cocker spaniel howls at 5:30am every morning
Susan Lavallee
bit,(play with her/him) no food or water after 6pm, then by the time she/he goes
to bed and has been put outside for the last time, the dog will be ready to
sleep, and sleep in. Keep the dog up till about 11pm at least, that being the
last time it goes outside. I have been breeding dogs 22 years and this will
work, right now had a pup doing the same thing, just had to get her on that
schedule and she slept through no whining or howling or urinating in cage, Thank
God, Good Luck!
BethF wrote:
> she must be hearing something....must be. train goes by at that time ??
> remember she can hear stuff you can't.
>
> --
> -Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
> Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss and Trek R200
> Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy)
> Anchorage, Alaska
>
> "Michael Green~" <mag...@hip650.ch.intel.com> wrote in message
> news:9oargq$1...@news.or.intel.com...
> > I have a 3 year old cocker spaniel. Invariably at 5:30am every morning, my
> dog begins howling, and does this
> > for about 10-20 minutes every morning. Has anyone had a similar problem
> with their dog? If so how did you fix
> > it.
> >
> > I've tried the high-pitched sound training color, but that isn't working.
> I'm very hesitant about the
> > electro-shock collar, so I'm looking for a less drastic alternative.
> Thanks.
> >
> >
roo
night, may work, as Susan says. Having her sleep in a different room, where
outside sounds don't get in as easily, and with the window closed, may also
help, because if the howling happens every morning at 5.30 am, it may be
what Beth says, something that happens regularly that the dog can hear. Even
if I take my three out for quite a long walk at 2am, Rug, the oldest, wakes
up when DH leaves, at 5.30 am. (The other two dogs just occupy the bed space
DH has vacated.) If nothing is happening inside the house to start your
cocker howling, perhaps it's something outside. Having her sleep in the most
soundproof room in the house, with a radio on, may help. Having her sleep in
the same room as you may also do the trick - my three take much less notice
of outside sounds if they are with us, upstairs. You could try each
suggestion in turn (ie both resetting the timetable and changing where she
sleeps), and/or both together!
Alikat
"Susan Lavallee" <vintage...@on.aibn.com> wrote in message
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Jerry Howe
"Susan Lavallee" <vintage...@on.aibn.com> wrote in message
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> Your Dog needs to be retrained.
I can teach her HOWE to break that behavior in five days or less.
> Try keeping the Cocker up later,
You can't fool mother nature...
> wear her out a bit,(play with her/him)
Handlers that rely on exercise to control out of control behaviors cause
moore problems for themselves when the exercise program is interrupted.
> no food or water after 6pm,
Would you like that for yourself? That means twelve hours or moore
without water. Probably not necessary...
> then by the time she/he goes to bed and has been put outside for the
last
> time, the dog will be ready to sleep, and sleep in.
Don't bet on it. The solution for behavior problems is training, not
management and forced control.
> Keep the dog up till about 11pm at least, that being the last time it
goes
> outside. I have been breeding dogs 22 years and this will work,
Yup. Works every time, don't it? I've never had that kind of a problem
becasue that problem is caused by mishandling. I've been specializing in
temperament and behavior problems nearly forty years. Trump.
> right now had a pup doing the same thing,
No doubt. That's because the behavior is an anxiety relief mechanism.
> just had to get her on that schedule and she slept
> through no whining or howling or urinating in cage,
The cage. Yes.
> Thank God,
For what? Don't sound to me like your solution is any kind of reasonable
solution.
> Good Luck!
Oh yes, almost forgot LUCK. Jerry don't rely on LUCK. Jerry relies on
the information and techniques taught in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits'
End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at
http://www.doggydoright.com
> BethF wrote:
Ahhhh yes, bethf. She likes to spray citronella and Binaca in her dogs
eyes and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked pinch choke collars to
break anxiety barking in her dogs... Ask her.
> > she must be hearing something....must be. train goes by at that
time ??
> > remember she can hear stuff you can't.
Like this?:
> > -Beth, Pseudo usenet cop
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
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> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the
> literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make
> the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by
> taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup
> got scared and just wanted to stay away from me.
> That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training
> manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
> The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make yourself
> the center of your puppy's world -- his personal Lord Jesus. Never
> give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
> out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
> This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything I want
> her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent,
> and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship
> with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
> Charlie
misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs,
> two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back
> in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn't
> come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog.
> She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces
> her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the
> road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
> when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence
> and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
> train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my
> dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
> ----- Original Message -----
From: "ben w" <her...@dalymount.com>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: DROP IT! Sometimes.
Hi, Jerry.
I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).
For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').
Best, ben
Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe
I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed
attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment
and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and
strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older
couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry
Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him
personally work with Chelsea.
His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After
Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture,
ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash.
She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long
story and I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it
to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us.
Marge Hoffman. (REWARD PAID BY DW.)
P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my DDR!
Jerry Howe
"roo" <r...@kanga.net> wrote in message
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> Resetting the dog's timetable so she is more likely to sleep through
the
> night, may work, as Susan says.
Yeah, it probably would if that was the problem. It isn't.
> Having her sleep in a different room, where outside sounds don't get
in as
> easily, and with the window closed, may also help,
Training the dog would help moore and would only take a few minutes IF
you knew HOWE. You've heard about the excellent results my students get
with these kinds of behaivior problems. REMEMBER roo?
> because if the howling happens every morning at 5.30 am,
That means that it'll be EZ to break, because any habit that is so
predictable it's always EZ to break if we follow the instructions in
your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual available
for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com
You remember that manual roo, that's the one you like to tell our
readers to killfile cause YOU got ISSUES with it, roo. The only ISSUES
you got with my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual is that if
it's as EZ and EFFECTIVE as my students say it is, it also proves you
and your pals to be dog abusing Thugs and liars, doesnt' it roo? Sorry,
but you left yourself open for that when you told Marilyn you'd killfile
her for discussing my methods on my forum, roo. You've been lying to
people here, haven't you roo? Just like your pals lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn and lyng frosty dahl and your buddy candace.
> it may be what Beth says,
bethf is a dog abuser, roo. She's got similar problems with her own dog
anxiety barking, and she prefers to spray Binaca in her dog's eyes to
cure his anxiety barking.
> something that happens regularly that the dog can hear.
Even better, roo. That means we can consistantely interrupt the behavior
as taught in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
manual and break that behavior in just a few days, as my students have
told you. You know, my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual you and
your lying dog abusing Thug pals call animal fuckers and paid shills for
Jerry. You and your pals roo.
> Even if I take my three out for quite a long walk at 2am, Rug, the
oldest,
> wakes up when DH leaves, at 5.30 am. (The other two dogs just occupy
the
> bed space DH has vacated.)
Give a crap, roo.
> If nothing is happening inside the house to start your cocker howling,
perhaps
> it's something outside.
Amazing, truly amazing. Hey roo? GOT ANY TRAINING SUGGESTIONS?
> Having her sleep in the most soundproof room in the house, with a
radio on,
> may help.
You mean make lifestyle changes and avoid the problem rather than
extinguish the behavior in a few days using effective behavior
modification techniques as taught in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at
> Having her sleep in the same room as you may also do the trick -
Might. Might not. Probably won't. But it would make it EZier to
interrupt the behavior properly when it occurs so we can effectively
extinguish it in a few minutes over a few days to permenantely break the
behavior as it's taught in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual avaialable for FREE at
http://www.doggydoright.com
> my three take much less notice of outside sounds if they are with us,
upstairs.
Yes, they know the only ones to fear are right there where they can keep
an eye on you in case you decide to start doing some impromptu
training...
> You could try each suggestion in turn
You mean experiment?
BWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
> (ie both resetting the timetable and changing where she
> sleeps), and/or both together!
GOODY! Instead of using proven effective methods to break the behavior
in a few days EZ??? O.K. roo.
What's your plan if changing their lifestyle around don't work? Think
you'll tell them they can learn to train their dog for FREE by the
fastest, gentlest, most effective methods known? O.K. roo. Seems like
that pretty well explains where you and your pals are coming from.
> Alikat
Jerry's got FREE, fast, effective, gentle, safe methods the OP can use
to train the dog.
Our experts here don't want to learn HOWE to train dogs, they're
satisfied to shock, choke, beat, even kill their own dogs to solve
what I consider to be minor behavior issues they can most often TRAIN in
a few minutes using the FREE INSTRUCTIONS in your FREE copy of my FREE
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at
http://www.doggydoright.com
The problem is, if they endorse Jerry's proven effective, fast, gentle,
humane methods, they also prove themselves to be incompetent, lying, dog
abusing Thugs. Seems we got a bit of a dichotomy goin on... But that's
why I'm here in the first place, isn't it. Our experts are
predominantely koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar
fans.
Misty sez my DDR machine cured her Cockatoo of squawking and biting her
son. Mom Rambo, an 85 y.o. cripple, too disabled to be able to use a
clicker, sez my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method cured her dog's
barking in
ONE day. Charlie Wilcox sez my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method cured
his dog's aggression problem in ONE day.
Lisa B and Misty and Canis55 and Margaret Hoffman and a couple other
posters have used and endorsed the excellent results they've got from my
FREE training methods and my wondrous machine that cures almost all
animal behavior problems up to five hundred feet away... maybe MOORE.
Elaine McClung, Animal Commissioner of Brevard Co FL and President of
Pet Rescue and on the board of Space Cats Club http://www.spacecats.com
sez my DDR machine cures diareaha in newly rescued feral kats, and stops
fighting and spraying...
My DDR machine has even stopped a rooster from excessive crowing. He
used to crow every 45 seconds from 5 a.m. till 11a.m., and after a
couple
weeks, he's crowing once an hour, and that's NICE. He's a happy birdie.
And here Misty sez my DDR cure her Cockatoo of squawking and biting her
son and my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual perimeter trained
her dog:
"misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read! Course my little
> gray box seems to be working... Buddy stopped biting the baby! No
> negative side-effects seen occurring...not to the bird, the other bird
> or Zelda. ~misty
misty" <Mom...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs,
> two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
> Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back
> in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn't
> come back home.
> I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog.
> She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces
> her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the
> road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes
> when we walk around the yard.
> I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence
> and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence then you need to
> train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my
> dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-(
> ~misty
Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
From: 2tails (waggi...@hotmail.com)
Subject: My Experience with the Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
View: Complete Thread (271 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-07-04 20:45:19 PST
After using Jerry's training manual, I became curious about the
Doggy Do Right (DDR) machine, and a few weeks ago I received one.
I thought the group might be interested in some things I've noticed
since using it. (This is a bit of an understatement as I certainly
expect a flurry of responses... most of them will probably be nasty.
But we'll see.)
Anyway, at first I would leave it on only when I left the house, but one
day I forgot and left it on all night. My dogs used to wake me up
between 8 and 8:30 a.m. The morning after I left it on all night, they
slept until 9:30 a.m. At first I wondered why they had slept in so
late, and then I noticed that the DDR was on.
(And no, I'm not an early riser.) :-)
Now they consistently sleep until 9:30 or 10:00 a.m., unless I wake them
up earlier. One night the power went out, and the DDR was switched
off. They woke me around 8:30 that day.
The second thing was something my husband noticed. If the light on the
DDR is flashing, it is in "rest" mode... when it's solid, it is playing
the program. He came home, the dogs were doing their usual growl and
"bitey face" rowdiness... when the machine's light became solid
(programon), they laid down in the same room with the machine.
Pepper even laid on her side and started taking a little nap.
Often, I will see the dogs in the room with the DDR when the program is
playing, usually around their nap time. That is, they will nap in the
same room as the machine and not in other areas of the house... even
though their "preferred" sleeping spot at other times seems to be my
bed.
The last two things I've noticed have been with my 7 yr old Dalmatian,
Beau. He is normally terrified of thunderstorms, so much that he will
try to crawl into my lap, or he will shake and shed hair everywhere.
(Shedding hair is a symptom of stress I suppose... he does the same
thing at the vet's.)
On Sunday, we had a really severe thunderstorm, with hail, etc. When
the storm began, I turned the machine to play mode. He laid on the
floor next to where I was sitting. He still didn't want to let me get
out of his sight, but his behavior was much improved from earlier
episodes.
The last thing has to do with Beau and the vacuum cleaner. The surest
way for me to clear him out of a room used to be for me to start
vacuuming. He'd race into another room and hide. Now, he will stay in
the same room. He's still wary of it, and leaves his "escape route"
open, but he will stay in the same room while I'm using it, something
he's
never done before.
I've done no training to address these issues, but since using the
DDR for approximately three weeks, these are some of the calmer
behaviors that I've noticed.
As I said, I'm sure this will create a storm. May I say in advance,
that only polite posts will be considered for a response by me.
Regards, Lisa
Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and
time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this
email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from
AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of
animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.).
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I
am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as
did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark's of this
world, with some occasional successes. I guess that's variable
reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9,
2000
"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.
I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.
She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.
It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.
I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine,
Hi Jerry,
I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since
borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very
highly of it.
So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no
comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,
I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really
going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.
So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.
I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I
wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house
and if she would notice :)
I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues
Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God
bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I
also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.
So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.
Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I
think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must
help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices
homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I
would think it would be right up her alley.
Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life
"Charlie Wilkes" <charlie...@easynews.com> wrote in message
news:pjaootcg8dgrptuu9...@4ax.com...
> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the
> literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make
> the dog earn everything it gets." I tried this once or twice, just by
> taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible. The pup
> got scared and just wanted to stay away from me.
> That's why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits' End Dog
> Training
> manual -- that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy.
> The core takeaway I got from Jerry's manual is this: make yourself
> the center of your puppy's world -- his personal Lord Jesus. Never
> give him a reason to fear you or think you're angry. Love the heck
> out of him, and you'll end up with a great dog.
> This has truly worked with my puppy. She'll do anything I want
> her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent,
> and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship
> with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy
> Charlie
<"Terri"@cyberhighway
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for
putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that
people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
> admit to buying and having success with his little black
> box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
> him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box
first?)