For Melanie...
Donna
If you would like a bigger copy than on the webpage, send me a message and
will forward you it. Hope you like it... :o)
Btw there is also a new pastel of Marcel's Moogli, and Diddy's Danny :o)
Donna
Link is www.geocities.com/sweetdreameruk21
Cate
news:r408a.36070$Jl2....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Didnt have your email address to forward you the pastel I did of your
doggy.
> If you would like a bigger copy than on the webpage, send me a message and
> will forward you it. Hope you like it... :o)
>
> Btw there is also a new pastel of Marcel's Moogli, and Diddy's Danny :o)
Oh Donna, thank you for the watercolor of Orson! I hadn't checked my email
in a really long time and then saw this post. He looks great.
I especially like the drawings of Solo, Harlan, and who I assume is Kavik.
Nice work!
Cate
Donna
fairly new to it, so will let you know... :o)
Donna
"Cate" wrote in message
diddy
She has an awesome talent. she made a nice picture of Danny out of some
very poor photos. Its an expression I see on him often, and find that
when I think of him, it's that expression, yet have only caught on film
once, in a badly exposed film with no detail. Thanks Donna.
--
diddy
Pet owners believe in wearing real fur, because nothing removes all of
it!
Donna
photos I have been getting as without those I wouldnt have been able to
practice. :o)
Donna
"diddy" wrote in message
AMB
<rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Btw there is also a new pastel of Marcel's Moogli, and Diddy's Danny :o)
>
>
Donna,
Your artwork is great. But I also wanted to tell you what a handsome
fellow Dillon is! (As if you didn't know....)
Anne
Dimpled Chad
"Donna" <rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote:
> Btw there is also a new pastel of Marcel's Moogli, and Diddy's Danny :o)
Cute!
Chad
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Shelly
"Donna" <rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote in message
> That is ok Diddy, just nice to draw... Am appreciating all the use of
> photos I have been getting as without those I wouldnt have been able to
> practice. :o)
>
> Donna
Donna--
You have such a talent!
What lovely work, the one of Harlan is so wondeful (they all are, really!).
If you would like to use any photos of my boys, feel free!
I do pencil sketches now & then, but haven't had time to do any in
a long, long while. Your work reminded me how fun it is & that
I really should get to work on something! :-)
Shelly & The Boys:
Coda (3 yr old Collie-somethin'
http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/coda.html )
Bodhi (5 mos. old Belgian Sheepdog:
http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/sunnyday.html )
Rocky
> Hope you like it...
FWIW, and knowing Solo only from pictures, I think you caught
him.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Donna
when I do any from them too.
Just wanted to say thanx to all again, its nice to be able to draw, and
without all your photos I'd still be stuck staring at a blank piece of
paper. All of the NGs Users dog pals are gorgeous...
Donna
Shelly
I found a sketch (that I could scan!) of Coda I did a few years back.
It's not from a photo, just one day while we were hanging out
being lazy. :-) I am going to set my old sketchbook out where
it's more accessible (like NOT under a pile of magazines stuffed
away in my office! <grin>), that way maybe I'll get back into something
I always loved.
Thanks for reminding me.
Shelly & The Boys
http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/codasketch.gif
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Donna
basic outline like that to work on. :o) Let me know if you do any more as
would love to see them.
Donna
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BethF
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BethF
"Rocky" <2p...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
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> Responding in part to Donna from rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > Hope you like it...
>
> FWIW, and knowing Solo only from pictures, I think you caught
> him.
The expression is definitely in there.
Cate
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> OMG, I missed orson's watercolor - its fabulous!
Isn't it nice? It must be really difficult to draw or do a watercolor of a
black dog.
Cate
Gwen Watson
Cate wrote:
It is grand. I loved it. Watercolors are really pretty hard
to work with. At least I find them fairly difficult.
Donna has done some really great stuff.
Gwen
Donna
that Orson has to his fur in his photos. Is my next fence to get over, and
will keep you all posted how it goes...
Donna
"Cate" wrote in message
>
Shelly
"Gwen Watson" <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
> Cate wrote:
>
> > "BethF" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
> > news:v677lgb...@corp.supernews.com...
> > > OMG, I missed orson's watercolor - its fabulous!
> >
> > Isn't it nice? It must be really difficult to draw or do a watercolor of
a
> > black dog.
> >
> > Cate
>
> It is grand. I loved it. Watercolors are really pretty hard
> to work with. At least I find them fairly difficult.
>
very forgiving. Which, is what a lot of people say about
oils, which I find to be a difficult medium! :-) I love
pastels, charcoals, watercolors & pen & ink best.
(Donna has made me remember how much I love to draw!
Yippee!)
> Donna has done some really great stuff.
I agree!!
Shelly & The Boys
Cate
> I am finding it difficult to do an all black dog, esp with the lovely
sheen
> that Orson has to his fur in his photos. Is my next fence to get over,
and
> will keep you all posted how it goes...
Thinking back to my art class days, I'm quite sure it is very difficult. I
never got the hang of watercolors. My drawings and pastels were reasonable
facsimilies of the subject at hand, but all my watercolors ended up looking
like elementary school art projects.
Cate
Marcel Beaudoin
news:b42cr8$1r3jef$1...@ID-137534.news.dfncis.de:
> Thinking back to my art class days, I'm quite sure it is very
> difficult. I never got the hang of watercolors. My drawings and
> pastels were reasonable facsimilies of the subject at hand, but all my
> watercolors ended up looking like elementary school art projects.
OK, so we have Donne and Cate who can draw, a number of others who have some
small amounts of talent, and the rest of us, who can, on a good day, draw a
straight line. (This includes when we use a ruler)
--
*******************************************
Marcel Beaudoin
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Suja
Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
> and the rest of us, who can, on a good day, draw a
> straight line. (This includes when we use a ruler)
You forget that there are people here who can't draw a straight line...
even with a ruler. I can however, draw straight lines on lined paper
with the help of a ruler.
Suja
Marcel Beaudoin
@nhgri.nih.gov:
Maybe that's because you have such a bent and twisted mind!!!
shelly
Cate <orson...@yahoo.com> typed:
> Thinking back to my art class days, I'm quite sure it is
> very difficult. I never got the hang of watercolors. My
> drawings and pastels were reasonable facsimilies of the
> subject at hand, but all my watercolors ended up looking
> like elementary school art projects.
i never got the hang of watercolor, despite taking several
classes. IME oils *are* more forgiving (it's all
underpainting, bay-BEE).
--
shelly (vicious tart) and elliott & harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
shelly
Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
> OK, so we have Donne and Cate who can draw, a number of
> others who have some small amounts of talent, and the rest
> of us, who can, on a good day, draw a straight line. (This
> includes when we use a ruler)
drawing straight lines has nothing to do with drawing ability
unless you want to be an architect when you grow up. learning
to draw is a skill that *anyone* can master. it just takes
learning how to look at an object and transfer what you're
seeing to your hand. and, as with any skill, practice,
practice, practice makes perfect(ish). now, being a competent
drawer does not mean that you'll be a great artist <G>.
Gwen Watson
shelly wrote:
> drawing straight lines has nothing to do with drawing ability
> unless you want to be an architect when you grow up. learning
> to draw is a skill that *anyone* can master. it just takes
> learning how to look at an object and transfer what you're
> seeing to your hand. and, as with any skill, practice,
> practice, practice makes perfect(ish). now, being a competent
> drawer does not mean that you'll be a great artist <G>.
>
> --
> shelly (vicious tart) and elliott & harriet
> http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
True very true. But great artist do not need anything to
look at to transfer. Most of the time it is all in their
heads, ie my son. He does some beautiful stuff
but it all comes out of his brain and he never uses
something to look at to draw or paint. He does
some very amazing stuff.
Though he can draw very well when looking at
something that is not his style anymore than
playing music that others have written is his
style.
Gwen
Marcel Beaudoin
39167.news.dfncis.de:
> In news:Xns9334600B08BE0mb...@130.133.1.4,
> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>
>> OK, so we have Donne and Cate who can draw, a number of
>> others who have some small amounts of talent, and the rest
>> of us, who can, on a good day, draw a straight line. (This
>> includes when we use a ruler)
>
> drawing straight lines has nothing to do with drawing ability
> unless you want to be an architect when you grow up. learning
> to draw is a skill that *anyone* can master. it just takes
> learning how to look at an object and transfer what you're
> seeing to your hand. and, as with any skill, practice,
> practice, practice makes perfect(ish). now, being a competent
> drawer does not mean that you'll be a great artist <G>.
I have tried, and am just too right brained to do free formed art. Now,
taking something, putting a grid on it and enlarging it by hand, I rock
at.
shelly
Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
> I have tried, and am just too right brained to do free
> formed art. Now, taking something, putting a grid on it and
> enlarging it by hand, I rock at.
there's no such thing as being too right-braned to draw (BTW i
think you meant left-braned <G>). like i said, it's a skill.
your first 100 or 1000 drawings would probably look like crap
(you should see some of the godawful garbage that lower level
drawing students churn out. eeek!), but, if you had a
competent instructor who gives you meaningful critiques and
you practice, you *would* learn to draw.
Marcel Beaudoin
39167.news.dfncis.de:
> In news:Xns933466E2B8DDCmb...@130.133.1.4,
> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>
>> I have tried, and am just too right brained to do free
>> formed art. Now, taking something, putting a grid on it and
>> enlarging it by hand, I rock at.
>
> there's no such thing as being too right-braned to draw (BTW i
> think you meant left-braned <G>). like i said, it's a skill.
> your first 100 or 1000 drawings would probably look like crap
> (you should see some of the godawful garbage that lower level
> drawing students churn out. eeek!), but, if you had a
> competent instructor who gives you meaningful critiques and
> you practice, you *would* learn to draw.
I thought right brained was for logic and left braned was for more
artistic stuff???
After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
Sadness drifts across the land.
As for instruction, I take it that "What the hell is that!?!?" does not
qualify as meaningful critique?? (I actually got that from my high school
art teacher)
shelly
Gwen Watson <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> typed:
> True very true. But great artist do not need anything to
> look at to transfer.
unless you're talking totally nonrepresentational art, it's
still based in an observation of reality. i bet your son has
A) been drawing for a long time and has developed a good
skill-set and B) has a good grasp of mechanics (IOW how thing
work).
anyway, i was talking about people who claim they "can't
draw." that's BS. they can't draw because they haven't
drawn. you don't hop out of your arm chair and decide to run
the Boston Marathon--you have to train your body. drawing
skills are the same way--you have to train your eyes and hand
to work together.
Suja
shelly wrote:
>
> drawing students churn out. eeek!), but, if you had a
> competent instructor who gives you meaningful critiques and
> you practice, you *would* learn to draw.
Some of us are very "special" and require a lot of practice :-)
Honestly, I've drawn one thing well in my art class. The assignment was
to take an ad that had a face, cut the face down the middle, and draw
the other half. That came out *really* well. But, I cheated, 'cause I
can always draw the right side of faces, but not the left (the left side
looks like something Picasso created). Unfortunately, that's the extent
of my drawing skills - I just cannot introduce a depth perspective into
my drawings.
Suja
shelly
Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>
> Sadness drifts across the land.
i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
> As for instruction, I take it that "What the hell is
> that!?!?" does not qualify as meaningful critique?? (I
> actually got that from my high school art teacher)
no, that wouldn't qualify as meaningful critique. teachers
like that were why i hated art class. i really, really,
really loathed it. it took taking a big chance (at a friend's
urging) and signing up for a HS printmaking class (we get to
make t-shirts? cool, i'll try that!) for me to find out what
a *good* art teacher can do for you.
Melinda Shore
shelly <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>there's no such thing as being too right-braned to draw (BTW i
>think you meant left-braned <G>). like i said, it's a skill.
>your first 100 or 1000 drawings would probably look like crap
>(you should see some of the godawful garbage that lower level
>drawing students churn out. eeek!), but, if you had a
>competent instructor who gives you meaningful critiques and
>you practice, you *would* learn to draw.
My mother has recently gone back to school to get an
undergraduate degree in art history, and she needs to take
some studio classes as part of the program. She was
extremely surprised to find, after nearly 60 years of not
even trying, that she can draw much, much better than she
ever would ahve guessed.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - sh...@panix.com
If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Dimpled Chad
> In news:Xns93346978BDDF1mb...@130.133.1.4,
> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>
>> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>>
>> Sadness drifts across the land.
>
> i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
Remember, for Marcel, 'the land' = Canada. There was a blip in the space-time
continuum here, but nothing earthshattering... *smile*
-Chad
--
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"The capacity for compassion is contingent on the ability to recognize the
other person as human and as suffering." Wendy Farley
Marcel Beaudoin
39167.news.dfncis.de:
> In news:Xns93346978BDDF1mb...@130.133.1.4,
> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>
>> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>>
>> Sadness drifts across the land.
>
> i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
I am more worried about my legion of fans and worshippers across the
land... <dramatic sigh>
>
>> As for instruction, I take it that "What the hell is
>> that!?!?" does not qualify as meaningful critique?? (I
>> actually got that from my high school art teacher)
>
> no, that wouldn't qualify as meaningful critique. teachers
> like that were why i hated art class. i really, really,
> really loathed it. it took taking a big chance (at a friend's
> urging) and signing up for a HS printmaking class (we get to
> make t-shirts? cool, i'll try that!) for me to find out what
> a *good* art teacher can do for you.
Something else to do after the wedding. To go on the list with agility
training for Moogli, martial arts, look for a house, plan a trip...
Dimpled Chad
> "shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in news:b42gnp$1rtn6t$1@ID-
> 39167.news.dfncis.de:
>
>> In news:Xns93346978BDDF1mb...@130.133.1.4,
>> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>>
>>> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>>>
>>> Sadness drifts across the land.
>>
>> i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
>
> I am more worried about my legion of fans and worshippers across the
> land... <dramatic sigh>
Oh oh, a bit of michael-itis, marcel? Perhaps you need a spate of
antibiotics!
<snip>
>
> Something else to do after the wedding. To go on the list with agility
> training for Moogli, martial arts, look for a house, plan a trip...
>
You've got to provide pixs if you ever take Moogli to agility training!!!!
In anticipation..
Gwen Watson
shelly wrote:
> In news:3E64BFDF...@ig.utexas.edu,
> Gwen Watson <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> typed:
>
> > True very true. But great artist do not need anything to
> > look at to transfer.
>
> unless you're talking totally nonrepresentational art, it's
> still based in an observation of reality. i bet your son has
> A) been drawing for a long time and has developed a good
> skill-set and B) has a good grasp of mechanics (IOW how thing
> work).
He is a natural, similar to Mozart. He started writing syphonies
when he was three.
>
>
> drawing
> skills are the same way--you have to train your eyes and hand
> to work together.
>
> --
> shelly (vicious tart) and elliott & harriet
> http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
This is true in drawing. Indeed.
Gwen
Marcel Beaudoin
news:Xns93346216CFAF...@130.133.1.4:
> On 04 Mar 2003, Marcel Beaudoin opined:
>
>> "shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in
>> news:b42gnp$1rtn6t$1@ID- 39167.news.dfncis.de:
>>
>>> In news:Xns93346978BDDF1mb...@130.133.1.4,
>>> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Sadness drifts across the land.
>>>
>>> i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
>>
>> I am more worried about my legion of fans and worshippers across the
>> land... <dramatic sigh>
>
> Oh oh, a bit of michael-itis, marcel? Perhaps you need a spate of
> antibiotics!
Perhaps I should mention my legion of fans includes the dustbunnies in my
office, as well as the civilisations that have occasionally sprung up in
my fridge. They usually get discovered when my old roommates and I would
play everybody's favourite game, What the hell's that smell in the
fridge!!
Dimpled Chad
> Dimpled Chad <herr...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:Xns93346216CFAF...@130.133.1.4:
>
>> On 04 Mar 2003, Marcel Beaudoin opined:
>>
>>> "shelly" <scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote in
>>> news:b42gnp$1rtn6t$1@ID- 39167.news.dfncis.de:
>>>
>>>> In news:Xns93346978BDDF1mb...@130.133.1.4,
>>>> Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadness drifts across the land.
>>>>
>>>> i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
>>>
>>> I am more worried about my legion of fans and worshippers across the
>>> land... <dramatic sigh>
>>
>> Oh oh, a bit of michael-itis, marcel? Perhaps you need a spate of
>> antibiotics!
>
> Perhaps I should mention my legion of fans includes the dustbunnies in my
> office, as well as the civilisations that have occasionally sprung up in
> my fridge. They usually get discovered when my old roommates and I would
> play everybody's favourite game, What the hell's that smell in the
> fridge!!
Okay, correction: For marcel, the land = his office...
But, I think that you've still got the same ailment as our CEO... get thee to
a doctor! <g>
shelly
Suja <span...@nhgri.nih.gov> typed:
> Some of us are very "special" and require a lot of practice
> :-)
you'd be surprised at how many art students are, as well.
when i started college, i'd only taken 3 high school art
classes, all of them at the end of my senior year (i had
nearly all my requirements finished and wanted something less
book-intense to balance out trig and physics). when i looked
around at the "art prodigies" i was horribly embarassed by my
lack of ability. it didn't take long to see that most of them
had developed some really bad habits. by late in my second
year i realized that some of the people whose work i'd most
admired that first year were actually pretty crappy artists
while some of the people who'd been doing really bad work at
first had figured it out and were now producing some *really*
nice work.
> But, I cheated, 'cause I can always draw
> the right side of faces, but not the left (the left side
> looks like something Picasso created).
we had a project like that in drawing I and mind turned out
absolutely dreadful. it stunk to high heavens and nearly made
me cry.
> Unfortunately,
> that's the extent of my drawing skills - I just cannot
> introduce a depth perspective into my drawings.
perspective can be a bugger at first, but again, it comes down
to learning how to look at things. you *can* train your eye.
there are also grids you can use (architects use them) as well
as layering and other cheats.
shelly
Melinda Shore <sh...@panix.com> typed:
> My mother has recently gone back to school to get an
> undergraduate degree in art history, and she needs to take
> some studio classes as part of the program.
i'm jealous! my mid-range plan is to go back to school next
year. art history is on my short list of study areas. IU has
an ethnographic art history program, so i'd be stupid to pass
it up.
> She was
> extremely surprised to find, after nearly 60 years of not
> even trying, that she can draw much, much better than she
> ever would ahve guessed.
wow! *sixty* years?! is she enjoying it? my mom's degree is
in printmaking. she's recently started going back to campus
to work in the print studio (alums have free access to the
studios). she seems to be having a good time and i think it's
done her a lot of good to be back in touch with that
environment.
Cate
news:b42evr$1s0jn7$2...@ID-39167.news.dfncis.de...
> drawing straight lines has nothing to do with drawing ability
> unless you want to be an architect when you grow up. learning
> to draw is a skill that *anyone* can master. it just takes
> learning how to look at an object and transfer what you're
> seeing to your hand. and, as with any skill, practice,
> practice, practice makes perfect(ish).
I learned this when one of my art teachers used Drawing on the Right Side of
the Brain as a text. I couldn't believe that I could draw. Now I'm a true
believer that anyone can do it--you just have to be taught how to see.
Cate
Donna
looking at it in the shops the other day but I was another a book with
techniques so just by passed it...
Donna
Cate
> Was that book "Drawing from the right side of the brain" any good?
I loved it. But I had zero technique to work with, so I needed the guided
exercises. It's such a popular book that you'd likely be able to check out a
copy at your local library.
Cate
BethF
"Shelly" <sn...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> And see, I LOVE watercolors because to me, they are
> very forgiving. Which, is what a lot of people say about
> oils, which I find to be a difficult medium!
Yes, oils are forgiving and watercolors are impossibly frustrating to me!
Gwen Watson
BethF wrote:
I enjoy watercolors but have never been able to really get what I felt
was quite right.
With oils I find that what I do often doesn't have enough depth
to it.
Gwen
Donna
If you go back to my link www.geocities.com/sweetdreameruk21 there is a
pastel drawing of Gwen's "Blade"
Donna
Marcel Beaudoin
@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk:
> Hi all
>
> If you go back to my link www.geocities.com/sweetdreameruk21 there is a
> pastel drawing of Gwen's "Blade"
>
Holy Crap!! You kick ass!!
diddy
>
> "Donna" <rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote in news:eo79a.13$SP6.10
> @news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > If you go back to my link www.geocities.com/sweetdreameruk21 there is a
> > pastel drawing of Gwen's "Blade"
> >
>
> Holy Crap!! You kick ass!!
>
> --
That she does!!
--
diddy
Pet owners believe in wearing real fur, because nothing removes all of
it!
BethF
thats the finest one yet!
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Suja
Donna wrote:
> If you go back to my link www.geocities.com/sweetdreameruk21 there is a
> pastel drawing of Gwen's "Blade"
What a fantastic job! If your queue ever gets empty, I'd love to see
what you can do with Khan's pictures.
Suja
Gwen Watson
Donna wrote:
It is so beautiful! I love it so much it brought tears to my
eyes.
Donna thank you. You are truly very talented.
Gwen
Leah
wrote:
>Thank you Shelly, would love to use your photos. :o) Will keep you updated
>when I do any from them too.
Ooh, ooh, do Madigan, do Madigan! :}
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Marcel Beaudoin
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> On 4 Mar 2003 19:49:19 GMT, Marcel Beaudoin
> <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> wrote:
>
>>Holy Crap!! You kick ass!!
>
> <slaps side of head>
> Excuse me, I'm having a 'South Park' moment.
I see more Frank from Everybody loves Raymond...
Lone Hansen
"Donna" <rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote in message
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-Beautiful drawing of Blade man.
Lone
Shelly
"Marcel Beaudoin" <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> wrote in message
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> "Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:b42cr8$1r3jef$1...@ID-137534.news.dfncis.de:
>
> > Thinking back to my art class days, I'm quite sure it is very
> > difficult. I never got the hang of watercolors. My drawings and
> > pastels were reasonable facsimilies of the subject at hand, but all my
> > watercolors ended up looking like elementary school art projects.
>
>
> OK, so we have Donne and Cate who can draw, a number of others who have
some
> small amounts of talent, and the rest of us, who can, on a good day, draw
a
> straight line. (This includes when we use a ruler)
What about those of us who are too lazy to do much drawing?
http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/codasketch.gif
From a lazy day lying about the house, Coda in a "pensive mood". :-)
Shelly (Certifiably lazy) & The Boys (SOOOO Not Lazy)
Shelly
> "Donna" <rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote in news:eo79a.13$SP6.10
> @news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > If you go back to my link www.geocities.com/sweetdreameruk21 there is a
> > pastel drawing of Gwen's "Blade"
> >
>
>
> Holy Crap!! You kick ass!!
Yeah, TOTALLY what Marcel said.
(Hell, I would've said it!)
Shelly & The Boys
BethF
>
> "Marcel Beaudoin" <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9334600B08BE0mb...@130.133.1.4...
> > "Cate" <orson...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:b42cr8$1r3jef$1...@ID-137534.news.dfncis.de:
> >
> > > Thinking back to my art class days, I'm quite sure it is very
> > > difficult. I never got the hang of watercolors. My drawings and
> > > pastels were reasonable facsimilies of the subject at hand, but all my
> > > watercolors ended up looking like elementary school art projects.
> >
> >
> > OK, so we have Donne and Cate who can draw, a number of others who have
> some
> > small amounts of talent, and the rest of us, who can, on a good day,
draw
> a
> > straight line. (This includes when we use a ruler)
>
> What about those of us who are too lazy to do much drawing?
> http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/codasketch.gif
You are the mistress of composition. I bow.
Shelly
"BethF" <da...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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> > http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/codasketch.gif
>
>
> You are the mistress of composition. I bow.
>
>
they, to me, are much easier then men. And horses...horses
horses horses filled my days before I discovered dogs. :-)
Now, I have two great models, but it's so hard to get them to
stay still long enough!
I love to fill the entire page when I draw. Hard to scan, but
for me, I love using the whole page, different types of paper,
etc.
I really, really love Donna's pastels on the colored papers.
I'm betting, that even though her work is incredible, it is very
quick for her to do them. I used to labor over colored pencil
drawings forever, until I realized they always looked better
when I just "went with it".
Thanks Beth. Coda's a great model for me, I think he's about
the most gorgeous thing in the world. :-)
Shelly & The Boys
Julia Altshuler
one with a straight edge.
--Lia
Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
>
> Suja <span...@nhgri.nih.gov> wrote in news:3E64B81C.6CFE1987
> @nhgri.nih.gov:
>
> >
> > Marcel Beaudoin wrote:
> >
> >> and the rest of us, who can, on a good day, draw a
> >> straight line. (This includes when we use a ruler)
> >
> > You forget that there are people here who can't draw a straight line...
> > even with a ruler. I can however, draw straight lines on lined paper
> > with the help of a ruler.
> >
> > Suja
> >
>
> Maybe that's because you have such a bent and twisted mind!!!
>
> --
Suja
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Actually this sounds more like a faulty ruler. Throw the old one away and get
> one with a straight edge.
Heh. I knew someone would find the illogical in my writing. What I
really meant to say is that given a blank sheet of paper and a straight
edge, I can't draw lines that parallel the edges of the sheets. My
parallel lines will definitely meet at infinity (in fact, they'll meet
quite a ways before infinity).
Suja
Julia Altshuler
discussion on another group. Measuring carefully and cutting straight is
important in traditional quilting. There are all sorts of special rulers and
cutters and fancy equipment designed to make the job easier. Oddly enough, it
isn't something anyone learns on the first try. Everyone has a favorite method
to get good results. Not too long ago, a new person joined the list and said
that she just couldn't cut straight. About 15 people, myself included, offered
tips and advice with attempts at diagnosing what the problem was and how to fix
it. She went down the list of replies and discarded every single person's
suggestions explaining how she'd either tried it already or why it wouldn't
work. She ended each post with "I just can't cut straight, lol." I was the
only one who lost patience with her. (I have far less patience than the average
quilter.) I finally told her that she might as well give up since she just
couldn't cut straight.
Anyway, quilters have all sorts of fancy drafting supplies. I'll bet you could
draw straight parallel lines with a 6" x 24" transparent acryllic ruler. The
lines and numbers down to an 8th of an inch are drawn on one side of the ruler,
but it is otherwise completely see through. You can line up lines on the paper
with lines on the ruler by placing the whole ruler on top of your paper and
looking through it. Then you draw (or cut) along the straight edge.
--Lia
Suja
Julia Altshuler wrote:
> quilter.) I finally told her that she might as well give up since she just
> couldn't cut straight.
The other person sounds like me :-) I remember way back when I had to
take needlework. The assignment was to take a square piece of cloth
(pre-cut), hem the edges by hand, and embroider it. My square piece
ended up being a quadrilateral, but I did a decent embroidery job on it.
> with lines on the ruler by placing the whole ruler on top of your paper and
> looking through it. Then you draw (or cut) along the straight edge.
Playing the devil's advocate - what if you wanted to draw a line a cm or
so from the edge, less than the width of the ruler? Most normal people
would be able to do that rather easily. I can too, but it will take *a
lot* of effort (and a few trials and errors) on my part.
Suja (Give me lined paper, or we're gonna be here a while)
Julia Altshuler
on it instead of fractions of an inch. (They're available in the U.S. but take
a little looking for.) Then put the paper under the ruler until the edge of the
paper lines up with the centimeter line. Look through the ruler. One
centimeter will be under the ruler. Now draw a line with your pencil against
the edge of the ruler.
I think I've just figured out the point of confusion. I'll return to inches to
explain. The ruler used most commonly is 6" x 24". Going up the ruler, you
have lines marking 1", 2", 3" etc. all the way up to 24" and the 1/8, 1/4, 3/8,
1/2 marks between the inches. Going across the ruler, you have exactly the same
thing going up to 6". So the lines form squares. A regular school ruler only
has numbered lines going one way. This ruler has lines going in both
directions, horizontal AND vertical. So it is very easy to line things up.
Further, the paper or fabric can go UNDER the ruler so the edge you want lined
up is safe where it won't move.
I've said it is easy, and it is, but I should qualify that everyone finds it
confusing at first. Beginning quilt classes are filled with students exclaiming
over the difficulty in figuring out their right from their left hands. You get
things all lined up and then discover that you have to walk to the other side of
the table to cut. I've met even fairly experienced quilters who are still
unsure on the point of the measured part of the fabric going UNDER the ruler. I
show them the right way to do it, and they can't believe they've been getting it
wrong all that time.
--Lia
Suja
<snip...useful stuff about using rulers>
I get it now. Yes, something like that would be idiot proof, wouldn't it?
> unsure on the point of the measured part of the fabric going UNDER the ruler. I
> show them the right way to do it, and they can't believe they've been getting it
> wrong all that time.
Thank goodness I don't quilt. Sewing was bad enough.
Suja
Donna
All my art work is done on A4 paper for now as scared to go larger!! lol...
Gwen's "Blade" took me nearly 4 hours from sketch to finishing...
Donna
"Shelly"
peejoe
"Julia Altshuler" <jalts...@attbi.com> wrote
<snip good info>
> I've said it is easy, and it is, but I should qualify that everyone finds
it
> confusing at first. Beginning quilt classes are filled with students
exclaiming
> over the difficulty in figuring out their right from their left hands.
You get
> things all lined up and then discover that you have to walk to the other
side of
> the table to cut. I've met even fairly experienced quilters who are still
> unsure on the point of the measured part of the fabric going UNDER the
ruler. I
> show them the right way to do it, and they can't believe they've been
getting it
> wrong all that time.
>
> --Lia
>
>
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble with the concepts involved in
quilting. I've always wanted to quilt, but don't know how to sew much at
all. I finally decided I was never gonna learn if I didn't just do it.
So, stupidly I volenteered to do the class quilt for my sons kindergarten
class. My MIL, one of those people who makes quilting look easy, was
going to help me through it. She ended up not helping me at all, and I
had to muddle my way through it. I screwed it up pretty bad, it's a good
thing they hung it up high on the wall. None of the corners matched, and
it had to be tacked just so or it wouldn't hang straight. My MIL made me
feel like a fool by pointing out every mistake in front of my sons teacher
and saying "You should have told me you were screwing it up so bad, I would
have done it for you." Grrrrr... (*&@#^&*~
Anyhow, I'm planning to take a class pretty soon and learning how to
make a quilt the right way so I can finish the quilt top I have that my
great grandma started.
-Jenn
shelly
Suja <span...@scs.gmu.edu> typed:
> I can't draw lines that parallel the edges of the sheets.
> My parallel lines will definitely meet at infinity (in
> fact, they'll meet quite a ways before infinity).
thankfully, the ability to draw parallel lines is not a
measure of whether or not someone can draw. if it were, no
one would be successful.
it's not a question of whether or not a person *can* learn
to draw, but of whether or not s/he *wants* to learn to
draw.
--
shelly (vicious tart) and elliott & harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
Suja
shelly wrote:
>
> it's not a question of whether or not a person *can* learn
> to draw, but of whether or not s/he *wants* to learn to
> draw.
That's probably true. But, having had a rough time (and no help) with
previous drawing attempts, I'm pretty sure that I have a mental block
against trying. BTW, back in India, everyone starts taking physics,
chem and bio starting in 5th grade, and drawing is a BIG part of the
biology curriculum. They expect you to be able to draw things you're
studying (animal cell, plant cell, cross section of a root, the ear, the
eye, etc.), and favorite questions always run like 'Describe with
illustrations, the difference between plant and animal cellular
structure'. And it gets worse when you get to college and are a Bio
major. If you dissect a cockroach for example, you have to draw what
the actual roach looks like pre-dissection, as well as the post
dissected version. I never quite got the point of all the drawing.
I've sometimes stayed up nights drawing things that a more talented
person could have done in an hour - I should know, there are a few of
those in the family, including my mom.
Suja
Julia Altshuler
private message would bounce. We'll take this to private momentarily unless
y'all start clamoring for an off-topic quilting discussion. Email me if you
want in on this discussion.)
There are certainly people who enjoy both garment sewing and quilting, but I
find a whole lot who find one appealing and not the other. The two are so
different. Quilting is precise and mathematical in a way that dressmaking
isn't. I fell in love with that, learned some basic rules and can now look at
any traditional quilt, go home and draft the pattern. (I'm distinguishing
between traditional quilts and art quilts. A traditional quilt can be a work of
art, but I'm using the word to mean a quilt based on repetitive geometric shapes
as opposed to free form curvy abstract fabric pictures.)
The math and drafting needed for quilting aren't hard, elementary school stuff
really, but there are a tremendous number of women out there who throw up their
hands and say that they can't handle the math. For them, there is a whole
industry of books and magazines and patterns in which the pattern maker has
provided a picture of the finished quilt and the arithmatic telling the buyer
how much fabric in which color to buy and what size to cut the pieces and what
order to sew them together. If I'm going to pretend to be a nice person, I'll
say that people have different talents so it is good that the patterns are there
for folks who like them. However, y'all know that I don't have a nice bone in
me, and those idiots who need a chart to tell them how to multiply inches rub me
wrong.
Learning to draft, measure and cut are new concepts, but they're not impossible
ones. I couldn't have figured it out on my own so there's no need to be
embarrassed that you couldn't get it without instruction. Your quilt didn't
hang flat because the measurements were off and you didn't understand cutting on
the grain of the fabric. No one is born knowing about grain line, but once
you've worked with it for a while, it starts to seem so obvious that it is easy
to forget that not everyone knows what it is. That's what your mother in law
did. She forgot, and she's not a good teacher.
Here's my point: Beginning quilt classes are of 2 sorts. One sort is for the
people who want to learn how to follow a pattern. It may be template based
quilting. With templates, you cut out a shape without ever having to know how
big it is in inches. The other sort is for people who want to learn quilting
basics and go on to make any sort of quilt they want. This class will show you
how to cut with a rotary cutter, ruler and mat. They'll teach you how to
measure and cut all the basic shapes. It is important to get in the right class
because you'll likely be frustrated if you need one teaching style while the
teacher has prepared a class based on the other. Ask about the beginning
class. You're welcome to check with me about what the teacher says so I can
guide you into the class that's right for you.
The other thing that's tricky about quilting is that there are a certain number
of motor skills involved. These are the ones like bike riding that can't quite
be explained. They have to be practiced until you get the rhythm right. Then
they're easy, but they're enormously frustrating during the learning process.
Did your grandmother finish the entire top so it now needs basting and
quilting? Or do you need to do more sewing to make the top complete?
--Lia
peejoe wrote:
> I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble with the concepts involved in
> quilting. I've always wanted to quilt but don't know how to sew much at
> all. I finally decided I was never gonna learn if I didn't just do it.
> So, stupidly I volunteered to do the class quilt for my son's kindergarten
> class. My MIL, one of those people who makes quilting look easy, was
> going to help me through it. She ended up not helping me at all, and I
> had to muddle my way through it. I screwed it up pretty bad; it's a good
> thing they hung it up high on the wall. None of the corners matched, and
> it had to be tacked just so or it wouldn't hang straight. My MIL made me
> feel like a fool by pointing out every mistake in front of my son's teacher
> and saying "You should have told me you were screwing it up so bad; I would
Gwen Watson
BethF wrote:
Boohoo, I can't get the page to appear???????
Gwen
who really would love to see this drawing
Shelly
"Gwen Watson" <gw...@ig.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
> BethF wrote:
> > >
> > > What about those of us who are too lazy to do much drawing?
> > > http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/codasketch.gif
> >
> > You are the mistress of composition. I bow.
>
> Boohoo, I can't get the page to appear???????
I dunno Gwen.
I worked okay for me. (I actually remembered how to do it
correctly!)
Shelly & The Boys
Gwen Watson
Donna wrote:
> The pastel generally take a couple of hours depending on size and subject.
> All my art work is done on A4 paper for now as scared to go larger!! lol...
>
> Gwen's "Blade" took me nearly 4 hours from sketch to finishing...
>
> Donna
Wow I didn't intend for you to have to put in that much work.
I feel rather badly. I am sure you enjoyed it but I do feel
a bit guilty about this much time.
It is so good. My dad, who is a fairly good artist was quite impressed.
Gwen
Gwen Watson
Shelly wrote:
It comes up with Yahoo and says this page is currently unavailable.
Gwen
Donna
is nothing to me. I'd rather spend 3 hours drawing than 3 hours watching
tv...
Main reason they take so long is down to me and how good I want the picture
to look.
Donna
"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
michael
uhhhhhh....
BWAHAHAAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!
I want in on the discussion. What's 4 times 4?
michael
live....
http://dogtv.com
filly
> Okay Donna--
> I found a sketch (that I could scan!) of Coda I did a few years back.
> It's not from a photo, just one day while we were hanging out
> being lazy. :-) I am going to set my old sketchbook out where
> it's more accessible (like NOT under a pile of magazines stuffed
> away in my office! <grin>), that way maybe I'll get back into something
> I always loved.
> Thanks for reminding me.
Hey kid, you got it! You got talent. You got Coda's look, his eyes. Yes,
please set your sketchbook out where you can actually sketch in it. Don't
let it get away.
Karla
BethF
> I spent my youth drawing humans. I love to draw beautiful women,
> they, to me, are much easier then men.
I have always enjoyed drawing chubby people for some reason. Much more
interesting parts.
Theresa Willis
<scouv...@bluemarble.net> wrote:
>In news:Xns93346978BDDF1mb...@130.133.1.4,
>Marcel Beaudoin <mbea...@caduceonlabs.com> typed:
>
>> After a minute of Googling, Marcel discovers he is wrong.
>>
>> Sadness drifts across the land.
>
>i'm sure you'll get over it <G>.
>
>> As for instruction, I take it that "What the hell is
>> that!?!?" does not qualify as meaningful critique?? (I
>> actually got that from my high school art teacher)
>
>no, that wouldn't qualify as meaningful critique. teachers
>like that were why i hated art class. i really, really,
>really loathed it. it took taking a big chance (at a friend's
>urging) and signing up for a HS printmaking class (we get to
>make t-shirts? cool, i'll try that!) for me to find out what
>a *good* art teacher can do for you.
Have you ever seen any art programs by Dan Mihuta? I thought he was
pretty darn cool.
--%
shelly
Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> typed:
> Have you ever seen any art programs by Dan Mihuta? I
> thought he was pretty darn cool.
no, i haven't. i went a-Googling and his programs look
interesting. i wish our local public station carried them.
he sounds like someone who inspires people, and i'm of the
opinion that anything that will inspire people to be creative
is well worth it.
HarCo Industries
> In news:hs1d6vkbq9nuv4quh...@4ax.com,
> Theresa Willis <tdwi...@earthlink.net> typed:
>
> > Have you ever seen any art programs by Dan Mihuta? I
> > thought he was pretty darn cool.
>
> no, i haven't. i went a-Googling and his programs look
> interesting. i wish our local public station carried them.
> he sounds like someone who inspires people, and i'm of the
> opinion that anything that will inspire people to be creative
> is well worth it.
I've only seen the program a few times. They made want to grab a bunch
of crayons and start playing!
He did a bunch of 15 min episodes (like, 60+). The ones I saw were
very cool; I'm thinking of buying a set of tapes I saw on-line, to
have on hand for the demon spaw^W^W nieces.
--%
Shelly & The Boys
"Donna" <rainda...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The pastel generally take a couple of hours depending on size and subject.
> All my art work is done on A4 paper for now as scared to go larger!!
lol...
>
> Gwen's "Blade" took me nearly 4 hours from sketch to finishing...
And it's gorgeous. Definitely.
Funny thing...I find GSDs difficult. There's something about their
head/ear/mouth shape. I'll have to see if I can find the ACD I
did, it's the closest thing I can get away from the long lines of
Borzois, Salukis & Collies! <laugh>
Shelly & The Boys
shelly
HarCo Industries <tdwi...@earthlink.net> typed:
> I've only seen the program a few times. They made want to
> grab a bunch of crayons and start playing!
excellent! i think one of the hardest things is finding
inspiration to be creative.
> He did a bunch of 15 min episodes (like, 60+). The ones I
> saw were
> very cool; I'm thinking of buying a set of tapes I saw
> on-line, to have on hand for the demon spaw^W^W nieces.
that's a great idea! i've got a nephew who would probably get
a kick out of them (and 15 minutes is perfect for a 5yo
attention span, and i should know, since i'm 5yo).
Donna
Donna
"Shelly & The Boys" wrote in message