don't give to him--one bit at a time. The goal
is to make him dependent upon you, and establish a degree of control over him.
Begin tomorrow morning, when he is apt to be hungry. Place his empty food bowl on the
floor. A few minutes later, put a piece of food in it. Repeat this over and over. But
leave him hungry until later, then go through the routine again. Even if you have to use a
whip and a chair, don't let him bully you. Look for signs that his demeanor is becoming
submissive.
Are you able to walk this dog on a leash? That's a fair way to begin establishing his
confidence and your relationship.
School - Four walls with tomorrow inside.
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASE,
Janet B wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2006 12:10:24 -0800, "hangar18" <soni.so...@wipro.com>,
> clicked their heels and said:
>
> >Hi,
> >We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
>
> A lab is a retriever - Labrador Retriever.
A Dog Is A Dog
As A Kat Is A Kat
As A Birdie Is A Birdie
As A Child Is A Child
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES
As A Mass Murderer Is A Mass Murderer
> I'm going to assume you mean labrador retriever/golden retriever cross.
That's IRRELEVENT, janet:
ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE
NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs,
ALL OVER THE WHOLE WILD WORLD,
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
> Just curious - do you KNOW the cross or is it a guess?
What kinda dog was that little DEAD DOG YOU MURDERED in
"Interested In Hearing", janet? What KINDA dog was YOUR
STUDENT Nessa's dog that TURNED ON HER thanks to you
jerking choking and shocking and locking IT in a box, janet?
> > Its been 3 months + since he's been with me. He was/is a
> > pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums. The
> > vet has adviced us to give him a pet care product to reduce
> > anxiety and stress.
>
> How about TRAINING?
HOWE abHOWET "TRAININ," janet? HOWE abHOWET that
TRAININ you and your PARTNER sinovabitch done to
Nessa's dog, janet?:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs in boxes
and ignoring their cries makes their dogs go "EWWWW"
but they don't NOTICE EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in
their eyes and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE aversives
in their faces.
> > THat seems to have helped quite a bit but he still gets
> > aggressive when someone goes near him if he's chewing
> > something. I'll describe an instance today. I was
> > preparing a sandwich with some sausages and a piece of
> > sausage accidently fell down. I went to pick it up and
> > at the same time he went for it.
>
> TRAINING prevents that from happening.
That so, janet? YOU TRAINED Nessa's FEAR AGGRESSIVE
dog for THREE YEARS with NO SUCCESS. REMEMBER JANET?
YOU TOLD "Intereste In Hearing" to MURDER THEIR DOG
on accHOWENT of TRAININ PROBABLY WOULDN'T WORK and
would REQUIRE MONTHS of daily and weekly lessons.
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/06/08
Subject: Re: Prong collars . . .
Not saying a prong would be my choice or not in this situation
(and neither did Ann BTW), but your "excessive force" argument
show you know little about the prong collar. You're not adverse
to collar corrections, but apparently don't realize that there
is typically a lot more force from a choke, or a buckle, than
there is from a prong. You might want to actually learn about
this valuable tool.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Second-hand dogs AREN'T second-rate"
> "leave it", "down-stay", both extremely effective
> IF they have been taught.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAA!!! You mean AFTER the dog ATTACKS?
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
On 26 Jun 2005 10:52:42 -0700, lucyaa...@claque.net, wrote:
> What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
> Lucy
one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B
----------
And here's another one from the same author,
taken from the same thread.
----------
167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"
<Ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk>, wrote:
> I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to train"your
> dogs especially as they are so small.
Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators at the end of
a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.
----------
Let's go for the hat trick with the same author, taken from the same
thread:
----------
141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm
I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.
So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).
But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For circumstances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B
----------
Janet B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
<j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com>, clicked their heels and said:
> Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say I beat dogs, choke
> dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look at the original
post, to remind myself what "we" are all accused of doing:
"screaming, choking, shocking, pinching, beating the living crap
out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that Pinch?
if you want to classify a momentary discomfort by a prong
collar, go ahead, but unless you have first hand experience with one,
your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction"--Janet Boss
"Janet Boss offered a pat on the back, commenting that
ultimately it wasn't Kate's decision. Whose was it? I asked.
Why, it was Teena's, averred Janet.
Janet was in an exculpatory frame of mind because she
contributed to this travesty herself, by advising Kate to
repeat the aggression trigger (grooming) on a daily basis.
It's all in the archives.
Now these two are spouting off about what kind of e-collars
they like to use on their dogs. Well, I've got an AC Delco
model that would be just right for Janet or Kate. BZZZZzzt!
I'd have to find it though, and I can't remember if I left
it in my underground bunker or the crawlspace under my
house," Charlie.
> > He got ferocious and had a bite at my leg. He starts shivering
> > with anger/fright once he gets these attacks. I sat down and called him
> > to me. He came up and seemed Ok but suddenly he attacked me again. What
> > could be the cause of this?
>
> Lack of training, leadership, structure, guidance.
Oh yeah? What caused YOUR STUDENT Nessa's dogs to TURN ON
HER after THREE YEARS OF CONSTANT TRAININ with you, janet?
From: Mr. Smiley <rain...@thebridge.com>
Date: 2000/06/15
Subject: Re: The Positively Puerile Movement Costs Dogs' Lives
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:12:20 GMT, "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
wrote:
> Right. The drop on recall must be taught by slamming the dog into the
> ground with the leash under your heel on a pronged choke collar...
> Jerry.
Don't forget the old Koehler trick of wearing boots with elevated
heels so you can pass the leash under your foot and yank STRAIGHT UP
with lots of force. I saw a poor doggy get a broken jaw from that
little Koehler trick.
The cretin just yanked straight up and the doggy's face went straight
down to the pavement and cracked. Of course, the doggy yelped and
screamed, but the Koehlerite trainer just said he was "being a baby."
The sad part is that the student and his dog came back for more
lessons. Very sick.
Hoppy
> > Also how do we ensure that this does not happen and incase
> > it does, what are the steps that we need to do to reduce
> > this. Do we like need to punish him or something ( which
> > I'm sure may not be the right thing to do). How do we need
> > react to these situations?
> PROactively.
From: Lisa (lbed...@katz.pitt.edu)
Subject: Re: 6 Y.O. Husky/Shepard Boy Marking the house
Date: 2001-04-26 13:49:55 PST
Janet,
I did not intend to insult you with my post.
However, I have used methods such as: choke collar, e collar,
scolding, correcting, etc. with my dog for nearly seven years.
No, I am not a professional trainer. I don't think it should
take a rocket scientist to train a dog to be a family pet. My
dog, Beau, was generally good but sometimes growled at me when
I told him to do something, and suffered from separation anxiety.
I would never use a prong collar on him because I felt it might
hurt him too much, as he is a Dalmatian and doesn't have much fur
to protect his skin. Also, the infliction of any type of pain or
"correction" (i.e., confrontation) seems to have negative effects
on him...
he has already growled and snarled at me in challenge of my authority.
But I have read Jerry's manual... and read posts by Marilyn,
Helle, Alison, and Patch regarding "purely positive" training.
I am using what I havelearned and have already seen a marked
difference in both my dogs over the past week and a half...
they are better behaved and happier. When I talk to them,
their ears go up. My Dal no longer growls at me, does not
chew when I leave the house anymore, and comes running when
I call.
-------------------
> TRAINING (did I say training?).
Yeah... that's what you said to "interested in
hearing" but YOU DIDN'T KNOW HOWE, REMEMBER JANET?
From: "Rhiannon" <rhian...@idirect.com>
Date: 2000/06/17
Subject: Re: The Positively Puerile Movement Costs Dogs' Lives
"Mr. Smiley" <rain...@thebridge.com> wrote in message
news:nokiks0mgid69l1ff...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:12:20 GMT, "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >Right. The drop on recall must be taught by slamming the dog into the
> >ground with the leash under your heel on a pronged choke collar...
> >Jerry.
> Don't forget the old Koehler trick of wearing boots with elevated
> heels so you can pass the leash under your foot and yank STRAIGHT UP
> with lots of force. I saw a poor doggy get a broken jaw from that
> little Koehler trick.
> The cretin just yanked straight up and the doggy's face went straight
> down to the pavement and cracked. Of course, the doggy yelped and
> screamed, but the Koehlerite trainer just said he was "being a baby."
> The sad part is that the student and his dog came back for more
> lessons. Very sick.
> Hoppy
My God, that's horrible. The very idea makes my skin crawl. Did the
trainer, after claiming he was being a baby, realize the dog was
injured?
Do you know if anything was done about it? If that happened here where
I
live and was reported, trainer and owner would have faced two years in
jail
and no contact with animals for five years.
Rhiannon
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/05/26
Subject: Re: Interested in hearing opinions on biting dog
Yup. When they asked me what *I* would do, if it were *MY*
dog, I told them it would have never gotten to this point!
It's very clear that this dog makes his own choices, and
"starting over" just isn't possible. I know what I've
told them, they basically have 2 choices, but can they
ever feel this dog is safe to have around people? I
wouldn't. Especially not small people - they rely on
for protection.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Second-hand dogs AREN'T second-rate"
------------
> You need IN PERSON HELP
You mean like HOWE you gave YOUR STUDENT Nessa
and that little DEAD DOG in "interested in hearing":
> TO JANET IN PARTICULAR
> As a trainer, it's not your job to be consulting
> people to kill their dog.
********
Hey Mikey - "kill the dog" is one of their options.
Their only choice if they aren't willing to work with the dog
to a sufficient level. They can: work with the dog to the
level necessary (high); confine the dog 24/7; euthanize the dog.
Those are THEIR CHOICES. Nothing else is sufficient. I'm
not making the choice for them - they are presented with the
options and have to choose for themselves.
> You have absolutely no business consulting people to kill
> their dogs.
********
I don't tell anyone to kill their dog.
I present options. They have to choose.
>If anybody does, it's a lawyer...your job, incase you forget:
> is to TRAIN THE DAMN DOG
********
No, it isn't. It's to help the OWNER train the dog. I don't live
with the dog - THEY do. The dog needs to respect THEIR commands,
not mine.
> Leave the idea of the killing of the dog totally to the owners.
********
As I have.
> If you don't think you can train the dog, then just
> tell them you don't think you can train the dog. Don't tell
> them to kill the dog because you don't think you can train
> the dog. Somebody else might be able to.
*******
The point you're missing here Mikey, is that THEY need to train the
dog, with help. They have to be WILLING to train the dog. They have
to be
WILLING to follow through. That means that everyone in the household
needs to
be able to command the dog and have 100% compliance, and if not, be
willing to
confine the dog if they are the only ones present. Allowing the dog to
have
yard freedom with the IF will never be an appropriate option - if the
owner
can't live with that, that is THEIR choice.
> It's called a watchdog....
********
A "watchdog" is supposed to alert. A "watchdog" is supposed to comply
with their owner's acceptance of a person on the property. A dog who
makes
these choices for himself, regardless of what the owner is indicating,
is a
dangerous animal, not "something prized, a good thing".
> With a little work, this dog has all the makings to be a
> great watchdog. A dog who knows not to bite or attack any
> family member, or anyone else, without a damn good reason
> (and yes, contrary to popular HYPOCOW beliefs, there are
> such things as a good reason for a dog to bite).
> A dog who knows how to stay for an hour or more if
> necessary, no matter what is going on around him..... A dog
> who is safe with friends and family, yet who remains a
> deterrent to any trespassers. A much safer deterrent for
> families, than a common option (a gun) is.
********
To disagree - it would take a LOT of work. Work that the OWNERS need
to be willing to do. The ball is in their court. Don't blame
trainers/counselors for a dog's death - blame the owners who should
have paid
more attention a whole lot earlier, and nipped this problem fast,
before it
became one. As I said in another post - the dog would have never
gotten to
this point in my home........
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
"Second-hand dogs AREN'T second-rate"
-------------
> not drugs for stress.
The herbal remedies CERTAINLY CAN'T HURT like JERKING
and CHOKING and SHOCKING and MURDErIN IT like HOWE you
done to them other DEAD DOGS you "TRAINED" REMEMBER
janet?:
From: j1b...@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/05/26
Subject: Interested in hearing opinions on biting dog
Here's the situation:
2 year old hound mix (beagle/soemthing larger?). Male.
Neutered at age 6 months. Owned by couple who entertain
frequently, have 4 grown children, 4 grandchildren (soon
to be 5).
Dog has "Invisible Fence" system. The dog is rarely left
out while nobody is home, but can come and go through open
door when they are home. Dog has shown territorial aggression,
and has bitten both people and dogs. Dog will bite guests
in the home, often without warning after they've been there
a while, other times, direct attack when they attempt to
enter the home when welcomed by owners. Owners spend their
time shuffling dog to various areas to keep him away from guests.
I.F. is indoors as well - dog is restricted to family room,
kitchen, sun room. Workers (lawn, gas meter readers, repair
people) cannot be exposed to dog - dog will bite.
Veterinarian reluctant to handle dog - dog will bite. Dog
routinely mounts grandchildren but has not growled at or
bitten them. Attempts to remove dog from children have been
uneffective. Owners admit to being afraid of dog at times,
and would not grab his collar if he was going after someone.
My meeting with dog - dog barked initially and stayed within
his IF boundaries, relaxing after a few moments of me ignoring
him.
Owner and myself took walk to get the dog used to me. Dog
eyed me suspiciously the entire time, and snarled with hackles
up if I made eye contact. Would not take treats from me directly,
but ate those tossed to him. Ignored me if I ignored him and kept
a distance.
Before I say anything about what my recommendations and outlined
options to the owners were, I'd like to hear non-rambling opinions
of what approach any of you (well, almost any of you....) would take.
Unless you can answer in a polite and clear way, please don't
bother (this leaves filtered posters out, so please don't quote
them if they respond - I'm not interested in their opinions).
Thanks in advance - I'd love to hear other opinions on this dog.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Mary Beth
> Hi,
> We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
> Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
> He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums.
I second the motion to get TRAINING, mainly a professional trainer, ONE on
ONE, not in a class....yet.
This way they can, hopefully, read the situation much better, they can be
hired to work with you personally for as long as you require, or at least
tell you whether this dog is for you or not.
No, I'm not in any way saying the dog ought to be disposable, but sometimes
it's better all around to find a good match. The behaviorist/pro trainer can
help you decide if you really have the drive to keep up with the training.
(They will train *you* how to teach the dog.)
Thanks for adopting this dog, and I hope all works out well all around. :)
All of my pets have been 'rescues' of sorts.
All the best wishes for your new addition. :)
MaryBeth
Rudy, Ceilidh AKA Boo, Zack(aroni), HannahBean and Mrs. Peeps AKA Piper
MarshallDerm...@muchomail.com
Nice to see you've finally been released from the
state secure mental heelth care facility after only
two years in HOWES treatment <{); ~ ) >
We've ALL missed you advising folks HOWE to fit their
pronged spiked pinch choke collars and murder innocent
defenseless dumb critters for simple behavior problems
which can be REHABILITATE NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply
DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE
you lying dog abusing punk thug coward active acute
chronic long term incurable mental cases treat your
own fearful hyperactive critters <{): ~ ) >
Mary Beth wrote:
> > Hi,
> > We have a 3 year old lab-retreiver cross.
> > Its been 3 months + since he's been with me.
> > He was/is a pretty aggressive dog and has these temper tantrums.
>
> I second the motion to get TRAINING,
Are you referring to michael's post? mikey works in
a RESCUE SHELTER MURDERIN innocent defeneless dumb
critters on accHOWENT of THAT'S the ONLY work he's
able to do on accHOWENT of his mental heelth problems.
> mainly a professional trainer,
Oh? You mean like your pal janet boss. Your former
mental ward mate leah has not been postin for a long
while but she's be THRILLED to try gettin bit a few
times by a dog like this just as michael would.
> ONE on ONE,
You mean like your psychotherapy, marybeth?
> not in a class....
You mean like your group therapy, marybeth?
> yet.
Do you really think you should be EXXXPOSING yourself to this
kinda PUNISHMENT, marybeth? What does your P doc think abHOWET
you comin back to this self heelp group therapy?
"Psychiatry has yet to validate a single psychiatric
condition/diagnosis as an abornality/disease, or as
anything 'neurological', 'biological', 'chemically
imbalanced' or 'genetic'." Dr. Fred A. Baughman,
Neurologist.
> This way they can, hopefully, read the situation much better,
WHAAAT "READ" marybeth? WHAAAT "HOPEFULLY", marybeth?
OH! You mean LIKE THIS!:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
>
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
You think the SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR is SHEER LUCK???
> they can be hired to work with you personally for as long as you require,
You mean like your own Pdoc, marybeth? Or did you mean like
HOWE your punk thug coward pal janet and her pal sinofabitch
worked with Nessa for THREE YEARS jerkin chokin shockin and
lockin IT in the crapper till IT till IT turned on her?
> or at least tell you whether this dog is for you or not.
You mean, if they should MURDER the dog, marybeth. Hey?
Remember when your punk thug coward mental case pal janet
GOT MAAAD at "Kind2Dogs" "TOO MANY NO KILL SHELTERS" nolan
for OFFERIN to take nessa's dogs to her shelter *(INSTEAD
of lettin janet's SHELTER MURDER THEM) on accHOWENT of
ETHICKAL SHELTER / RESCUE organizations DO NOT REHOWES
owner aggressive dogs?
Of curse, "kind2dogs" was fixin to MURDER nessa's dogs
and just LIE to her that she "got them nice HOWESES"
on accHOWENT of THAT'S the KIND thing to do <{): * ~ ( >
> No, I'm not in any way saying the dog ought to be disposable,
BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU MEAN when a dog CANNOT be REHABILITATED:
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection
of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a
given moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not
outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
> but sometimes it's better all around to find a good match.
You mean AFTER MURDERIN the dog you can't bribe choke shock
and intimidate into TRUSTING you, marybeth <{): ~ ( >
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant
behavior of children can be achieved through brief,
simple educative routines with their mothers which
modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the
child (Whaler, 1966).
Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need
for child THERAPY through changing the clinical
emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the
child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite
severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated
in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents
temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
"Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic children
improved enough to go to school without "anything that is
regarded as good psychotherapy or as psychotherapy at all..."
Autistic children have been known to become permenantely
social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the parents,
BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments,and by MASSIVE
DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE THE
REJECTION OF THE CHILD. My case, Larry, (vonHilsheimer,
965), demonstrates a recovery by using the mother as an
autistic boy's teacher in an open millieu.
It is curiHOWES that the operant technicians provide as
few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE controls for thier "research"
as the Freudians."
> The behaviorist/pro trainer can help you decide if you
> really have the drive to keep up with the training.
You mean using months of confinement bribery choking
shocking and weekly classes and daily trainin, kinda
like your own UNSUCCESSFUL psychotheraputic attempts
in state run secure mental heelth facilities, marybeth?
> (They will train *you* how to teach the dog.)
Oh?? You mean LIKE THIS?:
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
immediately deteriorated.
Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant
programers."
> Thanks for adopting this dog,
INDEEDY! Thank YOU for THANKING her for RESCUING this dog!
> and I hope all works out well all around. :)
YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?:
"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
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AND LIKE THIS:
"Zack Pellers" <ZackPell...@GUESSWHERE.cc>
wrote in message
dlin...@towson.edu (Derek) wrote in news:
697700b8.0405202039.5c737...@posting.google.com:
Your dog needs to be retrained. Contact Mr. Jerry Howe.
http://www.DoggyDoRight.com
You can start by downloading the free training manual
available on the site above. I used it on my 4 year old
Fila Brasileiro.
When I first brought him home from rescue, he was
similar to the way you decribed your dog. After using
Mr. Howe's training method, the dog was cured within
72 hours.
-Jack
==============
> >> A shake can would probably give her a heart attack.
NOT if you've FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS in your
FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >
IT'LL WORK BETTER THAN FREAKIN MAGICK.
LIKE THIS:
From: Eric
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone
who beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
==========================
AND THIS:
Subject: Re: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID: uim43blqq1h...@corp.supernews.com
Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.
I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.
Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).
That's in about a week's time.
Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).
She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!
Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.
(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)
Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger: m...@crneckiy.com
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227
> All of my pets have been 'rescues' of sorts.
INDEED?
> All the best wishes for your new addition. :)
If you want the BEAST for her dog you wouldn't post here, marybeth:
======================
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> MaryBeth
> Rudy, Ceilidh AKA Boo, Zack(aroni), HannahBean and Mrs. Peeps AKA Piper
Michael Further Explains
The Mental Illness List
In the past, before Michael fixed things, this was a
way to shut people up and discredit people. Calling
them mentally ill. shelly told us not to even talk
to the mentally ill.
But it turned out most of the people doing the
accusing and finger pointing and "you better take
your meds" etc... were mentally ill themselves.
That's a huge story, and I SCOOPED IT.
MaryBeth for instance, was constantly telling
people to take their meds. Once I started to
do a little research, the floodgates opened
and an amazing story unfolded.
===============
MaryBeth
FMVP (former most valuable psycho)
(super psycho bitch
lunatic queen of the
mentally fucked in
the head)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid,
MaryBeth has suffered from or been:
TIDAL WAVES OF PMS
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
I RAN OVER EVERYONE IN MY PATH
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
DON'T TAKE ULTRAM AND ZOLOFT TOGETHER
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
--MaryBeth
ME NOT SO HORNY
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."
--MaryBeth
NEW TO GROUP
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling
like herself> <G>
WASTED 10 YEARS
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
WAS HORRIBLE
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"
--MaryBeth
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes:
>In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu> tami sutherland
><suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>> However, there have been incidences where she has
>> growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
>> were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
> pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
> sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
> her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
> If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
> will have to find another way to administer a prompt
> correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
> pennies, or a tug on the collar.
--Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
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<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
Robert Crim writes:
>Terri
===========
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology