I'm shocked that I shocked
Tara O.
decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn
that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I
also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me
to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know
*how* to use an e-collar....assuming I had one which must have been stolen
at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy
with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not.
--
Tara
Grainne Gillespie
reading his crap (that stinks even more than the eye-blistering snake poo I
smelled once at a meeting of the irish herpatological society) that he's
just a troll who knows NOTHING about the training of dogs.
Tara O.
news:1pXZa.27019$pK2....@news.indigo.ie...
We all know what & who he is although I disagree that he's "just" a troll.
He's been here for a very long time and does not go away or get bored. Once
in a while I check to see if he's still tossing my name around, which he is.
That isn't a big deal as I'm thoroughly used to it but this is the first
time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally his
style. He generally tries to stick to things he can pull out of the
archives as "facts" (even though they rarely are but it helps to cover his
butt when he's reported). He's got plenty of facts on my past to use, as he
frequently does, but in this case what he said is actionable. Since he
keeps such excellent records on all the regulars, I find it interesting that
he's slipped in this way.
--
Tara
michael
Tara O. wrote:
> "Grainne Gillespie" <demo...@eircom.net> wrote in message
> news:1pXZa.27019$pK2....@news.indigo.ie...
>
>>Why do you even care what he posts? It's obvious from just two days of
>>reading his crap (that stinks even more than the eye-blistering snake poo
>
> I
>
>>smelled once at a meeting of the irish herpatological society) that he's
>>just a troll who knows NOTHING about the training of dogs.
>
>
> We all know what & who he is although I disagree that he's "just" a troll.
> He's been here for a very long time and does not go away or get bored. Once
> in a while I check to see if he's still tossing my name around, which he is.
> That isn't a big deal as I'm thoroughly used to it but this is the first
> time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally his
> style. He generally tries to stick to things he can pull out of the
> archives as "facts"
Here's a fact on you.
You murdered your easily trainable dog, Summer, out of fear and
incompetence and then you lied to your daughter about why you had to
kill her dog.
Here's some other easily trainable dogs which were murdered by another
one of our local "dog rescuers"
Hello fans,
here's a great story of someone killing a great dog:
----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------
Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women
[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]
into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.
Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."
[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note
We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.
She was put down.
[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note
Lynn K.
---------------------------------------------
MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS
LYNN K. "I'LL PUT DOWN A BITER AS FAST AS ANYONE"
==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================
"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.
-----------------------------
"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.
------------------------------
No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.
Lynn K.
--------------------------
Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women
[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]
into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.
Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."
[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note
We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.
She was put down.
[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note
Lynn K.
---------------------------
"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.
The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."
Lynn K.
[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.
The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note
-----------------------------
Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.
Lynn K.
[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.
In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.
Lynn K.
--
[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"
ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
----------------------------------------
The Puppy Wizard
You didn't hurt and kill Summer.
Date: 2003-04-28 18:09:04 PST
> "Tara O." wrote:
>
> >Labs are a breed that are normally trained for field work with ear
> > pinches, e-collars and other forms of physical interaction without
making
> > them fearful or aggressive.
>
==============
From: Tara O. (tara...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Dane hyper when passing other dogs
Date: 2001-04-21 12:07:54 PST
I think its pertinent to mention that I've never had any dogs who exhibited
signs of aggression or were in any way, shape, or form resistent to whatever
"training" I did with them.
I would not feel comfortable relying on my past experience or a book to
train a dog to stop biting, snapping or growling.
--
Tara O.
===================
From: Tara O. (tara...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Canine Behaviors For Dummies
Date: 2001-06-11 19:42:23 PST
"joshua" <jos...@ycsi.net> wrote in message
news:9g3uoi$sc7$0...@63.90.193.133...
> I cant seem to understand why people believe prong collars are cruel and
> inhumane. They do nothing more than pinch, getting the attention of the
> animal.
>
> Choke collars, on the other hand, do permanent damage. They bruise the
> esophagus.
>
> Shock collars will eventually destroy nerve endings, much the same as
> electric fencing.
>
> Get it straight people.
Joshua, you have just reopened a can of worms that can quickly cause
infestation
here lol
--
Tara O.
===============
From: Tara O. (tara...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: jerry howe
Date: 2001-04-04 11:58:06 PST
> People are tired of being abused and insulted simply for saying they
> use a prong collar, or a choke collar, or an e-collar, or a crate,
> etc. If you want to LEARN more about dog training and dog behavior,
> then listen to what they have to say, too.
"I've never not listened to what people say here. I use a crate, am about
to
begin with a choke collar, I'm not the bad guy here." tara o.
======================
From: Tara O. (tara...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Electronic Training Collars
Date: 2001-05-11 17:29:33 PST
""Twzl, Sligo and Roy Happy Together"" wrote
>
> BTW, this is one of the frequent topics on obedience email lists. When
> people say that they haven't used corrections, it turns out that they feel
> that if they do it, it's not a real correction.
:)
That makes sense in a weird sort of way. I don't
honestly think that its humanly possible to train
anyone or anything without correction. Its human
nature to say 'no' or to stop a behavior by doing
something. I used a tin can with coins to correct
Summer's bad puppy behaviors and the cold shoulder
to correct her other less desirable behaviors. I
have said 'no' so many times that I probably sound
like a broken record. Amie can attest to that
lol.
It seems to me that some people are automatically
equating the term correction with punishment. I
guess they can go hand in hand since my tin can
wasn't something Summer liked. My ignoring her
when she's misbehaving is also something she
doesn't like. Therefore it can be viewed as
punishment? And that term is 100% negative.
Maybe if more people saw it as correction and not
the total negative, they'd be less inclined to
want to be PP.
Don't know if the way I wrote that made sense, it
makes sense in my head but then again the men with
the white coats could come a'knockin at any
moment.
Tara O.
===================
From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Any hope? rage?
Date: 2003-03-26 05:46:02 PST
Yes I see and understand your point. There's no such thing as 100%
vigilence 100% of the time IMO. You could call an e-fence company to find
out if its possible to wire only your front door so that if she gets within
a certain range of that front door the collar will start working. I'd think
there would be a way to work that and it may be inexpensive to do so.
There are also items called Scat Mats that you place in front of doors or
any area you don't want your dog to proceed through. When stepping on the
mat, it gives off a vibration, something which most dogs hate. They'll stay
far away from the mats. I believe you can buy them from
--
Tara
==================
Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Need advice--barking dog
Date: 2003-08-06 17:38:14 PST
you could consider installing an invisible fence just inside the fence
line so he cannot get too close. You could talk to your neighbor about
splitting the cost of whichever alternative you both find most acceptable.
--
Tara
=================
From: Tara O. (nos...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Containment Collars
Date: 2003-03-11 07:12:57 PST
I know people who have electric fences and it works very well for them. I
know people who have them and whose dogs escape and refuse to come back in.
From the details I know of all involved, I wouldn't use an e-fence on:
1. An adult dog that wasn't raised with the fence from a puppy
2. A dog with a high prey drive
3. A very stubborn dog
If I put my female out in an e-fence, the very first kid, cat, dog or
squirrel she sees would have her bolting through the barrier shock or not.
When she finally loses interest in whatever has caused her to leave and her
adrenalin has diminished, she will think rationally and realize she's not
willing to come back into the yard because she knows the shock would get
her. If you have a dog who just has to go after or up to any and everything
that walks down the street then I'd definitely not recommend one of these
systems. The people I know who it works for installed them when their dogs
were pups so they were brought up trained to it. Two of the ones I know it
didn't work for have adult adopted dogs who weren't raised with this kind of
invisible barrier.
===================
Search Result 58
From: Tara O. (tara...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: escape artist, thunder, aggression questions
Date: 2001-05-12 07:56:04 PST
Since he got a taste of freedom and knows he can
get out I doubt you'll be able to stop him short
of tethering him or using a more sophisticated
device like an e-fence but I wouldn't recommend
going the electronic fence route without first
doing your homework on the pros and cons of them
and understand that they are not fool-proof.
=========================
MacKenzie's First Pinch Collar Class
Date: 2003-07-08 13:54:19 PST
I consider myself to be a pretty
good basic obed. trainer of Boxers with some learned but not necessarily
practiced, advanced training knowledge. I think this because not only have
I worked with all the dogs I've had at my house but I'm also the one in
charge of all the dogs in our rescue, their behavioral issues (identifying
and working with), basic training (done in the foster home) and a host of
other things. I'm the one who gives the advice and walks the foster
volunteers through alot of things. Now I don't believe, for a second, that
I would be successful at teaching basic obedience to other dogs in a class
environment. Maybe I would but probably not. Other trainers with class
experience may think I have no clue what I'm doing because my experience has
been primarily hands-on and with only one breed.
=========================
"Tara O." <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh9f81$vrac2$1...@ID-92443.news.uni-berlin.de...
Sionnach
> in a while I check to see if he's still tossing my name around, which he
is.
> That isn't a big deal as I'm thoroughly used to it but this is the first
> time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally his
> style.
Say WHAT? It most certainly is his style, and has been for a long time.
How long ago did you KF him?
--
Sarah
Brenin, CGC, AD, O-EAC-V, O-EJC-V, EGC
Gwydion, Handy Cat
Morag Thistledown, Novice Triple Superior, S-OAC, S-OJC, O-OGC, EJC
Robyn Meezer, Inspector of Human Activity
Rocsi Cadarn, S-NJC, NAC, NGTG, OGTG
we can be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs1
and http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs2
Tara O.
news:bh9mt7$v709s$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >Once
> > in a while I check to see if he's still tossing my name around, which he
> is.
> > That isn't a big deal as I'm thoroughly used to it but this is the first
> > time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally
his
> > style.
>
> Say WHAT? It most certainly is his style, and has been for a long time.
> How long ago did you KF him?
I think it was about 2 years ago. I see his posts now & then because new
people follow-up to him but until now, he hasn't totally made things up
about me. Most of what he says can be found in the archives. He definitely
loves to take things out of context but I thought that normally what he
says...even though totally out of context...could be found in the archives.
That's what stood out...not the shocking in and of itself as he says much
worse about me. There's never been a single word typed by me that could
even insinuate that I've ever used an e-collar. I don't think I'm phrasing
this quite right but its not a matter of me being offended...something just
struck me as being off from his normal behavior. Then again maybe he's just
refrained from total fabrication when he talks about me in the past. Dunno.
--
Tara
Rocky
> Then again maybe he's just
> refrained from total fabrication when he talks about me in
> the past.
That's what I thought until he did.
Anyway, Howe will/might only go away when discussions about him
end. Yes, I'm contributing, but I claim amazement that a
regular started a Howe thread.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Lynn K.
>
> time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally his
> style.
Huh!?! Believe me, it's very much his style!
I think his little library of rants has gotten so convoluted and messy
that he know longer can find his own way through it and is reduced to
repeating his own fantasy hyperbole as fact. Either that or his
terrible comprehension problem now extends to even stuff he himself
has written.
Lynn K.
The Puppy Wizard
"Rocky" <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D4E958D3593australianshepherdca@IP...
Here's a sample of HOWER DOG LOVERS:
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me. I volunteered
as assistant to the euthanasia tech at our local shelter
for a while, and I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with responsible
breeders, because responsible breeders don't contribute
to that problem," Mustang Sally.
> lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
> For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
> pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
> When he barks, use the line for a correction.
>
>>- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
>>
>>Lynn K.
>
> ================
>
>>lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
>> depression) will "put down a biter
>> as fast as anyone" yet claims to
>> be a saintly dog rescuer
>
>>Lynn K. wrote:
>>
>>"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
>>one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
>>schedules and duties causes a great deal of
>>scheduling overhead.
>>
>>And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
>>volunteers get the meaningful experience that
>>they work for.
>>
>>Someone has to be responsible for that
>>Volunteer Program, and it is best done
>>by a non-volunteer."
>>
>>Lynn K.
>>---------------------------------
>>
>>"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
>>every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
>>effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
>>older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
>>
>>Should I have refused to groom them?
>>
>>Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
>>had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
>>
>>Lynn K.
>>--------------------------------------
> I'll be you've never had to put down litters of
> beautiful labrador puppies? If you had did, maybe
> you'd be singing a different tune?
"Actually, have held them for the tech to euth, and
put their bodies in the trash bag and in the freezer
for the trash company to come and dispose of.
No different tune," ~Emily
Are those MENTAL CASES, or NOT? Here's MOORE:
RPD* Mentally Ill AllStaRz as of 7/4/03
-----------------------------------------------
MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's only
fair that we have an accurate list of who is and who isn't
mentally ill, so that we can avoid any misunderstandings
and promote group harmony.
Updated list as of 7/04/2003:
list of confirmed or suspected mentally ill (crazy) Regulars
Most of whom are women or homosexuals
=======================================
MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
(super psycho results at several large pharmaceutical corps
bitch lunatic has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
queen of the drug treatment in the book, and then some:
mentally fucked prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
in the head effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid,
has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of PMS,
mood swings, turned into a hermit, bloated,
just real angry, hubby afraid of her, high
blood pressure, divorced, "raving bitch"
"zoloft zombie" for four years, "living
through layers and layers of gauze," chain
smoker, buzzing, weight gain, fatigue,
terrible dry mouth, dull headaches, fuzzy
brain, lack of concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you name
it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds, especially
on a long term basis, and it's not pretty.
You become another person, if it's not the
correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for menopause."
--MaryBeth
"I noticed that antidepressants cut libido
into the dead zone and I had no real emotions,
like not laughing at funny stuff, couldn't cry
either.....except about my suicidal thoughts
(but at the time I thought there was no other
way out)."
--MaryBeth
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid today.
I talked with RE and pharmacist re: zoloft (50
mg daily) and ineraction with Clomid. They
reported none. Not sure about the prozac tho.
Gonna poat a new message to intorduce
myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself> <G>
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and lost
many many treasured ppl and things. Please
don't do the same. (((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse and
worse. They put me on meds for it, and all
along kept telling me to wait on the TKR, as
'it really wasn't that bad.....yet". HA!"
The depression got so bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve gone
thru"
--MaryBeth
Theresa Willis (paxil, depression, robot displacement)
shelly couvrette OCD, depression, drugs to be named later
(familial mental illness, possibly related
to family bed) obsessively starves her
dogs according to friends, family,
strangers and 3 different vets, but
not herself
lynn kosmakos (Lithium, Zoloft, bipolar, manic,
depression) will "put down a biter
as fast as anyone" yet claims to
be a saintly dog rescuer
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems
Tara Green was on antidepressants for a few years
prior to her marriage. During her
marriage, she learned a lot:
"With the therapist I saw during my
marriage I learned that some
situational depressions are masked as chemical
simply because of our too human ability
to prolong the impact of the causal
situations indefinitely"
Sounds like more denial, see leah
Tara is also a drunk who has also had
problems with other substances
TARA on being a drunk/substance abuser:
"Tara (who had some problems with quite a
few substances as well, but who thinks they
are separate issues.....so which camp does
that put me in???)"
"Believe it or not, some people don't have
a problem with drugs even though they are
alcoholics. I'm not one of
those people, but they do exist."
aka, tara has problems with both
Kevin Michael various mental illness drugs, started with
Vail zoloft, didn't like that, then went to
antidepressant, stopped after sufficent
side effects, now on SSRI and in therapy
Furpaw (SSRI, cognitive therapy)
Chris Jung (Prozac and Welbutrin, cognitive therapy)
Charlie Wilkes drugged out, crazy, fucked up all his
life, Christ the shit he's been through
including psych wards and electroshock
treatments but now pulling down major cash
as a business consultant. Triumphing over
adversity, with a damn good life and a
well trained dog (very much unlike Leah)
Karen DuChateaux suffered from clinical depression for years
aka Karibear until some drug or something brought her out
of it. Some of her best friends "are
certifiable" and have various degrees of
psychoses. Familial mental disability.
Refuses to say whether or not she is
currently using drug or cognitive therapy
for mental illness.
Mike "DumbOxDumb" threatened non violent dog expert Jerry Howe
Dufort (pending) with Mike's fully armed US Army Platoon.
Threatened to bring his platoon to Jerry's
HOWSE. also OCD (obsessed with Jerry's posts)
Jim Sabatke Jim is currently on Effexor which he takes
because of his depression/mental problems.
Like many of our mental cases, Jim has had
trouble finding the right med(s) to keep him
from going kuckoo!! kuckoooo!!! or getting
the "brain shivers"
From: Jim Sabatke (jsab...@execpc.com)
Subject: Re: anyone using Effexor?
alt.support.depression.medication
Date: 2002-11-29 20:25:16 PST
EFFEXOR
"I'm on 375 mg/day and it has worked
wonders for me. The only down side is
that my blood pressure has elevated
somewhat; oh and if I miss a dose by a
couple of hours the "brain shivers" can
be really bad.
Good luck!
Jim"
"I switched from Paxil to Effexor about
5 months ago. I tapered off of the Paxil
and tapered onto the Effexor at the same
time."
Jim
"After several years on Effexor IR, my
pdoc tried switching me to XR. I
experienced fairly severe Effexor
withdrawel until I went back to the IR."
Jim
<YOUR NAME GOES HERE>
(please proudly add your name and the drugs/disorders
specific to you, if you are also mentally ill). If we all come
forward, we can help each other with our problems.
Remember, mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of.
It's not your fault if you have a defective brain which
may cause you to act like an extreme hypocrite and/or
idiot and/or robot without your being aware of it).
Also, please notify us if you are *not* mentally ill, and
have been added to this by mistake, so we can make
our corrections and remove you from the crazy person list.
--
mental health weekly
===========================================
Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of
your palm.
"BethF" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
news:ugc7us3...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Frank" <flma...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.02061...@posting.google.com...
> > dfrnt...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
news:<20020610173326...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" bri...@attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
:
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
:
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
:
> > All of it?
:
> > Ear pinching?
:
> > Shock collars?
:
> > Spiked chokers?
:
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1...@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43...@earthlink.net>
rhur...@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from
> Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its
face for 5
seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog makes his
grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is suspended
in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) >
The Puppy Wizard
Or kids...
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Subject: Re: Discipline
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500
From: Amanda <ama...@dcfwatch.com>
To:
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote:
i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one :) i'm not the
expert.. mr. howe is teaching me.. and im figuring alot out.. plus its just
coming to me.. two months ago i would cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i
go ahead and live it... like he gave me just enough for my brain to fill in
the rest?
when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got crunchy this
last
year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil bit of fear in yo' momma is what i
would say.. and my family supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive.
then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase you guys and
others did it wihtout spanking.. better than me... but i would still say i
just have bad kids.. then i started feeling guilty.. asked for help.. got
some advice and it worked some.. but not much.. enought o make me
think i did it.. then it wouldn't help..
then i heard him tell someone on the news group"Do you think hitting
babies is intelligent" and i was like whoa.. now i feel like cocka and pray
every time i distract them that they can somehow grow up not to hate me..
and i pray i caugh myself in enough time.
> Could you possibly be a little more specific about what you do? How
>
> you implement this? I have spanked, I look at each time as a failure
> on my part, either in communication, or not reading the kids
> correctly or in time to head off a meltdown. IT's almost always been
> out of frustrtation. It's not something I want to do. I would really
> be interested in hearing more about exactly how this works...
> N
>
>
>
> --- In Amanda <amanda@d...> > wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T wrote:
>
> I was and always have been a spanker. It is all i knew how.. i
> never, ever wanted to be.. but i was. my house/kids were out of
> control.. i was always stressed. Since he and his wife came down
> sunday we've had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't
> destroy my house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed coloring
> waiting for us to wake up... this is the first time she ever used paper
:)
> she usually does walls, furniture.
>
> Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works. I have a 6 yo,
> 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very bad-a$$ 19 month old. They
> are all smarter than I am and know it :)
> There has not been a temper tantrum in two days in my house.
> You guys have no idea how great this is. But best of all.. this
> method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of that is in any way
> short of absolute praise.. no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada..
>
> ONLY praise.
>
> They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say so.. (my
> oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for candy.. it's been done
twice
> and i keep taking em out) and now the bag of blow pops i forget on the
floor
> in my closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there and NO ONE
> has eaten one!
> My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby took my
> lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up! first time! They don't
> even go out the open door without my offering it! they helped me sort
> laundry.. clean the living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt
> from the fridge and walked to our kitchen table, sat down and ate it..
she
> REFUSES to sit at the table and eat!
>
> We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so> when they're climbing
> on my couch.. i go Can you show me how you sit pretyt??
>
> > and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
> on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost fell over.. thanks
for
> reminding me to share my joy! I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol!
> here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!!
>
> > how old is your bub amanda? waht's the bub doing?/
>
--
Preserving Families One Day at a Time
http://www.dcfwatch.com
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will
reach to himself. -- 1776 From the American Crisis by Thomas Jefferson
--
Preserving Families One Day at a Time
http://www.dcfwatch.com
He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
will
reach to himself. -- 1776 From the American Crisis by Thomas Jefferson
The Puppy Wizard
Or kids:
The Puppy Wizard
"Lynn K." <jav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37cd72a9.03081...@posting.google.com...
Our pal lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn stutters:
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats?
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:
'This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue'
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20
ging...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly
with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the
correction must be physically very strong - not a nag. (PS:
not many dogs need to be corrected at all).
"Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:<SlDg7.10491$V7.3...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com>...
> You jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch choke
> collars to make them friendly with their house kats, just
> like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn does.
What are you talking about, you lying sack of dung?
You keep talking about some photo on "my" website related to
dogs and cats. I don't have a clue where you dreamt that up.
There IS an article about introducing dogs to cats at
www.sfgsrescue.org - hardly my website - but there are no
photos with humans at that site. And the article is clearly
attributed to the author, who isn't me. When have I ever said
anything about using a prong collar, or any collar correction
at all, to make dogs friendly to house cats? Don't bother.
The answer is never.
And I did say "I love Koehler", in reference to the passage he
wrote about the damage foggy-headed trainers like you do.
Specifically.
Lynn K.
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
View complete thread (6 articles)
Date: 1999/11/20
ging...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
4) Shut the dog in its crate and allow the cat(s) out
hopefully to walk past the dog crate. If the dog barks or
lunges within the crate, the dog is verbally corrected.
Make sure that the cats are in another room behind a closed
door before letting the dog have its time out of the crate.
I'm not talking about keeping the dog in the crate all the
time, it's more keeping the cats in another room most of the
time.
The dog is crated while the cats are out, and then let out of
the crate for most of the time. This may take several days or
weeks to accomplish. It depends on how quickly the cat comes
around to the dog's crate area (which should be with the
family).
5) Do not comfort, pet or fuss over the cats where the dog
can see it from his crate. Especially don't do this after the
dog has barked or lunged at the cat. Correct only the dog.
This is because you do not want the dog to see the cat as your
possession.
6) Accustom the dog to a muzzle while it is hanging out in its
crate. It will be muzzled when it goes to the vet or is
groomed (even if we don't see it, it happens), so this way the
dog is used to a muzzle. Leave it on for 10 - 15 minutes at a
time if it isn't hot. If it's hot, the dog must not be
muzzled because it can't pant. The muzzle is only a
temporary tool. But the muzzle must be used for the cat's
sake.
7) After 10-14 days where the dog does not bark or lunge at
the cat and the cat is comfortable walking around the crate,
it's show time!
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected strongly
with both your voice and the collar. This is important - the
correction must be physically very strong - not a nag. (PS:
not many dogs need to be corrected at all).
Do not correct the dog for sniffing at the cat. Sniffing is
very good and is to be encouraged. Attention barking is also
okay. The dog will feel any nervousness or tension of the
owner via the leash and feed off of it, so it's important to
be calm. That's also why the muzzle
is on the dog - the owner knows the cat is safe no matter
what. Do this for about 5-10 minutes at first, then put the
dog or cat away. Try to be observant to end the session while
both dog and cat are doing well. You can spin out the time
until it's an hour or so.
9) Each time the dog first sees the cat, it gets a food
treat. Cat = a cookie. If the dog is showing too much
interest in the cat (like scenting for it), distract the dog
by giving it something else to do, like a sit or heel with
praise for doing what you've told it to do rather than
automatically giving it a cookie.
You can't reward the dog for not chasing the cat but you can
reward it for doing something you've asked of it.
10) There is no playing ball, running or chasing about the
house, either by dogs, cats or humans while the dog and cat
are out together. This is because care needs to be taken to
see that the dog doesn't go into prey drive. This needs to
continue throughout this entire process.
11) Supervise the interaction and after 7-10 days where the
dog has not had to be corrected, the prong and leash control
can be eliminated. Even if you never had to correct the dog,
it's important to wait 7-10 days. Leave on the muzzle. The
dog and cat can not be left unsupervised. If the dog chases
the cat during this period, it's back to item #7.
Got Milk? BWWWWAHAHAHAAAAA!!! Get the
heel outta her you lying dog abusing Thug... Jerry.
The Puppy Wizard
HOWEDY lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
"Lynn K." <jav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Robin" <robina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:
> >
> > I'm
> > wondering what exactly were the requirements for this to
> > have been considered murder 2?
>
> I'm not a lawyer
That's too bad, on accHOWENT of you're a pathological liar,
and that would REALLY FOOL a judge and jury.
> and have no insight into
NUTHIN. That's HOWE COME YOU LIE!
> why the DA brought the charges he did.
Fancy THAT, you bein so close to the case, and all.
Perhaps you was too busy runnin the W Coast SAR
operations for the E Coast 911 disaster?
> My lay opinion
You mean, your opinion as a proven pathological liar
and dog abuser, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn?
> is that it was based on knowledge and
> disregard of the danger the dogs posed.
Well, that's not the CAUSE of the problem, lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
The Puppy Wizard can PROVE IN COURT that it was
simple MISHANDLING AS TAUGHT by DOG ABUSERS
like YOU and your PAL captain arthur haggerty and
company that PROVOKED the dog and PREVENTED
the handler from regaining control.
Just like HOWE Professora Daniel FOUND HOWET after
spending $5000.00 and SEVENTY HOWERS of PROFESSIONAL
TRAINING, and her dog Sunshine CONTINUED TO BECOME
MOORE and MOORE AGGRESSIVE... TILL SHE FHOWEND
The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual.
She CURED Sunshine's AGGRESSION LONG BEFORE
ever being blessed by meeting The Puppy Wizard in person,
OR HE'D NOT HAVE MET WITH HER.
The DEAL IS, The Puppy Wizard SPECIALIZES in CURING
temperament and behavior problems all over the Whole
Wild World from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid.
> The implication of the request to evaluate the
> dog that survived the day of the attack was that
> evidence of bite training would strengthen the
> evidence of that knowledge.
And you PROVED AGINST THE PROSECUTION
that asked you for otherWIZE, because YOU'RE
INCOMPETENT.
> Lynn K.
HERE'S MOORE PROOF:
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: What's BUGGING the "dog trainers" in R.P.D.B.???
WHY THE FLAMEWARS???
Date: 1999/08/22
Jerry Howe wrote:
>
> You mention flanking, and when I explain what it is actually is,
> you LIE and say you've never heard of it. You tried to say that
> it is the same as switching that you are talking about.
> The only switching is in your lies!
> You lie and say you've never seen flanking described.
Uhm, although you addressed this to Fred, I assume the above was
directed at me. Why on earth is it so difficult for you to believe that
someone who is not involved with protection training would not be
familiar with what "flanking" means in that venue?
I've said several times that I've only heard the term used to
describe what you call "switching" in Schutzhund.
So what?
Is the concept of someone admitting they don't know something so
foreign to you that you assume they are being deceptive?
For what possible purpose? Jerry, you're paranoid.
My ignorance in protection training has nothing to do with you.
It isn't all about you, believe it or not.
Lynn K.
==================================
BWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
HERE'S MOORE OF YOUR LIES AND DHOWEBLETALK!:
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From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Jerry---please explain
View: Complete Thread (388 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 1999/08/11
Jerry Howe wrote:
> Are you sure you are not lying again??? Cause I'm calling you a liar
> AGAIN...
Something that would bother me if there were any basis for it or
it came from someone I respected.
> I know that you know the difference between switching a dog and
> flanking a dog. I'm sure you'll find both switching and flanking in
> Koehler's book, just look a little harder??? Howe do you think anybody
> will ever believe anything you ever say, if you don't clean up your
> nasty habits?
I now know how the word "flanking" is used differently in the 2
arenas,
*(CARE TO EXPLAIN HOWE FLANKING IS "USED DIFFERENTLY"
IN ATTACK TRAINING?)
but why in the world do you insist it isn't used to mean
2 different things, particularly since it is clearly referenced in
print? That's just plain dumb. I've never seen the term "switching"
used. Striking, yes, switching, no. And none of those terms are
in Koehler's basic book.
*(RIGHT. THEY'RE IN HIS GUARD DOG TRAININ BOOK!)
I'm afraid you're going to have to cite your references,
*(The Puppy Wizard has NO NEED to cite reference,
just CITING YOUR LIES, are enough.)
instead of just making assumptions. (Just what
nasty habits do you think I have that I should change?)
*(YOUR LYING HABITS...)
> Oh, and about sportsmanship? You are right. I wouldn't know
> anything about it
*(The Puppy Wizard came here to EUTHANIZE you and your ILK.)
Then why do you persist in making statements about something you
admit you know nothing about?
*(Perhaps you're right, YOU are the EUTHANASIA SPECIALIST)
> When I get a dog to train, I don't have a choice about the dogs
> innate desire to work or not. It's my freaking job to make him want to
> work, regardless.
As far as I'm concerned, forcing a dog
*(WANT TO WORK was the operant term)
to do a job that is not consistent with his natural instincts
*(Like your selectively bred, hand picked and tested SAR
dog JIVE, who WON'T SAR cause YOU HURT HIM???)
and drives
*(EXXXPLAIN your "seven drives"???)
is one of the worst forms of abuse I can think of.
*(You're FINISHED in the dog business, lying
"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn)
Lynn K.
---------------------------
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkos...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Correction Date: 1999/05/05
Jerry Howe wrote:
> Therefore, switching or flanking a dog while he is agitated is not a good
> measure of his dependability in the face of pain.
>
> If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his protection
> training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a protection class,
> the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and he should have loose stools
> within two or three minutes of beginning the lesson.
Okay, we've already established that flanking would have no place
in your training of protection dogs, and I understand that you don't
feel it is a valid way to measure his dependability in the face of
pain. But I didn't really find an answer to my question - How do
you measure that dependability?
*(The Puppy Wizard's HIGH STAKES CHALLENGE to
FRAUDreck's national association of protection dog's
CHUMPion Maddy, will PROVE the point... lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn)
I understand what you don't do.
*(You mean, NOT HURTIN DOGS?)
I'm asking what it is that you do.
*(The Puppy Wizard's PRIMARY OCCUPATION
is PUTTIN YOU HOWETA BUSINESS!!!)
Lynn K.
---------------------
From: Lynn K. (jav...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Border collie bites again - how do you know that
a dog you have protection trained will hold a bite through
aversity or pain?
How do you proof that bite?
Date: 2001-07-25 01:24:47 PST
So, Jerry, I take it that you decline my offer to arrange a real
discussion of training methods I favor? If so, please refrain from
inventing a fantasy version of what you think those methods are.
I'm more than happy to openly discuss how I train without your spin.
Btw, you continue to shoot yourself in the logical foot. You dispute
that I was referring to the use of the baton when I used the word
"flanking", then reprint the original post where I clearly used the
word to mean exactly that.
Lynn K.
----Snippets of your post included below only to embarrass you ------
Jerry said:
> > > discussion came about as a result of YOU saying protection dogs
> > > NEED to be beaten and abused to make them aggressive, as in
> > > switching them *(a prerequisite in the 'shitshound' trial) and
> > > FLANKING them, a method most Thugs like YOU rely on (that
> > > means pulling the dog viciously by the flap of skin just forward of
> > > the rear legs), beating them about the face while muzzled or
> > > pulling their ears and tails.
--------------------
From: Jerry Howe (jho...@bellsouth.net)
Subject: Re: Border collie bites again - how do you know
that a dog you have protection trained will hold a bite
through aversity or pain? How do you proof that bite?
Date: 2001-07-24 09:02:44 PST
Hello lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,
"Lynn K." <jav...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> > Secondly, this
> > discussion came about as a result of YOU saying protection dogs
> > NEED to be beaten and abused to make them aggressive, as in
> > switching them *(a prerequisite in the 'shitshound' trial) and
> > FLANKING them, a method most Thugs like YOU rely on (that
> > means pulling the dog viciously by the flap of skin just forward of
> > the rear legs), beating them about the face while muzzled or
> > pulling their ears and tails. Those are YOUR approved methods,
> > you lying sack of Llama Spit.
> Nope - never said any such thing, or anything like it.
You're a compulsive liar. You said it.
> Flanking, to me,
Is NECESSARY to proof the dog, as you stated.
> is striking a dog lightly with a bamboo baton,
That's a lie and you know it. That's switching. That's not flanking.
> only after he has taken the bite.
As is REQUIRED in your ridiculous "shitshound training."
> And you know it, or you would if you knew anything at all
> about me or even remembered what I had said.
You're a proven liar and notorious dog abuser.
> I'll tell you what - you seem to like attacking trainers,
No, you and your pals aren't trainers, you're lying, dog abusing
Thugs.
> particularly those who have written something worthwhile.
Like your Llama Spit post, where you parked your dog on a down/stay
command and the dog broke to avoid getting Llama spit in his face,
and YOU didn't LIKE that your dog broke his command to protect
himself.
> Koehler isn't here for you to talk to.
Well, we'll let you speak for beating and hanging dogs as taught in
your favorite book.
> Go read "Advanced Schutzhund"
Go $#!T in your hat.
> if you want to know the methods I really approve of.
I'll just pull up your original post on this.
> Then take your best shots (in one post) and I'll be happy to post
> Ivan's response for you.
I see. You're going to use another dog abusing Thug to defend your
argument that switching is flanking, flanking doesn't exist, you
never said it, and you don't jerk, choke, shock, beat, and kill dogs
to train them.
> This is your golden opportunity, Jerry.
Everytime you bums post, is my "golden opportunity."
> Knock yourself out.
Psst! It ain't hard for me, all's I gotta do is quote your own
published words.
> You claim to have all sorts of experience in protection, so you'll no
> doubt have comments about things like his methods for getting
> deeper bites.
Gee, I've never had any difficulty getting my dogs to bite deeply
defending their handler. I don't have the book, but if you'd like to
copy a section I'll take a peek and let you know what I think.
You're welcome to send it to me off the board...
> Let's hear them.
When you endorse someone, you could ruin them.
> This may be the only chance you ever get to get taken seriously.
Excuse me? Perhaps you haven't noticed the topic of discussion here
on rpdb is predominantely Jerry, not dogs. Not training. Just you
Thugs attacking me to defend your abuses to dogs.
> Don't squander it with your usual bombastic ranting.
I'll see if my library has it or can borrow it from another library.
> Lynn K.
Richard Hurwitz wrote:
>
> Sorry, Lynn, but I've had it described to me in detail from
> a trainer who's bred and trained Field Champion Labs for
> 45 years. The stick, kind of like a switch, is applied to the
> butt area to speed up a command's acceptance, as I remember.
So I've been told by people far more experienced with field
training than I am (which is just about anyone, since I've no
experience at all with it).
*(Suddenly you got NO experience with NUTHIN BUT LYING!!!)
But, just like the yardstick we use in obedience,
*(TO BEAT THE DOG. And it's a HICKORY SWITCH,
not a "yardstick." Even if it was a "yardstick, HOWE
COME would you HIT a dog to TRAIN IT???)
I understand it really to be a reminder tap.
*(You mean, kinda like EVERY Puppy Wizard Post???)
Not really "hitting" the dog.
*(NHOWE we got HITTIN AIN'T HITTIN???)
Lynn K.
-----------------------
Jerry Howe wrote:
> Flanking can cause the dog to spin around and bite the handler.
> It is definitely not a part of my training program, for that reason.
That doesn't suprise me, since it would be inconsistent with what
you have posted here. But I have to ask again - how do you know
that a dog you have protection trained will hold a bite through
aversity or pain? How do you proof that bite?
*(The Puppy Wizard's dogs WOULD KILL YOU FOR HURTIN
THEIR KIND AND GENTLE HANDLERS!)
Lynn K.
Hitting dogs - useless and abusive and stupid (except for specific
training situations like flanking a Schutzhund dog.) Electronic collars -
great in the hands of those who know how & when to use them.
Lots of potential for abuse in the hands of those who don't.
*(LIKE YOU!)
Choke chains - useful as a training collar. See electronic collar,
same thing. Prong collar - Very useful as a training collar. I prefer
it to a choke chain because it is less forceful, the way I use it.
*(Yeah. You've posted 3 different ways you use the pronged
spiked pinch choke collar, EACH CONTRADICTING THE OTHER 2!!!)
See electronic collar, same thing. Crates - Wonderful tool for
housebreaking, transporting a dog safely, and dealing with
a sick or injured dog. Abusive when overused.
Beginning to see a theme here?
*(Yeah! YOU'RE A LIAR AND DOG ABUSER!)
Tools are as good or as bad as the use they are put to.
Lynn K.
BWWWWWAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
"I know that most men, including those at ease with
problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept
even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would
oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they
have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly
taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives."
-Leo Tolstoy-
Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated
more complaints to my personal email than any other
controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:
CAVEAT
If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you
would rather not have to do, then you shouldn't be doing
them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your
dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes,
shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or
punish your dog in any manner, that corrections
are appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they
can't train your dog to do what you want, look for a
trainer that knows HOWE.
Thank you,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
BIOSOUND Scientific
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092
Phone: 1-888-BIOSOUND (1-888-246-7686)
Phone: 1-888-WITSEND (1-888-948-7363)
http://www.doggydoright.com
Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.
-Francis Bacon-
There are terrible people who, instead of solving a
problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who
come after. Who ever can't hit the nail on the head
should, please, not hit at all.
-Nietzsche-
The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are
learned qualities.
The Wits' End Dog Training Method challenges the learning
centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged,
develop and continue to grow to make him smarter.
The Wits' End Dog Training method capitalizes on
praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and
timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant
corrections, and scolding.
-Jerry Howe-
The Puppy Wizard. <}TPW ; ~ ) >
ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizzzard. <}YPW ; ~ } >
oo-oo
Charlie Wilkes
You're applying your usual sanctimonious view to this discussion and
avoiding what doesn't suit you. Jerry's stock material includes
numerous posts in which RPDB regulars describe, in their own words,
the lack of success they experience training and controlling their own
dogs. I think that's a pretty useful reality check for some of these
high-minded wimmin. Many, if not most, don't even have the basics of
obedience training in hand. Jerry does.
Charlie
dogsnus
berlin.de:
You're surprised?
He's a flat out liar and totally delusional, in case you had not by now,
realized that fact.
Fortunatley, he's his own worst enemy, as evidenced by his posts.
It only takes about 2 posts for most to realize that fact.
He's such a flat out loon that most folks get that fact and killfile
him ASAP.
You ought to read Google. He's taken to cross posting to outlandish
groups and frankly, he's pissing off the worst folks in the world.
It's only a matter of time before he gets a virus. Or worse.
Terri
Krishur
fuel for him but according to him I spray Kali in the face w/vinegar (or
something) too.
--
Kristen &
Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT
http://www.kristenandkali.com
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Dimpled Chad
"Tara O." <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He generally tries to stick to things he can pull out of the
> archives as "facts" (even though they rarely are but it helps to cover his
> butt when he's reported).
Nope. He lies constantly about me and Frankie's ruptured vertebral disk.
He says I choked him on lead and collar, but he can't produce anything
where I said I did that.
Frankie's never had a collar while at our house: he's had a harness from
day one. We use a flexi, not a leash, and he's never, ever been yanked or
jurked or choked on it. Instead, his injury is of genetic origin, but that
doesn't stop him from making up some dumb crap to try to impute blame or,
what I suspect more, to try to hurt me.
Needless to say, Tara, that no sensible person takes Jerry's claims
seriously.
Chad
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Sionnach
> loves to take things out of context but I thought that normally what >he
> says...even though totally out of context...could be found in the
>archives.
Nope. That's totally inaccurate. He not only makes things up out of whole
cloth, but alters what he's clipped out of the archives. He adds entire
words and phrases to people's own writing, and in at least one case has
taken two people's posts on a similar subject, creatively cut'n'pasted them
together, added some words of his own, then put quote marks around the whole
concoction and repeatedly re-posted it with deliberate attribution to one
person.
The most egregious of his recent fabrications are his claims that Matt
caused Rocky's epilepsy by "choking and jerking" with a "pronged spiked
choke collar", and that Chad injured Frankie's spine by "choking and
jerking".
culprit
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> Totally his style. I thought my use of an ecollar and prong would be
enough
> fuel for him but according to him I spray Kali in the face w/vinegar (or
> something) too.
i think he must be confused. i'm the one that sprays my dogs with vinegar.
well, with water that has a few drops of vinegar in it. and not exactly in
the face.
but still, i'm sure he meant me. :-)
-kelly
Suja
> but still, i'm sure he meant me. :-)
Naaah! Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
Suja
sionnach
"Lynn K." wrote:
> I think his little library of rants has gotten so convoluted and messy
> repeating his own fantasy hyperbole as fact.
Hmm. That fails to explain, however, taking two posts by two different
people, cut'n'pasting them together, ADDING words that weren't in either
post, and then putting quotation marks around the concoction and
deliberately attributing it to one of the two original posters.
The Puppy Wizard
The vinegar is supposed to HURT the EYES. You sez
you don't spray it in the eyes, therefore the VINEGAR
has NO VALUE.
You're a LIAR, or you wouldn't use vinegar cause
it won't DO NUTHIN unless sprayed IN THE EYES,
like your pal BINACA bethFIST used BINACA in her
dog's EYE when she couldn't control the environment
to make it MOORE FUN.
The Puppy Wizard. <} : ~ ) >
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The Puppy Wizard
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Dimpled Chad
> In fact, a good lawyer could probably prove that being slandered by
> someone of Howe's ilk was actually *good* for your reputation.
Yup. It is a defense to libel that the one so acting is widely considered to
be disreputable.
Chad
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>
Kris / Kelly it's all the same ...
Kristen
The Puppy Wizard
You haven't got the intellect to HOWEtwit the cunning
of the domestic puppy dog.
The Puppy Wizard. <} ; ~ ) >
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