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Tara Green
> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>
> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>
> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
Holy crap.
Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try
every trick in the book in an attempt to
prevent you from navigating away from the
page are exactly who I most trust to do
business with....
(no, not really)
Char
> Jennifer wrote:
>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>
>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>
>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>
> Holy crap.
>
> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book in an
> attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page are exactly
> who I most trust to do business with....
>
> (no, not really)
At least she has a job! LOL!
Tara Green
> Tara Green wrote:
>> Jennifer wrote:
>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>>
>>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>>
>>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>>
>> Holy crap.
>>
>> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book in
>> an attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page are
>> exactly who I most trust to do business with....
>>
>> (no, not really)
>
> At least she has a job! LOL!
>
Funny. I have two jobs at present.
How 'nout you, char?
You off those addictive pain killers yet?
Char
> Char wrote:
>> Tara Green wrote:
>>> Jennifer wrote:
>>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
>>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>>>
>>>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>>>
>>> Holy crap.
>>>
>>> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book in
>>> an attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page are
>>> exactly who I most trust to do business with....
>>>
>>> (no, not really)
>>
>> At least she has a job! LOL!
>>
>
> Funny. I have two jobs at present.
So you lied in that other group about not having a job? Why would you do
that? Of course, since you responded it means you lied about reading my
posts. Bad habits are hard to break huh?
>
> How 'nout you, char?
I own a business.
>
> You off those addictive pain killers yet?
Why? Are you jealous?
dejablues
"Char" <chard...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:P9SdnZJ6-ZjUGlPX...@earthlink.com...
> Tara Green wrote:
>> Jennifer wrote:
>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>> Don�t you owe it to your dog to find out?
>>>
>>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>>
>>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>>
>> Holy crap.
>>
>> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book in an
>> attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page are exactly who
>> I most trust to do business with....
>>
>> (no, not really)
>
> At least she has a job! LOL
Oh yeah. "She" has a job? Spambots are not real.
Tara Green
> Tara Green wrote:
>> Char wrote:
>>> Tara Green wrote:
>>>> Jennifer wrote:
>>>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure your
>>>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>>>>
>>>> Holy crap.
>>>>
>>>> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book
>>>> in an attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page are
>>>> exactly who I most trust to do business with....
>>>>
>>>> (no, not really)
>>>
>>> At least she has a job! LOL!
>>>
>>
>> Funny. I have two jobs at present.
>
> So you lied in that other group about not having a job?
Try reading for more than simple ammunition
and you might actually start comprehending.
I'm keeping an eye out for a new job in a
field I'm just starting out in.
I still have the two businesses that I run.
> Why would you do
> that? Of course, since you responded it means you lied about reading my
> posts. Bad habits are hard to break huh?
Why? Because I forgot to extend my killfile
for you into this obscure newsgroup?
Hardly a lie. Lies are your specialty
>>
>> How 'nout you, char?
>
> I own a business.
And I own two of them. BFD.
>>
>> You off those addictive pain killers yet?
>
> Why? Are you jealous?
Not even a little. But its good to get a
pulse on someone prone to addiction based
outbursts and breaks with reality. So now I
know you're still hip deep into it. Makes it
easy when I know not to bother trying to
reason with an active drug addict.
Char
> Char wrote:
>> Tara Green wrote:
>>> Char wrote:
>>>> Tara Green wrote:
>>>>> Jennifer wrote:
>>>>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Holy crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book
>>>>> in an attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page are
>>>>> exactly who I most trust to do business with....
>>>>>
>>>>> (no, not really)
>>>>
>>>> At least she has a job! LOL!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Funny. I have two jobs at present.
>>
>> So you lied in that other group about not having a job?
>
>
> Try reading for more than simple ammunition and you might actually start
> comprehending.
>
> I'm keeping an eye out for a new job in a field I'm just starting out in.
>
> I still have the two businesses that I run.
>
>> Why would you do that? Of course, since you responded it means you
>> lied about reading my posts. Bad habits are hard to break huh?
>
> Why? Because I forgot to extend my killfile for you into this obscure
> newsgroup?
>
> Hardly a lie. Lies are your specialty
>
>
>>>
>>> How 'nout you, char?
>>
>> I own a business.
>
> And I own two of them. BFD.
If you don't want to know why ask?
>
>>>
>>> You off those addictive pain killers yet?
>>
>> Why? Are you jealous?
>
> Not even a little. But its good to get a pulse on someone prone to
> addiction based outbursts and breaks with reality. So now I know you're
> still hip deep into it. Makes it easy when I know not to bother trying
> to reason with an active drug addict.
What hurts you so bad I guess is that I'm just not an addict. I used it
when it was needed, reduced use when other means were found
(chiropractor, massage) and stopped it altogether with no withdrawals at
all. They aren't addictive to everyone Tara, just to addicts and I'm not
one.
I would have thought that you of all people, who is an addict, would
know better than to go that route but I guess in your head you are still
that addict and you can't help what you say. You want so bad for me to
be an addict too, even to the point where you imagine "breaks with
reality" you poor girl.
Being a fellow raw feeder it just points out your real mission here and
that is to disrupt, cause as much trouble as possible and to hide why
you do raw feed. However, having found you posting on a few Yahoo groups
in a very different manner lets me know what you can be, especially
since those groups are moderated. It's a shame you can't be as civil
here but I understand. Every addict needs someplace to explode so they
can let loose steam otherwise pointed at their family and friends.
Who knows what is true and what is a lie with you Tara. Regardless,
since you've posted on those groups in direct opposition to what you say
here we know you do lie frequently and which version is truth really
doesn't matter. You will never be well until you figure out for yourself
why you feel the need to lie and trash people.
Tara Green
> Tara Green wrote:
>> Char wrote:
>>> Tara Green wrote:
>>>> Char wrote:
>>>>> Tara Green wrote:
>>>>>> Jennifer wrote:
>>>>>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
Ok. Though your descriptions of your need,
your fuzziness without it, and how you
reacted to it sure did sound a lot like you
had a problem.
Which is not an issue in and of itself at all.
Its the pure hypocrisy of you using drugs
while beating anyone else up for so much as
contemplating easing their own dog's
suffering via modern medicine.
THAT is the sole issue here.
I could care less if you're using pain
killers recreationally, for a single purpose
(which, from your own posts, you *did* have
withdrawal symptoms from, so thanks for lying
yet again. I find it funny when you sacrifice
truth in order to further your agenda), or if
you were laying on a corner with a needle in
your arm: the point remains exactly the same.
You grab onto anything that helps you, while
beating the shit out of others for trying to
help their dogs using the same modern
medicine you glommed onto as soon as you got
"ouchie"
You're full of shit, a liar and a hypocrite
who gives out advice that can kill dogs. The
fact that you abused prescription drugs is
only relevant in that you attack anyone for
so much as giving their dogs antibiotics.
> I would have thought that you of all people, who is an addict, would
> know better than to go that route but I guess in your head you are still
> that addict and you can't help what you say.
Actually No. I don't define myself that way.
You set yourself for that definition when you
present such hypocrisy. You make it too easy.
> You want so bad for me to
> be an addict too, even to the point where you imagine "breaks with
> reality" you poor girl.
Darlin' your reality means bupkis to me. Its
not your addiction that's the issue. its your
hypocrisy. You can't even see how far your
own hypocrisy and willingness to lie extends.
it would be funnier, but for the deadly
advice and attacks you dole out to folks
simply trying to save the health of their pets.
>
> Being a fellow raw feeder it just points out your real mission here and
> that is to disrupt, cause as much trouble as possible and to hide why
> you do raw feed.
I have never once hidden why I raw feed.
And if you were ever to join the raw/holistic
groups I am in (moderated) with your
hypocrisy and attacks, you'd be tossed out on
your crazy ass faster than you could shout
"I'm Char, a paranoid conspiracy theorist who
can't apply critical thought to even the most
basic information!"
So my agenda is for truth, health and balance.
balance being something you have clearly
never even had a glimpse of from the middle
of your nuthouse.
>However, having found you posting on a few
Yahoo groups
> in a very different manner lets me know what you can be, especially
> since those groups are moderated.
No. I've had battles in some of those groups
as well. In the same way.
the difference is that people aren't allowed
to stoop to the same level of mud slinging
you go to regularly, and because I tend to
only join groups that are guided by rational
and critical thought rather than insanity.
If you brought your insanity into those
groups the way you do here, you'd be out on
your ass in 5 seconds flat.
> It's a shame you can't be as civil
> here but I understand.
I was. Towards you. For a long time.
You stopped earning civility a long time ago.
I reverse your own challenge. You wouldn't
get away with your behavior in any of the
groups I'm in without being banned. The thing
is, I have many....MANY civil relationships
here. You don't have any....excpet with the
one person who is banned from every site
known to man.
So really, who'd the one exhibiting issues
with civility? The one who can't get along
with *anyone*, or the one who can't get along
with a handful of people?
I'd say you should have been looking in the
morrow for that entore diatribe.
But I truly dare you to post there the way
you do here. I already have had debates and
real disagreements there.
> Every addict needs someplace to explode so they
> can let loose steam otherwise pointed at their family and friends.
No, actually. Maybe that's just you.
> Who knows what is true and what is a lie with you Tara.
Uh, no.
Unlike you, I post ubder my real name (always
have) and have beenn forthright about who I
am, where I live, and what I do.
The one who keeps herself shrouded in secrecy
is YOU.
And even your short, anonymous posting
history is frought with direct contradictions
and hypocrisy.
So in geberal its starting to look like very
time you want to post an insult or a dig, you
should just go spout off into a
mirror.....you'd be far more accurate in your
finger pointing that way.
> Regardless,
> since you've posted on those groups in direct opposition to what you say
> here
No I haven't.
I have always been very upfront about my path
and my explorations in this area. There are
no contradictions at all.
I love that you've tried to lie about that
already.
It won't be hard at all to see what groups
your doing this in. Step out of line, and
your ass will be hostory. And the best part
is that I won't have to do a THING to make it
happen. You'll self destruct on your own.
> we know you do lie frequently and which version is truth really
> doesn't matter.
Saying something over and over again doesn't
make it true.
Since you're probably taking the word of a
*known* liar anyway, your assertions here
don't mean much. You have provben that you
actually *value* lying. You lie. Your only
"buddy" here lies regularly. You embrace
lying....as long as it promotes your bitter
agenda.
Me? I tend to let it all set where it falls.
That's why I don't post anonymously (which is
your main cloak and shield for your own lies,
by the way). Lying? Not so much.
> You will never be well until you figure out for yourself
> why you feel the need to lie and trash people.
Again....go check the mirror before you go there.
I'm perfectly well.
You? not so much.
(I'll leave araa in just in case anyone there
wants to have a good laugh.)
Tara Green
> Tara Green wrote:
>> Char wrote:
>>> Tara Green wrote:
>>>> Char wrote:
>>>>> Tara Green wrote:
>>>>>> Jennifer wrote:
>>>>>>> Details to help you decide for yourself what you can do to ensure
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> dog receives the healthiest food & nutrition possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Click Here To Start Improving Your Dog's Health Today!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dogfooddangers.com/index4.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Holy crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spammers that use bad grammar, and who try every trick in the book
>>>>>> in an attempt to prevent you from navigating away from the page
>>>>>> are exactly who I most trust to do business with....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (no, not really)
>>>>>
>>>>> At least she has a job! LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny. I have two jobs at present.
>>>
>>> So you lied in that other group about not having a job?
>>
>>
>> Try reading for more than simple ammunition and you might actually
>> start comprehending.
>>
>> I'm keeping an eye out for a new job in a field I'm just starting out in.
>>
>> I still have the two businesses that I run.
>>
>>> Why would you do that? Of course, since you responded it means you
>>> lied about reading my posts. Bad habits are hard to break huh?
>>
>> Why? Because I forgot to extend my killfile for you into this obscure
>> newsgroup?
>>
>> Hardly a lie. Lies are your specialty
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> How 'nout you, char?
>>>
>>> I own a business.
>>
>> And I own two of them. BFD.
>
> If you don't want to know why ask?
Ha ha ha! I missed this the first time since
it was buried in the front.
Only your complete lack of reading for
content leads you to believe I asked any such
thing about your business.
You read them as separate statements. They
were not separate until you separated them.
In other words, once again, you went out of
your way to change a context in order to
misrepresent what someone was saying.
I could care less about your career, nor did
I ever inquire about it.
I was asking if you'd gotten off painkillers
yet, even as you post often telling people
who give their dogs modern medicine that
they're killing them with it.
Char
A huge bunch of crap so I snipped it.
My previous answer still stands, more so than ever. Poor Tara!
Tara Green
I noticed you are listed anonymously oin the
yahoo groups as well.
Looks like I'm not the one with things to hide.
Poor Char.
Char
> Char wrote:
>> Tara Green wrote:
>> A huge bunch of crap so I snipped it.
>>
>> My previous answer still stands, more so than ever. Poor Tara!
>
> I noticed you are listed anonymously oin the yahoo groups as well.
Since you don't know who I am you don't have a clue if I posted
anonymously or not and you don't know which groups I belong to either.
I really bug you for some reason.... poor Tara!
Tara Green
It was an easy deduction.
You bug a LOT of people Char. Mostly because
of the deadly advice you give. If you halted
that, you would barely register on anyone's
radar.
Char
There has never been any "deadly" advice. I've seen plenty of it from
the others on here though. Pushing pesticides would be a great example.
Not being able to comprehend the damage caused by vaccines is another.
Those flea products kill and maim dogs. The vaccines do too!
The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed
autoantibodies to their own DNA. They also found that vaccinated dogs
were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. The vaccinated,
but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed
autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin,
laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.
This means that the vaccinated dogs -- ”but not the non-vaccinated
dogs”-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation
between tissues and organs in a living organism.
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
Tara, if you didn't lie about me so much you'd have nothing to say.
Char
> It was an easy deduction.
>
Only in your head Tara. Think about it. I do admit, sometimes you make
me laugh.
Tara Green
You're not making sense.
Glad you're having fun though.
Char
> << Those flea products kill and maim dogs. The vaccines do too!
>
> chemicals, and I have wanted to ask - seriously - if you have really,
> ever, tried to manage fleas with a flea comb and a vacuum?
I use more than that but nothing even close to being a pesticide. A
vacuum is about the most effective tool in flea eradication. I've also
put a light over some soapy water at night and killed fleas that way. I
use DE or boric acid in the carpets. I give the dogs frequent baths.
> Personally, I cannot be successful in eradicating fleas with this
> approach, and I am skeptical that very many other dog owners can
> either. History has shown this method to be ineffective, which has
> led to other methods eradication of fleas.
Simply raw feeding can reduce the amount of fleas on a dog, as well as
using homeopathic remedies. A healthy dog isn't as much a victim of
fleas, and the reduction in the amount of fleas here tells me raw
feeding has vastly improved their health right in front of my eyes.
So you see, there is more to it than using a comb and a vacuum. There
are many things that help and utilizing as many as possible does make it
possible to eradicate fleas or at the least knock them down to a minor
inconvenience. I see no "flea allergies" since I started raw feeding my
pets.
>
> << The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed
>> autoantibodies to their own DNA.>>
>
> Please explain this further, since it has been my long held
> understanding that auto-antibodies, or antibodies in general, are
> formed against PROTEINS, and Not DNA.
>
> Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
The link explains this, just read it.
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
It would be silly for me to copy and paste it all here when you can
click on it.
Gus Gassmann
> The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed
> autoantibodies to their own DNA. They also found that vaccinated dogs
> were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. The vaccinated,
> but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed
> autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin,
> laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.
>
> dogs�-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
> between tissues and organs in a living organism.
>
> http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
I read one of the studies (the one on Great Danes), and I remain
unconvinced. Even IF (see below) the autoimmune deficiencies could be
detected and linked to the repeated vaccinations, it does not seem to
have any measurable effect on the dogs' life expectancy.
To quote from the study:
"Hypothesis 3: Vaccinated compared with unvaccinated Great Dane dogs
have a significantly higher risk of autoimmune diseases, particularly
hypothyroidism.
We were unable to test this hypothesis ... the long-term potential
adverse consequence of repeated vaccination is likely to remain unknown."
The choice of words in this last sentence is unfortunate, since it
suggests that there *must* be an adverse consequence --- we just haven't
found it yet. But until a study proves the presence of such an adverse
effect, I'd much rather not have to contemplate the prospects of my dog
getting rabies, thank you very much!
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar, dog
abuser, coward, animal murderin FRAUD mental case,
"Sharon Too" <askfor...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:HbydnfU6fLHIxUvX...@neonova.net...
> Char is a conspiracy theorist.
"THEORY" means unproven suppHOWESITION, don't it, sharon?
"Seem" Chardonnay9 GOT EVIDENCE, not THEORIES <{}:~ ( >
> For those who question her motives,
You'll do an say ANY THING to DEFEND your alledged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE
MUTILATE an MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT
<{}:~ ( >
> "research",
Might sharon the veterinary obfuscationist care to refute the SCIENCE?
> or theories,
THEORIES KILL DOGS, don't they, sharon?
> she accuses them of killing dogs.
INDEED? Naaaah. Chardonnay9 has clearly indicted *you* <{}';~ ) >
> She claims that since we own an animal hospital that we kill animals
INDEEDY. You surgically digitally an sexually MUTILATE innocent kats an
dogs.
> because we sell Frontline and Advantage.
Don't forget the rest of your apuproved veterinary toxins <{}:~ ( >
> It has *never* happened
You mean you DON'T REALIZE it happens ALL THE TIME, you MENTAL CASE.
> and our records show that the life expectency of our patients has
> dramatically increased
> in the last 10 years,
INDEED? Then your own records DISAGREE with the STATISTICS <{}:~ ( >
> but somehow she thinks she knows otherwise.
You're a PROVEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE, remember, sharon?
> However, we do see a fair share of pets who suffer and die from flea bite
> anemia.
INDEED? They're former CASH CUSTOMERS for your ineffective flea treatments
<{}:~ ( >
> Combing and vaccuuming does not eliminate the pet as host to these
> parasites.
Of curse not~!
> If your child had lice would you comb and vaccuum them?
Of curse not~! You ever heard of SOAP an WATER?? "Cleanlieness
is next to G-dlieness", remember, sharon?
> Since my killfile even hates her and pukes her out every now and then,
"Seem" it was *you* who opened her post, remember, sharon?
Or was you havin a other PSYCHOTIC BREAK from reality??
> I'm sure I'll see her conspiracy tirade soon enough.
Naaah. Just try readin the INFORMATION on her links <{};~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
VETERINARY QUOTES:
Regarding contributing factors to disease in pets:
Classical Veterinary Homeopathy - Michael Dym, VMD, Dr. Dym is a
presidential scholar graduate from Cornell University with his VMD from
Penn. He is an active member of the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy and the
American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association.
"Over the past 40 years and 17 generations of dogs and, cats we are
seeing tremendous increases in chronic ill health in our pets that was rare
back in the early 1960's. Most of these illnesses revolve around breakdown
in our pets' immune systems, and include chronic skin/ear allergies,
digestive upset, thyroid/adrenal/pancreatic disorders, seizures, gum/ teeth
problems, degenerative arthritis, kidney/liver failure, and cancer across
all ages and breeds. We are also seeing a record number of behavioral and
emotional disorders including alarming and unexplained fears/aggression., as
well as difficulty focusing/training and paying attention. The analogy of
these compared with escalating immune/behavioral diseases in children is
quite disturbing. The two biggest factors in our pets' population health
decline over these generations has been the severe overuse of multiple
vaccines and nutrient poor and toxin filled commercial pet foods. We have
also failed to address the underlying cause of disease by only sup pressing
symptoms with antibiotics, cortisone and related drugs, so the disease
progresses and goes deeper. "
-----------------------------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAA~!~!~!
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-long
INCURALBE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,
"Linda Hungerford" <tallgras...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7d8b32d4-c13c-4871...@a7g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 13, 9:39 pm, Char <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
><<>>
> >> Please explain this further, since it has been my long held
> >> understanding that auto-antibodies, or antibodies in general, are
> >> formed against PROTEINS, and Not DNA.
Perhaps you learned WRONG, eh, dra. hungerford?
>> > Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
>
>> The link explains this, just read
>> it.http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
>
>> It would be silly for me to copy and paste it all here when you can click
>> on it.
Yeahbutt... it'd mean havin to actually SEE the OFFENSIVE INFORMATION <{}:~
( >
> And here is the link to your guru's credentials...
<<http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/whoami.html>>
All the GURU is doin is REPORTING CASE HISTORY DATA, dra. hungerford,
KINDA JUST LIKE HOWE The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFIES
EXXXPOSES an DISCREDITS you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin MENTAL CASES; REMEMBER, dra.??
> Silly indeed.
INDEED?
> I remain unimpressed.
Well PERHAPS it'd IMPRESS my readers if they READ your own POSTED CASE
HISTORY
of LIES INTIMIDATION ABUSE an MURDERIN innocent defenseless dumb critters an
LYIN
abHOWET IT??
LIKE THIS:
dra. linda hungerford, psychiatrist, wrote:
> > 48" long Heavy Duty -Midwest, Others - is what I would recommend.
INDEED? An you THINK that'll prevent your dogs from ESCAPIN your abuse?
dra. linda hungerford aka tallgrass's St. Bernard jumped her six foot
fence and ESCAPED <{); ~ ) >
AND THEN he TURNED ON HER for CHOKIN an SHOCKIN
HIM and then SHE MURDERED IT on accHOWENTA THAT'S
what lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES DO <{}:~ ( >
AIN'T IT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a81012ee...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> I have raised and trained a St. Bernard, and they are
> NOT a breed you want to get into dominance games with.
> Come to think of it, that's true of any breed.
True, in part. The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.
Linda H.
----------------------
INDEED?
And as for the BIG dogs, dra. linda?
WHAT THEN??
YOU MURDER THEM, THAT'S WHAT <{}:~ ( >
> > Anything lighter and it may not stand up to a big dog.
You mean when they GO INSANE an ESCAPE your "secure" puppy mill kennels?
> > VarKennels that large are not easy to find -
INDEED? dra. linda couldn't find her own arse in the dark with both hands
<{}:~ ( >
> > so called Giant or X-Large. For snow dogs, I like the greater
> > ventilation that the metal crates allow.
INDEED?
> > Linda H., lurking for a while
> > Saint Bernards
Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten
(she means jerked choked shocked
intimidated and murdered)
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From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 5 Feb 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Bill Vajk <bill9no...@hotmailDITCHTHIS.com> wrote in message
<news:uY-dnavwu6_...@comcast.com>...
> When no one is actually watching, there's nobody here.
So.....if a tree falls in the forest, or the list....?????
!!!!!
Linda H.
--------------------------------
Not to worry dra. linda hunger, they're ALL INDELLIBLY ARCHIVED
FOREVER in The Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic Research
Laboratory Archives:
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From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 28 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a81012ee...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> I have raised and trained a St. Bernard, and they are
> NOT a breed you want to get into dominance games with.
> Come to think of it, that's true of any breed.
True, in part. The ankle-biters, though, can be
picked up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.
Linda H.
----------------------
> My wife and I are trying to stay away from metal cages and would
> prefer, if at all possible, Vari Kennel type of enclosures for them.
> But where to find them and how big should they be ?
HOWE COME do you want to lock your dogs in a box like HOWE
these LIFE-LONG INCURABLE MENTAL PATIENTS PREFER?
> The previous dogs we had were shelties so we are getting used
> to a giant breed; quite a jump !
INDEED? You mean a dog AIN'T a dog?
> Andre
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 31 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a847a3ff...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> The mention of it is what triggered my reference to the
> Monks of New Skete. They discuss the use of eye contact
> in training, among a number of other techniques. Their
> book approaches dog training from the viewpoint of the
> dog, and explains what your body language and actions
> are actually teaching the dog. They discuss methods of
> punishment and times when it is appropriate.
>
> They are the ones who taught me how to use the scruff
> shake and eye contact to assert dominance over a dog.
> The technique speaks directly to the dog's instincts.
> A dog has a deep need to know its position in the pack,
> and will challenge you until it knows who is alpha.
>
> <<snipped>>
<<<vbeg>>>.....dare ya to give a scruff shake and eye
contact to a 33 1/2 mastiff breed/saint/dane, that
yesterday chomped onto your arm...
> The full title is: _How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend: The
> Classic Training Manual for Dog Owners_ by Monks of New Skete.
> Seriously. Check it out. In my never-humble opinion,
> it is the best book on dogs ever written.
I expect delivery of my copy of this book sometime next
week. Found a good price on a lightly used copy thru
Amazon.com.
Scary stuff, trying to assert dominance over a dominant
aggressive dog that weighs 150# +/-, and has learned to bite.
Trust me, very scary.
Linda H.
HOWE did the dog LEARN to "ASSERT DOMINANCE", Doctor linda?:
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 22 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
"The Rock Garden" <hens...@povn.com> wrote in message
<news:iZadnVSYT7a...@povn.com>...
> "Bob Greene" <rgre...@pivot.net> wrote
> > My server just finally picked up this group
> > again, and what happened?
> > It used to be full of discussions about rural life -
> > now all this political, tree hugging drivel......
> > Is there anybody out there?
>
> Yeah, it always gets a little twitchy this time
> of the year, cabin fever in most of the northern
> hemisphere ya know, but it's even worse than normal
> this year. Most of the regulars are sitting it out
> for a while, waiting for the social misfit cross-
> posters to eventually wear down and go away.
> In the meantime, the kill file and delete key are your friends. :-)
> Skip
Me, I have thought that some may be wondering if I
am lurking out here, waiting to psychoanalyze them,
so some are not posting. !!!!!!! hehe...only our
hairdressers know for sure!!!
<AND so will Animal Behavior Sciences Forensic
Research Laboratory, dra linda, which means the
WHOLE WILD WORLD is gonna KNOW.>
Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night,
so have been tormented the last two days with the worries
of what to do with this previously abused dog.
<"PREVIOUSLY", dra linda?>
Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt, and
will not repeat my behavior which incited the biting incident -
the application of a choke chain collar right behind the ears.
Yowzer!!!!!...instant vicious (briefly) saint bernard.
<"BRIEFLY", being that YOU MURDERED IT because
you have a MENTAL ILLNESS, dral linda: "Physican,
HEEL THYSELF".>
Third...prior to yesterday, I was obsessed with trying
to find this obsolete part for my Ariens snowblower, so
have been searching the web adn sending out emails.
Futile endeavors, to date, btw.
So...we be Busy!!!
Linda H.
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From: dj_macint...@hotmail.com (DJ)
Date: 2 Feb 2004 05:27:00 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) wrote in message
> Considering I had a grooming table salesman describe
> how they would literally hang birddogs to get their
> attention, I figured a well controlled stare-down was
> pretty non-invasive.
It's called (DJ says with disgust) "Stringing them up".
The proceedure is that you grab the dog by a CHOKE collar,
and suspend it from it until the dog almost passes out,
then you release it.
It is *supposed* to teach the dog to obey you or you will kill it.
I DO NOT support, suggest, or perform that technique;
I'm just passing it on for information.
It is still popular with some of the VERY old school
trainers; and yes, it has, occasionally, killed the dog.
DJ
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From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 26 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a7ae6e26...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <aeb1ce4e.0401222245.70567...@posting.google.com>,
> tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) says...
> > Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night
> > so have been tormented the last two days with the worries
> > of what to do with this previously abused dog.
> > Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt,
> > and will not repeat my behavior which incited the
> > biting incident - the application of a choke chain
> > collar right behind the ears. Yowzer!!!!!...instant
> > vicious (briefly) saint bernard.
>
> St. Bernards are one of the most likely breeds to bite.
> They take a lot of socialization as puppies, and are
> definitely not recommended for people who don't understand
> the breed. If yours was abused as a pup, you may never be
> able to trust him.
There are certain lines of saint bernards with volatile
temperaments, and this dog was 25% of them...."vicious"
is the current reliable urban legend for his gr.grandsire.
I took the dog to the vet last Friday morning, and he
growled each time Doc tried to listen to his chest and
belly, respectively. I could not bring myself to load
the dog back into the van and risk my limbs further, so
I had the dog put down.
He was accustomed to being in charge, a dominant temperament,
and had learned he could bite and get away with it. Too much
for me, and what I consider to be unsaintly temperament.
Your suggestions regarding handling a canine "loaded gun,
with the safety off adn a hair trigger" are welcome. Me,
I could not risk my limbs nor face to training this dog,
and I do not own a handgun (yet!).
Cell phones do not work out here, and I am thirty miles
from the sheriff's office if I wanted the dog shot on site.
I thought about owning a cattle prod, but could not
comprehend why I would want to live with a 140# ++
dog that might bite me after a collar correction,
if I stood behind him, if I tried to stuff him into a
crate, or if he encountered an oriental person (all
known triggers to growling/biting).
Also, I do not own schutzhund gear, and I am not
interested in risking limbs and digits to a dog.
As for his abusive environment....he had been out of
that environment for at least 18 months, but I think
very little work had been done with him prior to my
acquiring him.
It is a shame, too, for I would have liked to add his
33 1/2" at the withers frame to my line of dogs.
I will settle for shorter sweet saints anyday, thankyouanyway.
Linda H.
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From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 29 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
<news:MPG.1a82dc20e...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
> In article <2004012823521388...@flobalob.zetnet.co.uk>,
> janet.and.j...@flobalob.zetnet.co.uk (Janet Baraclough ..) says...
> > The message <aeb1ce4e.0401280919.18f57...@posting.google.com>
> > from tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) contains these words:
> > > Larry Caldwell <lar...@teleport.com> wrote in message
> > > <news:MPG.1a81012ee...@news.west.earthlink.net>...
>
> > > > I have raised and trained a St. Bernard, and they
> > > > are NOT a breed you want to get into dominance games
> > > > with. Come to think of it, that's true of any breed.
>
> > > True, in part. The ankle-biters, though, can be picked
> > > up by the scruff of the neck and stared down.
>
> > To a dog, staring is an act of aggression and intimidation.
> > What you suggest is just bullying, likely to result in a
> > nervy defensive dog> which doesn't trust you.
> > NOT a great way to train any breed.
I don't see this original post, so can't respond
to any more of it than what is above. However...
what are dominance disagreements besides bullying,
at times?
I would think a staredown would be preferrable
to some other trainers methods.
> Just about the finest book on dog training I ever
> read was "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend", written
> by The Monks of New Skete, who breed GSDs. Those
> guys really understand dogs. If you follow their
> advice, you won't go wrong. Highly recommended.
> They have several books and videos.
> http://www.mirabilis.ca/archives/000291.html
> Check it out.
Thanks for the title. Have been meaning to get around
to it, and have put it on a lower priority. From the
title, though, I have to question whether or not I want
to be my dog's best friend, or vice versa...?
The title implies equality between person and dog, which
I understand as a path to the dog testing limits until
it is convinced that it is not in charge.
Perhaps the title is a misnomer...
Linda H.
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From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 30 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
John Klausner <somi...@adephia.net> wrote in message
<news:FrGdnTDGrYN...@adelphia.com>...
> You consider "staring down" to be a harsh training method?
> SueK
> Janet Baraclough .. wrote:
> snipped
> > I'm not sure if "anklebiters" meant pups or small-breed
> > adult dogs; but either way, imho it's unnecessary and counter-
> > productive to exert that level of aggression or intimidation
> > on such a small creature.
> > There are better ways to teach a small dog your
> > respective social positions, without hurting,
> > cowing or humiliating it.
> >> I would think a staredown would be
> >> preferrable to some other trainers methods.
> > In my view, as a training method it has the same
> > disadvantage as other harsh training methods.
> > hey only worsen neurotic defensive and aggressive behaviour.
> > Janet
Considering I had a grooming table salesman describe
how they would literally hang birddogs to get their
attention, I figured a well controlled stare-down was
pretty non-invasive.
However, heeding Janet's informed advice, I have Just
purchased a copy of the Monks' book, and look forward
to training myself with it in the next ten days or so.
If their techniques can convince a german shepherd,
it is worth my while to see what they have to offer
for my giant dogs.
Linda H., listening and learning
--------------------------
INDEED??
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The
Scientific Management Of Doggys.
"It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's
social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler,
1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION
ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing
the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental
HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966).
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 27 Jan 2004 22:22:59 -0800
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
John Klausner <somi...@adephia.net> wrote in message
<news:VYqdnabGFOh...@adelphia.com>...
> I'm sorry that you had to make that decision. Not that
> I don't think it was the right one...but it's sad when
> such a decision has to be made.
> Good for you, too, for not using him as a breeder, given
> the facts. I'm sure you could have managed it, and worked
> around the problems - but I think you were right not to do so.
> The breed is absolutely too big to have to deal with
> temperment problems, imo. Not all breeders have the
> same compunctions since in this case, at least, it
> appears that the urban legend apparently had some basis
> in fact. Not a great way to have it proven.
> SueK
FWIW....I have a gr. grandson saint here that descends
from a reputedly "downright nasty" dog, and he does Not
have a mean bone in his body. Totally different lines
of dogs, too; West coast vs. East coast.
Considering the person that told me about the "nasty"
dog, I would have growled at her too!
If I had been bitten in warm weather, I am sure the
decedant dog would have drawn blood, if not broken
my ulnar bone.
As it was, his top canine tooth bruised me through
two sweatshirts, the top one heavily lined. I still
have a superficial abrasion at the site of the tooth
impact, but the pain is beginning to subside.
Anyways....the three saints I have here now are truly
saints, and the danes' temperaments are nearly the same.
Case in point, one of the dane girls had to have some
stitches out last Friday, and none of us (Vet, assistant,
me) realised that we were not holding her muzzle while
the sutures were being removed.
Gracie just sat there, nonplussed, like the good girl
that she is. That was the highlight of last Friday,
for sure.
Linda H.
--------------------
You're nuthin but a loathesome ignorant animal
abusing coward backyard puppy miller breeder
profiteer, a FRAUD as a "psychiatrist and an
ABOMINATION as a physician, Doctor linda.
Here's a dog you CRIPPLED:
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 4 Dec 2001
Subject: Veterinary spinal surgeon sought
After several months of illness, my saint bernard,
Red, has been diagnosed with discospondylitis at
L7-S1 and is beginning dicloxacillin tonight for
presumed staph or strep infection. His treating v
eterinary internist is not optimistic regarding his
recovering enough to lead a pain free life, and i
want to know what Red's surgical options are.
Red is the son of the 1997 SBCA National Specialty's
WD and Best Bred-by, so I would like to do as much as
I can for this dog, while trying to stay rational about
the situation <<sigh>>.
Secondly, I am wondering how to go about trying to
stabilize the LS joint over the next month of medical
treatment. Are there any veterinary back braces out
there that could be utilized?
Maybe something homemade, leaving the penile sheath
uncovered for urination...?? Will have to try to
see what i can come up with myself, also.
thank you all. heck of a way to say...I'm back online, eh??
Linda E. Hungerford, M.D.
Tallgrass Prairie Kennels
Saints and Danes, spoilt rotten
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 4 May 2002 21:56:31 -0700
Subject: Re: St Bernard desperately needs HELP!!!
tranx...@aol.com (Laura S) wrote in message
<news:20020503153133...@mb-mn.aol.com>...
> > I personally think that the person who WAS told
> > to STOP should have stopped, he WAS warned that
> > the dog might bite
> I agree with Diane. Dogs need to be trained properly.
> Laura of NC
> If you can't be a good example, then you'll
> just have to be a horrible warning.
> -Catherine Aird-
Training or not, this is Un-saintly behavior, by
American standards, and strongly suggests that the
dog has a very poor temperament. I would hope that
this is not the desired temperament of British Saint
Bernards...?? Dra. linda.
Sat, Jun 4 2005
Subject: Re: Tacoma WA st. bernard lost
HOWEDY doctora linda,
Linda E. Hungerford wrote:
> A two year old male saint bernard jumped the six foot
> containment fence yesterday and is out and about,
Whaaat, no shock fence for IT?
Dogs ESCAPE when they're UNHAPPY.
> location unknown other than originating in Tacoma.
Yeah. That's what they call LOST.
> A long hair saint, his face is distinctive due
> to it almost being all white.
That's UNDESIRABLE in a well bred St. Bernard.
> We do not consider him dangerous,
Unless he lays on you.
> but will certainly be dirty when found.
Maybe not...
> Dog is from multiple generations of show animals,
> and sire was top weight pulling saint in Y2K. Yes,
> he is strong too.
Is this the same dog that bit you when you jerked
and choked IT?
> He may be headed for Canada, where he usually lives.
Dogs run HOWET on their people who ABUSE them.
> Anyone along the route (?!?!?!?!?) thinking they
> have spotted him or found him please notify me
> backchannel asap.
Yeah. Meanwhile we'll review a little of your
own posted case history, eh doctora linda?
> TIA....
> Linda H., the human Auntie
__________________
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021117101433...@mb-cg.aol.com...
> how effective are these electronic fences in
> keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
------------------------------------
"micha el" spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com
wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIz...@comcast.com...
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what it felt
like to me when I got shocked by Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
--------------------------
THAT'S HOWE COME Misty's DEAD DOG
Peaches got DEAD on us <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
From: misty (Momi...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
-------------------
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
================
misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and
no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want
to come back in the yard and would run for days.
The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how
to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in
the yard.
She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop
her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I
hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get
a regular fence then you need to train your dog.
I will never rely on an electronic collar to
keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
-----------------
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
I used the Wit's Ends Training manual to teach myself how
to interact with Zelda. The first read through made no
sense to me...the second time through, things clicked and
the little lightbulb glowed.
I trained Zelda to stay in the yard, not chase cats, to come,
sit ,down, stop chewing toys and to be quiet when she barks
at things she hears outside.
I don't care if 99% of the manual came from 99 other trainers...
I needed the info, it was offered free of charge and any questions
can be asked of Jerry.
One thing about his method, although you can "spot" train
with it, it works best by a pyramid approach.IOW start
at the beginning and go through the exercises in the order
he has them wrote.
The part about "non-physical praise" confused me until I
tried a little experiment. I petted Zelda and told her
what a good girl she was...she enjoyed it, tail wagging.
I then put my hand away from her (behind my back) and
praised her...she got very wiggly, nudged me with her nose,
pawed at me and wanted more praise. Not very scientific,
I know, but it was interesting to me how excited she got.
I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train"
my kids as well:-)
~misty
My "daughter" http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
My sons http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@easynews.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001
Subject: Re: Anyone tried the Wits End Training manual?
On Sun, 26 Aug 2001
Momi...@webtv.net (misty) wrote:
> I find that I'm starting to use Jerry's method to "train" my kids as
> well:-) ~misty
> My "daughter":
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/ZeldaAnneArensdorf/
> My sons: http://community-2.webtv.net/Momisty/Arensdorf14Acre/
Hi Misty!
I had just about exactly the same experience with Jerry's manual.
I had visited quite a few dog-training web sites, and, while they
didn't recommend anything too harsh, they all emphasized that
I must "assert my dominance" over the pup.
Anytime I tried doing that (just once or twice) it produced a
distinctly negative result... The pup got scared and ran away.
When I took the approach of simply making myself into the most
important and desirable thing in her world, she responded incredibly
well. Now I can even break off a rabbit chase instantly (which I do
NOT want to allow, as I live in a rural area with chickens and
livestock) just by calling her once in a calm, affectionate voice.
Your kids and your dog are adorable, BTW!
You can see my pup at
http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
Check the "more pictures" link -- like your dog, Holly
is more than happy to do an "alpha rollover" when I use
the gentle, non-confrontational approach Jerry recommends.
Charlie
================
NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS
Newsgroups: misc.rural
From: dj_macint...@hotmail.com (DJ)
Date: 23 Jan 2004
Subject: Re: What happened to the group?
tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass) wrote in message
> Secondly....I was bitten by a Very Big Dog last night, so
> have been tormented the last two days with the worries of
> what to do with this previously abused dog.
I have some experience being bitten by VBDs; I used to
train Schutzhund dogs, and I was the guy getting bitten.
Where, and how the dog bit you can tell alot about what
was running through the dog's mind at the time; my
experience is at your disposal.
> Currently, I am giving him the benefit of the
> doubt, and will not repeat my behavior which incited
> the biting incident - the application of a choke
> chain collar right behind the ears. Yowzer!!!!!...
> instant vicious (briefly) saint bernard.
My oldest mastiff, during her early obedience training,
recieved just such an introduction to the collar by the
instructor, who felt my wife wasn't "jerking quick enough".
My dog, however, just growled at her... that said, being
growled at by a mastiff is something you remember for a
LONG time ;-).
Oh, and yes, once we tried another training method, she
got her CD in four trials (crawled away from the long down ;-),
and then went on to get her Therapy Dog title and was the
joy of many bedridden people in the hospital we visited.
Actually, I got nailed once, during a Schutzhund trial,
retrieving a Rottweiler that got up from the long down.
As I slipped my fingers through her collar, she nailed
BOTH my hands quite nicely in about half a second. Upon
some questioning, I found out this particular Rottweiler
was, ahem, FIRMLY trained by her owner, and punishment
for breaking a down was usually a good smacking.
Well, needless to say, I was furious, and only my training
instructor kept me from putting a much needed beating on
this offender; no, not the dog, the owner!
Schutzhund is a FUN sport; especially the bitework.
The dogs LOVE it. They always win, the badguy (me)
always loses. Anyone who would hurt a dog for something
so stupid as a sport is just warming up for bigger things
later, I figure...
Anyway, if that Saint Bernard is still in that abusive
household, he has just gotten ALOT more dangerous: he
has just learned that his TEETH are valid defence weapons
and NEXT time, he'll be faster to use them; dogs learn
"what works" really quickly.
He CAN be saved and rehabilitated, but until his social
situation changes, I'd treat him as a DANGEROUS DOG from
this point on.
Oh! Actually, just thought of something else. Saints are
"floppy eared dogs". And floppy ears are prone to ear infections,
which can be VERY painful! That, also, might be something
worth considering.
Are his ears infected, because if they are, that choke
chain sent a red-hot poker through his head when you
yanked it... something worth considering, anyway!
DJ
"A Completely New Model Of Learning"? Naaah. Pavlov Told
Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student
Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of
Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using
TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: tgrassk...@yahoo.com (Tallgrass)
Date: 23 Dec 2001
Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!(ninnyboy)
"Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:7_4V7.22929$BX4.1...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...<>>
> > with the damage the moles do, the six inch
> > dog craters don't make a whole lot of difference.
> Well, it's EZ to train the dog not to harrass the moles...
> > Now the escape hatch under the garage door....<<snipped more>>
Jerr...ol'buddy, ol' pal.....you hawked that
black box to me last year, and I did not bite
then and do not plan to bite now. give it a rest.
As for the moles...I would much rather the dogs *catch*
the moles than to hvae the moles tear up the yard. This
is one of the uses of a dog, don'tchaknow!
to each their own.
Linda H.
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001
Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!
My methods will cure hole digging in just a
few minutes over a couple of days...
"LEHunger" <lehun...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20011216203655...@mb-mw.aol.com...
> <<Moles have recently started tunneling all over my yard, and
> for the dogs each tunnel is like a big "DIG HERE" sign with
> an arrow.>>
> have had a saint and a beagle do just the same.
> sometimes, tho, i think they are going for
> earthworms/nightcrawlers, tho how they can smell
> them in the ground is beyond me.
> ttfn......
> Linda H. and the Route 66 pack
Your dogs DIG as ANXIETY RELIEF MECHANISMS
and OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDERS, DOCTOR:
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: lehun...@aol.com (LEHunger)
Date: 22 Dec 2001
Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!
actually, I prefer the dogs digging now and then,
for it serves to aerate and dethatch the lawn, I think.
ttfn......
Linda H. and the Route 66 pack
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 02:13:59 -0500
Subject: Re: dig tremendous holes!
Yeah? You got any cure for diggin?
I do.
You don't.
Who's the troll? Bye!
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiza...@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003
Subject: Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder -
UofOH Researchers Find Link Between Stress And Illness
HOWEDY dra linda,
"Tallgrass" <tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:aeb1ce4e.0306...@posting.google.com...
> "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
<news:CGpLa.17038$C83.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
> > HOWEDY Dra. Linda,
> > The following information MAY be enough
> > for you to arrive at a clinical diagnosis... if
> > you're REAL sharp:
>
> While I enjoy a good challenge,
Do you NHOWE?
> and aknowledge the gauntlet has been thrown to the ground,
INDEEDY. The Puppy Wizard is waitin for
someWON to bend over to pick it up...
> diagnosing on the net would at best be speculative on my part.
Well dra, there's NEW EVIDENCE that will UN SPECULATE you.
> Not that I am not up to this,
Just don't reply, and you're up for it, dra...
> just that I value my licence, the key to my livelihood!
INDEEDY. There's NEW psychiatric findings to be made here... dra.
> But it sure is interesting to read some of these posts and wonder
Yeah. The Puppy Wizard enjoys wonderin and speculatin.
> just what prompts some of these posts, what fuels them.
When a dr figgers THAT HOWET, they get
themselves logged into the anals of science.
> Linda H. and her spoiled, narcissistic dogs
HOWEDY professors, doctors, scientists, and dog lovers,
The Puppy Wizard has been tellin you all along
that any negative interactions produce stress
which can cause OCD behaviors as recently
"discovered" by researchers at Purdue, and
likeWIZE can have debilitating effects on the
immune / endocrine and other systems.
The latest research from Ohio University PROVES
THE LINK between Interleukin-6 and STRESS such
as in simply tellin your dog 'NO!' or SCRUFF
SHAKIN IT or locking IT in a box and IGNORING
ITS CRIES or jerking and choking or shocking or
spraying aversives in ITS face, as The Puppy
Wizard has been CRITICIZED for TEACHING HERE
FOR FIVE GODDAMNED YEARS NHOWE.
Current research validates The Puppy Wizard's WILD
ASSED UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS that STRESS from MISHANDLING
can cause damned near EVERY health and temperament problem
just short of including freakin hangnails.
IT'S FREAKIN TIME TO ROLL OVER OR END YOUR CAREERS.
The Puppy Wizard has not been playin games and is
ready to bring HIS FINDINGS to the media and scientific
community, at which time such OBSTRUCTIONISTS as
professor LYING DOC, SCRUFF SHAKE dermer and his ilk,
will be TARGETED and this universities held liable
for MALPRACTICE and ANIMAL ABUSE.
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:39:14 GMT
Subject: Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
HOWEDY Dra. Linda,
The following information MAY be enough
for you to arrive at a clinical diagnosis... if
you're REAL sharp:
"Tallgrass" <tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:aeb1ce4e.03062...@posting.google.com...
> Dimpled Chad <dimpl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:Xns93A6836CF5EF...@130.133.1.4>...
> > On 26 Jun 2003, Melinda Shore opined:
> > > In article <3EFB2B43.57DC2...@ig.utexas.edu>,
> > > Gwen Watson <g...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote:
> > >>Borderline Personality disorder
BORDERLINE??? We ain't got BORDERLINE NUTHIN here
abHOWEts. We got full blown psychosis goin on...
There's a PATHOLOGY here amongest HOWER dog lovers.
The Puppy Wizard is abHOWEt to come up with the
under-lying cause of it, to boot. It's all
articulated in The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
> > >> is particularly hard to deal with
INDEEDY, because it's self perpetuating, like "self
rewarding" behavior... HOWE ELSE can you explain these
lying dog abusing Punk Thug Cowards lying and denying
their own words, all huddled together here like a 12
step group therapy meetin?
> > >> or so I have read. But really all them are.
> > >> Historics Narcistics, borderlines etc.
Most of HOWER regular posters are actively in treatment
and taking psychotropic pharmacuticals. Look for Soup's
list, it's ALL true. The Puppy Wizard and Soup have NEVER
LIED on HOWER forums...
> > > I suspect I have an historic personality disorder. Hmmm.
Seems gwen honey's head is still spinnin from croakin
her dog a couple weeks ago when IT escaped her shock fence.
> > Livin in the past, huh?
Any port in a storm...
> > *chuckle*
The Puppy Wizard intends to wipe that chuckle off
of disciple cad's twisted ugly mug... PUBICLY, in
the media, when HE brings the GOOD NEWS to the
general pubic.
> > Gwen, I think it's Histrionic Personality
> > Disorder. Just FYI.
Yeah... if it wasn't for bein master word weasels,
most of HOWER regular posters wouldn't be able to
continue lyin to themselves.
> > Best,
> > Chad
BEWWAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> aka hysterical,
INDEED? You NOTICED HOWER dog lovers are goin
hysterical over The Puppy Wizard EXXXPOSING them.
> not to be confused with anything to do with
> the uterus (Greek word for uterus/womb =
> hyst something or another).
Let's not confuse what's REALLY goin down here, Dra. Linda.
You're a psychiatrist?
You ought to be able to figger THIS
case HOWER rather EZ.
Just review a few of the posts...
> And hysterics we do see on this list,
> so the posts are all relevant!!
INDEEDY! What you're seein nHOWE is
a group psychotic reaction. We're in the
midst of an EXTINCTION BURST.
It's been goin on quite a while, as HOWER
dog abusers who leave in shame are
replaced by their new inductees to the
halls of mental illness.
> When you think about it, dogs may be
> the ultimate narcissists.
INDEED. Perhaps working with dogs professionally
for 40 sumpthin years is HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard
learned HIS narcissistic attitudes and behaviors?
Well, at any rate, indulging a dog is not
a fault, in fact, it makes them VERY
VERY VERY happy and causes them
to naturally want to do anything we ask...
Think positive THUGmotaxis. The opposition
reflex occurs physically AND emotionally.
> Linda H., M.D., psychiatrist
Bein CRAZY got NUTHIN to do with The
Puppy Wizard's FINDINGS on BEHAVIORISM.
The Puppy Wizard can go fry HIS own arse, yet
HIS FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
STUDENTS and DDR owners will STILL GET THE
SAME SAME SAME SAME 100% CONSISTENT SATISFACTORY
RESULTS.
The Puppy Wizard HAS YET TO FAIL ANY dedicated Student.
NOT WON, professor.
SHORE, we've had a couple LIARS sez the FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method DIDN'T WORK,
but they've ALL been PROVEN to have NOT EVEN
READ the TEXT... as you yourself admitted YOU
never READ THE TEXT before CONDEMNING IT here
on The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Forum.
> fourth edition (DSM IV). Washington, DC:
> American Psychiatric Association. The text
> in italics is based on: Sam Vaknin - Malignant
> Self Love - Narcissism Revisited.
Well professor SCRUFF SHAKE, The Puppy Wizard is
INSULTED that you'd resort to OTHER PEOPLE'S WORK,
instead of coming up with YOUR OWN IDEAS and
INFORMATION to sabotage HIM.
Seems your Nana made a bad choice of INVESTMENTS
in WASTIN IT on your university education, professor.
> For the exact language of the DSM IV
> criteria - please refer to the manual itself !!!
> http://samvak.tripod.com/npdglance.html
INDEED? That'd be a colossal WASTE OF TIME for a
DOG LOVER when they SHOULD RIGHTLY be studying
their own FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
Here's HOWER good professor SCRUFF SHAKE and the
DOG LOVERS of rpdb from whom he has learned MUCH:
The Puppy Wizzzard just wants everyWON
to have a good time while they're here...
HERE'S HOWE HOWER DOG LOVERS HAVE FUN:
-
>^,,^<
From: tallgrassprai...@earthlink.net (Tallgrass)
Date: 6 Sep 2003
Subject: Re: seperation anxiety siberian malamute
pml13...@aol.commydog (Phyllis-Take out mydog first) wrote in message
<news:20030904070221...@mb-m18.aol.com>...
> Hi
> does anyone know of any great books on seperation
> anxiety..siberian male neutered age2 had since
> a pup... he has always been a "hyper" dog but
> claws at windows,damages all screens,cries, chews
> spa, can't be trusted inside.. when crated goes nuts...
> vet says he'll grow out of it..just a pup but soooo
> much damage..hubby is extreemly upset.. I have severe
> rsd in my hands took me a while to write this depending
> on health may take a little while to respond back thanks
> in advance :)
> I know God won't give me anything I can't handle. I just
> wish he didn't trust me so much = The sun in one hand -
> the moon in the other
> phyllis
> >^,,^<
==============================
HA!!
HA HA!!
I have a beastlet just like that here.....going on
five years or more of age. There is no sign of his
having improved in the year that I have had him,
after he was brought to me by a surburbanite who
could not manage him in town; this after finding
him behind a mall, apparently escaped from recent
neutering.
Woofie is the beast, to be precise...a fine dog
as long as he can be with me all the time, part
?mal/siberian/german shepherd?(the latter the
vet's opinion).
After that, it all goes to Hades in a handbasket.
Yes, he is crate broken, a chore that I undertook and
accomplished....as long as it has something to do with
riding in the car, and that it is not a Vari-Kennel to which
he will rip off the front.
In the house.....Very difficult to even get the dog into the crate.
Leave him alone in the house.....what's yours in mine, is Woofie's motto.
Put him in the kennel, and he has budged thru nine
gauge fencing as well as gone over the six foot pens,
even while they are covered.
Boarded him recently, while I was out of town, and
Woofie escaped several times, only to turn around
and trot back into the building to see his other buddies.
And when put into their "secure" kennel, he got his
head up thru the covering of the run before the staff
got there and pushed him back in. The kennel responded
with putting ties on every point of chainlink.
I keep working with Woofie, and he has demonstrated
his allegiance to me, but short of medicating him or
hot-wiring the kennel, I am not optimistic that I
will successfully contain him soon.
Hope you have better luck than I have had!
Linda H., venting
----------------------------
You mean, LIKE THIS, DOCTORA?:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.
From: Hoku Beltz
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Mahalo
Aloha Jerry,
Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy
technique is working wonders. I have not had a
shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice
to be able to leave the bed made and come home
to a made bed.
Your program is awesome, but you already know
that. Keep up the good work!
Hoku
=================
"Hoku Beltz" <h...@rsphawaii.com> wrote in message
news:SN2k9.45447$V7.10...@twister.socal.rr.com...
Aloha Sunny,
Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how
insignificant some of the step seem to be and your pupy will
be a very well behaved dog in a few days.
I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes
as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles.
I went the training route first, and still had problems until I
found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs.
You won't be dissapointed if you follow the program.
Good luck,
Hoku
==================
From: Chris Williams (k9ap...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26
Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.
A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.
She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.
============================
Chris Williams writes:
"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"
====================
Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi.
Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have
spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of his business.
I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with
regards to separation anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal
and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a
very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold-
the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and
personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes
him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
*********************************
Date: 2001-11-14
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
> Hi!
> I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method...
> In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation
> anxiety surrogate toy technique."
>
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with
> my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer)
> Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I
just used it last evening while my husband and I went
out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of
a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from
end to end in the meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise
techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to
begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
===========
From: "LEE " <>
To: <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004
Subject: Wits end training in England
HOWEDY Lee,
> Hi,
> I have stumbled across your training method on the internet
EXCELLENT!
Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence.
> and I am pleased to say, one part of it has worked
> already after only 3 days of training.
Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and
PRECISELY. It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving
of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods.
> I own two boxers, one of which is a rescue dog who
> sufferred from 'seperation anxiety'
SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break.
> and would constantly chew his bedding in his crate
> when in the house alone. After only 2 sessions of
> praising his favourite nylon bone and leaving it in
> front of the crate before leaving, the behaviour is gone!
> Lee.
HOWETSTANDING!
===================
"Anthony Testa" <testa52...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c603fe9c.02032...@posting.google.com...
> I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year
> ago with my lovely wife linda. 3 times a week
> for 7 months I visited the Dog shelter and
> Humane Society looking for a German Shepherd.
> There were several times they had a dog there,
> but I was looking for a bitch. The reason for this
> is, all my life I have always had a female German
> shepherd. Therefore, I wanted another one. Finally
> about 6 weeks ago, I found her. "Angel" looked
> just like my previous dog of 12 years. I called my
> wife, she came down and fell in love with her immediately.
> We filled out the paper work and left the Humane
> Society with her. We drove directly to Pet Smart to
> buy all the essentials. We bought the biggest crate
> available. Let it be known I have never used a crate
> with any of my previous dogs. The biggest difference
> is my other dogs I had from puppy age. Angel just
> turned 2, 3 days before adoption.
> Angel appeared to be happy the trip home. Her ears
> were down all the time and her tail was so far between
> her legs that it looked like she had 3 ears. (humor)
> None the less, we knew we had a dog that was insecure.
> The first night we let Angel sleep in the living room.
> However, we had to go to work the next day. We pet
> her, kissed her and put her in the crate in the middle
> of the living room. During the day, my sons came
> home to walk her, give her a little loving and play with
> her. Then put her back in the crate and go to work.
> When we got home the first day, everything in the
> crate was ripped to shreds. The neighbors
> approached us and said that the dogs barked
> constantly for 3 hours then barked continuously after
> my sons left again. We thought it was because
> everything was new. We were wrong. The dig did
> this every day for 4 days.
> The 4th day was our first scheduled visit with the
> vet. The vet told us he can see that the dog is
> suffering from abuse and separation anxiety. So,
> the vet puts the dog on clomicalm. (not sure of the
> spelling).
> Well, for two days the dog walked around like Jerry
> Garcia on a Friday night after a concert, stoned!
> However, we were home with her the entire weekend.
> We crated her for work and came home to a barking
> dog, ripped bedding in the crate, upset neighbors
> and the plastic bottom of the crate completely torn
> to bits. It was obvious that crating was not a good thing.
> The next day we decided to leave her out of the crate
> to see what would happen. What a major mistake.
> We came home to almost $1,000 in damage.
> Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn down, etc.
> The next day we put her in the crate again. This
> time we came home to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our
> carpet in the middle of the living room, right down
> to the cement. I told my wife that we cannot afford
> to keep this dog. We should go out and get a puppy.
> She was upset and said there must be something
> we can do. I told her this. " I will go on the internet
> and see what is available". I was desperate and
> wanted to see if there was someone who could help.
> We read the information about the DDR and emailed
> Jerry. Jerry was kind enough to give us his phone
> number to discuss Angel in more detail.
> First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started
> doing exactly what he said to do in the manual.
> Exactly as we did was was written, the results were
> exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased
> the DDR.
> This is an amazing god send to us. First of all,
> Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks for that
> gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect. This
> testimonial is kind of winded so I will say this......Jerry's
> product literally saved this dogs life.
> Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The
> dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry told
> us the product works immediately and it did! She does
> not bark at all during the day except when the mailman
> drops mail into the slot on the door.
> The manual for training works exactly as it says!
> We told our vet about this and he said that there are
> all kind of gimmicks. I told my vet that as a person who
> holds a degree of higher education, there just are some
> things they don't have in the text books and he should
> be receptive to that. We are proof. Angel was one
> day from going back to the humane society.
> Listen to this...My wife wrote one of the so called know
> it all of pets. His response to the exact letter we
> initially wrote to Jerry..."Get rid of the dog, bring her
> back" I'll save this person embarrassment by not saying the
> name. However, you know who you are and I have this to say
> to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you
> sir, do not belong working with animals!
> Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
> You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
> you my friend are a life saver!!!
> Anytime you need someone to speak about the results
> of your product, you have my number. We would gladly
> talk to them.
> Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you...
> Anthony & Linda Testa
> Jacksonville, Florida
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> m...@bangnetcom.com (Mark Shaw) wrote in message
<news:lmWo8AeR...@panix.com>...
> > In article
> > <c603fe9c.0203260607.77c28...@posting.google.com>,
> > testa52...@aol.com (Anthony Testa) wrote: [...]
> > > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news
> > > group, I can't for the life of me understand why this
> > > many people are so dang blind or ignorant.
> > > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because
> > > you my friend are a life saver!!!
> > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really?
> Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you
> have read is true.
> We were at witts end, found Jerry's web page by
> happenstance, wrote to him almost exactly what
> you read, he gave me his suggestions, told me
> what my results would be including a time line
> and, you know what? He was and still is, right
> on the money.
> I don't care if he's a warlock, a professor, disgruntled
> Entomologist, or a man with a niche that makes the sciences
> itchy, he saved the day AND a dog's life.
> We were given suggestions from Medication, to a
> Behavioral Specialist. I decided that instead of creating
> a Jerry Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars an hour for my
> dog to lay on a couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry
> Howe's method seemed to be more humane and serene.
> It worked, end of story. .
> A. Testa
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My student Anthony summed it all up:
"Alpha" <sween...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:bsf69.5447$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> Well there you go, I was willing to believe but then jerry
> it was another hallucination of yours, just like all those
> thank you letters you write, a lie, a fabrication, a wank...
> > From: TESTA52601 (testa52...@aol.com)
> > Subject: Re: Thank you Jerry Howe
> > Date: 2002-03-28 10:01:34 PST
> > Alpha,
> > It's uneducated, ball breakers like you that create dismay
> > throughout this society. Get a life. you took apart a
> > letter from someone who has shown nothing but love and
> > caring, including lots of money and twisted it to YOUR
> > point. Ever consider politics?
> > I challenge you to show me your credentials and
> > results you come up with. The things I did with
> > the dog WAS against MY wishes. However, I
> > listen to pencil neck geeks that sit behind a monitor
> > and get 30 different suggestions.
> > This dog could not be happier if she was gnawing
> > on all three of your legs.
> > The bottom line to my letter was to tell people
> > "don't knock it until you try it"
> > P.S. Write me personally if you have any
> > credentials.......
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From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
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From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we
have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these
problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
==============
"Nevyn" <greatd...@badmama.com.au> wrote in message
news:10616959...@grimiore.conceptual.net.au...
HOWEDY Group,
Here some SUCCESS STORIES ive had using JERRY'S MANUAL
1) My dogz, two bitches - Vicious, barking, aggressive, pulled
on leash, wanted to kill any dogs they saw, fought between
each other. TWO WEEKS using Jerry's manual, they were calm,
friends, my companions.
2) ADDED A BEAGLE PUPPY (male) to my "PACK", the
girls had -NO PROBLEMS- with him from the moment I
dropped him by their noses.
3) My FRIENDS dogs 2 MALES barking and jumping
at the fence all night 3 DAYS TRAINING WITH JERRY'S
MANUAL they were CALMED AND HAVEN'T BARKED ONCE!
Added a NEW MALE DOG (2 yrs old) AND
WELCOMED HIM WITH NO WUCKAS !
4) POODLE that ATE food from the KITCHEN BENCH -
lock him in a box? NO! USE JERRYS MANUAL! 4 DAYS
AND HES NEVER DONE IT SINCE!
5) ABUSED DOGS AT THE SHELTER I WORK AT -
HAD TO BE FED WITH A BUCKET ON A STICK -
ONE WEEK ON JERRYS MANUAL, THE SUPERVISOR
TOLD ME TO PUT THEM IN THE PUBLIC KENNELS
FOR SALE !
Quite amazing to - I thought they were just dull coloured
dogs, but after I had removed the fear and anxiety their
hairs coloured up amazingly.
6) STAFFY FEMALE who would NOT DROP HER
BALL! She carried it around all day and night - 3
DAYS on jerrys MANUAL and she now DROPS
it when u ASK her to!
BWHWHAHAHAHAAHA !!!!
Nevyn
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Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog
Dear Jerry,
I hope you'll be able to post this message so more
people who are at their wit's end will be able to help
their dogs.
To review:
Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms.
At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly
from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep.
>From there the problem grew. She would run to the far
southeast corner of the house (which makes sense
because most storms here come from the northwest)
and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake.
!st attempt to help her:
I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut -
I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since
she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she
relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.
Traumatic event:
We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy
friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there
was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard.
>From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.
I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear
spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder,
just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out.
The solution:
I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.
A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me
to try both the manual and the product.
Problem solved:
I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is
most generous with his time and advice). The first two
thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running
around in a blind panic.
The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger
bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she
seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my
feet and she napped through the rest of the storm.
A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.
A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a
machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took
the chance because Jerry offered a full refund
including shipping.
Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When
I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most
quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to
say: "What's that? I never heard that before."
She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware
of its cycles.
Amazing.
Thank you Jerry.
=============
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To: ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..
Jerry!
You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!
He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.
I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!
Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...
Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.
I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who
beat MY ass lol!
Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.
A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....
Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!
Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard
==========================
And THAT'S HOWE COME you and your
lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental
case pals can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN SHY"
dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer is
INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter
apple, suppose I don't get used to being stupid
and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The
Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!"
And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT
all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER
to HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump
with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran
back to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her
babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that
is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have,
> > but I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
sinofabitch writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
> >> took posts from two different people,
Of curse THAT'S a lie.
> >> took pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
> >> cobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
> >> then added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> >> and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> >> Which is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
> >> The actual quote is misleading
That so?
> >> when taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
> >> and Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.
> >> is downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
> > Here's Jerry's version:
> > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
> > Here's yours;
> > "I dropped the leash, threw my
> > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> > grabbed her opposite foot with my
> > left hand, rolled her on her side,
> > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> > nipped her ear.
> > --Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> >that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.
Lynn K.
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs.
It's a safety necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn
"Training is not confrontation," lynn k.
<except when it is>
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation."
Lynn K.
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
"Remember this - The decision to "do right" that most
helps a dog's character is the decision that he makes
himself. You cannot teach a dog to not want something,
any more than you can teach a human not to want something."
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
------------------------------�---
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most Of
The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That Interested
In Praise," BINACA bethFIST, professional trainer.
"The Best Way To Teach Him To Stay Away Is To
Step On Him Once. Seriously," BINACA bethFIST,
professional trainer..
"Hold Back The Dobie Girl So That Izzy Can
Put Simon In His Place," BINACA bethFIST,
professional trainer.
"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flmarc...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.02061...@posting.google.com...
> > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
> <news:20020610173326...@mb-fx.aol.com>...
> > > >"brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
You think matty's playin with a full goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee
the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him
down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears,
or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar
or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1...@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2D...@earthlink.net>
rhurw...@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from
> Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,
========================================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5
seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk or
strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems
the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.�),
--Marshall
Here's professor dermer after gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
> From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
> Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
> I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
> and now must applaud your attempts to save
> animals from painful training procedures.
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent�,
> who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts �to
> alert the world to animal abuse.
> We are lucky to have you, and more people should
> come to their senses and support your valuable
> work.
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
> Have you thought about holding a press conference
> so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
> and significant work?
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
> --Marshall Dermer
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
YOU GOT A DIAGNOSIS YET, Dra. Linda?
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Blood tests showed that a chemical called Interleukin-6 sharply
increased in the blood of the stressed caregivers compared with
blood of the others in the test. Previous studies have associated
IL-6 with several diseases, including heart disease, arthritis,
osteoporosis, type-2 diabetes and certain cancers.
The study also found the increase in IL-6 can linger in caregivers
for as long as three years after a caregiver had ceased that role
because of the spouse's death. Of the test group, 78 spouses
died during the survey.
"This really makes a link to why chronic stress can actually kill
people," said Janice Kiecolt-Glaser, professor of psychology
and psychiatry at Ohio State University. "We haven't had a
good mechanism before."
She explained that people under stress tend to respond by
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It clearly points to the need to control stress better, she said.
The findings by the research group, headed by Kiecolt-Glaser
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> The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed
> autoantibodies to their own DNA. They also found that vaccinated dogs
> were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. The vaccinated,
> but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed
> autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin,
> laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.
>
> between tissues and organs in a living organism.
>
> http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
I read one of the studies (the one on Great Danes), and I remain
Char
> Char wrote:
>> The Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed
>> autoantibodies to their own DNA. They also found that vaccinated dogs
>> were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. The vaccinated,
>> but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed
>> autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including
>> fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and
>> collagen.
>>
>> between tissues and organs in a living organism.
>>
>> http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html
>
> I read one of the studies (the one on Great Danes), and I remain
> unconvinced. Even IF (see below) the autoimmune deficiencies could be
> detected and linked to the repeated vaccinations, it does not seem to
> have any measurable effect on the dogs' life expectancy.
>
> To quote from the study:
>
> "Hypothesis 3: Vaccinated compared with unvaccinated Great Dane dogs
> have a significantly higher risk of autoimmune diseases, particularly
> hypothyroidism.
>
> We were unable to test this hypothesis ... the long-term potential
> adverse consequence of repeated vaccination is likely to remain unknown."
>
> The choice of words in this last sentence is unfortunate, since it
> suggests that there *must* be an adverse consequence --- we just haven't
> found it yet. But until a study proves the presence of such an adverse
> effect, I'd much rather not have to contemplate the prospects of my dog
> getting rabies, thank you very much!
>
>
You think the vaccine manufacturers will do such a study? LOL! Of course
not! But the good news is that there is a study going on to show that
the vaccines last a lot longer than present thinking.
The problem is that the vets won't admit the adverse reactions are due
to vaccines and don't report them as such.
Most likely your pet would never come in contact with a rabid animal
anyway. Almost every place where legislation was put into place
regarding rabies never had a problem with rabies to begin with.
And stop thinking that vaccines are the only way to get immunity.
Char
> HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too, veterinary malpractice
> office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar, dog
> abuser, coward, animal murderin FRAUD mental case,
>
> "Sharon Too" <askfor...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HbydnfU6fLHIxUvX...@neonova.net...
>> Char is a conspiracy theorist.
>
> "THEORY" means unproven suppHOWESITION, don't it, sharon?
>
> "Seem" Chardonnay9 GOT EVIDENCE, not THEORIES <{}:~ ( >
Yep, quite a lot of it. Sharon doesn't care. She only cares that she
doesn't face reality and see the damage she does.
>
>> For those who question her motives,
>
> You'll do an say ANY THING to DEFEND your alledged RIGHT to HURT INTIMIDATE
> MUTILATE an MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters an LIE abHOWET IT
> <{}:~ ( >
>
>> "research",
>
> Might sharon the veterinary obfuscationist care to refute the SCIENCE?
>
>> or theories,
>
> THEORIES KILL DOGS, don't they, sharon?
>
>> she accuses them of killing dogs.
>
> INDEED? Naaaah. Chardonnay9 has clearly indicted *you* <{}';~ ) >
>
>> She claims that since we own an animal hospital that we kill animals
>
> INDEEDY. You surgically digitally an sexually MUTILATE innocent kats an
> dogs.
>
>> because we sell Frontline and Advantage.
>
> Don't forget the rest of your apuproved veterinary toxins <{}:~ ( >
>
>> It has *never* happened
>
> You mean you DON'T REALIZE it happens ALL THE TIME, you MENTAL CASE.
>
>> and our records show that the life expectency of our patients has
>> dramatically increased
>> in the last 10 years,
>
> INDEED? Then your own records DISAGREE with the STATISTICS <{}:~ ( >
Very good point! Of course, if you are determined to say that adverse
reactions are due to anything but the vaccines you won't have records
that tell the truth.
>
>> but somehow she thinks she knows otherwise.
>
> You're a PROVEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASE, remember, sharon?
>
>> However, we do see a fair share of pets who suffer and die from flea
>> bite anemia.
>
> INDEED? They're former CASH CUSTOMERS for your ineffective flea
> treatments <{}:~ ( >
ROFLOL! She forgot to mention all those who died were not eating
nutritionally appropriate food.
>
>> Combing and vaccuuming does not eliminate the pet as host to these
>> parasites.
>
> Of curse not~!
>
>> If your child had lice would you comb and vaccuum them?
>
> Of curse not~! You ever heard of SOAP an WATER?? "Cleanlieness
> is next to G-dlieness", remember, sharon?
>
>> Since my killfile even hates her and pukes her out every now and then,
>
> "Seem" it was *you* who opened her post, remember, sharon?
>
> Or was you havin a other PSYCHOTIC BREAK from reality??
>
>> I'm sure I'll see her conspiracy tirade soon enough.
>
> Naaah. Just try readin the INFORMATION on her links <{};~ ) >
She'd rather be scared that someone will recognize the truth about her.
Notice she will not mention the name of the clinic she works for nor
it's location.
Matthew
"Char" <chard...@earthlink.net>
<snipped for responding to twit>
Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
Char
Why would I killfile such a great guy? I've done well with his training
manual.
Sharon Too
>
> <snipped for responding to twit>
>
> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
Char
How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you mutilate? How
many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How many legit vaccine
negative reactions did you ignore?
hathtobe
> Sharon Too wrote:
> >> "Char" <chardonn...@earthlink.net>
Are you all in the same "crazy house"? I am pretty sure that none of
you actually care about your dogs, you are either too drugged up or
too anti social to be able to raise pets properly. Or are you just one
person so crazy that you have such a severe case of schizophrenia that
you are playing the doctor and patient roles?
It is wonderful that you have your training method and it is not a bad
one at that, but you only really need to treat your pets nicely and
they will do whatever you want. Common sense works better than
throwing cans at your dogs. It is just grand that you are so caring
and advocate such a non cruel approach in your posts but a little bit
hypocritical that you care and would not hurt your own pets but see no
problem going out and slaughtering poor animals so your loving
critters can have fresh, raw, dead critters everyday?
Then you have the other persona that is a lonely spinster that really
wants to be loved and goes out and gets a cute loving dog but when the
dog is not fulfilling her needs she wants to force it to love her and
when that does not work for the poor abused critter she kills it and
tries again with a newer smaller dog which is easier to control and
kill in the end.
I suggest all of you (or you?) go out and socialize without your dogs
and then once you can do that maybe you can try it with your pets. And
by socializing I do not mean going to your NA meetings where everyone
is as depressed and anti social as you are.
I hate to say this but most dogs will take all kinds of abuse from its
owner and still be a loving loyal critter, you people have so many
problems you really must be doing some bad shit to your critters for
them to behave against you like they do?
And why does it take so long for people to train their dogs not to pee
and shit in the house????? And what is with the cages you put them in
so they do not piss and shit in the house? Common logic would tell you
if the critter sees the cage as its house it will consider shitting
outside of the cage ( in your house) as normal. It takes a day or two
to stop a dog from pissing inside and no special training outside of
taking the critter outside and saying good dog every time it pisses
outside. No cans to throw at it, no talking to the furniture, no
hanging it by the neck and locking it up and scolding when it shits
inside, just watch your dog for a night or two you will see when they
need to piss and shit and if you can not tell then you are too stupid
to own a dog.
news
"Char" <chard...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uPydnWA3c8lrY0HX...@earthlink.com...
Hasn't your liver expired yet?
Char
My liver has never been healthier, thank you very much!
(David P.)
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"hathtobe" <hath...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ff7ccee1-00d1-4f45...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 8:06 pm, Char <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Sharon Too wrote:
> >> "Char" <chardonn...@earthlink.net>
>
> >>> <snipped for responding to twit>
sharon is a lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE an FRAUD.
> "Matthew" <iamacat...@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
> news:4adb300c$0$5085$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >>> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
Yeah... "seem" matthew is a kat lover an snipped the cross post
to his beloved kats forum so's they may CONtinue HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN MUTILATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET it JUST LIKE HOWE they
PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
> >> Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
sharon the lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE is president
of the veterinary OBFUSCATIONIST organization <{}: ~ ( >
>> How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you
>> mutilate? How many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How
>> many legit vaccine negative reactions did you ignore?
> Are you all in the same "crazy house"?
You mean 'crazy HOWES', don't you,
hathtobe, just HOWETA RESPECT <{}:~ ) >
"Seem" it's *you* who can't discern the LYIN ANIMAL
MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS from the knowledgable,
CARING animal lovers we got here abHOWETS <{}: ~ ( >
Granted, there's only a FEW of us, but I do believe it's
*you* who has CONfHOWENDED us; perhaps THAT'S
on accHOWENTA you're a ignorames or a fraud?
> I am pretty sure that none of you actually care about your dogs,
You think just on accHOWENTA folks here abHOWETS
PREFER to jerk choke shock mutilate toxify an MURDER
their own innocent defenseless dumb critters means they
DON'T CARE abHOWET their critters?
Naaaah. They CARE; but only abHOWET themselves <{}: ~ ( >
> you are either too drugged up or too anti social to be
> able to raise pets properly.
Agreed. AND it's all been DOCUMENTED right here in
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory <{}';~ ) >
> Or are you just one person so crazy that you have such
> a severe case of schizophrenia that you are playing the
> doctor and patient roles?
INDEED we DO have a few *(actually MOORE than a few)
active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL PATIENTS who ONLY LIVE to HURT and INTIMIDATE
innocent defenseless dumb critters <{}:~ ( >
> It is wonderful that you have your training
> method and it is not a bad one at that,
INDEED? Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA that Chardonnay9
mentioned Jerry Howe's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training
Method?
That DOES tend to inordinately CONcern HOWER
MENTAL PATIENTS, DON'T IT, hathtobe <{}:~ ( >
> but you only really need to treat your pets nicely
> and they will do whatever you want.
INDEED? Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
A. S. Neill, Tthe Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass
And Their Behaviour Would Stop,
- As If By Magic.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it
manifests itself in the conditional reflex,
consists of a continual change of these three
fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition
and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
-------------------
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward /
punishment procedure developing imitative speech
in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic
boys. After twenty-six days the boys are reported
to have been learning new words with alacrity.
HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a
delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical
emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of
the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to
five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily
with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
APUPRIATE, EFFECTIVE, NON-PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC
methods of raisin handlin trainin an care AIN'T matters of
OPINION or PREFERENCES; they're matters of SCIENCE
and FACTS:
Punishment ALWAYS Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
--------------
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training
for years. I have a huge library that covers
every system of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End
Training Method is by far the most scientific,
the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest
and the most effective training method yet
discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and
tricks; it is a logically consistent system.
Every behavior problem and every obedience
skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please
endeavor to understand the basis of his system
and please follow his directions exactly. His
manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with
theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur
and how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his
methods based upon what you personally like or
dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a
complete and integrated system for not only
training a dog but for raising a loving
companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system
creates for you the dog of your dreams, his
response was that it produces for your dog the
owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are
gentle with your dog then he will be gentle
with you, if you praise your dog every time he
looks at you, then you will become the center
of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound
distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train
your dog to not misbehave (even in your
absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train
my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me
clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound
distraction / praise / alteration / variation)
it takes just minutes to train you dog to
respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week
old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little
legs would carry him in response to my recall
command-and he comes running every time I call
no matter where we are or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains
upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold
exercises and his Family Pack Leadership
exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog,
if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if
you hurt him, if you force him then his natural
response is to oppose you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he
is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a
person's ideas based upon their personality. As
far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart
upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he
hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not
effective and that it will certainly lead to
behavior problems; sometime problems so severe
that people put their dogs down because of those
problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to
control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too.
We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In
scientific literature it is referred to
allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind
to force; they respond in like kind to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your
praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's
anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior
problems will dissipate along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as
you would the law of gravity and you will have
astounding success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a
sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely
get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
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From: "GEORGE VONHILSHEINER"
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Proposed article for Wikipedia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006
The Amazing Puppy Wizard is the cognomen
of a dog behaviorist, Jerry Howe, of Orlando, Fl.
Howe's primary teaching is that dogs deserve
unconditional love, respect, and attention and
that by providing these emotional needs dogs
will regulate their own behavior.
Howe is bombastically antagonistic to rewarders,
but he is aggressively hostile to punishers - he
refers antagonists to B.F. Skinner, Mary Cover
Jones, and J.B. Watson and especially to Samuel
A. Corson when they mistakenly annunciate behavioral
principles to support their use of punishment.
Punishment always deranges behavior, says Skinner,
Jones, Watson, Corson and Jerry Howe!
Howe developed a sonic device which calms dogs and
has been broadly tested in a wide range of different
situations.
The present author is a Who's Who recognized psychologist
who was asked to evaluate Howe's device by a former student.
Howe provided the author with a device, without
charge, and said device worked as reported.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
drv...@earthlink.net
Then cross reference to Jerry Howe, etc.
Jerry, the difficulty with these ignorant dog molesters
is that they cannot read. Negative reinforcement is no
response by the trainer.
There is positive reinforcement, an action which
is followed by an increase in the targetted behavior
(usually called "reward" which is precisely and
technically a misnomer), negative reinforcement
is the absence of any response.
Negative means 'No'.
Skinner's last book, "CUMULATIVE RECORD"
reviews this thoroughly.
http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/proj/nru/nr.html
Negative reinforcement is stopping an aversive
reinforcement according to this author. Read
it, they have a sense of humor!
There are four forms of systematic reinforcement:
do nothing (negative reinforcement)
reward the behavior (positive reinforcement)
punish the behavior (aversive reinforcement)
after habituating the subject to punishment,
stop punishing (relief of aversion, which is
negative reinforcement).
Logically, failing to reward after habituating
a reward is also negative reinforcement.
Actually intermittent rewards work better than
consistent, invariable rewards, so there is
actually another two categories.
Invariable reinforcement and random
reinforcement (on varying schedules).
Punishment is AVERSIVE REINFORCEMENT.
Actions which cause the animal being trained
to avoid, avert, cringe away from.
Pavlovians always responded to American
psychologist's inability to reproduce Pavlov's
results with dogs with the comment, "American's
don't LOVE their dogs".
If you ever observed a Russian psychologist
working with a dog, you'd instantly see the
difference.
American psychologists were wooden,
robot-like, wanted to be "scientific".
This meant to them that they should display no
affection, or any other emotion with the subjects.
When a Pavlovian dog started to misbehave or fail
to respond, doggie was taken out of the equipment,
and taken home for a loving vacation, with much TLC.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's last student, demonstrated
the same relationships at Ohio State.
Interestingly the first page of results for Sam
Corson, dog behaviorist is loaded with Jerry
Howe quoting Dr. Von. heh heh heh.
Dr. Von
Oh, by the way, you once had a pompous fellow
say that Dr. Von was a figment of your imagination.
I don't normally mention this, but I have been listed
in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and
in the big books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in
the World, WW in Medicine etc, and WW in
Science and Technology, since that date.
These are the Marquis Publications, the "real"
WW, and you can't get yourself into them.
GvH
-----------------------------------
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
> Common sense works better than throwing cans at your dogs.
"Seem" you've bought into the LIES puportrated upon us
by your fellHOWE dog lover MENTAL PATIENTS, eh, hath?
> It is just grand that you are so caring
INDEEDY~!
> and advocate such a non cruel approach in your posts
But of curse~! HOWE else COULD it be, hath?
> but a little bit hypocritical that you care and
> would not hurt your own pets
"Seem" you're blowin smoke up HOWER collective arses, eh, hath?
> but see no problem going out and slaughtering poor
> animals so your loving critters can have fresh, raw,
> dead critters everyday?
Even dogs gotta EAT. PERHAPS you PREFER lettin them
MURDER innocent defenseless bunnys for SPORT, JUST
LIKE HOWE so many of HOWER dog lovers PREFER?
> Then you have the other persona that is a lonely spinster
> that really wants to be loved and goes out and gets a cute
> loving dog but when the dog is not fulfilling her needs she
> wants to force it to love her and when that does not work
> for the poor abused critter she kills it and tries again with
> a newer smaller dog which is easier to control and kill in
> the end.
And your CONtribution to CEASING THAT kind of ABUSE
IDIOCY and INSANITY is EXXXACTLY WHAAAT??
> I suggest all of you (or you?) go out and socialize without your dogs
A EXXXCELLENT idea. ALL doggy socialization is DONE
pryor to leavin the litterbox otherWIZE WON wouldn't be
ABLE to handle their dog; perhaps it's only the "humans"
who NEED additional socialization?
> and then once you can do that maybe you can try it with your pets.
Their pets ARE an ALWAYS HAVE BEEN "socialized",
hath; WHAT NHOWE? Perhaps it's back to takin ANTI-
PSYCHOTIC pharmacuticals for HOWER dog lovers, eh, hath?
> And by socializing I do not mean going to your NA meetings
> where everyone is as depressed and anti social as you are.
UNFORTUNATELY, those are the only venues these
MENTAL PATIENTS are comfortable with <{}:~ ( >
> I hate to say this but most dogs will take all kinds of
> abuse from its owner and still be a loving loyal critter,
INDEED?
Oh, you mean they've become VICTIMS
of The Stockholm Syndrome <{}:~ ( >
> you people have so many problems you really must
> be doing some bad shit to your critters for them to
> behave against you like they do?
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
nessa wrote:
Sadly my big beautiful black Bagel went to Rainbow
Bridge on September 18 due to a severe debilitating
neck injury that left him unable to walk and in pain
when he moved his head.
HERE'S HOWE nessa BROKE
HER DEAD DOG Bagles' neck
kinda like HOWE nicks' DEAD
DOG Jezebel got her NECK BROKE:
Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: Nessa <use...@nessa.info>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
----------------------
AN LIKE THIS?:
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: Jezebel is gone
<the.longest.username.availa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1d176313-bb06-4898...@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
She passed last night at 4 am. She had been having neck pain
which we had been taking her to the vet about since Sunday.
We woke up at 3 am to her throwing up and
there was a significant amount of blood in it.
We then had her sleeping between us while we figured out
what to do and at 4 am I got up to let my mother in law in.
She was breathing when I got up and when I came back she had
stopped. I tried to revive her with CPR, but did not succeed.
She was approximately one year old and I wish I had been
able to spend more than just the two short months with her.
Nick
------------------------
nick wrote:
> > "I know were not "hurting" her when we hold
> > her down, as the force is not enough to do
> > any damage..."
> Wow - ONE comment.
You've already said enough, nicky.
> Do I do it any more?
You mean, beat your wife kids and dog, nicky?
> NO.
BWEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
WHAT CHANGED, nicky?
> > Serviette?
> Touche?
Yeah. SCHTUPPED... BUT GOOD, to say the least, nicky.
> I dunno HOWE you do it, Jerry.
It's EZ, nicky. It's ALL in The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Archives on Google.com, nicky.
> You come on these boards to do
> nothing but troll and flame and
IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT
HOWER Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES,
like yourself, nicky.
> give NOTHING back.
Let's take your temperature?
> People make mistakes -
NOT HERE.
HERE they make ON-PUPORSES.
> did I Do the right thing initially with my pup? NO -
DUH-OH?
> why do you think I came to post on the boards!
You came here for the SAME SAME SAME
SAME REASON the rest of these LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS and ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES come
here, nicky. You WANTED to LEARN HOWE to
HURT and INTIMIDATE your dog ENOUGH to
MAKE IT RESPECT your G-D like AUTHORITY.
> I don't so much as look at her crosseyed now,
On accHOWENTA SHE'S DEAD an BURIED <{}: ~ ( >
> so why don't you stop?
And THAT would make nicky VERY VERY
VERY HAPPY, WOULD IT, nicky??
> Nick
HOWEDY nick,
Looks like your "DOG WHEEESPERER" trainin BROKE HER NECK.
That happens pretty often here, DON'T IT <{}: ~ ( >
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
AN LIKE THIS:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
--------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him
a stern correction" --Janet Boss
Here's janet's CUSTOM MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
"Rudy is going to start learning the e-collar this week.
I'm sure you'll NOT hear screams from across the pond."
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
> > with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> I can't remember what model of Innotek I have,
> but I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
========
Here's janet's PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs to DESTROY her HOWES
an TURN ON HER:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
90 From: Sionnach
Date: Mon, Oct 9 2006
Email: "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com>
*I* was thanking the Deity that the NCR trail
was not my choice of hiking area today!!!!
Sorry, Paul, but the gloves are now off, because if I HAD
chosen the NCR trail today - rather than another local trail-
you would have been putting ***MY*** beloved dogs at
risk of serious injury or death. ***MY*** DOGS.
What the FUCKING HELL is **WRONG** with you???
Your dog, which you have repeatedly admitted you can't
control, just made a near-lethal unprovoked attack on
another dog in obedience class, and you TOOK HIM
OUT ON THE TRAILS WHERE THERE ARE OTHER
DOGS?????
You do that again, when my dogs are around, and he attacks
one of them, you won't have to worry about having him put
down - I will either break his spine or choke him to death
right then and there.
I'm dead fucking serious, Mr. Schoen.
----------------------
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars
> > on here.
> > Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
> to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
> I was flinging puppies across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
> talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
LIKE THIS:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@msn.com)
: Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
:
: Date: 2002-04-10
: "BethF" wrote:
: > I don't think any of our regulars bite
: > their dogs ears to leash train them.
: He's repeating one of Jerry's confabulations... I did,
: once, lightly nip a seriously out-of-control, temper-
: tantruming Labrador on the ear to get her attention.
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> "Sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
>: news:bvtf67$106jeh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > <yawn> Once again- that's NOT a quote
: > from any post of mine; JH "wrote" it, not me.
:
: No, that's a flat HOWET lie, sinofabich. It's a
: direct quote from YOU, with exception of TWO
: WORDS, "smartly" and "neatly."
:
: > It's quotes from two different posts, by two
: > different people -
:
: ONLY if you're SCHIZOPHRENIC, sinofabitch.
:
: > both taken out of context-
:
: YOU'RE A LIAR.
:
: We got your original post in The Puppy Wizard's Archives.
:
: You'll see your own words EXXXACTLY as QUOTED.
: And we'll likeWIZE see you DENYING your own words
: in three different ways!!!
:
: > and with extra wording added in by a third person.
:
: NO. YOU'RE A LIAR.
:
: The ONLY "extra words," SMARTLY and NEATLY,
: were INDEEDY, added by The Puppy Wizard, HOWEver
: they were NOT SIGNIFICANT, except for poetic license:
:
: You're a liar and a dog abuser and a MENTAL CASE:
:
: "When it was obvious that she had NO intention
: of paying any attention to anything but the other
: dogs (and that I was in danger of having my arm
: dislocated <G>), I didn't even think about it; I
: dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the
: Lab's shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with
: my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on
: her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear (not
: particularly hard- I wasn't trying to *hurt* her,
: just get her attention!)."
:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@msn.com)
: Subject: Re: I dropped the leash!
: Date: 2003-12-15 07:55:16 PST
:
: > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
: > Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
: > Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
: > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
: > And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear,"
:
: <yawn> That's not a quote written by me, kiddo.
: That's an amalgam of two different people's posts,
: with extra words added by Jerry.
:
: From: Sionnach (rhyfe...@msn.com)
: Subject: Re: another question from me and joy?
:
: Date: 2002-04-10
: "BethF" wrote:
: > I don't think any of our regulars bite their dogs ears
: > to leash train them.
:
: He's repeating one of Jerry's confabulations... I did,
: once, lightly nip a seriously out-of-control, temper-
: tantruming Labrador on the ear to get her attention.
:
: It had fuck-all to do with leash training though, and
: everything to do with getting through to an incredibly
: hard-headed, tough-minded, and spoiled-rotten dog
: that A. she was NOT going to physically control me
: the way she had every other female human she'd dealt
: with and B. that I was worth paying attention to.
:
: It came up in a discussion where someone else
: mentioned having nipped a terrier puppy who
: wouldn't stop play-biting. In both cases, it was a
: one-time instinctive response to an unusual situation.
:
: --------------------
: sinofabitch writes:
: > >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
: > >> took posts from two different people,
: > >> took pieces of them out of context,
: > >> cobbled them together,
: > >> then added his own words:
:
: "Neatly," and "Smartly."
:
: > >> and a fake signature.
:
: "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
:
: > >> Which is exactly what he did.
: > >> The actual quote is misleading
: > >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
: > >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
: > > Here's Jerry's version
: > > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
: > > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
: > > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
: > > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
: > > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
: > > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
: > > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
: > > Here's yours;
: > > "I dropped the leash, threw my
: > > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
: > > grabbed her opposite foot with my
: > > left hand, rolled her on her side,
: > > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
: > > nipped her ear.
: > > --Sara Sionnach
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
See?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
SEE?
> And why does it take so long
You mean 'HOWE COME does it take so long', DON'T
YOU, hathtobe, JUST HOWETA RESPECT <{}:~ ) >
> for people to train their dogs not to pee and shit in the house?????
HOWEsbreakin is a critters #1 & #2 MOST URGENT
TERRORTORIAL IMPERATIVES, hathtobe; they begin
HOWEsbreakin at three weeks of age an if they AIN'T
LOCKED IN BOXES they'd HOWEsbreak INSTINCTIVELY.
> And what is with the cages you put them
> in so they do not piss and shit in the house?
THAT'S HOWE COME dogs shit an piss in their HOWESES
and get hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL behaviors like
FEAR OF THUNDER, CAR SICKNESS, EXXXCESSIVE
BARKIN DIGGIN CHEWIN SELF-MUTILATION an SEIZURES.
> Common logic would tell you if the critter sees the cage
> as its house it will consider shitting outside of the cage
> ( in your house) as normal.
INDEED?
And you think you got a SOLUTION for the "PROBLEM", hath?
> It takes a day or two to stop a dog from pissing inside and
> no special training outside of taking the critter outside and
> saying good dog every time it pisses outside.
INDEEDY~!
> No cans to throw at it, no talking to the furniture,
You DON'T UNDERSTAND the METHODS, hathtobe;
you're INTENTIONALLY misCONstruin the INFORMATION
in your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And
Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual.
> no hanging it by the neck and locking it up and scolding when
> it shits inside, just watch your dog for a night or two you will
> see when they need to piss and shit and if you can not tell then
> you are too stupid to own a dog.
AGREED <{}'; ~ ) >
NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS until
you've LEARNED HOWE to DEBATE trainin methods.
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
*M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C*
*G-R-A-N-D*
*M-A-S-T-E-R*
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey
SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard <{) ;~ ) >
HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU <{}; ~ ) >
Sincerely,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Human And Animal Behavior
Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME)
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E-mail:
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TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard @HotMail.Com
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
MENTAL CASE,
Your kats groups are DOOMED, just like HOWE The
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard DESTROYED the dog
lover's groups <{}:~ ) >
"Matthew" <iamacat...@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Char" <chard...@earthlink.net>
>
> <snipped for responding to twit>
>
> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
"Seem" matthew is a other MENTAL CASE
whom we been WARNING abHOWET the
RISKS of GARBAGE commercial diets and
veterinary apuprooved toxins:
From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
Remember the Pet Food recall. I lost My Spirit to those bastards
I would check the web if they re eating canned or dry food to see
if there is a recall
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SEE??
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
With me living in a high heat and humidity state I would
Look for mold
Are you sure they have not been poisoned it could have
been a cleaning agent you used flea treatment
Check your water sources also<-----------
Call another vet ASAP tell them the symptoms
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav
From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Ping >>Phil<< All the cats in the house are sick
"cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vc4zm.225441$sC1.1...@newsfe17.iad...
> "John Ross Mc Master" <pussy...@cathouse.meow> wrote
>>>> Anyone have an idea?
> If they are indoor cats why do they need Revolution?
Cyber my cats are inside they get flea treatments also.
Fleas travel specially here in Florida they find there way
inside
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On Sun, 17 May 2009
"Matthew" <...@proudtoserve.com
AAADD
KNOW THE SYMPTOMS.....PLEASE READ!
Thank goodness there's a name for this disorder.
Somehow I feel better even though I have it!!
Recently, I was diagnosed with A.A.A.D.D. -
Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder..
This is how it manifests:
I decide to water my garden.
As I turn on the hose in the driveway,
I look over at my car and decide it needs washing.
As I start toward the garage,
I notice mail on the porch table that
I brought up from the mail box earlier.
I decide to go through the mail before I wash the car.
I lay my car keys on the table,
put the junk mail in the garbage can under the table,
and notice that the can is full.
So, I decide to put the bills back
on the table and take out the garbage first.
But then I think,
since I'm going to be near the mailbox
when I take out the garbage anyway,
I may as well pay the bills first.
I take my check book off the table,
and see that there is only one check left.
My extra checks are in my desk in the study,
so I go inside the house to my desk where
I find the can of Pepsi I'd been drinking.
I'm going to look for my checks,
but first I need to push the Pepsi aside
so that I don't accidentally knock it over.
The Pepsi is getting warm,
and I decide to put it in the refrigerator to keep it cold.
As I head toward the kitchen with the Pepsi,
a vase of flowers on the counter
catches my eye--they need water.
I put the Pepsi on the counter and
discover my reading glasses that
I've been searching for all morning.
I decide I better put them back on my desk,
but first I'm going to water the flowers.
I set the glasses back down on the counter,
fill a container with water and suddenly spot the TV remote.
Someone left it on the kitchen table.
I realize that tonight when we go to watch TV,
I'll be looking for the remote,
but I won't remember that it's on the kitchen table,
so I decide to put it back in the den where it belongs,
but first I'll water the flowers...
I pour some water in the flowers,
but quite a bit of it spills on the floor.
So, I set the remote back on the table,
get some towels and wipe up the spill.
Then, I head down the hall trying to
remember what I was planning to do.
At the end of the day:
the car isn't washed
the bills aren't paid
there is a warm can of Pepsi sitting on the counter
the flowers don't have enough water,
there is still only 1 check in my check book,
I can't find the remote,
I can't find my glasses,
and I don't remember what I did with the car keys.
Then, when I try to figure out why nothing got done today,
I'm really baffled because I know I was busy all damn day,
and I'm really tired.
I realize this is a serious problem,
and I'll try to get some help for it,
but first I'll check my e-mail....
Do me a favor.
Forward this message to everyone you know,
because I don't remember who the heck I've sent it to.
Don't laugh -- if this isn't you yet, your day is coming!!
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
From: "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009
Subject: Re: Severe pain purrs please
Wish I had a way to help Mark It is approaching almost a year since I
listened to my doctor and got the flue shot which turned into a severe case
that I ended up in the hospital with ripped abdominal muscles and back
muscles from sneezing and coughing so hard. I will never do that again
they gave me muscle relaxers and some type of pain killer in the hospital.
GO TO YOUR doctor Mark you might be a man but don't be a stupid
man and tough it out. Sleep is more important
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NHOWE GO BACK TO SLEEP, you pathetic MENTAL PATIENT <{}'; ~ ) >
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"hathtobe" <hath...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 28, 1:41 pm, "Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <
{}'; ~ \) >"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
wrote:
> HOWEDY hathtobe,
>
> "hathtobe" <hatht...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ff7ccee1-00d1-4f45...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 19, 8:06 pm, Char <chardonn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Sharon Too wrote:
> > >> "Char" <chardonn...@earthlink.net>
>
> > >>> <snipped for responding to twit>
>
> sharon is a lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE an FRAUD.
It's PROVEN by her own written words, hathtobe <{}:~ ) >
> > "Matthew" <iamacatslave...@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
> >news:4adb300c$0$5085$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > >>> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
>
> Yeah... "seem" matthew is a kat lover an snipped the cross post
> to his beloved kats forum so's they may CONtinue HURTIN
> INTIMIDATIN MUTILATIN an MURDERIN innocent defenseless
> dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET it JUST LIKE HOWE they
> PREFER <{}: ~ ( >
It's PROVEN by his own WRITTEN WORDS, hathtobe <{}:~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY matthew, you pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES
MENTAL CASE,
Your kats groups are DOOMED, just like HOWE The
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard DESTROYED the dog
lover's groups <{}:~ ) >
"Matthew" <iamacat...@proudtoserve.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Char" <chard...@earthlink.net>
>
> <snipped for responding to twit>
>
> Can't believe morons still respond to him and not kill filed him
"Seem" matthew is a other MENTAL CASE
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>>>> Anyone have an idea?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
KUKOO~! KUKOO~! DING~! DING~!
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> > >> Char the Conspiracy Theorist is president of Jerry's fan club.
Chardonnay9 is the ONLY reasonable, intelligent poster we
got here abHOWETS these days, wouldn't you agree, hathtobe?
> sharon the lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASE is president
> of the veterinary OBFUSCATIONIST organization <{}: ~ ( >
From: Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laboratory
@hotmail.com
Date: 25 May 2006
Subject: Re: K9 Advantix 11-22 pounds
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too, veterinary malpractice
office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner, liar,
dog abuser, coward, animal murderin FRAUD mental case,
Sharon wrote:
> mauijnp wrote:
> > I tried this with Maui, my 14 pound poodle and he
> > had a bad reaction to it so I have 3 of the 4 vials left.
BWEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> > I can't return them to the vet
Didn't she BUY the POISON from her veterinary malpracticioner?
> > so I was hoping someone might want to buy them from me
It made her dog SICK. Doesn't THAT tell you sumpthin?
> > If anyone uses this brand and size and is interested
> > in getting a good deal on some,
It POISONS dogs.
> > please email me or post here.
You'd have to be INSANE to do THAT to your own dog.
> > They are brand new, not expired and purchased within
> > the month. They are still in the original but opened box.
> > Thanks.
> First things first.
You think she should hire a lawyer?
> Call Bayer.
Did you MISSPELL LAWYER?
> The phone number should be on the package.
Look up state board of veterinary medical EXXXAMINERS and
ASK THEM HOWE COME their licensed vet POISONED her dog.
> If you bought the product through the vet, Bayer may reimburse you. The
> reaction may be from the product being dosed in one spot versus several.
THAT'S INSANE. And it's a LIE.
> But in any event, call the manufacturer.
Wouldn't your office GUARANTEE the products THEY SELL???
> -Sharon
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Subject: Warning Revolution Heartworm Med
From: LUVAPOOCH
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2000 3:00 am
Email: luvapo...@aol.com (LUVAPOOCH)
Kelly Cruzan On 3/15/00 wrote:
I asked my Vet for a Heartworm preventive for my 2 year
old Australian Shepherd, Sage. They recommended Revolution.
It was applied on 3/15/00. On 3/20/00 Sage developed a cough,
but she was otherwise fine.
She had had a bath at the Vet on 3/15/00 also, so I decided
to watch her for further symptoms. On 3/23/00 she was fine
until late afternoon when she became quiet and didn't want
to play.
By 7pm that night, she had trouble opening her left eye and
whimpered when she jumped down from the couch or bed. In
the past, Sage always had a tendency to bruise easily.
She had sensitive skin and worry an area until it bruised.
She had no trouble with her blood clotting and had been
previously spayed.
She now had bruising on her body. When I took her to the
Vet, he asked if she had been in rat poison. I informed
him that she was an inside dog and only went out to play
with the kids and to use the bathroom. My neighbors have
pets and do not put out poisons. They also asked if she
had had a blow to the head because there was blood in the
whites of her eyes that was not there yesterday.
I stated that she was not hit in the head. I asked if it
could be the Revolution and was informed that it could not
be. I told my vet that was the only thing that Sage had
been exposed to.
He did a CBC and her platelets were 87 and WBC count was
27,000. her Hct was 37. He treated her for infection and
rat poisoning and sent us home.
Within 3 hours she was falling over. I rushed her back
to the Vet and he kept her until 5pm that afternoon. I
brought her home after they said she was doing better.
At 6pm she was again falling over and I called my Vet back
and was informed to bring her back the next day. By 11pm,
she was bleeding from her nose and had vomited with streaks
of bright red blood. My husband and I drove her to an ER
clinic in Savannah, GA and was told that it was either a tick
born disease or rat poisoning or a blow to the head.
I again asked if could be the Revolution and was informed no.
They kept her and treated her as my vet. When I called at
6am, I was informed that she was having seizures but she was
otherwise stable. I was worried about a subdural hematoma
and talked with my Vet.
He suggested I take Sage to Charleston, SC to see a Specialist.
She arrived there at 4:30pm. When I gave her history, I again
asked if it could be the Revolution and was informed no. Later
that night Sage continued to have seizures and she bled into the
orbits of her eyes, but they said their was still hope.
At 6:45am they called and said Sage had arrested and
was on a ventilator. We asked that they let her go.
This has been devastating to my family.
We loved that dog. She was a family member. At 10am, the
clinic called and asked for an autopsy. They informed me
that another dog had died last month there, with symptoms
the same as Sage. The dog was an inside dog and the only
thing different was that the owner had started Revolution.
The dog died of low platelets and intracrannial
hemorrhage just like Sage.
The vet in Charleston called the Revolution people and
they are paying for Sages autopsy. They also paid for
the other dogs autopsy. That autopsy showed low platelets
and intracrannial hemorrhage from a toxin. (? Revolution
was the only toxin the owners had given).
I will not know the results of the autopsy for a month,
but I believe it was the Revolution. If 2 dogs have died
in the Savannah-Charleston area in the last month, how
many nation wide.
Please spread the word for owners to be careful about
using this drug on their dogs. No dog should suffer
like my Sage suffered.
Thanks for Listening,
Terri Eddy
Rincon, GA
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Subject: Advantix and Mood Change
From: Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory
HOWEDY brian.lange,
brian.la...@gmail.com wrote:
> We have a 7 month old golden retreiver pup and when we give him his
> monthly Advantix for flea and tick, for a good 24 hours, his mood
> completely changes ... wants to be by himself, hides under tables, chairs,
> etc.
WELCOME to the world of veterinary approved poisons.
> Basically, he becomes a completely different "person."
Naaah? The EXXXPERTS tell us that's GOOD for dogs.
> Has anyone else had similar experiences?
Yeah. Most of the DOG LOVERS here got DEATHLY ILL and
DEAD DOGS on accHOWENT of their mishandling and inapupriate
veterinary malpractices.
Have you had your dog surgically sexually mutilated yet?
Better hurry. Oh, bye the bye, ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS
COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM
INCURABLE MENTAL CASES post here abHOWETS.
> Thanks.
You're welcome!
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> >> How many dogs did you kill today Sharon? How many did you
> >> mutilate? How many were dosed with horrible pesticides? How
> >> many legit vaccine negative reactions did you ignore?
HOWE many dogs would sharon PREFER to SUFFER
with her ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications instead of
EFFECTIVE NON PHYSICAL BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION?:
You're a lyin animal murderin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST.
> And don't forget to block everyone who insists on
> replying to his posts ad nauseum
But that ain't all, sharon aka sharon too, veterinary
malpractice office manager, mrs. veterinary malpracticioner,
animal abuser, lyin fraud and animal murderin mental case:
THIS WILL IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE AND DISCREDIT
YOU
AS A LIAR A COWARD A ANIMAL MURDERIN
MENTAL CASE AND FRAUD:
From: lolajo...@webtv.net (lolajo...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: My greyhound becoming bully of dogpark,help?
Date: 2004-01-07
> (MST+2) From: requestaddyfi...@nospam.com (Sharon too)
>
>> "If that don't work, check out some training books or look up
>> the "Puppy Wizard" for suggestions on controlling this."
> Uh...
> since this was a response to my response I feel the need to
> clarify my position. In no way would I recommend anyone pay
> attention to Puppy Wizard. -Sharon
What is wrong with "The Puppy Wizard"?
I know his posts are a little wacky but his sound distraction
technique has worked very well for me. After using traditional
training with mixed results, I was able to stop my dog from
jumping up, eating poop, begging from the table and
excessive barking using his methods.
Lolajoker.
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ALL temperament and behavior problems and 90% of ALL
DIS-EASE are PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE responses to situations and
circumstances of their environment which we create for them,
therefore they CAN BE CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply
by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE
of HOWE these pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin
active acute chronic life long punk thug coward mental cases
recommend.
LIKE THIS:
HOWEDY sharon aka sharon too,
Sharon wrote:
> > I have a 13 year old Maltese. I just had him shaved and realized that
> > his body temperature seems hotter than my other dog. Is this something
> > to be concerned about? What could be the cause. There is nothing
> > different about his behavior?
> A normal dog's temp is higher than ours. If he doesn't seem ill, I
> wouldn't worry. If it bothers you enough, take him to the vet for an exam.
You mean instead of just taking his temp himself?
Normal for dogs is 101.5 - 102.5, if I'm not mistaken,
being a non professional veterainary malpracticioner.
> > Plus he is not neutered.
Surgical sexual mutilation causes health and temperament problems.
> > I heard that I should go ahead and get him neutered
> > avoid possible testicular cancer.
That's a WIZE idea. Might as well remove his eyes
so he don't get catarcts in his old age <{}; ~ ) >
> > Is this true?
It's INSANE! The dog stands a GREATER RISK of
DYING from this insane mutilation than cancer.
Cancers are CAUSED by STRESS and toxic environment.
> Yes.
The veterinary malpractice business must be
suffering terribly in these bear market times,
eh sharon too, veterinary office manager, Mrs.
veterinary MALPRACTICIONER??
You're nothing but a FRAUD a LIAR and animal abuser.
HOWEDY Lucy,
lucyaa...@claque.net wrote:
> Sharon too wrote:
> > > Jerry, is there any particular section that addresses this?
We was talkin abHOWET breakin obsessive compulsive behaviors.
> > > I'm laughing picturing a friend to come over and throw a can
> > > near me on the second and fourth command 'That's a good
> > > girl, Robin, CONCENTRATE!' LOL.
While that WOULD work, the operator wouldn't know WHEN
the brain is begining to drift into OCD mode. The best
practice would be to do some anchoring and triggering
visulization techniqes.
> > This is obviously a request for a two person conversation.
We was also talkin abHOWET CURING separation
anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSTANTLY, as Robin
and Lucy BOTH REPORTED they DONE when applying
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy / Bed Time
Calming / Submissive Urination / Fear Of Thunder / Car
Sickness Technique <{); ~ ) >
> Her post is on topic: discussing dog behavior in a dog behavior forum.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?
Perhaps sharon too is CONCERNED that The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is recommending NON PHYSICAL scientific and
psychological conditioning techniques INSTEAD of sendin
HOWER readers to their vetrinarian to BUY anti psychotic
medications and run THOWESANDS of dollars in inapupriate
unnecessary tests...
Fully 90% of the veterinary heelth care industry is SELF
PERPETUATING NEEDLESS TESTING and BOGUS
TREATMENTS CAUSED BY the irresponsible handing
and training ADVICE given by their veterinary pet
malpracticioner professionals.
> Obviously anyone can read and respond to it -
You AIN'T gonna see these EXXXPERTS reply to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of HE QUOTES their lies and
abuses and IDENTIFIES EXXXPOSES and DISCREDITS them
right off the bat.
> more like a cocktail party than a two person private conversation.
Belly up to the bar, folks, it's all on the HOWES today.
> > Since 99.999% of the people who post here have had
> > or have been witness to negative posts, hurtful posts
Yeah. Thems the QUOTES The Amazing Puppy relies on to
DISCREDIT these lying dog abusing punk thug coward
mental cases.
> But not one single negative or hurtful remark in the stuff Robin has
> replied to. Not to mention the fact that the persons who choose to
> POST here don't OWN the group and certainly have no say in what
> those of us who choose to READ what's posted are entitled to read.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ these MENTAL CASES
can post here all they LIKE, despite that they'll be IDENTIFIED
EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED with EVERY POST they make...
but THAT'S JUST HOWE IT IS when there's a BULLY in the
playgrHOWEND.
>> and plain unprofessional posts by this self professed professional,
Yeah...
> You mean, unlike the other self professed professionals who are posting
> here and whom we're expected to believe "because they say so"?
sharon too SEZ you shouldn't BELIEVE The Amazing Puppy Wizard.
> Those who cannot cope with the problems their own dogs have?
sharon too MAKES MONEY off of misadvising folks to
surgically sexually mutilate bribe choke crate shock
and spray aversives in their dog's faces...
> > it would be to your advantage to exchange private e-mails with
> > him. Your private discussion with him here will benefit no one.
> It probably won't benefit those whose gut reaction is stronger than their
> reason, but it's a bit far fetched to assume that you're speaking for
> EVERYBODY.
Well, not EVERY WON PROFITS from HURTING INTIMIDATING
and MURDERING dogs like HOWER veterinary pet professionals.
> Besides, you do have the option of not listening
> to a discussion that doesn't interest you -
sharon too's FUTURE is vested in NOT BELIEVING The
Amazing Puppy Wizard. IMAGINE if APUPRIATE handling
and training as NOT taught by HOWER pet professionals
CURED 90% of the veterinary practicioner's BUSINESS?
THEY'D END UP IN THE SOUP LINE.
> just as those of us who are interested
Interested in CURING ALL temperament and behaivor
problems as well as 90% of their vetrinary medical
EXXXPENSES, to boot.
THAT'S what got sharon too all bent HOWETA shape, Lucy.
> have the right to follow their dialogue,
> if we choose to do so.
Stick arHOWEND, Lucy. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is
fixing to address the LITTLE PROBLEM we got for HOWER
SAR dogs NOT FINDING the victims in the most fameHOWES
searches in history...
> Lucy
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From: Robin
Date: Mon, Jun 13 2005 6:14 pm
Email: Robin <robin4...@yahoo.com>
In article <11arv91h2lk8...@corp.supernews.com>,
"Sharon too" <requestmyaddyfi...@nospam.com> wrote:
> This is obviously a request for a two person conversation.
<snipped>
> Your private discussion with him here will benefit no one.
Who are you to judge the group benefit of the content of my
posts, or to dictate if I may post it, to Jerry or anyone else?
Robin.
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AND THEN sharon DONE IT AGAIN:
From: Sharon too
Date: Mon, Jun 13 2005 6:23 pm
Email: "Sharon too" <requestmyaddyfi...@nospam.com>
>> This is obviously a request for a two person conversation.
<snipped>
>> Your private discussion with him here will benefit no one.
> Who are you to judge the group benefit of the content of my
> posts, or to dictate if I may post it, to Jerry or anyone else?
Read the group. Google archives. By all means, if you are
seeking a professional opinion from this person you had
better check resources and references. Since he has tried
hundreds of times, if not more, over the years to insert
himself and his claims here at rec.pets.dogs.health, that
should be reference enough. Still want to follow his
convoluted advice?
Your risk.
As for judging the group, I was merely trying to give
you advice which was to take your questions to private
e-mail snce your request would get you nothing but
headaches from people who are constantly killfiling
Jerry, his new IDs and sockpuppets.
-Sharon
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Robin REPORTED she CURED her 12 year old
dog's FEAR OF THUNDER and SEPARATION
anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSANTLY.
DOGS DIE FROM THAT, sharon aka sharon too,
veterinary malpractice office manager, mrs.
veterinary malpracticioner, liar, animal
murderin coward, active acute chronic long
term incurable mental case <{} ; ~ ) >
LIKE THIS DOG NEARLY DONE, sharon too:
"Sharon" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com>
wrote in message news:129umcv...@corp.supernews.com...
> At my wit's end, I found Jerry Howe's information on the Internet,
> contacted him and read his manual. At this point she is not cured, but by
> making a fuss over an inanimate object when I leave, I can see progress in
> the area of separation anxiety. I am using his manual to work on other
> aspects of her behavior. I just want to say thanks so much to Jerry for
> his manual, .....
Let me be the first:
<PLONK>
Fall in line, folks.
sharon
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O.K., permit The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely
Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard start by IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and
DISCREDITING you and the rest of these pathetic miserable
stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES and PROFESSIONAL
dog trainin an veterinary MALPRACTICIONER FRAUDS an SCAM
ARTISTS.
O.K., here's the LINEUP:
From The Annals Of
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_
Research_Laboratory
AND
COLLEGE OF HARD KNOCKXXX
<{}'; ~ ) >
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <0bid32hese5r0g4sst35iutqqb2db3j...@4ax.com>, sighthounds &
> siberians <x...@ncweb.com> wrote:
> > Not to pick nits, but that stuff about talking to the toy is - - for
> > lack of a better word - - original, isn't it?
Yeah. The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard came up with
the idea while trainin a MENTAL PATIENT who's dog was havin
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS problems.
NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER CONditioning aka The
Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time Calming /
Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive Urination /
Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic Urinary Tract /
Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking /
Self Mutilation / Spraying / Defecating Syndrome Technique
works JUST LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK for LOTS of CONditions
<{); ~ ) >
> > I can't recall reading/hearing it anywhere else.
Of curse you can. You've READ IT in DOZENS of CASE
HISTORY REPORTS from The Freakin Simply Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Student from ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD
which you call STUPIDLAND whom you call SELFISH
INCONSIDERATE DIMWITS and LIARS.
LIKE THIS:
Date: 2001-11-14
"Yves Dussault" <ydussa...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3b1110ff...@news1.on.sympatico.ca...
> Hi! I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method... In there
> there is that trick with a toy about "Separation anxiety surrogate
> toy technique."
>
> Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with my GSP
> (German shorthair.....pointer) Comments? Yves Dussault
Yves,
I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time.
I just used it last evening while my husband and I went out
to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie,
but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the
meantime).
Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other
distraction/praise techniques described therein.
If you are interested in the manual, you will
probably want to begin the exercises as well.
Regards,
Lisa
-------------
"nesskay" <ness...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1156529540.1...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
It has been a couple of months since we have initiated
Jerry Howe's recommendations for resolving the separation
anxiety in our 8 y.o. chocolate lab.
We have seen remarkable results.
She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with
all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke
with Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her
without her barking in a high pitch incessantly.
I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair railing,
putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so that she
could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about 10-15 minutes
of planning and moving things before we could leave.
Even with that, she would find something to destroy.
We NOW use the surrogate toy method and can go out,
shop, go to dinner or whatever, without any problems.
She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic.
I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now.
Another problem that we had with her was although she would
not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several
places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this
on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that
she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done
that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!!
Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation
anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want
to speculate what could have happened with Amelia.
We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry.
We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog.
Your methods work. The others that we tried did not.
It is that simple!
Thank you, Thank you Thank you!
Nancy and Amelia
----------
Here's a few other MENTAL CASES who'll lie an
blow smoke up HOWER arses if you let them:
Thurs,Jun 16 2005 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Puppy Wizard - Report, Day Two
HOWEDY malinda,
Melinda Shore wrote:
> In article <robin4joy-49BEBF.23045015062.�....@news.west.cox.net>, Robin
> <robin4...@yahoo.com> wrote: [nothing of value]
"Success!" is what Robin wrote, malinda.
Robin wrote that she CURED her 12 year old dogs
separation anXXXIHOWESNESS NEARLY INSTANTLY
using her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{);~ ) >
> jeebus but you're a selfish, inconsiderate dimwit.
That so? Didn't you want to know HOWE she done it, malinda?
> Plonk.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAA!!!
--------------------
"Sharon Too" <askformya...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_qKdnT1jMo7ft0nU...@neonova.net...
<SNIP IDIOCY, LIES and ABUSE>
> As usual, you say what you want to make you seem
> bigger and brighter than anyone else out there.
NO PROBLEMO~!
HERE'S PROOF:
HOWEDY sharon too, veterinary office manager,
mrs veterinary MALPRACTICIONER,
Sharon too wrote:
> > Sharon, if you feel you were trying to be helpful in the post you sent
> > me, you are delusional. You are not nice (revealed by your own post),
> > certainly not helpful, and when the time comes where I want your advice,
> > you'll be the first to know.
> The Puppy Wizard feeds on paranoia.
INDEED, sharon too. Your entire career lifestyle and
reputation DEPENDS on folks NOT BELIEVING The
Amazing Puppy Wizard when he SEZ 90% of your
husband's veterinary MALPRACTICE INCOME is
iatrogenic in NATURE, CAUSED BY the ADVICE and
INFORMATION you give your veterinary PRACTICE
CUSTOMERS, who's dogs you needlessly selfishly
inapupriately surgically sexually MUTILATE and advise
them to lock their dogs in boxes and choke shock bribe
intimidate hurt and most importantly, TREAT their dog's
CHRONIC STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES
at your husband's veterinary MALPRACTICE <{); ~ ) >
> When he starts calling you a dog abuser
Then HE'D CITE the ABUSE by QUOTING HER OWN WORDS
as HE has DONE to you, sharon too, dog abusing mental case.
> for asking a simple question,
Like HOWE to HURT their dogs as you teach them,
sharon too. HOWE MUCH would it COST Robin to
see your veterinary husband for separation
anXXXIHOWESNESS, sharon too? Would he refer
her to his PAL the veterinary behaviorist,
or would you just advise her to lock her dog
in a box and spray aversives in her face and
SELL her a bunch of ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medication,
sharon too?
Seems you're not ONLY a DOG ABUSER, but you're a
THIEF and a LIAR. Your veterinary practice CANNOT
CURE separation anXXXIHOWESNESS <{); ~ ) >
> maybe you'll understand where we're ALL coming from.
INDEED. You're comin from a PSYCHOTIC BREAK from reality,
sharon too. Your entire life is AT STAKE on accHOWENT of
The Amazing Puppy Wizard IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and
DISCREDITING you and your university trained HUSTLERS.
> But for know, you've earned yourself that
> coveted spot in my killfile with PW.
You mean, on accHOWENT of Robin REPORTED CURING her
12 year old dog's separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, sharon
too, veterinary office manager, mrs veterinarian?
> Have at it.
Would it cost maybe, a hundred dollars a month for
the ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications and maybe a hundred
or three hundred for useless TESTS and maybe another
couple hundred for your husband's PAL the veterinary
behaviorist to TELL HIM to SELL Robin the ANTI-
PSYCHOTIC medicatons you SELL, sharon too, veterinary
office manager, mrs veterinary MALPRACTICIONER?
From The Annals Of
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences
Research Laboratory
Subject: To Jerry
1 From: MarilynRammell
Date: Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am
Email: "MarilynRammell" <marilynramm...@hotmail.com>
Hello Jerry,
A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you.
They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get
rid of.
In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while
they 'thought it through'. They rang me the day before
they were due to collect her.
She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she
destroyed something else. The walls, the cabinets, the
carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything.
They collected her and brought her to me. I gave them some
routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice
(I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all,
and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the
'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'.
Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing. Yesterday
they turned up at the new Monday evening class. They were
absolutely delighted.
They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion)
she 'stopped all the destruction'. They were in tear of happiness
while telling me.
Thank you Jerry.
Respectfully,
Marilyn
----------------
AND LIKE THIS:
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The
Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years
Experience.
From: Marilyn Rammell (marilynramm...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Separation anxiety (?) help needed!
Date: 1999/10/13
Hi Steve,
Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this -
I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked
'every' time.
It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works.
Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the
owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had
actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so
that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog).
They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were
not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not.
The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked.
Best of luck,
Marilyn Rammell
--------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
AIMEE
-----------------------
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get
NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame
that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused
these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
*****************************
SEE?
I THINK YOU GET THE POINT.
DON'T YOU <{}';~ ) >
> >> Are you all in the same "crazy house"?
>
>> You mean 'crazy HOWES', don't you,
>> hathtobe, just HOWETA RESPECT <{}:~ ) >
>
>> "Seem" it's *you* who can't discern the LYIN ANIMAL
>> MURDERIN MENTAL PATIENTS from the knowledgable,
>> CARING animal lovers we got here abHOWETS <{}: ~ ( >
>
>> Granted, there's only a FEW of us, but I do believe it's
>> *you* who has CONfHOWENDED us; perhaps THAT'S
>> on accHOWENTA you're a ignorameHOWES or a fraud?
> You trying to hide behind a bunch of jargon Jarry?
You mean WORDS, hathtobe?
> Hope i wont read your all the crudely snipped posts
> which paint everyone as bad guy except you?
Of curse not~!
You only gotta read a few; the rest are all, LIKEWIZE <{}:~ ) >
> You show classic a case of passive aggression Jarry.
INDEED? That's curiHOWES:
'passive-aggressive' (pas?iv-?-gres?iv)
(adjective)
Of, relating to, or having a personality disorder characterized
by habitual passive resistance to demands for adequate
performance in occupational or social situations, as by
procrastination, stubbornness, sullenness, and inefficiency.
--------------------
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard
AIN'T EVEN CLOSE to bein "passive"; HE'S THE MOST
DANGERHOWES CRITTER when it comes to professional
dog trainin / veterinary MALPRACTICES <{}:~ ( >
> You are not a fraud are you?
You'll find my entire POSTED CASE HISTORY and those
of my 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method
Manual STUDENT'S POSTED CASE HISTORIES RIGHT
HERE in The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy,
Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's
Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research
Laboratory Archives <{}';~ ) >
> Did you not throw enough cans at your dogs today?
You're a MORON a LIAR an a OBFUSCATIONIST:
Estel J. Hines" <ejhi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w86dna9lBfN...@comcast.com...
Until i read the Jerry method of Bark
reduction, it went something like this
with our 11 month old puppy "Yoshi"
Yoshi: Bark, bark,
us: HUSH Youshi
Yoshi Bark, bark......................
us: Hush Youshi
Yoshi BARK, BARK, BARK, ..........
it stopped when Yoshi got tired barking
We decided to try the Jerry method:
Yoshi: BARK, BARK
US: GOOD Yoshi, Good Boy, who is it?
Yoshi Bark, Bark
US: It's ok, good boy Yoshi, We know them.
Yosh without fail, now stops after we say that.
I must say, it is so much more fun, when we
can praise him, to deal with things like this.
Thanks Jerry
ps: We are just starting to go thru the Jerry
Papers, and learn how to live with our son
"Yoshi", whom we love very much. --
Best Regards,
Estel J. Hines
==============
AND LIKE THIS:
"Brandy Kurtz" <KraftyKur...@wmconnect.com>
wrote in message
news:2f66e35d.04073...@posting.google.com...
Hello everyone! We have a 2 1/2 year old male
Well I just printed out the Amazing Puppy
Wizard info, so I haven't actually started
to train yet.
Today a salesman knocked on the door, and Pokey
was going balisstic. I calmly go to the window
to see who it is, and off-handly say Good Boy,
It's a stranger, Good Boy.
Pokey shut right up, gave me a quizical look,
and came and sat beside my feet!
OMG, I could not believe it!
I was totally floored, as this has been his
behavior since a pup. Just wanted to update,
and Pokey and I are hitting the sack...;)
Brandy
----------------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Dave Cohen <coh...@total.net writes:
Re: Barking Deterrants Needed...
Hi.
Please understand that I do not know Jerry and
have spoken with him briefly once by email.
I have no stake or interest in the success of
his business. I simply want to thank him publicly
for one of his tips, with regards to separation
anxiety.
I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a
stuffed animal and then say good bye to my
own dog, but I am usually a very open minded
person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold-
the damn trick worked!
I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques,
and personally I think everyone who constantly
criticizes him is not understanding his logic.
Thank you Jerry!
----------------
AND LIKE THIS:
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003
Hello.
I never posted here (or anywhere) before.
I never trained or owned a dog before this
year.
I downloaded the Wit's End, read it, corresponded
with Mr. Howe and trained my dog to come and to
stop barking in a weekend.
Our dog, Jake, had been treated with kindness the
whole time we had him, about 10 months, but his
earlier life is unknown.
I worked on the hot-cold exercise for about 30
minutes when he suddenly "got it". After that
he came to me every time with no hesitation.
I used the cans filled with pennies to teach him
not to bark. If he now starts to bark, I go to the
door or window, say "Good Boy, its' alright" and
he usually calms down right away.
A couple of times I had to get the cans
out again to reinforce the behavior.
We feel a strong bond with this animal
and he is very eager to accept our love.
So with all the vitriolic spewing going on,
I have to believe Mr. Howe is right.
His method worked for us.
I don't know if it would have been quite
as effective if we had tried another method first.
Florence
------------------
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpaulbou...@clear.net.nz) Subject:
Re: Dog vs cat food (stealing cat food)
Date: 2001-03-03
It's possible to teach a dog not to eat out
of a cat bowl without too much difficulty.
My dogs don't touch the food in the cat bowls
although Roz licks up any bits that have been
dropped around the bowls -)
I used a can with stones in it to create a
distraction anytime the dogs tried to eat
the cats food, followed with immediate praise.
It worked a treat.
The cats bowls are down all the time, usually
there is food left over but the dogs don't eat
it, even if we go out and leave the dogs with
access inside through a dog door.
Paul
------------------
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10
In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi Lynn, I used to have a barking problem with my German Shepherd Dog a
> couple of years ago. I tried several things recommended to me by
different
> trainers, and nothing was working. When I read that section of Jerry's
> Manual, I thought the same way you did. "What???? PRAISE her for
barking?"
> It sounded counterproductive, but I had tried everything else I'd heard
so
> I thought I'd try it too. Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are such a good
protector!"
> And instead of continuing the barking, she came to me for a belly rub!
She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job), but after one bark,
> she knows she's done her job to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
Jenn,
Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.
---------------
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21
In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca>
"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about me. I hope I can change
your
> mind in the future, as I love reading your posts, and value (and have
> used) some of your advice.
BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting to get a plain answer about
> something instead of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
done.
> Jenn Standring
I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak
but that is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
-----------
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>
wrote in message news:9ihtee$7ib$1...@uwm.edu...
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising a dog for barking,
> but he appears to recognize that this may not work and so
> distraction is recommended as a back up procedure: There
> really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE, "professor SCRUFF SHAKE".
LIKE THIS:
"melisande" <melisand...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:rLo08.751$0H.5...@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net...
> I haven't quite finished reading the free chapter on your website,
It's moore than a chapter, it's a comprehensive,
total, complete, gestalt method to train all animals
to any level you desire.
> but it already worked miracles with our three dogs.
Excellent.
> The barking at the door has diminished so much that,
> well, frankly, we're stunned.
My methods work faster than any others, anywhere at
any price, including the thirty five level of medical
grade static like stimulation devices and pronged
spiked pinch choke collars our "experts" here love so
much.
> We were sort of on the same page with you to begin with
> (no crates, no choke chains).
Good. Crates aren't inherently bad, only
the way they're misused.
> A lot of what you say reminds of my dad's techniques (he's
> an 84 year old dog lover,one of those about whom people say,
> "dogs really like him." He's never had a badly behaved dog.
Good. I've got a lot in common with folks
who are gentle and treat animals kindly.
> We'd never heard of the noise emphasis,
You mean the sound distraction and praise techniques.
> but the overall plan makes great sense.
Yes, one of my students Paul B wrote an excellent post
recently I'll include it at the bottom. It'll explain
HOWE the distraction and praise process works from his
POV as an experience handler using my methods.
> I did have a question. The hardest part for us to
> implement is the verbal praise only.
Why? That should be spontaneous and in association
with every glance towards you and every thought.
> It's so hard not to pet and stroke the dog (especially
> our seven month old).
Oh. Patting is O.K., only not in conjunction with a
thought or command, as it will interrupt the thought
process and may lock the dog's thoughts on an
inappropriate idea.
> Can you give me the rationale behind that?
It's called positive thigmotaxis, the opposition reflex.
Like if we're walking our dog and want to prevent him
from interacting with another dog, and we pull back
on the collar, that often triggers the dog to go out of
control.
As long as there's contact on the collar, the dog will
continue his original thoughts about interacting with
the passerby. Then because the dog is out of control,
the handler needs to further force restraint, making
communication with the dog's MIND, impossible.
> It will help me modify my own behavior.
Any time your dog is close enough to be patted is
fine to pat him, as long as we're not working with
a command or thought we want him to process.
> Anyway, your approach is amazing.
Yes, it's caused quite a stir here. If my methods are as
effective and fast and safe as I claim and my students
confirm, that pretty much means that all of my critics
are DEAD WRONG, and all's that's left for me to
do is shovel some dirt over them over and let 'em push
up daisies.
> Melisande
-------------------
SEE?
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
----------------
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-10
In article <HRI27.3908$187.184...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca> "Jenn"
<d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi Lynn, I used to have a barking problem with my German Shepherd Dog a
> couple of years ago. I tried several things recommended to me by
different
> trainers, and nothing was working. When I read that section of Jerry's
> Manual, I thought the same way you did. "What???? PRAISE her for
barking?"
> It sounded counterproductive, but I had tried everything else I'd heard
so
> I thought I'd try it too. Next time she went nuts at a person walking by
> outside, I told her, "Good job! Good girl! You are such a good
protector!"
> And instead of continuing the barking, she came to me for a belly rub!
She
> will still bark (she's a guard dog, that's her job), but after one bark,
> she knows she's done her job to warn me by my praise, and she stops.
Jenn,
Could you be so kind as to post here the
section from Jerry's manual where he
writes that you should JUST praise the
dog when it barks?????????
As I recall, I thought he first advocates
distracting the dog from barking, with
keys or the soft sound of pennies in a
can, before praising.
Perhaps you can tutor me regarding
Jerry's system.
Thanks in advance!
--Marshall Dermer
PS: I don't read Jerry's posts but I look
forward to your post.
--------------
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Clicker training "stay"
Date: 2001-06-21
In article <iqtY6.5456$rA2.1119...@news-rep.ab.videon.ca>
"Jenn" <d...@try.it> writes:
> Hi, DogStar716, sorry you feel this way about me. I hope I can change
your
> mind in the future, as I love reading your posts, and value (and have
> used) some of your advice.
BWWWWWEEEJAJAJAJAJAJAAAAA!!!
> As for my post to Jer, I am just attempting to get a plain answer about
> something instead of a trash- fest. I just want to know if it can be
done.
> Jenn Standring
I'm not Jerry but sure you could use a clicker to
distract a dog but that is not the purpose of a clicker.
You can also use a teaspoon to cut steak
but that is not the purpose of teaspoon!
--Marshall
------------------------------
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12
Hello Marshall,
The way I view it from my observation of how
my dogs react is that the distraction interrupts
the dogs thought, not for good or bad, just
interrupts, the dog is therefore distracted for
a second and then will either continue the
behaviour or do something else.
The praise reassures the dog that the sound
distraction is not a threat or punishment,
however if everytime the dog resumes a
particular behaviour it's distracted immediately
(and praised immediately for reassurance) then
it quickly decides this behaviour is not fulfilling
and it ceases.
A dog will offer another behaviour in it's place
and if that is acceptable to us then we let it be
otherwise the distraction continues until a suitable
alternate behaviour is offered.
One example, Sam used to jump up on me
when I arrived home, I would shake can to
distract him right at the moment he was
about to jump up, after about 4 repetitions
he tried sitting and offering me his paw, of
course this was fine so I let it be.
While the concept of shake cans is not new,
I haven't read any other advice that says to
praise immediately regardless of what the
dog does next (the common advice is to
praise once the dog is doing a desired
behaviour or at least stopped the unwanted
behaviour), this is unique to Jerry (and Marilyn)
and from my own experiences is an important
part of the process.
> Thanks Paul! He does recommend praising a dog for barking,
> but he appears to recognize that this may not work and so
> distraction is recommended as a back up procedure: There
> really is NOTHING new about the advice above!
Nuthin EXXXCEPT HOWE IT'S DONE:
Subject: Jerry's Dog Training Manual + I Am Willing To
Take Jerry's Theory On How Dogs Think As A Likely One,
Simply Because The Dog Training Methodology He Describes
(Based On His Suppositions) Works So Well.
Hi Marshall,
I'll do my best to answer you... please bear with me, ok? :-)
Marshall Dermer wrote:
> In article <3B4B013F.914E0...@hotmail.com> 2tails
<wagginta...@hotmail.com> writes:
> <snip Dave's response>
> > Not to mention, the manual has a lot regarding how dogs think, which
> > can't be explained just by a short description of "what to do." The
> > psychology behind the method is needed so that the person reading it
> > will be able to figure out their dogs' problems by themselves.
>
> > Problems, as in "why is my dog doing 'X,'" and figuring out ways to
> > address it, if necessary. regards, Lisa
>
> Dear Lisa, How would you know if Jerry's analysis of "how dog's think"
> is correct? That is, if thinking is some invisible process inside of a
dog's
> head how would we know if Jerry or anyone is correct?
Of course, it isn't necessary at all to know how dogs think,
or even if they *do* think. I believe that they do, but of
course I can't prove it, and neither can Jerry.
The heart of the matter is, the discussion in the manual
regarding "how dogs think" is part of a wholistic approach
to dog training. It helps to comprehend the reasoning
behind the methodology. The methodology works quickly
and easily, therefore lending credence (as far as I'm
concerned) to his theory of how dogs think.
It's the same sort of thing regarding theories of whether
the earth revolves around the sun, or contrariwise. Is it
possible to send a rocket to the moon, based on the
assumption that the sun revolves around the earth?
The answer is, of course, yes, though it would most likely
be enormously complicated. The better solution is to begin
with the theory that the earth revolves around the sun.
In other words, the simplest answer or description is the best,
even though it may not be empirically provable. And so, I am
willing to take Jerry's theory on how dogs think as a likely one,
simply because the dog training methodology he describes
(based on his suppositions) works so well.
I hope this helps you to understand from which
perspective I say the things that I do about Jerry's
method and manual.
regards,
Lisa
------------------------
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
=============
Subject changed: JUMPING / MOUTHING On PEOPLE (Ninnyboy)
26 From: Marshall Dermer -
Date: Tues, Aug 14 2001
Email: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
In article <2e501ccd.0108141341.7f18d...@posting.google.com>
mattburns...@yahoo.com (Matthew Burnside) writes:
Dear Matt:
Many have offered Jerry constructive advice but
Jerry has failed to profit from it.
My sincere advice is to filter out Jerry's posts.
--Marshall
PS: I have put "Ninnyboy" in the header for many
of us filter posts with this term. The term indicates
that the post is about Jerry.
I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently,
I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts
of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much.
They include:
Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman,
jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy
Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth
Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace,
John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane
Webb, and Terri Willis.
*(EVERY WON of them got VERY LONG
POSTED CASE HISTORIES of INCURABLE
MENTAL ILLNESS an HURTIN INTIMIDATIN
an MURDERIN INNOCENT DEFENSELESS
DUMB CRITTERS an LYIN abHOWET IT.)
Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
Analysis Specialty/ Department of Psychology/
University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/Milwaukee,
WI 53201
der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But
if I am only for myself, what am I?" _The Talmud_
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>
> >tami sutherland <suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
> > However, there have been incidences where she has growled and
> > snapped at us...for instance, when we were trying to dry her
> > off after bathtime.
>
> When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY pick her up
> ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5 sec, and loudly say,
"NO!"
> Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold her mouth shut for say 15 sec. If she
> so snaps that you can't do the above then you will have to find another
> way to administer a prompt correction, for example, throwing a can
filled
> with pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holding her mouth shut
for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No"
as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********
IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?
************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer)
Date: 1999/12/21
Subject: Re: Doc Dermer's offer
In article <tfR74.1$W64....@typhoon3.tampabay.rr.com> "Jerry Howe"
<j...@cfl.rr.com> writes:
>
> Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish your dog,
> do you find that he masturbates more frequently after such
> instances? (referring to your post about your dog using a
> pillow to get himself off)
First, I punish behavior, not dogs.
Second, I rarely issue corrections.
Third, as time goes on my dog uses
the pillow less frequently.
I would say he uses it about once a month.
Finally, I'm not really concerned about my dog's
masturbating; I don't find such dog behavior
offensive.
Eating dog poop, for me, is another story.
And the rate of that behavior has also
diminished with time. :-)
--Marshall
------------------------------------------
Coprophagia is CAUSED by your INEFFECTIVE, IGNORAMEHOWES
BARBARIC, BACKWOODS HOWEsbreakin methods, therefore it can
be EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY, simply by DOIN EVERY
THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE the
EXXXPERTS recommend.
<SNIP FIVE CASE HISTORIES of EXXXTINGUISHING
coprophagia NEARLY INSTANTLY>
> Do you "humanely" torture horses and slaughter
> so you can feed your dogs freshly killed meat?
I've never slaughtered any of my Class A Arabian horses
for dog or human CONsumption; furtherMOORE, we wasn't
talkin DIET, we was talkin ABUSIN innocent defenseless
dumb critters an LYIN abHOWET IT <{}:~ ( >
> For an animal lover you feed your critters
> enough fresh meat to kill a herd.
Actually, I've often fed my dogs entirely vegan <{}'; ~ ) >
> You wanna learn how to train dogs Jarry without
> throwing stuff at them?
NON PHYSICAL CONditionining does NOT endorse
throwin ANY THING AT the critter; you got a bit of a
LEARNIN PROBLEM; you don't know HOWE it's done.
> I suggest you go to Santiago, Chile for a few months
> or years maybe, might learn something instead of you
> turning your dogs into zombies with Acousticophobia.
INDEED?
Where abHOWETS in Chile will I finda a GRAND MASTER trainer?
> If they let dogs sleep on the White house lawn like in Santiago
> you would be there throwin cans around like a bartender during
> spring break and all the dogs would become violent and half the
> population would get bit until you and your ilk had them killed off.
Did you see the movie "Cocktail"? PRETTY GOOD, wasn't it?
Was it filmed in Chile?
> Your methods are almost as harmful as the ones you are critical of.
Oh, WOULD YOU BET YOUR LYIN STINKIN ARSE ON IT, eh, hathtobe?
Here's professor dermer of UofWI Dept. of
ANALytic Behavior AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
--Marshall Dermer
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
"The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
may acquire those rights
which never could have been withholden from them
but by the hand of tyranny.
The question is not can they REASON,
nor can they TALK,
but can they SUFFER?" -
- Jeremy Bentham
"A Cheerful Heart Is Good Medicine, But
A Crushed Spirit Dries Up The Bones,"
Proverbs 17:22
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training
Really Works; They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey
And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method
That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation
Is Built On Trust And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything,
I tell them they are good dogs and they
seem to follow me, onceI told them they
were bad dogs and they ran away from me,
now I only ever tell them they are good dogs
and they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.
A Bit Of Respect Works Wonders,
The Same Rule Applies
To Every Aspect Of
The Relationship With Your Dog.
Obedience And Affection Are Not Related,
if They Were Everyone Would Have
Obedient Dogs.
I Have Found Giving Dogs "Payment" In Advance i.e.
"Sam sit goodboy" Makes The Dogs WANT TO RESPOND,
After All, All Dogs Want To Be "Good Dogs" And If
You Tell Them They Are Good Then They Feel An
Obligation To Obey Your Request.
Telling Sam He's A Good Dog AFTER He Sit's
Apart From Being Too Late Is Also A Gamble
Because If He Doesn't Sit Then There's No
Positive Interaction.
Paul
-------------------------
All Truth Passes Through Three Stages.
First, It Is Ridiculed.
Second, It Is Violently Opposed.
Third, It Is Accepted As Being Self-Evident
-Arthur Schopenhauer-
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their
hearts and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.
INDEEDY.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!
In Love And Light,
I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours
The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer,
Jerry Howe,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"hathtobe" <hath...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:62122ff6-2aa9-43f8...@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com...>
>> AGREED <{}'; ~ ) >
>>
>> NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS until
>> you've LEARNED HOWE to DEBATE trainin methods.
> You dont get it do you Jarry?
I an my 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Students DON'T HAVE
TO "git it", hathtobe <{}';~ ) >
> Were you in the military or something, maybe an ex cop?
That's IRRELEVANT, IMMATERIAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL,
AIN'T IT, hathtobe? After all, I AM The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And
Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE
Wizard <{}';~ ) >
> Let me give you an example, you are trying to train a dog
> to sit so you can be the king of your dog training world.
You mean 'Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic
Medications ABUSE Wizard, don't you, hath <{}';~ ) >
> An amazing majestic grand master.
Of ALL critters <{}:~ ) >
True enough, INDEEDY~!
> First off in many cases getting a dog to sit is uncomfortable
Oh, well THAT'S usually CAUSED BY cruciate ligament failure
(***which is CAUSED BY surgical sexual mutilation) or hip
dysplasia which is CAUSED BY a simple NUTRITIONAL
DEFICIENCY and is therefore PREVENTABLE simply by
NOT FEEDIN GARBAGE COMMERCIAL DIETS <{}:~ ) >
> and possibly harmful to the dog.
Only if you're a IMBECILE like most EVERY professional trainer <{}';~ ) >
> If your dog sits on its own, that is nice and you can say "good dog"
HOWE COME would you praise a dog for just sittin? That's absurd;
furtherMOORE the praise is used to INSPIRE and FOCUS the subject
on the THOUGHT of "sitting"; praise AFTER the fact is IRRELEVANT
and IMMATERIAL but MAY BE CONSEQUENTIAL; may even UNTRAIN
the desired behavior by FOCUSING the dog's thought on a REWARD
or another behavior which he may have been THINKIN OF DOIN next.
So called REWARDS are actually BRIBES <{}:~ ( >
Your dog should NATURALLY WANT to DO ANYTHING you
ask; FOR FREE, shall we say, 'on accHOWENTA', kinda like
HOWETA RESPECT, as dogs kids kats horses monkeys goats
ferrets an spHOWESES are NATURALLY INCLINED to PREFER.
Wouldn't you agree, hathtobe?
Disciple Paulie Sez:
Paul
-------------------------
> but it is a totally useless "trick".
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard
DON'T TRAIN TRICKS, hathtobe <{}';~ ) >
The "trick" here is fixin the drunks an kat lover's forums;
they're very very disturbed individuals who shelter comfort
reinforce enable and CONtribute to each other's PERSONAL
PROBLEMS <{}:~ ( >
> Getting a dog to sit so you can feel like a "man" just shows
> you are insecure with yourself and need something to boss
> around.
INDEEDY~! An THAT'S HOWE COME my 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training
Method Manual Students are taught to ASK for a behavior an PRAISE
IT IN ADVANCE an the dog child pussy birdy goat ferret monkey horsey
or spHOWES will NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING WE ASK.
An THAT'S HOWE COME the "TRICK" is gonna be fixin up the
DRUNK an KAT LOVERS FORUMS; they're dangerHOWESLY
ILL folks, but I think maybe you an me can REHABILITATE them, eh?
> You want to make a dog stay while you are on the sidewalk
> next to a road? Just keep his/her attention focused on you ,
> you can actually pet them Jarry, nothing wrong with that after
> a while it becomes a habit.
That so, hathtobe? You ever heard of HOWE to install
a Pavlovian CONditional Reflex, NEARLY INSTANTLY?
> I rarely use a leash with my dogs nor is my yard fenced,
INDEED? Are your dogs PERIMETER TRAINED?
From: TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWiz...@HotMail.Com
Date: 10 Apr 2006
Subject: Re: AQC Pressure Treated Wood for Dog House
HOWEDY iantwright,
iantwri...@gmail.com wrote:
> The consensus on here is that I leave my dog
> in a crate when I leave for work (8-9 hours)?
Your newfHOWEND pals lock their dogs in boxes 16-20
HOWERS a day for years, iantwright. There AIN'T NUTHIN
"NOT WRIGHT" with YOU iant... you're askin LIARS DOG
ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES who HURT
INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent defenseless dumb
critters an LIE abHOWET it.
> As opposed to the securely fenced backyard in my house?
THAT'S on accHOWENT of these MENTAL CASES can't train
their own dogs not to ESCAPE despite their shock fences
and can't train them not to eat poison and bark constantly.
> Could someone explain why that is a bad idea?
Yeah. Your newfHOWEND pal janet's own dog ESCAPED
her yard and got PAINCAKED by a car in front of her HOWES.
Her other dog COOKED in 104F heat when she COULDN'T
GET IT to come inside for the day locked in her crate in her
air conditionined HOWES.
> If this is to train the dog, and a temporary
> thing, then I can understand that.
INDEED? WHAT "TRAINING" occurs INSIDE A CRATE?
> But if anything else, then I'd love to hear the reasoning.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Here's some of the MENTAL PATIENTS you're askin for "advice":
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.
Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....
~misty
---------------
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and
AFRAID of losing their careers and reputations....
Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning
and sharing...J;~)
---------------
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message:
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
---------------
> I have never used a crate
Lockin dogs in boxes CONfHOWENDS HOWEsbreakin
an causes ALL KINDS of temperament and behavior
problems and STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome <{}:~ ( >
> and i feed them all sorts of vegetables like broccoli,
> carrots, lettuce etc. most dogs and cats eat grass
> as well and it is not a bad thing. You do not need to
> feed them 5 pounds of meat everyday.
Care to share your RECIPY with us animal murderers?
I'd be perfectly happy eatin a vegan diet, HOWEver, Mrs.
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard
cannot seem to thrive on it?
You could REDEEM many of us murderers by SHARIN your recipie.
> Not only are you cruel and inhumane doing so,
AGREED <{}:~ ( >
Hey? I got a tarantula. You got any vegan recipies for spiders?
> you are also killing off the environment quicker,
"F" the environment <{}:~ ( >
It'll ADAPT <{}:~ ) >
> but I doubt a redneck from Florida cares?
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard
is a newcomer to Sunny Florida <{};~ ) >
> And you feed them all that meat everyday? Then
> yes you m,can get them to stay and heel easily
> because they are so stuffed they just want to sleep.
That so?
> That is how you dog training frauds work, is it not?
You mean bloat the dog will high fat diet an it won't wanna PLAY?
Or would you prefer to allHOWE your dog to "play"
till IT is EXXXHAUSTED an THEN start trainin?
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Method Manual Students are taught
to TRAIN their dogs when they got the MOST energy; an
THAT'S HOWE COME they'll NATURALLY WANT TO DO
ANY THING WE ASK <{}:~ ) >
> Same as a lion tamer.
Oh, you mean like sigfried & roy?:
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The ONLY effective methods of training ALL critters nearly
instantly requires NON PHYSICAL, NON REWARD based training
employing brief alternately variable non physical distraction
INSTANTLY followed by PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL
PRAISE and of curse, PRAISE IN ADVANCE.
Animals who work ONLY for UNCONDITIONAL LOVE TRUST
and RESPECT will NATURALLY WANT to DO ANYTHING we
ask, just because THAT'S the Nature of the BEAST. We learned
our lessons the HARD WAY.
LEARN FROM OUR NEAR FATAL MISTAKES!
Praising EVERY brief eye contact quickly conditions the critter
to naturally want to pay attention to us for nothing more than
PRAISE and a SMILE.
Through variably alternating brief non physcial distraction
INSTANTLY followed by prolonged non physcial praise,
critters quickly EXTINGUSIH ALL undesirable behaviors
and develop SELF CON-TROLL all on their own volition.
By allowing the critter to THINK of his normal natural innate
reflexive behaviors they learn to select alternate mutually
desirable behaviors, therefore avoiding any sense of
"CORRECTIONS," DISPLEASURE, PUNISHMENT, SHAME,
FEAR, FORCE and DISAPPROVAL, which INCREASES self
esteem and enhances the bond between trainer and animal.
Pavlovian and Ericksonian conditioning quickly install ANY
command as a conditional reflex, which WILL NOT FAIL,
provided you follow the PRECISE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
This method, taught by Jerry Howe, The Simply Amazing Puppy
Wizard in his FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual is
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Wynn says at that point, Roy tried to get the tiger's attention by
pulling back on the leash and saying, "No, no, no, no. Come on,
get up". Wynn adds that Montecore resisted, as if to say, "No,
I'm not ready yet." Roy continued to command him to get up.
"The tiger gently reached up and grabbed Roy's right arm with
his jaws between Roy's elbow and wrist in a very gentle way,"
Wynn said, pointing out that Roy did not receive a scratch on
his arm, nor was his costume torn. "That's how gentle Montecore's
grip was on Roy."
"Roy loudly commanded the cat to release its grip by saying, "No,
no, no, no. Release, release," several times. He had to whack him
with the rubber microphone several times to try and get the tiger
to release the grip. This didn't hurt the tiger, but it did make
a loud noise."
"Roy continued to pull on Montecore's leash not realizing that one
of the cat's paws was behind his leg." According to Wynn, Roy
tripped over the paw and fell backward on the stage and was lying
on his back.
He said that four stagehands then rushed out and jumped on the
cat. Wynn believes Montecore was confused and reacted by trying
to carry Roy off the stage to safety.
Wynn says Montecore just leaned over Roy and picked him up like
he was a cub. Wynn says it was not a bite or an attack. "There was
no damage to Roy's neck, but there were two puncture wounds and
one of those teeth went through Roy's vertebral artery and severed
it -- the one behind his neck -- that's what caused the stroke and
massive bleeding putting him in a near-death situation."
Wynn says Montecore walked off the stage as if he were finishing
his routine and even attempts to go back into his cage carrying Roy.
Stagehands backstage used a technique that made Montecore release
Roy.
That technique reportedly involved spraying
the tiger with a fire extinguisher.
Roy was then rushed to UMC.
Roy of Siegfried and Roy critical after mauling
Saturday, October 4, 2003 Posted: 6:20 PM EDT (2220 GMT)
A white tiger attacks Roy Horn of 'Siegfried & Roy' during
a Las Vegas show. It is not the first time one of the rare
animals has attacked.
Louis Dorfman, an animal behaviorist, says he suffered brain
and spinal chord injuries when one of the captive tigers lunged
at him back in 1985 while visiting the estate owned by Siegfried
and Roy.
They are the kind of attacks wild animal experts always fear.
"All these cats have good and bad days, they have no inhibitions,"
Dorfman says.
Dorfman is confident enough even to sleep with tigers. But trust
he says, can only go so far. "With a wild animal, it's never tamed,
it's never trained, it's never domesticated," he says.
Attacks like these have made the news time and time again -
a grim chronicle of what animal rights groups argue is only
natural behavior.
Just this past weekend, a Bengal tiger that was kept as a pet
in a small Harlem apartment was hauled away over the weekend
for attacking his owner.
"These tigers are killers. Even though they are gentle creatures
they have the emotions we have, they'll kill you," says James
Galbreath of the International Exotic Feline Sanctuary.
Galbreath runs a sanctuary for exotic pets who have worn out their
welcome, and says there are now more big cats in captivity than
there are in the wild.
Tonight, the fascination with those who appear able
to tame the wild has turned to grief.
It's the kind of gamble even Las Vegas isn't used to seeing lost.
Here's HOWE COME:
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE
a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to
five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily
with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific
And Could Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective, Safe Results
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And ALL Behaviors
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> That is just your way of using food as reward,
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing,
Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, Horsey And Alcoholic /
Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE Wizard
ESCHEWS the use of BRIBERY and so called REWARDS.
> you are no different from the rest of these "trainers".
Well then, you're a freakin ignorameHOWES and a LIAR, ain't you, hath?
> P.S. Jarry, you in recovery or something?
Good grief, NO~!
> Why the crossposting to alt recovery aa?
Oh, THAT'S on accHOWENTA tara green is bein held mentally
hostage by the drunken drug crazed enablers on alt.recovery.aa.
They're JUST AS PATHETIC as these animal murderin mental
cases are, the only difference is they hide behind their alcoholic
GROUP THINK and twist the meanin of EVERY THING A.A.
stands for <{}:~ ( >
I'll IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE an DISCREDIT them ignorameHOWESES
as I finish takin care of your kitty kats forums, you miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-
long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE <{}:~ ) >
> Maybe you should go back to the bottle,
I prefer drinkin direct from the tit <{}:~ ) >
> you seem very angry
INDEEDY~!
> and confused.
"Seem" it's *you* who's CONfHOWENDED <{}:~ ) >
> Your making up of words and childlike phrasing show
> signs of deep seated anger and aggression,
Was you gonna DEBATE trainin methods, hathtobe?
> something bad must of happened to you.
INDEEDY <{}:~ ( >
It all began late in December of '98. RUE the day...
THAT'S when Jerry Howe first posted to r.p.d.b. an
learned ONLY LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS
and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LIFE-LONG INCURABLE
Malignant MaliciHOWES MENTAL PATIENTS post
their LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE here abHOWETS.
> Sorry to hear that.
Well, "seem" I FIXED IT, despite that it took nearly TEN YEARS.
> Oh and is a "Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory"
> a euphemism for a sewing shop?
WON can obtain LOTS of DNA from clothing <{};~ ) >
> I assume this is a joke right?
You got any COMPLAINTS abHOWET MY METHODS, you shit bird?
> you are not really that crazy? Are you?
BET ON IT <{}:~ ) >
> Do you see spaceships as well?
MAYBE, but only twice, while on guard duty in the Army <{}:~ ) >
> It hath to be
INDEED? Sez you?
http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
hathtobe
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<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
wrote:
> HOWEDY hathtobe, you anonymHOWES coward,
>
Yes.
Though I find it interesting that all the "street people" that have
dogs sitting on the sidewalk of a busy downtown street with 1000s of
cars and trucks and people walking past them every day can sit there
and not be afraid or run away while all these people at the dog parks
with their dogs graduating from Puppy University can barely get their
dogs back into their mini vans without a fuss? I am pretty sure these
so called "street people" are not using any of your or anybody's
training techniques. I assume most of these dogs ran way from their
"nice suburban homes"?
Are they staying just for food? Or have they become like their owners
and are just happy to sit on a sidewalk. Maybe these "street people"
actually treat their dogs better than the dog park crew?
I have not noticed the saliva of these dogs so maybe you can enlighten
me on what Pavlovian laws I am missing or what conditioned reflex is
getting them to stay? Though I have my theories.
As to boundary training, no I raise my dogs in the "Chilean" manner.
Do you train a cat? No they come back because they want to lie on the
couch with you and get attention and affection.
Tara Green
>
>
> Though I find it interesting that all the "street people" that have
> dogs sitting on the sidewalk of a busy downtown street with 1000s of
> cars and trucks and people walking past them every day can sit there
> and not be afraid or run away while all these people at the dog parks
> with their dogs graduating from Puppy University can barely get their
> dogs back into their mini vans without a fuss? I am pretty sure these
> so called "street people" are not using any of your or anybody's
> training techniques. I assume most of these dogs ran way from their
> "nice suburban homes"?
> Are they staying just for food? Or have they become like their owners
> and are just happy to sit on a sidewalk. Maybe these "street people"
> actually treat their dogs better than the dog park crew?
> I have not noticed the saliva of these dogs so maybe you can enlighten
> me on what Pavlovian laws I am missing or what conditioned reflex is
> getting them to stay? Though I have my theories.
> As to boundary training, no I raise my dogs in the "Chilean" manner.
> Do you train a cat? No they come back because they want to lie on the
> couch with you and get attention and affection.
As someone who has worked for years in dog
rescue before switching species, this is
really silly.
Dogs of the homeless get hit by cars *all the
time*. The ones you see as you pass by
(dropping your dollar in their cup if they're
lucky, I guess) are just the ones that
*didn't* run off and get hit or killed.
I've had to rehome dozens of dogs that were
badly injured with their homeless partners
after thousands of dollars worth of the
resulting medical care.
Saying that because you see dogs that haven't
run away (ever hear of "natural selection?
Applies here too when the ones that did tend
to run off are already dead or rehomed) as
evidence of....well, anything at all, is
astounding in its ignorance.
hathtobe
Another rude, angry person who claims to be a dog lover and expert?
You must be the lonely female dog abuser looking for companionship? Or
are you the one in A.A?
You also are missing the point.
What you say does not really address the question as to why some of
the dogs are staying? Do you even understand what "Natural Selection "
means?
Proportionally are you saying dogs of the "homeless" are more likely
to end up dead or in "your shelter"? I suspect most of the dogs in
your shelter come from homes and the stray the "homeless guy" has at
one time was in somebodys home. I am pretty sure he did not go to the
breeder or pet store and buy it.
Many owners of dogs in big cities like Santiago Chile do not tie up or
cage their dogs. They wander at night or day and meet up with their
dog pals, hang out wherever and comeback when they feel like. People
do not run around afraid or "freak out" because some dog is loose on
the lawn of the Parliament. Possibly more of them get hit by cars then
N American dogs? Then again they have a better life then your rescue
dogs living in a cage or with owners that lock them up in a crate 9
hours a day and then tie them to a leash when they go out. We have
"hobo dogs" out around the cottage that wander free all the time, they
have owners but they are allowed to go where they want and they are
non aggressive, happy dogs who visit my dogs and then go to visit the
neighbours dogs etc. You suggest we round 'em up and kill 'em?
Tara Green
You insinuate and leap to conclusions that
belittle someone that disagrees with your
premise and *I'M* the one that's rude and
abusive?
Yeah...right. Just the first in what ends up
being an entire post frpom you filled with
logical fallacies, inane conclusions drawn
from zero information and false dilemmas
presented in lieu of discussion.
> You also are missing the point.
Um, no. I got your point. I simply have
information that is counter to your assertion.
> What you say does not really address the question as to why some of
> the dogs are staying? Do you even understand what "Natural Selection "
> means?
I do. I also understand what a "self
selecting" group is.
The dogs that stey are simply the few
individuals that have a natural *tendency* to
stay. The ones that didn't have that tendency
died or got rehomed. That's simply how that
pans out in the real world.
> Proportionally are you saying dogs of the "homeless" are more likely
> to end up dead or in "your shelter"?
What's with the quotes? I never said any such
thing, nor should you be "quoting" me as
saying it.
Proportionately? Impossible to say.....but
then I'm not the one making assertions. Just
because you draw illogical conclusions based
on no facts doesn't mean everyone else is
prone to doing that. Please don't project
your tendency towards that on me. I simply
atated what I've seen and what the likely
reason for self selection is in that group.
Nothing more and nothing less.
> I suspect most of the dogs in
> your shelter come from homes and the stray the "homeless guy" has at
> one time was in somebodys home. I am pretty sure he did not go to the
> breeder or pet store and buy it.
What makes you think he went to the shelter
or to somebody's home then? Is it beyond you
to think that some homeless people breed
their own pets just as folks who live in
houses do? Has it occurred to you that
selling puppies on the streets is actually a
rather sweet way for some homeless folks to
earn a seasonal living?
If you're going to jump to conclusions, you
might think about expanding the possible
choices to more than simply two extremes.
> Many owners of dogs in big cities like Santiago Chile do not tie up or
> cage their dogs. They wander at night or day and meet up with their
> dog pals, hang out wherever and comeback when they feel like. People
> do not run around afraid or "freak out" because some dog is loose on
> the lawn of the Parliament.
And lots of dogs in those environments end up
dead. Its as simple as that. You can create a
mythos around it, but a lot of the dogs down
there are malnourished, lost and dead in the
streets.
there are a LOT of rescues that head down
there to help preserve the health of the very
dogs you are presenting as magically cared
for without actual care being applied.
> Possibly more of them get hit by cars then
> N American dogs?
Yes. Yes they do.
> Then again they have a better life then your rescue
> dogs living in a cage or with owners that lock them up in a crate 9
> hours a day and then tie them to a leash when they go out.
What a bunch of bull. You take an extreme
example (one no one here would present as
responsible dog ownership beyond perhaps a
few months of training) and compare it to the
best of your world?
That's about as dishonest as it gets. Nice
job. You've shown your hand and let us know
your level of honesty....which leaves a lot
to be desired.
> We have
> "hobo dogs" out around the cottage that wander free all the time, they
> have owners but they are allowed to go where they want and they are
> non aggressive, happy dogs who visit my dogs and then go to visit the
> neighbours dogs etc. You suggest we round 'em up and kill 'em?
Who suggested any such thing.
Again, your inability to see beyond "*your*
answer and the made up strawman you apply to
anyone who doesn't agree with you makes you
pretty useless to try and reason with.
So have fun with your continued ignorance
about anything beyond your own backyard and
its "hobo dogs".
hathtobe
You are such a small person, what is wrong with you?
It is really difficult to try and put a point across to someone as
close minded as you.
It is nice you work in a shelter but without reiterating what I have
been saying, it is people like you that are the problem and the reason
we have so many dogs in shelters. Dogs in cages and crates so you can
handle them and they are not a nuisance to your life. This whole
attitude you have to caging critters to save them is such a backwards
way of thinking.
How do you know what my research is? Have you ever left town and
seen how owners of dogs or cats live in other places, other
countries? If your dog does not stay with you and runs away there is a
reason for that.
It is especially rich that you would say I am difficult to reason with
when you are this angry person trying to shove your BS down people
throats. From what i have read you seem to disagree with anyone that
puts forward a fresh idea which does not jive with your backwards way
of thinking. It seems a bunch of you toxic dog owners seem to have so
many problems which you gleefully share with each other and think are
quite normal to have and then get upset when others do not adhere to
your out dated training methods and toxic vaccination regime.
Tara Green
Its even harder to put a point across to
someone who can't or won't read.
I don't "work in a shelter"
> It is nice you work in a shelter but without reiterating what I have
> been saying, it is people like you that are the problem and the reason
> we have so many dogs in shelters.
"people like [me]" that do...what, exactly?
What is it that you have assumed I do? I'd
love to know, especially since you are
blaming "people like me" for all these
tragedies, I think it would be cute to find
out what exactly you have concocted.
> Dogs in cages and crates so you can
> handle them and they are not a nuisance to your life.
Pardon me?
This is a joke, right?
You whine about "putting a point across" to
me, when you have yet to show that you even
bother to read what is being written to you,
and certainly haven't shown even the most
rudimentary willingness to...oh, I
dunno,....ASK A QUESTION if you don't know
something rather than jump to these ignorant
conclusions.
> This whole
> attitude you have to caging critters to save them is such a backwards
> way of thinking.
This whole attitude that *I* have?
You wouldn't be making things up and then
putting those made up words in my mouth,
would you?
If that's how you "put a point across" to
others, you might want to stop trying. People
generally don't take well to receiving a
point when the other person is too busy
making up lies and jumping to conclusions to
actually pay the respect of listening to
what's actually being said.
Now, if you didn't want to actually "put
across a point" but instead just wanted to
sling mud *while* making your point, that
would be different. We have a couple of folks
here that do that exclusively (you're
friendly with at least one of them, so it
would make sense if that's what you were after).
But "This whole attitude you have...", care
to define that?
Seeing as you apparently know all about my
job and my attitudes, you should be able to
sum it up nicely (not that you've gotten
anything right yet, but it would be funny)
> How do you know what my research is?
I don't. Where did I say I knew what your
research was? You're the only one pretending
to know about the other faceless stranger
here. I'm not pretending to know one thing
about your mind, attitudes or history.
I simply shared my own experience with
shelter dogs and with the dogs that do come
through rescue (by the way, in this country,
shelters are separate from rescue. Before you
leap to too many more conclusions, you might
want to know that)
> Have you ever left town and
> seen how owners of dogs or cats live in other places, other
> countries?
Um, Yes as a matter of fact. Brought food and
supplies to the owners for the care of some
of those dogs as well.
> If your dog does not stay with you and runs away there is a
> reason for that.
There could be *lots* of reasons for that. A
lot of those reasons have as much to do with
the temperament of the dog (as well as the
breed history) as with what you (in all of
your "research") are trying to say it is.
> It is especially rich that you would say I am difficult to reason with
> when you are this angry person trying to shove your BS down people
> throats.
I'm not angry about this. I simply find
presumptuous blowhards rather annoying. And
since *you* are the one trying to apply your
one theory to *all* dogs *everywhere* under
*all* conditions, and since *you* are the one
that feels its ok to put words into the
mouths of others, I would venture to say that
yes, you *are* difficult to reason with.
> From what i have read you seem to disagree with anyone that
> puts forward a fresh idea which does not jive with your backwards way
> of thinking.
Than you haven't read very much. That part is
understandable since I have been around here
for 10 years.
Quite often, I have been very much the
advocate of the "fresh ideas" around here.
But if you're only reading back over the last
few months (this ng died out a few years
ago), then you'll mistakenly think that
because I disagree (vehemently) with *two*
posters that I'm against fresh ideas.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Its just that there's a difference between
stolen ideas (in the case of your trainer
friend) and dangerous advice (in the case of
what I assume is the other person you refer to).
Applying critical thought to any information
that comes along, goes a long way towards
seeing a fresh idea and being able to
distinguish it from poorly explained, poorly
presented mediocre (at best) information.
> It seems a bunch of you toxic dog owners seem to have so
> many problems which you gleefully share with each other and think are
> quite normal to have and then get upset when others do not adhere to
> your out dated training methods and toxic vaccination regime.
Really? Which problems have I presented here?
Care to dissect a specific, or were you just
trying to fling mud again?
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"hathtobe" <hath...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 30, 4:40 pm, "Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <
{}'; ~ \) >"
<Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Research_Laborat...@HotMail.Com>
wrote:
> HOWEDY hathtobe, you anonymHOWES coward,
>
> "hathtobe" <hatht...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:62122ff6-2aa9-43f8...@i4g2000prm.googlegroups.com...>
>
> >>> AGREED <{}'; ~ ) >
>
> >>> NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA MY FORUMS until
> >>> you've LEARNED HOWE to DEBATE trainin methods.
>
> >> You dont get it do you Jarry?
O.K., hathtobe; I'll accept that you AIN'T a dog abusin coward just
on the basis of you postin anonymHOWESLY; an I'll agree that you
APPEAR to be here in the beast interests of dogs <{}:~ ) >
AnyHOWE, I think I LIKE what you're sayin <{}';~ ) >
Let's get DHOWEN to the BUSINESS of IDENTIFYING the PROBLEMS
and EXXXPOSING the CAUSES of the "PROBLEMS" and DISCREDITING
the PATHETIC MISERABLE STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN
professional dog trainers and self puported SHELTER an RESCUE murderers
an veterinary MUTILATORS an TOXIFIERS <{}:~ ( >
True enough, it IS a NASTY job; HOWEver, someWON GOTTA DO IT <{}:~ ) >
That "someWON" might just be you an me, Hathtobe <{}:~ ) >
AnyHOWE, we'll see what makes *YOU* tick <{};~ ) >
>> HOWE COME would you praise a dog for just sittin? That's absurd;
Dogs an children should be ***(non-physically) PRAISED IN ADVANCE,
PRAISED WHEN ASKED to do sumpthin an PRAISED just for NUTHIN,
an PRAISED nearly constantly <{};~ ) >
On accHOWENTA:
>> furtherMOORE the praise is used to INSPIRE and FOCUS the subject
>> on the THOUGHT of "sitting"; praise AFTER the fact is IRRELEVANT
>> and IMMATERIAL but MAY BE CONSEQUENTIAL;
Realize that I'm talkin abHOWET NON PHYSICAL PRAISE; touching, patting
or ANY physical contact INCLUDING so called TREATS will CONfHOWEND
the dog or child's ABILITY to THINK, RATIONALIZE an SOLVE problems.
THAT'S the PRINCIPLE CAUSE of temperament and behavior problems;
self-professed professional dog trainers cannot appreciate or understand the
RISKS and HARM associated with BRIBERY (it's even in the freakin BIBLE)
on accHOWENTA THAT'S HOWE THEY WAS RAISED an TAUGHT by their
SELF-CONcerned ignorameHOWES INCOMPETENT ABUSIVE parents and
PETTY, ILL TRAINED teachers <{}:~ ( >
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
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>> may even UNTRAIN the desired behavior by FOCUSING the dog's thought
>> on a REWARD or another behavior which he may have been THINKIN OF
>> DOIN next.
AND THAT'S HOWE COME dogs an children FAIL to LEARN when self
puported EXXXPERT professional OBEDIENCE TRAINERS, parents or
school teachers attempt to "train" them.
>> So called REWARDS are actually BRIBES <{}:~ ( >
And THAT'S HOWE COME dogs an children LEARN greed an avarice <{}:~ ) >
THEY ASSIMILATE THEIR ABUSERS MENTAL ILLNESSES <{}:~ ( >
Kinda like allelomimetic behavior, wouldn't you agree, Hathtobe?
>> Your dog should NATURALLY WANT to DO ANYTHING you
>> ask; FOR FREE, shall we say, 'on accHOWENTA', kinda like
>> HOWETA RESPECT, as dogs kids kats horses monkeys goats
>> ferrets an spHOWESES are NATURALLY INCLINED to PREFER.
>
>> Wouldn't you agree, hathtobe?
> Yes.
EXXXCELLENT <{}';~ ) >
> Though I find it interesting that all the "street people" that have
> dogs sitting on the sidewalk of a busy downtown street with 1000s of
> cars and trucks and people walking past them every day can sit there
> and not be afraid or run away while all these people at the dog parks
> with their dogs graduating from Puppy University can barely get their
> dogs back into their mini vans without a fuss?
INDEED? HERE'S HOWE COME:
From: Taylor Codwell (codw...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Date: 1999/10/10
Ya know what beeny-boy. I'm starting to like you. I got a dog
here that isn't trained to do anything except walk around the
neighborhood and come home to sleep and eat. Before her I
had another one that did the same thing.
I don't know how to train a dog so I've always wondered why
everybody else has these retarded dogs with all these problems.
Sometimes people ask me how I trained my dog to do things.
They're nuts. Nobody trained her to do anything. Maybe I got
lucky with every dog I ever owned, but nobody trained a damn
one of them.
Sounds like you're not a dog trainer. You're an untrainer. Like
maybe you get them back to the way they'd have been if nobody
trained them in the first place.
So what's the story beeny-boy? Howcome I have these easy going
dogs and everybody around here has to lock theirs in cages?
Howcome theres all these books and trainers stinking up the frigging
world and all I see is retarded dogs all over the place?
What is that shit?
I'm reading through these conversations here, and it's like a
friggin nightmare. What's with all these retarded dogs?
ANSWER:
ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR. Look it up... it's ALL EXXXPLAINED
in The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
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> I am pretty sure these so called "street people" are not
> using any of your or anybody's training techniques.
Oh? Perhaps you'll change your OPINION, Hathtobe?:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH,
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And
Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The
Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies.
"All animals learn best through play," Lorenz.
> I assume most of these dogs ran way from their
> "nice suburban homes"?
Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do
know she's not here with us. I really can't blame
anyone here for her loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it
because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling
to accept the idea that my using a shock collar
could have any bearing on Peach not wanting
to stay home.
Up until I started using it my main concern had
been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running
off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled
in the anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the
world now <g> A Wits End Trained dog, one who
is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff,
stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time.
IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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~misty
Hi Misty!
Charlie
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> Are they staying just for food? Or have they become like their
> owners and are just happy to sit on a sidewalk. Maybe these
> "street people" actually treat their dogs better than the dog park
> crew?
Hmmm. I've NEVER observed "street people" bribing choking or shockin their
dogs.
> I have not noticed the saliva of these dogs so maybe you can enlighten
> me on what Pavlovian laws I am missing or what conditioned reflex is
> getting them to stay?
You'll find ALL the INFORMATION you need in your own FREE COPY
of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic
Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
Horsey And Alcoholic / Psychotropic Anti-Psychotic Medications ABUSE
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual <{}';~ ) >
> Though I have my theories.
The subject of "LEARNING THEORY" is CLOSED for renovatiHOWEN <{}'; ~) >
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
Subject: "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines
From: "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004
"Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines
Classical and operant conditioning is founded
in what is termed "learning theory".
The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" are:
Something Good can start or be presented, so behavior
increases = Positive Reinforcement (R+)
Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior
decreases = Negative Punishment (P-)
Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior
decreases = Positive Punishment (P+)
Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior
increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-)
Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no learning
can take place without reinforcement or punishment either
positive or negative.
That is why they employ treats and force.
"Learning theory" is a flawed concept for evolutionarily
advanced species. Advanced species learn without any
external motivation. They are not automatons that merely
respond to stimuli. Their evolutionary survival has endowed
them with self motivated learning behavior.
Canines, in particular, are curious, they love to learn and
they exhibit pride in what they have learned. They think-
they figure things out. They can invent games to play.
They can invent behaviors to drive you crazy.
They have emotions-they can be humorous and they can
be vindictive-their feelings can be hurt. They can suffer
terribly if you don't treat them with respect. They actively
seek their environment for new things to learn.
They also learn from watching other animals and humans
and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific literature this
is termed allelomimetic behavior).
It is an insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners
to employ operant conditioning (clicker training). Dogs are
not B.F. Skinner robots whose only capacity to learn stems
from the four rules of "learning theory".
Canines deserve treatment and training that is tailored to their
nature. You can literally ruin your dog if your treatment and
training does not respect their nature.
Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method.
It is the only available method, of which I am aware, that is
based upon the true nature of canines. In his system, praise
is not used as a reinforcement or motivator, i.e., dogs are
not asked to work for praise.
--Larry
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: "TooCool" <larrym...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004
Subject: Re: "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines
What you fail to understand is the concept of self generated,
self motivated behavior as opposed to reflex like behavior that
is simply a response to a stimulus. It is double talk to refer to
self generated behavior as a response to internally generated
stimuli. Thinking is not a response to any stimuli. It takes effort
to think. It takes will power. It is a self generated, conscious
process that operates independently of any reinforcement.
Thinking is initiated by the will of the thinker,
without stimulus-it is self generated.
B.F. Skinner behaviorism applied to thinking animals is a
grotesque fraud. Its propagation as a model for learning
has inflicted untold damage upon thinking animals-especially
humans. It does not surprise me that those who endorse it do
not consider themselves more evolutionarily advanced than
newts, because according to "learning theory", learning is
no different for a newt than it is for a human. But for thinking
animals, the rules of "learning theory" are not their primary
mechanism for learning-their primary mechanism is a thinking
process and a thinking process is not a response to any stimuli
or reinforcement-it is self generated.
I cannot imagine how any enlightened mind can believe that
their knowledge was randomly gained from external/internal
stimuli. Anyone who has taken the effort to observe or to study
the thinking skills of canines could never believe that their behavior
results from random external/internal stimuli.
Have you never heard of the ingenious feats of thinking that
dogs have performed to save their owner's lives? The renowned
canine psychologist, Dr. Dare Miller, personally revealed to me
the events of two separate occasions when his dog exhibited
profound thinking skills to figure out a way to save his life; once
when he was trapped under the ice in a lake and another when
he was buried in an avalanche.
My statements on the use of praise have either been misunderstood
or else they have been twisted to suit the detractor's intent.
The Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method uses praise
extensively-it is integral to the method. But the method is
designed for thinking animals not B.F. Skinner robots who's
only learning mechanism would be through pain or bribe.
Thus, as I originally stated, praise is not used as reinforcement
because the entire concept of "learning theory" is rejected as
an applicable model for thinking animals.
--Larry
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SEE??
Disciple Paulie Sez:
Paul
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> As to boundary training, no I raise my dogs in the "Chilean" manner.
Oh? Oh, you mean you DON'T KNOW HOWE to perimeter train a critter?
From: Nevyn (greatd...@badmama.com.au)
Subject: Re: radio fence
Date: 2003-11-05
Hi folks,
In my opinion the use of a radioshock fence is a waste of
time, effort or money. I can understand it if you a rich snob
who cares nothing about their dogs safey or behaviours.
At work I boundary train all the dogs to the bricked area
(Four kennels with 26 cages with 1 dog in each, 1 services
building and 2 catterys which is surrounded by scrubland to
the east and woodlands to the north and a lake to the west).
This works well, because then when people buy them the dogs
are easier to boundary train to a door or fence or yard.
However on a personal note, my two shelter mutts, who I
trained using the WITS END DOG MANUAL available at
www.doggydoright.com will not go past the back door, or
the back gate or the front gate without permission.
And it is nice, for when you are having a party, you can leave
your gates open for people, and your dogs won't be the least
concerned.
I find this better then spending your well earned money on a
piece of junk Why not use it to invest in a horse? Or a new
house? Make a nice aquarium? Build a nursery for a child?
Save your money. Train your dog. Please. -- Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D. Veterinary Nurse
& Animal Trainer greatd...@badmama.com.au
"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals"
_______________________
> Do you train a cat?
BUT OF CURSE~!
> No they come back because they want to lie on the
> couch with you and get attention and affection.
Kat lovers don't know HOWE to train or handle their kats; they
surgically sexually an digitally MUTILATE them an shock an spray
them in the face with aversives to stop them from anXXXIHOWESNESS
behaviors like SCRATCHING FURNITURE an SPRAYIN <{}:~ ( >
I teach kats JUST LIKE HOWE WE TRAIN A DOG or GOAT,
FERET, MONKEY, SpHOWES or child or ANY critter <{}:~ ) >
EXXXCEPT drunken drug crazed alchoholics, professional
dog trainers, veterinary malpracticioners an kat lovers <{}:~ ( >
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Subject: Re: Wits' End method - a question
HOWEDY Chris,
"Chris Nellist" <>
wrote in message news:Xns9405AEC12...@195.92.193.157...
> "The Puppy Wizard" <> wrote in
> newshWdb.40724$ hlink.net:
>
> > HOWEDY Chris,
> >
> > "Chris Nellist" wrote in message
> > news:Xns94056FAC0...@195.92.193.157...
>
> >> Jerry,
> >>
> >> I am reading your Wits' End manual with interest.
> >> We plan to get a puppy in a few months time and
> >> are in the "reading up" stage.
> >>
> >> If I might ask you a question, about the "noise
> >> from the can" method:
For SHORE!
> >> how does it work if a dog shows interest in
> >> the can, e.g. goes up and sniffs it when
> >> it's dropped, sees it as some kind of toy?
>
> > That's usually caused by bad timing, not praising instantly
> > to the sHOWEND or not praising exuberantly or sincerely
> > enough or the can making a prolonged sHOWEND.
>
> > We break the dog of chasing the fallen can with the next
> > distract / praise, and failing that, ask him to come and follow
> > through with the come command, and then ask the pup to
> > give up the can and thank him for it.
>
> Thanks Jerry.
The pleasure is all MINE.
> Please excuse my confusion,
NO PROBLEMO. You have carte blanch on The
Puppy Wizard's time and effort.
> but when the can method is used to try to teach the dog
> not to misbehave,
Well, we CAN'T TEACH him "not to do" what he's not thinkin...
> what exactly should be praised -
The INSTANT of the sHOWEND or non physical distraction.
> is it a) the ceasing of the behaviour,
NOOOO! That's LONG AFTER the thought of the behavior has elapsed!
> b) the looking at the can,
That would indicate your timing is off or the can made a
prolonged sHOWEND. ANY SHOWEND is acceptable,
even a air conditioning system clicking on or off at the
right instant, will suffice, so long as we do not use the
same distraction twice in a row, cause it'll lose it's
RANDOMNESS.
> c) the looking at the owner,
WE ALWAYS PRAISE EVERY BRIEF EYE CONTACT.
> or d) the dog's moving of his attention away from what he's doing
THE BEHAVIOR HAS NUTHIN TO DO WITH THE TECHNIQUE.
We create a brief, variable, non physical distraction and PRAISE
IT and allHOWE the dog to continue whatever he desires, hopefully
he'll resume the UNDESIRABLE BEHAVIOR so we have another
OPPORTUNITY to INTERRUPT HIS THOUGHT SEVERAL TIMES
IN SUCCESSION, as it's being formulated, WHICH WILL EFFECTIVELY
EXTINGUISH THE THOUGHT of the undesirable behavior through
the process of NON FULFILLMENT.
> and towards the sound,
If the dog acknowledges the SHOWEND we're not praising exuberantly
or spontaneHOWESLY enough. If you have difficulty with the timing we
can demonstrate that on the phone or msn.
> being a reflex thing when he HEARS the sound,
PRECISELY. We follow the technique rapidly and withHOWET
regard for the dog's PHYSICAL BEHAVIOR, we're working on
HIS THOUGHT PROCESS.
> and not necessarily involving him actually looking at the can?
INDEEDY! The dog should NOT LOOK towards the can, ideally.
If he DOES, WE NEED MOORE EXUBERANT PRAISE to bring
his thoughts back to us, but we do not want to bring him HOWET
of the situation he's in, we WANT TO TEMPT HIM to resume the
behavior.
These techniques are FAST and NON PHYSICAL, so waitin
to SEE a response would be CONTRAWIZE.
> I'm expecting you to answer (d) here, but want to check that I
> understand the method properly.
NOPE! You're still a tad CONfused. That's O.K., we'll work on
it till you understand the TIMING TONE and TEMPO.
> And on the second and fourth distract/praise, does it matter
> whether the dog looks at the can or at the owner?
That's the process of INSTALLING a command as a conditioned
reflex. IOW, when we're BREAKING a thought, we interrupt it
EACH TIME using a variably alternating distraction.
When we're TEACHING a behavior we "emphasize" the key
or cue or command word EVERY OTHER TIME, allHOWEING
the dog the OPPORTUNITY to RESPOND based on the LAST
INSTANCE, and follow through with the technique till the C/R is
INSTALLED and then the dog will always REFLEX to your
command withHOWET even thinkin, like as if someWON tossed
you a can of beer, you'd snatch it HOWETA the air withHOWET
even THINKIN abHOWET it.
> I still have to get my head round the idea that a small
> object (the can) is used, being thrown in interaction
> with the dog, but it's not a game and the dog isn't
> supposed to touch it.
Right. ANY SHOWEND will suffice. A can is a handy source
of sHOWEND to alternate the distracton to keep it RANDOM.
See "Beans & Beer" method.
If your pup wants to chase the can, we simply follow the D/P
technique on that can, and so on and so on, and if we've
expired several cans, we return to the FIRST WON tossed
and continue the technique, UNLESS we're PRESSED by
a dangerHOWES or unacceptable situation, at which point
we'd GIVE UP on the D/P and rely on the CR of the COME
command, and later set it up again to resume the lesson in
a safe envrionment.
> I haven't any experience training dogs -
THAT is an ADVANTAGE, cause you've got no BAD HABITS
or MISTAKEN IDEAS as HOWER dog lovers here got... who
REFUSE to stop jerking and choking and shoking and locking
their dogs in boxes to force control of behaviors they do not
have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit.
> I'm trying to learn fast -
You're doin GREAT. Mistakes are part of the learning process
through which we learn PERFECTION. The Puppy Wizard still
makes mistakes on frequent occasion. The BEAUTY of this
method is that mistakes are EZ to compensate for on the next
OPPORTUNITY, as we're not using any AVERSION.
> the only experience I've had in throwing things for dogs is as a game.
Good. We gently lob the can or whatever beyond the dog and
INSTANTLY PRAISE for 5-15 seconds, and intermittenly for
moments for as long as the pup is THINKING of the situation.
> > WON of my pups will rush to retrieve it and may even drop
> > it intentionally if the other dog for whom it was used failed
> > to respond. That's not the first dog I've owned who'd drop
> > a can for another dog's inappriate behaviors!!!
>
> A lot of dogs are a lot brighter than many people think!
All dogs are. The PROBLEM is, most have been STIFFLED
by CORRECTIONS FEAR FORCE and INTMIIDATION, so
they're INHIBITED to TAKE INITIATIVE for FEAR of makin
a MISTAKE. Mistakes are LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES.
HOWER dog lovers FEAR mistakes cause they're AFRAID
the dog will LEARN THE MISTAKE!!! That's ABUSURD, but
that's HOWE IT IS when we use aversion pain intimidation and
AVOIDANCE of behaivors we fear.
> Cheers, and thanks again for your help,
Thank you for being a dilligent student!
> Chris
Your Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ ) >
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