Re: Jerry Howe - Fraud?
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>
> Is Jerry Howe
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard *(it's _ SPELLED JUST
_ LIKE HOWE it _ SHOWENDS) <{) ; ~ ) >
> a fraud
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED ALL the self proclaimed professional
trainers and university traned behaviorists who've ever pubicly
published here abHOWETS and THEN some.
> or is he a real trainer?
Here's The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual:
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FIGGER IT HOWET...
> Can someone answer please?
You're askin LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE
ACUTE CHRONIC LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES
for information and advice which will PROVE they're liars dog
abusers cowards and active acute chronic long term incurable
mental cases.
They'd have to be SANE to agree with The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ )
>
FIGGER IT HOWET.
> Primo
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.
Dr. Von
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she would
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
================================
From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H.
Several years ago one of my old students telephoned
to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do
Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop
barking.
I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry
Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told
my graduate that I thought the device was worth a
trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood
by turning on Jerry's supersonic device.
After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles
humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy"
sounds which humans cannot hear.
My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so
he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive
and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet
back of his bedroom.
Hot rats! The device worked,
Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the
matter again.
A few months ago I had new neighbors on each
side of my house, four of them, all with noisy
unshuttupable dogs. Argh!
So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence
that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned
Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came
to visit me.
Merlin walked into my office.
Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey
beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately,
and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again
which again became silent.
It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with
dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what
happens to humans in range of the device???
I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began
inquiring among them. One thing became immediately
evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your
neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior.
Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential.
In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End
Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced
me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom
even have Ph.D.s in psychology.
This was not such a delight as it appeared that none
of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus
or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it
seemed as though they knew very little about the laws
of behavior at all!
Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their
major stock in trade.
Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com
you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's
last student.
Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive
dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender
loving care is at the root of the scientific management
of doggies.
Pavlov told us so 100 years ago.
So what are these degreed morons doing punishing
dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If
you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE
RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland
and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS.
Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter
to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior
of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the
animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?);
2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?)
and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is
the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who is the
animal?).
The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight species,
totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been conditioned, and
we have dared to tackle such unlikely
subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises,
and whales. "
Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but
he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals,
they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly
and immediately to love and tender loving care.
Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
Who's Who Honoree since 1983
----------------------------
http://www.belfield.com/article5.html
Canine Hip Dysplasia (CHD), a crippling disease of the coxofemoral
joint (hip), was first observed and reported in 1945 by the late Dr.
Gary Schnelle. Dr. Schnelle was the staff radiologist at Angels
Memorial Hospital at Boston, Massachusetts and reported his
observations in The North American Veterinarian Journal and termed the
condition "Congenital Coxofemoral Subluxation". Though "congenital", by
definition, means "existing at birth but not hereditary", Schnelle
theorized the cause to be a recessive gene. Today, this condition is
associated with the large breeds of canines, however Schnelle's initial
observations were in the smaller breeds i.e., cocker spaniels,
terriers, etc..
During the 1960's, Dr. Wayne Riser, a veterinary pathologist,
collaborated with a geneticist and postulated the concept that CHD was
"polygenetic with environmental overtones" and during this time frame,
the term "Canine Hip Dysplasia" was born. There has been a string of
professionals who have perpetuated the heredity theory even until the
present. We have been encouraged to breed selectively, alter, and in
some cases, euthanize the afflicted canines. This is what the
veterinary experts have been insisting the dog breeders and fanciers do
to prevent CHD for the past fifty-two years. Is it possible we have
been on the wrong track for more than a half century? One authority, of
a veterinary teaching institution in a personal correspondence to the
author, admitted the "experts" have failed to solve the CHD problem.
In 1976, The author published his observations ("Chronic Subclinical
Scurvy and Canine Hip Dysplasia") in his small animal practice through
the administration of vitamin C to prevent CHD. Whether this concept
has been accepted or not it has sparked controversy, and has some
veterinarians reassessing the archaic heredity theory. There are two
unanswered relevant questions the "experts" have failed to answer to
prove the heredity theory.
1. What is the action of the gene/genes, how do they create the
disease?
2. How does the veterinary practitioner differentiate between a hip
subluxation due to trauma (injury) from true CHD?
Since the mid 1970's, the author has been successful in preventing CHD
through the administration of nutritional supplements to the pregnant
female and within hours of birth to the newborn.
As earlier presented, the first canines observed with CHD were the
smaller breeds; yet today the larger canines are most affected. The
reason for this phenomenon is that the present day dog food is
considerably more nutritious than that being fed in the 1940's, i.e.,
more attention is now being given to nutritional requirements. The
requirements that have been established over the past four decades have
eliminated the CHD problem in the smaller breeds but these requirements
are not adequate for the large and giant breeds. One cannot expect the
nutritional requirements for a Chihuahua be the same for that of a
Great Dane. When these large and giant breeds of canines are adequately
subsidized through nutritional supplementation, the condition is
prevented.
CHD must be more specifically defined. At the present, any abnormality
in the coxofemoral joint is considered hip dysplasia. The first
photograph shows a dog who was diagnosed with unilateral dysplasia. No
consideration was given to the history of this patient. The fact of the
matter is, this subluxation was due to a falling bail of hay impacting
the right pelvic region. Bitches often sit on their new born causing
subluxations which are not manifested for some weeks later when the
pups begin to walk. For this reason the author, in his practice, does
not diagnose or recognize "unilateral" hip dysplasia.
The second photograph is without a doubt CHD. Both hips are subluxated
with accompanying osteoarthritis. The problem of CHD is directly
associated with collagen synthesis. Inadequate collagen synthesis will
adversely affect osteogenesis (development and formation of bone),
chondrogenesis (development and formation of cartilage), and myogenesis
(develop and formation of muscle). These three physiological processes
are dependent on good collagen synthesis which is dependent on good
nutrition.
Research biochemists, during the 90's, have established the involvement
of good nutrition for good collagen synthesis. This supports the
author's concept set forth in 1976 that CHD is nutritionally related
rather than hereditary. If it can be established that these alleged
genes, in fact, inhibit bone, cartilage, and muscle formation, then it
would be possible to control dysplasia through nutritional
supplementation. Some genetic tendencies can be overridden by other
factors, such as nutritional supplementation. The bottom line is, if
CHD can be prevented be it hereditary or nutritional there is more to
gain than to lose with the nutritional concept.
The author has developed a nutritional protocol for the prevention and
control of CHD. The protocol begins with the pregnant bitch. To ensure
a healthy pregnancy, the female is administered Mega C Plus. This
supplement will aid in the maintenance of a good pregnancy and a
healthy litter. This vitamin/mineral compound will enhance immune
function and most importantly, aid in the synthesis of collagen while
the pups are developing in utero. After the birth of the litter, Mega C
Drops (pediatric formula) is administered to each pup within two hours
and is continued through weaning. Mega C Drops is a formula containing
hydrolyzed protein (collagen), vitamin C as sodium ascorbate, plus
other essential nutrients that enhances collagen synthesis. Post
weaning, the pups are placed on a Mega C Plus regimen through two years
of age.
The author discusses CHD, at the cell level, in the forthcoming
textbook "Complementary and Alternative Veterinary Medicine: Practices
and Principle" published by Mosby. There has been extensive research in
recent years concerning collagen synthesis by many renown biochemists
that supports the author's nutritional concept. This new textbook is
targeting veterinary practitioners and educators and will be available
September, 1997.
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> Pan (female Great Dane, 113 lbs, 4 1/2 years old)
> was diagnosed with bilateral CHD and juvenile arthritis
> around age one.
That was PREDICTABLE, suja. Those conditions are
PRECIPITATED by STRESS and POOR DIET:
by Sylvia Hammarstrom
The following article has been provided by the above author.
All copy rights are held by the author and any reproduction
of this material in whole or in part must have the authors
approval.
As you probably know by now, I 'm a great believer in
nutrition, "YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT". I feel strongly that a
good natural diet will prevent many health problems later
in your dogs life, eg; skin problems, cancer, arthritis,
and most important HIP DYSPLASIA.
Hip dysplasia is actually a form of arthritis of the
hipbones, which is often discovered as loose joints shown
in an X-ray.
I have raised dogs here at SKANSEN KENNEL for 25 plus
years. I have raised several working breeds like the German
Shepherd and Rottweilers, as well as the Schnauzers. In all
of these years, It have NEVER raised a clinically dysplastic
dog . I 'm quite sure the general public would have a difficult
time believing this.
Statistically, I certainly should have ended up with at least
one or two out of the hundreds of dogs that I have raised.
The fact is, I never have and have often wondered why I was
so lucky, or what factor was present for me that wasn't there
for other people .
I have finally come to the conclusion that HIP DYSPLASIA
simply is a lack of VITAMIN C in your dogs diet. Almost all
dogs in the U. S . are raised on commercial dog food- with
no NATURAL VITAMIN C.
True, the manufacturers add ascorbic acid, but this chemical
form of Vitamin C just isn't good enough. Your dog MUST get
Vitamin C in his diet on a daily basis from a natural source,
like fresh vegetables or RAW MILK or Vitamin C made from a
VEGETABLE SOURCE"
Here's another EXXXCELLENT study on dysplasia
and vitamin C: http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm
> She has since been on Glucosamine.
Yeah, I had EXXXCELLENT results using Glucosamine
and Condroitin with an older dog who suffered an
injury. Took just a few days to see a REMARKABLE
improvement. LikeWIZE vitamin C may have an anti
inflamatory effect and could possibly CURE or
PREVENT dysplasia which is similar to SCURVEY:
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/health/packer/antioxidants.html
Does your daily food supplement contain 50 mg of lipoic acid?
Mine does. Did I even know that name until recently? No. So
what's the big deal with antioxidants?
My wife has been taking antioxidants, which I had understood
were some kind of immunity booster. I took vitamins and minerals
and didn't get sick much, so I figured my immunity was okay.
Recently I've read a book which has changed my life by
summarizing the vast amount of research which has been
done in the past few decades on antioxidants and their
role in preventing degenerative diseases.
If you read the Antioxidant Miracle you won't be without
antioxidants afterward. Dr. Lester Packer is perhaps the
world's leading authority on antioxidants, having pioneered
much of the research himself at Packer Lab at U. C. Berkeley
over the last three decades.
The level of research is not mostly anecdotal, like, "I
took vitamin E and my heart didn't hurt as much." Instead,
it is at the high scientific level of being able to induce
heart disease in laboratory animals by simply withholding
vitamin E, and then seeing them improve when it is restored.
There are clinical studies involving thousands of patients,
which provide overwhelming evidence that antioxidants are
major factors in preventing cancer, heart disease, strokes,
Alzheimer's disease, arthritis and a host of others.
How long will it take us to get it? To figure out what we
need to do to be healthy? To discover that major fatal diseases
can be prevented by simple diet and supplements?
The answer is often measured in centuries.
Consider the killer disease scurvy, caused by a lack of vitamin C:
A.D. 1227: Gilbertus de Aguilla advised sailors to bring
ample apples, pears, and lemons to avoid getting scurvy.
A.D. 1500's: World explorers Vasco de Gama and Magellan
reported losing over half their crew to scurvy.
A.D. 1753: British physician James Lind published his
results of testing several supposed cures. He found
that sailors with scurvy who ate two oranges and one
lemon per day were cured in a few days.
A.D. 1795: British Admiralty begins to require sailors
to eat lemons and limes and scurvey ceases to be a problem.
Why did it take 500 years to for sailors to take the advice
seriously to eat citrus fruit? And why 42 years after it was
published by a physician? Probably because it is hard to believe
that such a simple thing as eating an orange can prevent such
a horrible disease.
Why are we so loathe to believe the idea today that so many
of our killers today such as cancer and heart disease can
be prevented by getting enough of the substances found in
fresh fruits and vegetables and other healthy foods?
Perhaps in the past we had the excuse of a lack of evidence,
but today that dodge is no longer an acceptable excuse for
neglecting healthy practices. And Dr. Packer points out that
a healthy diet is not nearly enough, we need to supplement
our modern diets to get the optimum amounts of these antioxidants.
Dr. Packer explains that of the hundreds of known antioxidants
there are five which seem to be the most important, and which
operate as a network, meaning that they help balance and recycle
each other. Cells are essentially filled with water surrounded
by a fatty wall, so both fat and water soluble varieties are
important.
Two of the network antioxidants are water soluble (vitamin C
and glutathione), two are fat soluble (vitamin E and CoQ10),
and one (lipoic acid) is both fat and water soluble. The
importance of this latter team member has only been known in
the last decade. It may be the most important of all and most
daily supplement manufacturers don't even include it.
I have made a table summarizing the main results presented
in The Antioxidant Miracle , including the optimum amounts
recommended by Dr. Packer. It fits well on one page if printed
in landscape mode. There are also links to a few bulleted
charts below which summarize the importance of each of the
network antioxidants and some others.
After reading his book, I went to both grocery and health
food stores and hunted for a supplement that had something
close to all his optimum amounts of antioxidants, as well
as other usual vitamins and minerals. I found none.
It is possible to buy most of them separately, but that
is very expensive and way too hard for me to open all
those bottles twice a day. I found that simply looking
for at least 50 mg of lipoic acid is a good test of the
entire supplement because few companies have kept up
with the most recent research.
The best I've found so far are Life-Pak Prime by Pharmanex,
which is about $70 per month but is guaranteed to be very
high quality, the one by Dr. David Williams which has more
in it for about $55, and one you can get at health stores
called Life Essence for about $30 per month. Find better
if you can, but in any case, if you read his book, you will
build up your antioxidant protection. But if you are taking
prescribed medication, you should check with your doctor
before adding new supplements to your diet to verify compatibility.
Summary Table
Good Quotes
Free Radicals
Antioxidants
Lipoic Acid
Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Coenzyme Q10
Glutathione
Flavonoids
Carotenoids
Selenium
Breakfast At The Puppy Wizard's -
Chez du Chien - Gourmet Recipies
Here's HOWE The Puppy Wizard feeds his dogs:
HOWEDY People,
Unbeknownst to yourselves, this has been a difficult
couple weeks for Your Puppy Wizard. Not to complain,
but he's been necessarily temporarily abandoned by
his Mrs.Puppy Wizard who had to attend to affairs out
of town for nine days.
Left alone, helpless and hapless to cope with domestic
and personal needs, to fend for HISSELF and his pups by
his own devices, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard HOWEver, is
considerate and foresighted enough to prepare His table
before him, in advance, and even calls to remind him to
breath, when necessary.
Your Puppy Wizard requires little from the physical realm,
existing primarily on prahana and nirvana as his staple diet.
HOWEver, HIS puppies unfortunately cannot thrive in the
physical world without the grounding effects of the evils
of wholesome food.
Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares daily, fresh, well balanced
HOWES cooked meals. When Mrs. Puppy Wizard travels
occasionally, she prepares for the days of lean in advance,
by freezing two weeks worth of puppy chow and posting the
culinary instructions on the Puppy Wizard's coffee can, the
only physical need The Puppy Wizard requires, beyond his
internet connection and of course, his Mrs. Puppy Wizard
and puppies. But those are givens, naturally.
Mrs. Puppy Wizard prepares 2 meals a day. The following
recipe is for about a 100 pound dog:
Breakfast is half pound raw ground turkey, green
Source, and 1gram vitamin C, and a *Iams cookie
*(cause she LIKES to).
Dinner is 2 cups cooked rice, a tablespoon of rolled
oats and an ounce of hamburg. When the rice and oats
cool, add half cup pinto or similar beans, ground fine
in the food processor with equal amounts raw collard or
similar greens or your dog's favorite vegetable or cabbage,
a tablespoon or two Olive or Cannola oil, half clove garlic,
mixed with 1/2 pound raw ground turkey, a good vitamin /
mineral supplement (Green Source for People), calcium and
magnesium, 1 gram vitamin C.
Addition of table scraps is encouraged, bear in mind
salt can be dangerous. The Puppy Wizard's diet is
environmentally friendly and will not produce noxious
gasses provided the vegetable and beans are ground
finely and because the Green Source contains digestive
enzmyes.
BONE APETITE!
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
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Sionnach wrote:
> "Borked Pseudo Mailed" <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
> news:d191aa942125f5ee...@pseudo.borked.net...
>
> > Is Jerry Howe
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; ~ ) >
> a fraud
Here's Merriam-Webster:
Main Entry: fraud
Pronunciation: 'frod
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English fraude, from Middle French,
from Latin fraud-, fraus
1 a : DECEIT, TRICKERY; specifically:
intentional perversion of truth in order to induce
another to part with something of value or to surrender
a legal right
b: an act of deceiving or misrepresenting: TRICK
2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends
to be: IMPOSTOR; also : one who defrauds: CHEAT
b : one that is not what it seems or is represented
to be synonym see DECEPTION, IMPOSTURE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER trained a "TRICK" dog.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard has NEVER asked for money, gifts,
donations, or support of ANY kind for TRAINING ANY dog online.
imposture
Main Entry: im·pos·ture
Pronunciation: im-'päs-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin impostura, from Latin impositus,
impostus, past participle of imponere
1 : the act or practice of deceiving by means of an
assumed character or name
2 : an instance of imposture
The Amazing Puppy Wizard IS INDEED, a TRUE WIZARD <{) : ~ ) >
> or is he a real trainer?
Here's The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual:
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Judge for yourself.
> > Can someone answer please?
It's curiHOWES HOWE the original poster is askin LIARS DOG
ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONIC LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES for information and advice.
"Birds of a feather... You're JUDGED BY the company you keep.
When you lie with pigs you'll awaken stinkin like 'em," The Puppy
Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~ ) >
> Facts,
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAAAA!!!
> all of which are a matter of record
UNLESS taken HOWET of context, NUTHIN you sez has ever been TRUE.
> if you feel like wasting your time wading through
> years of USENET posts to prove the obvious:
The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
REPORT CURING ALL temperament and behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY
and FOR FREE, to boot <{); ~ ) >
> He came on the group as a straight spammer/scammer,
Sez you? You're a proven lying dog abusing mental case.
REMEMBER: "The actual quote is misleading when taken
out of context" "I'm not going to rehash the entire series of
posts unless and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
sinofabitch writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> >> posts from two different people,took pieces of
> >> them out of context, cobbled them together, then
> >> added his own words
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> >> and a fake signature.:
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> >> Which is exactly what he did.
> > Here's Jerry's version
> > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
> > Here's yours;
> > "I dropped the leash, threw my
> > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> > grabbed her opposite foot with my
> > left hand, rolled her on her side,
> > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> > nipped her ear.
> > --Sara Sionnach
"When you get BAGGED for LYIN you're MARKED FOR LIFE,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) ; ~ ) >
> trying to sell a fraudulent $100 device
You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL Doggy Do Right (And Kitty
Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo And A Cow And A
Horse Or Two Did TOO) Machine <{) ; ~ ) >
> which he claimed would solve any and all behavioural problems
INDEEDY. It WORKS JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End
Dog Training Method Manual does <{) ; ~ ) >
> if you simply purchased it from him and plugged it in.
That's TRUE. DDR relies on THE SAME SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL
principles methods and philosophies as TAUGHT in your own 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual withHOWET benefit or NEED of HUMAN
INTERVENTION:
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6786-3C0...@storefull-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read! Course my little
gray box seems to be working... Buddy stopped biting the baby! No
negative side-effects seen occurring...not to the bird, the other
bird or Zelda.
~misty
"Katra" <K...@centurytel.net wrote
Ok, so I care for an unusually large number of cats...
And when you have this many, there are behavior
problems. Not due to crowding, but some cats are
territorial by nature.
I checked out Jerry's site and found the science behind
the BIOSOUND box to be sound. (no pun intended <G)
I am familiar with the concept of using sound therapy
from my studies on deep meditation and had experimented
with it already.
So, I bought one.
Results?
The cats now sleep thru the night instead
of spatting at 3 a.m.
Taz, my brain damaged kitty, no longer wanders up the
hall in the middle of the night, yowling when he gets "lost".
(He's not the brightest bannana in the bunch. ;-) )
He's been sleeping quietly at my feet now for the past 3
nights I left the box running. He suffered a severe head
injury as a kitten when he got hit by a car. That is how I
got him. I picked him up out of the middle of the highway. :-(
Thank the gods for good vets...
Feeding frenzy time, when I dole out the canned food,
used to be fraught with the more dominant kitties hissing
at the undercats to get the best place at mom's feet. They
always settled down once the food dishes were down, but
now there has been NO fighting!
They have been more obedient about staying off the
sink and the dining room table, and, whomever it was
that kept pooping in FRONT of the litter box on the floor
has quit!
Yay! I never did catch who was doing it.
Overall, much calmer behavior from the cats.
As for the dogs, the jury is still out on them. The
shelties seem unaffected but it's impossible to
tell with them as they were already calm, sedate,
obedient and well trained dogs.
With hyper Jewely, well, tonight she did not try to jump
on me when I let her out of the bedroom to go potty, and
she calmly sat at the door waiting to be let out instead of
getting all anxious. I have not really tried serious training
with her indoors near the box yet, except once, but not for
long enough to see if it'd really work.
Since some of the usual training methods are not working
with her on the jumping problem, I plan to give Jerry's method
a fair shake. The one time I tried it, yeah, she piddled, but I
think that's because I did not do it right. I spoke with Jerry
further by e-mail and I was not supposed to jump straight in
to working on a specific behavior problem. I need to to the
pre-training excercizes first!
I'll post later on the results when I have more time
to really concentrate on working with her near the box.
In the meantime, the box DOES seem to calm the
animals and make it easier to work with them. The
results alone on the cats have made it worth every
penny. And if it can increase Jewely's attention span........
;-)
Leah might want to try one on Maddie? <shrugs
He may be hostile on the list, but he IS honest and
honors his money back guarantees, so you won't be
out anything if you just decide to try it like I did!
Katra
=============================
From: 2tails (wagginta...@hotmail.com)
Subject: My Experience with the Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will Too)
Date: 2001-07-04 20:45:19 PST
After using Jerry's training manual, I became curious about the
Doggy Do Right (DDR) machine, and a few weeks ago I received one.
I thought the group might be interested in some things I've noticed
since using it. (This is a bit of an understatement as I certainly
expect a flurry of responses... most of them will probably be nasty.
But we'll see.)
Anyway, at first I would leave it on only when I left the house, but
one
day I forgot and left it on all night. My dogs used to wake me up
between 8 and 8:30 a.m. The morning after I left it on all night, they
slept until 9:30 a.m. At first I wondered why they had slept in so
late, and then I noticed that the DDR was on.
(And no, I'm not an early riser.) :-)
Now they consistently sleep until 9:30 or 10:00 a.m., unless I wake
them
up earlier. One night the power went out, and the DDR was switched
off. They woke me around 8:30 that day.
The second thing was something my husband noticed. If the light on the
DDR is flashing, it is in "rest" mode... when it's solid, it is playing
the program. He came home, the dogs were doing their usual growl and
"bitey face" rowdiness... when the machine's light became solid
(programon), they laid down in the same room with the machine.
Pepper even laid on her side and started taking a little nap.
Often, I will see the dogs in the room with the DDR when the program is
playing, usually around their nap time. That is, they will nap in the
same room as the machine and not in other areas of the house... even
though their "preferred" sleeping spot at other times seems to be my
bed.
The last two things I've noticed have been with my 7 yr old Dalmatian,
Beau. He is normally terrified of thunderstorms, so much that he will
try to crawl into my lap, or he will shake and shed hair everywhere.
(Shedding hair is a symptom of stress I suppose... he does the same
thing at the vet's.)
On Sunday, we had a really severe thunderstorm, with hail, etc. When
the storm began, I turned the machine to play mode. He laid on the
floor next to where I was sitting. He still didn't want to let me get
out of his sight, but his behavior was much improved from earlier
episodes.
The last thing has to do with Beau and the vacuum cleaner. The surest
way for me to clear him out of a room used to be for me to start
vacuuming. He'd race into another room and hide. Now, he will stay in
the same room. He's still wary of it, and leaves his "escape route"
open, but he will stay in the same room while I'm using it, something
he's never done before.
I've done no training to address these issues, but since using the
DDR for approximately three weeks, these are some of the calmer
behaviors that I've noticed.
As I said, I'm sure this will create a storm. May I say in advance,
that only polite posts will be considered for a response by me.
Regards, Lisa
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"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21047-3CA...@storefull-2291.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was stressed
out by
my then just learning to walk baby.
Buddy was screaming day and night..lunging at Joey whenever he
crawled
up to Buddy's cage and nipping the baby ( if Buddy wanted to his
beak
is powerful enough to sever an adult's finger in one snap!)
At first we noticed nothing... after a few days ..nothing..nothing
except quiet :-)
That's not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he'a a 'Too.. but
the
late night scream-a-thons ended.
He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh> just what
I
want...2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in his water until
there's
more water on the floor and walls than in his dish :-)
Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons... for a few days
each time. It takes that long for me to realize the DDR is
unplugged:-O
Once cos DH did some maintenance and forgot to plug it back in (
of
course he remembered to plug the washing machine back in ;-P)
The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping...and forgot to
plug it back in...
We sure enjoy him being such a good bird! He's been so loving to
everyone... my older 2 boys love being able to give him scritches
again.
~misty
(No, Jerry, you can't have the DDR back just yet! :-)
===================
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1199-3BD...@storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I have a very
loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8
month old son.
Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage as a hold on
for dear life object.
Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older two boys
went through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his own
room and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey has been driving
him nuts! He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming. A
cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the widows
shut <g> being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves
crawl.
Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on how to use it.
He answered my questions quite politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~
teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior. Then I realized
after a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end. This isn't
to say he stopped completely <bg> he still demands his share of all
meals. But he doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when he wants
_everyone_ to go to bed.
Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My nerves were
frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry's instructions.
I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back on and left it on
the lowest setting. Buddy calmed back down and quit screaming.
In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot of c*ts come to my
house. One I adopted and he's quite the sweetie. He's a yellow tiger
named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids
and Zelda.
I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the
methods he shares. Being on a limited budget I like things that are
free. I also like the fact that I can e-mail him and get advice
whenever
I need it.
Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the DDR is
working. ( He went to Devry and has a degree in electronics, knows
alot about radios and anything mechanical... he's a jack of all trades
around the house <g>). He does NDT for a living.
We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as Joey is walking,
Buddy will realize that he's not a strange animal.. some kind of
furless dog or c*t <bg>.
So, yes, there are some of us out here who do appreciate Jerry's
methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars". Honey, flies
that sort of thing....
~misty
===============
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue,
Animal Commisioner Brevard County, FL, writes:
Hi Jerry,
I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.
Sorry I didn't have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot
going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task
Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal
abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and
time was just not available for anything else.
Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried
to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has
asked for although he has yet to furnish the P.O. Box number that
he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that
I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in
answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you
which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only
had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider
"public information."
Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission
to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this
email.
I'm very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation
from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his
reward offer in the first place.
I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I
have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR
down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic
vet that I go to and he is also interested.
In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I
do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped
my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his
opinions or reward.
The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your
behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with
aggression and other behavior problems.
I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100
feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog
obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of
Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of
Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from
AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of
animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.).
I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I
am involved with animals and have very little time to play games
with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not
believe in it.
Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as
did Mark Shaw's last email to me.
Take care Jerry and don't let the Mark's of the world get you down.
Elaine
Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark's of this
world, with some occasional successes. I guess that's variable
reinforcement?
Yours, Jerry.
Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue writes: Sep 9,
2000
"I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and
the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does
indeed exist.
I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing
aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,
but our cats and even us.
She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him
to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any
aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression
towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.
It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed
before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets
to euthanize her.
I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it
has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a
valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior
problems.
I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately
100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC
dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,
president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for
Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county
commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat
club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,
director of two different shelters, etc.).
Thanks, Elaine,
Hi Jerry,
I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since
borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very
highly of it.
So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I
wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every
one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few
hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no
comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,
I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really
going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.
So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just
how many were asleep already - with their feet in the air! I
started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the
morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly
to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.
I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday
Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I
wasn't so sure about the amount of the day time effect.
Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had
resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine's house
and if she would notice :)
I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues
Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God
bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I
also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and
she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly
meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.
So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way
about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate
it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but
don't know if that is advised, even with my situation of so
many new ones coming and (too few) going.
Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I
think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must
help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices
homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I
would think it would be right up her alley.
Thank you.
Desiree M Webber
A New Leash On Life
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Dear Jerry-
I just wanted to let you know how wonderful your Doggy Do
Right product is. I was skeptical at first, but have been
tremendously pleased.
As you know, we had a neighbor's dog that was extremely
bothersome, at times barking loudly for 3 hours straight.
Within a few days, the barking decreased, and now it is just
the occasional bark. this dog lives approximately 500 feet
away, and even at that distance, the machine has done wonders.
You were always available and patient to answer my
questions, and now I can be in my own home without going
nuts from the barking. As an added pleasure, all the other
minor barking nuisances in the neighborhood have stopped
as well.
Quiet is wonderful! Thank you.
Pam Graves
----------------
Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe
I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed
attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment
and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and
strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older
couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry
Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him
personally work with Chelsea.
His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After
Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture,
ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash.
She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long
story and I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it
to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us.
Marge Hoffman. (REWARD PAID BY DW.)
P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my DDR!
-----------------
From: Ama...@DCFWatch.com (Ama...@dcfwatch.com)
Subject: Can we get specific about doggydoright without rancor?
Date: 2003-01-13 08:00:29 PST
"Donna" <raindancer...@SPAMBLOCKyahoo.com> wrote in message
<news:MuwU9.10110$R16....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...
> Just a question... Got Jerry on kill-file too, but what is this
> "doggiedoright" thing??? Donna
It's a smallish box with ac adapter. It emits a "song". A sound
unheard by the tympanic membrane. It regulates brain waves
and calms the subject down. I got mine yesterday.
I have two pitties, my neighbor on one side has an infant pitty
and the other neighbor on my left has a pitty mix, greyhound
and pig. Her dogs bark CONSTANTLY!
All hours of the night.. she lets em out for last call around 1am.
We put ours on our kicthen window sill so the animals outside
and inside can hear it. Anyway.. for the first time my dogs slept
peacefully.
I also did some training with jerry and hise wife yesterday,
between that and the machine my dogs ignored the dogs barking.
A mere quiet growl from my oldest dog, a good girl good job! and
she went back to sleep.. an abolsolute first in this house.
My nieghbors dogs continued barking.. the machine was
not set to play.. so i reset it.. and they shut right up.
The whole nieghborhood was quiet for the first time.
Neighbors dogs are still behaving today.
I will be loaning it to my father in two weeks, once my dogs
remember the "song" and can learn to replay it to themselves
to calm themselves down, for his cockatiel who is home alone
alot.. and very bitchy.
I will also be buying one for my mom for her feuding kitty cats.
And finally I will be buying one for my friend who has two dogs
and a child with major seizure problems. I think this device will
help her daughters seizures since it controls and regulates brain
waves.
Since i'm not rich.. and these machines are $135 with shipping ...
when i say I am planning on buying three of them for friends.. you
know it works. I could always let them borrow it for free.. but
this machine is so kickass.. they need their own so their
neighbors dogs can be happy too.
================
And here's my machine curing seizures:
Jerry says:
howe's the baby's seizures?
parentadlitem says:
better
Jerry says:
got any idea how much better?
parentadlitem says:
not really
parentadlitem says:
she doesn't do em here that i see
Jerry says:
amazing
Jerry says:
when's the last time she seized with you?
parentadlitem says:
weeks ago?
Jerry says:
but before the machine it was daily?
parentadlitem says:
every minute!
Jerry says:
does her mom use it at her howes?
parentadlitem says:
yup
parentadlitem says:
i yelled at her about it
Jerry says:
ask her when's the last time she saw a seizure for me
parentadlitem says:
k . she's sleepin now, ill talk to her tonight, she's comin over
Jerry says:
yeah... that's pretty good stuff
parentadlitem says:
yup
parentadlitem says:
i love mine
parentadlitem says:
no barkin the nieghborhood at all anymore
parentadlitem says:
ever
Jerry says:
right
parentadlitem says:
once in a blue moon some distant dog will bark
parentadlitem says:
but all the neighbors dogs are quiet
Jerry says:
when you hear that distant dog throw the machin on
parentadlitem says:
we do
parentadlitem says:
it's really rare though
=================
There's LOTS more where those came from and there's
NO NEED for The Amazing Puppy Wizard to CITE them ALL.
The FACTS ARE, DDR and WEDTM INDEPENDENTLY and
SCIENTIFICALLY PROVE EACH OTHER <{) ; ~ ) >
> He only started giving advice and offering his "manual" after
> group members complained to his ISPs about his spamming.
That's a lie. The Amazing Puppy Wizard offered HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual at the same time.
> It was later discovered that there was a web site peddling
> such a device as a "get rich quick" scheme, and suggesting
> that sellers offer a link to a "free manual" to get people
> to their sales site.
Here's The Amazing Puppy Wizard's former / current
http://www.doggydoright.com websites courtesy of
Wayback.com, TWICE AS MUCH and FOR FREE, to boot!:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E5662294B
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V2766294B
Be sure to take a peek at BOTH websites, but
this link is the latest copy of my manual:
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<{#}: ~ } > http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u < { ~ :{@}>
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> Nobody has ever found any independent evidence that he trains dogs,
THAT'S INSANE!:
"Leprechaun" <Leprech...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:m01Hc.20882$uK.1...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> Jerry believes he's a dog trainer.
Fortunately, I happen to believe he is too.
I took a rescued three year old beagle that
had been kept outside all of its life that didn't
even recognize or respond to its name to
Jerry's home (That ugly cinder block shack???
get real) and in just over one hour of working
with the dog, he was coming on command
(not a quickly as he does now, but still...) and
walking with us on a loose lead.
His "hot/cold" exercise and "come when called"
command and pack exercise WORK!
> and in all likelihood he's never even been near a dog.
Well, he's been near mine, and done wonders for him.
You don't have to like him. You don't have
to agree with his methods, but as far as I
am concerned, I've never seen any other
training approach that was as fast and easy.
<<<< Rest of original post deleted >>>>
Ron Flanagan
Orlando, Florida
-----------------------
"My grandchildren will never ever.. ever.. feel
shame or feel like they're not loved :)." Amanda.
From: Amanda [mailto: ama...@dcfwatch.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 7:14 PM Subject:
Re: Discipline
On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote:
funny you bring this up... i met the most wonderful couple..
man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life who uses a
technique that is ONLY praise and distraction with some family
pack exercises.
They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my two pits...
one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old female who is my
bubby :) and our 7 week male pup. anyway.. not only did i nip
any and all aggression issues in mere minutes...
he and his wife helped me with my kids.
I was and always have been a spanker. It is all i knew how.. i
never, ever wanted to be.. but i was. my house/kids were out of
control.. i was always stressed.
Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a HUGE change...
for the first time the kids didn't destroy my house before i woke
up... my 3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake up...
this is the first time she ever used paper :) she usually does
walls, furniture.
Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works. I have a
6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child :) and a very bad-a$$ 19 month old.
They are all smarter than I am and know it :) There has not been a
temper tantrum in two days in my house.
You guys have no idea how great this is. But best of all.. this
method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of that is in any way
short of absolute praise.. no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!..
nada..
ONLY praise.
They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say so..
(my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for candy..
it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and now the bag
of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet (where we keep
the girl's dresses) is still there and NO ONE has eaten one!
My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby took my
lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up! first time!
They don't even go out the open door without my offering it!
they helped me sort laundry.. clean the living room... im amazed.
The 3 yo got some yogurt from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen
table, sat down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table and eat!
We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so when they're
climbing on my couch.. i go Can you show me how you sit pretty??
and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT
on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost fell over..
thanks for reminding me to share my joy! I'm not a spanker! I don't
even yell! lol! here i picked names that shout well and i don't need
em!!!
Amanda.
lyingdogDUMMY wrote:
> Well, the newest shill on the scene must be Michael,
> because Jerry couldn't possibly spell "literalists."
Your reply doesn't even pertain to the subject...
Why don't we discuss why you feel you need hurt
animals to "train" them?
I've actually met TPW. I called him a few times with
questions about the training method, and he realized
that there were some underlying problems. Axel (my dog)
had a special situation. So, TPW met with us in our home.
The first thing he noticed was that Axel's collar was too tight.
We loosened it, and immediately Axel calmed down quite a bit.
We went outside and worked on the HOT AND COLD
HANDLING EXERCISE and THE FAMILY PACK
LEADERSHIP EXERCIZE. That seemed to get us
headed in the right direction, but we were still having
a few problems with Axel's anxiety.
The main reason TPW visited our home - I found this
our recently during one of our conversations- was to
see how my husband and I interacted with one another.
I had been following the methods precisely, but Axel
was still having difficulty.
TPW's assumptions were correct - we were causing
alot of Axel's anxiety with our arguments and tension.
TPW told me that Axel has been one of his most difficult
dogs to work with.
Axel had his anxieties from mishandling and
from my husband and myself.
We had a few problems because I was unwilling to
accept the fact that I needed to be "nice" eventhough
I wasn't being treated "nicely", but once I realized that
was the only way I could really get Axel past his anxiety,
I worked on being a loving wife (eventhough I didn't really
want to be).
AND GUESS WHAT? My husband saw the difference,
and he followed suit. Now, we have a stress free dog,
and a good marriage.
Can you tell me how forcing someone (dog, person, cat)
to do what YOU want them to do, is going to improve a
situation? I tried that with my husband and with my dog,
and it didn't work with either of them.
Your methods have an 85% success rate - and my
dog was one of the 15% that doesn't accept your methods.
TPW has 100% success rate. You do the math.
If TPW hadn't helped us, Axel wouldn't be where he is today.
============================
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com):
I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.
I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.
I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.
My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.
For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!
I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.
Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.
For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.
We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.
So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.
It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.
AIMEE
From: AIMEE (countrygirl0...@yahoo.com)
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST
I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.
I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".
Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).
The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".
That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.
After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.
When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".
This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...
Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.
Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.
AIMEE
===================
> or works with dog owners in RL.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard DON'T NEED to "WORK" with dog
owners "IN REAL LIFE." All you gotta do is STUDY The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard TRAINS dog owners from ALL OVER the
WHOWEL WILD WORLD from settin right here, stark ravin nekkid:
From: misty (Momi...@webtv.net)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Date: 2002-01-23 07:46:16 PST
Beth wrote:
>So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home
were: build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan
on putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv.. at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning
anything. At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had
already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is
mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days. I
stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated that
his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in
my e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff
on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on
Zelda. It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose
another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little
kids. I and my boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look
to see if she came home when we get back from trips. Maybe
Peach would still have ran away... I don't know and never
will....
~misty
From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:02:57 -0400
Subject: Play Misty For Me
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16990-3C...@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I don'tk now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here
with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I
was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could
have
any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started
using
it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I
started using the e-fence...well, then my concern became how to keep
them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock
debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits
End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up
stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great
companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
=====================
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6946-3B6...@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.ne
We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
come back in the yard and would run for days. The
last time, Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
yard.
nShe no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty
> A few people have posted to the group making such
> claims, but no outside evidence has ever been found.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."
<drv...@mindspring.com>
To: <pdd-aspy...@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?
How does diagnosis shape treatment?
Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.
His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).
Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.
Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.
Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.
You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".
Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.
Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.
I took dinner last night with a 40ish young man (PK) whose
parents I met when he was 4. The very first night I asked
his mother about the boy, talk about HYPER! PK was ZOOOM!
I had to put a malpractice threat gun to the head of his
pediatrician to get him to try amphetamine 40 years ago.
The father of the boy became furious when the pediatrician
later started shovelling out amphetamine to almost every
little boy whose parents consulted him.
PK is a big successful man, now, and, no surprise, his
son is classically hyper. PK's sister was a gentle angel,
and so is PK's daughter. I am now training the little guy
with a Play Attention helmet, and we are skipping the
amphetamine.
However, I do think if PK showed up at age 4 today, I'd
be grateful my pediatric neighbor has his prescription
pad even though we would quickly train him and dispense
with the amphetamine within 20 sessions or so.
My fourth over neighbor has a boy who could be PK's twin.
However, if we had given him amphetamine, despite his
raging hyperactivity, we would have harmed him markedly. His
diagnosis is mild Asperger's syndrome, it was autism, and all
we did with him was EEG BF (Mom was firmly opposed to all
drugs).
Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history,
and the nature of he disorder.
Dr. Von
PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's
work, ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net
----------------------------------
> Over the years, he's been caught out on numerous occasions
> posting under false names, pretending to be people whom he
> has helped.
CITES PLEASE?
> Most notable was the occasion when he started
> a post pretending to be a woman named Barbara,
You mean The Mrs. Amazing Puppy Wizard. That was a post
to an English Mastiff owner whom The Amazing Puppy Wizard
asked HIS Mrs. to reply to on accHOWENT of that's HOWER breed.
> but forgot what he was doing halfway through and signed it as himself.
You mean as The "NON EXXXISTENT" Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >
> It hasn't happened recently,
INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Mrs. hasn't got any
interest in heelpin LYING DOG AUBSING MENTAL CASES.
> most likely because there are a number of tools on the
> web now which make it easier to make untraceable posts.
THAT'S INSANE.
> He's on record as saying that he doesn't currently own any dogs
CITES PLEASE?
> and doesn't like them.
BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
Here's YOU and your PERSONAL REAL LIFE PAL who COULDN'T
HOWEsbreak Nessa's dogs but DID TRAIN them to TURN ON HER.
REMEMBER?:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with
> > >it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
"I'm not going to rehash the entire series of posts unless
and "Only if it's taken completely out of context. <G>"
> He's also on record talking about the medications he's taking for
> mental illness. (This was in early days, when he was relatively lucid.)
CITES PLEASE? The Amazing Puppy Wizard JUST SEZ "NO!" to
psychotropic anti psychotic medications <{) ; ~ ) >
> He used to claim that his training methods caused dogs to
> spike extremely high fevers and get explosive diarrhea; he
> made this claim over a period of a year or more.
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Misty???? - Care to quote the abuse in McProtection?
Hello marybeth,
"MaryBeth" <marbe...@home.com> wrote in message
news:BxxY6.30977$Zt6.14...@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com...
> "Check its temperature with a rectal thermometer as soon as you
> finish the run. Dogs routinely have temperatures of 103 to 106
> degrees F while running, so don't be surprised by this (normal is
> 101 to 102 degrees F)."
>
> Do note, when all of this started we asked for about a year or so,
> how he achieved this whole S & S, and he never told us about how
> he took the temp,
So what? You never pointed out the abusive parts of my Mc Protection
Training Method
> with diarrhea running from the dogs' bums,
Sounds like you're in your element, marybeth.
> or if/when he took it.
What difference does it make? The whole discussion came up over your
pal lying"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn saying she didin't see HOWE I could
train protection dogs without flanking or switching or beating them
to PROOF them for protection work.
REMEMBER?
> Two minutes into the exercise, where he claims they have loose
> bowels, and spike up there to 106??
That's the way it is if you know what you're doing.
> Or even if he checked them after the 8 minutes they were up there.
Back in your element again, mb?
> A VERY long time to have such a highly elevated temp.
What are you talking about, mb? You're a liar. You defend hurting
dogs to train them, and you think this is something that shows I'm
vicious, and that someHOWE mitigates YOU and your THUG pals?
Get the heel outta here. You're beating a dead horse, mb. You and
your pals are proven, lying, dog abusing Thugs, and that's the end
of the story.
> Note, NOT building up thru strenuous exercise but by the
> owners always being totally nice to the dogs, NEVER exposing
> them to ANY threats. How deluded can one be??? <sheesh> No
> matter how much you can try, unless you isolate the dog from all
> other dogs and any ppl, you will NEVER achieve this desired trait...
> a totally pampered, non-threatened dog, to start out with.
Sorry mb. You're a mental case.
> From this site, *I* got:
A lot of stuff having nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
> There has been no answer as to how howdy knows the temps,
> he has never told us when and if he takes them,
IOW, you don't have enough information to base an opinion. Like your
pal amy dahl did when she proved my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will
Too) is a scam because it cannot attain the range that it does.
She'd finished. And so are you and the rest of our Thugs, mb. The
party is over. Go home.
> during his 'training' (abusive) method.
Care to quote the abuse in McProtection? THERE ISNT'T ANY. Your pal
amy dahl ties a retriever dog to a tree and throws a retrieve
article out of his reach and BEATS HIM to make him REALLY DIG IN,
and you think that's FINE.
> He tells us he gets the dogs worked up in the first two minutes of
> this 'training',
That's the idea of aggitation, mb. Isn't it? Your pals HURT dogs to
do that. Ask freaky frantik fraud die. Or ask lying"I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn. Ask them what's flanking mean.
> and the dog has explosive diarrhea,
You're in your element again, huh.
> so exactly when and how does he take the temp??
Seems to me you don't have any argument at all mb.
> He never tells.
Right, I never discussed it until karibear finally asked about it.
There's no point in discussing training with you or cindymooreon,
you bums hurt dogs to train them. karibear is NICE.
> (Until perhaps now, he'll go find something on the web to 'back him up',
Sorry mb. Jerry don't do that, remember? Jerry don't give a damn
about your experts. Jerry don't need no back up. Jerry is the expert
here, and it's your experts who had better get back up from Jerry
proving them to be lying, dog abusing Thugs. OH! Silly me! That's
what you do here. You lie for your pals cindy and amy.
> which as any of these sites have been shown NOT to apply to
> him and his training at all.)
Well, that's up to you. I don't care to read the information, I know
what I'm doing because this has been my business for thirty eight
years.
> So, if he doesn't take the temp, because of the diarrhea, then how
> does he know the temps aren't *higher*, causing all these other
> body function breakdowns,
My working dogs are not breaking down, mb. YOU are. You and your
pals are going out of your minds trying to prove me wrong, and you
know what? You're INSANE. You've been JERRYIZED, like dogman and
karen and lying"I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and freaky frantik fraud die.
Bye mb. Time to find someplace else to be.
> that we've all been at him about? How does he know when the
> temps go down?
What a stupid argument, like Patch's 150' long line. You're nuts.
> Again, all of this is a GREAT lesson for all new owners, and yet,
> at the same time, it goes to show, (as in ALL of these criteria the
> dogs are *strenuously exercised*,
Oh, you want to know why I don't need strenuous exercise?
> not just pampered then shocked by an 'attack' on their
> owner <SIGH>),
Sigh.
> that howdy can NOT show how he achieves his alleged temps and
> other heinous abuse.
Gee, and you can't show any abuse in my Mc Protection method, can
you. But your pals lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and freaky frantik
fraud die both BEAT their dogs to turn them on...
Now, the only question is, do their dogs get an increase in
temperature after a few minutes of being beaten like amys' retreiver
dogs tied to the tree? Do you think if we took their temperatures
there would be an increase?
I doubt it. Not for pain, marybeth. It's a different sort of emotion.
My dogs don't fear pain because they don't know it.
My Mc Protection triggers Survival Instinct, not pain. j;~}
Misty wrote:
"Studies from the Sports MEdicine center at Auburn indicate that
the temperature of a working Lab routinely rises to 106 in the
course of about ten minutes' work. The dog then needs to cool
off as sustained high temperature can be dangerous."
Amy Dahl <a...@oakhillkennel.com> wrote:
There are some interesting studies of body temperature.
A working Lab's body temperature apparently goes up to
about 106 within the first ten minutes of work.
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 07:52:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Where's marybeth?
Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without
physical contact and she does seem to listen
better than when I would praise with it. I agree
that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from
her since I started the Witts End.
"MaryBeth" <marbe...@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:3cfcdcfb$2...@news.teranews.com...
> "MaryBeth" <marbe...@NOSPAMcomcast.net>
> wrote in message
> Didja also see that he has 'morphed' into Valerie M. Holmes ?????
> Note: I am not saying there isn't a VALID Valerie
> M. Holmes, but this one lives in howdy's home.
> MB <G>
From: Seeing Spots \(Val\) (Holme...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: Dear Wits End
Date: 2002-06-04 18:19:07 PST
HEY!!!
There is a Valid Valerie with a REAL Dalmatian
who is a real sweet dog with a few issues that I
am working to resolve after adopting her from a
shelter she spent 2 years in.
All I want is to get some decent help for my dog.
There is some decent stuff in Jerry's manual.
My dog has ACTUALLY been responding to
her training. The deal is you have to separate
your opinions and impressions from the guy
who is writing these posts and take from the
manual what you want.
Personally, I get a pretty good chuckle out
of the whole Jerry thing. I have to say the
guy is pretty clever, you're letting him get
under your skin.
It makes for a very amusing game I think.
I'm sure he would agree, or he wouldn't
be playing everyday.
He also wouldn't be playing if he didn't believe
that his method of training weren't valid.
Perhaps I'll learn from my mistakes, but so far,
using the Wits' End, I have gotten my dalmatian
to listen to me, to look to me for direction, to wait
for me to say when.
I have changed her from an aggressive dog
to one who is willing to please her owner,
willing to listen, willing to assume her role
in the pack.
The real Valerie M. Holmes speaking
P.s. Jerry, don't get any ideas about morphing
into me, ok?
MaryBeth, QUEEN OF THE RPD* MENTALLY
ILL ALLSTARS MENTAL ILLNESS IN RPD*
Mental illness is a public issue in these newsgroups.
People are always running around calling other people
mentally ill and diagnosing their illnesses. I think it's
only fair that we have an accurate list of who is and
who isn't mentally ill, so that we can avoid any
misunderstandings and promote group harmony.
MaryBeth
MVP (most valuable psycho)
Has contributed greatly to the annual profit
results at several large pharmaceutical corps
has taken virtually every mentally ill (crazy)
drug treatment in the book, and then some:
prozac, zoloft, amitryptiline, Buspar, Xanax,
effexor, paxil, HRT, wellbutrin, tranquilizers,
clomid, has suffered from or been:
suicidal, agoraphobic, tidal waves of
PMS, mood swings, turned into a hermit,
bloated, just real angry, hubby afraid of
her, high blood pressure, divorced,
"raving bitch" "zoloft zombie" for four
years, "living through layers and layers
of gauze," chain smoker, buzzing, weight
gain, fatigue, terrible dry mouth, dull
headaches, fuzzy brain, lack of
concentration..etc.
severe depression, severe insomnia, Panic
ALL the time, crying, not sleeping, you
name it...etc...
MaryBeth (on being seriously f'd in the head
aka mentally ill) aka cuckoo! kuckoo! ding! ding! ding!
aka a superpsychotic bitch from hell
"I know for a fact I went thru years of
being overly sensitive, being a b*tch,
being self centered, being self pitying,
you name it, I was a wreck and I ran over
everyone in my path."
"<G> I do know the power of meds,
especially on a long term basis, and it's
not pretty. You become another person, if
it's not the correct med for you.
--All the best,
MaryBeth
"Yup Diane, I am taking Zoloft, and my
Rheumatologist told me that taking
Ultram with it can cause seizures."
"I have all the symptoms.I am suicidal at
times (cyclical) have severe insomnia,
'crawly' skin etc. I have an appt to see
my doc next Friday to test for
menopause."
--MaryBeth
"I noticed that antidepressants cut
libido into the dead zone and I had no
real emotions, like not laughing at funny
stuff, couldn't cry either.....except
about my suicidal thoughts (but at the
time I thought there was no other way out)."
--MaryBeth
"Hi, new to group, just starting Clomid
today. I talked with RE and pharmacist
re: zoloft (50 mg daily) and ineraction
with Clomid.
They reported none. Not sure about the
prozac tho. Gonna poat a new message to
intorduce myself :)"
--MaryBeth <still feeling like herself>
<G>
"I wasted about 10 years of my life, and
lost many many treasured ppl and things.
Please don't do the same.
(((((((SCOUT))))))))))
--MaryBeth
"Slowly but surely my depression got worse
and worse. They put me on meds for it, and
all along kept telling me to wait on the
TKR, as 'it really wasn't that
bad.....yet". HA!" The depression got so
bad, and lots of other
things happened and my ex and I would up
divorced four years after our move. It was
horrible. The hardest thing I have eve
gone thru"
--MaryBeth
> A former regular poster who lived in the same city as he
That'd be leah roberts, ACTIVE ACUTE CHRONICLONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASE and PATHOLOGICAL LIAR:
From: dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah)
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Subject: I Saw A Baby Corgi Butt!!!
Okay, so the owner thought I was nuts. :}
A 9-week old corgi came into the store today. I said,
"I've heard that there's nothing cuter on earth than a
baby corgi butt, so I have to see," and kneeled down to
look at the backside of the pup.
Ohmygoodness!!! That *is* terminally cute!!!
PetsMart Pet Trainer
See My Furry Family At:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/dogs0
===========
From: dfrntdr...@aol.com (Leah)
Date: 04 Feb 2005 03:14:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Dog fight, dog bite, aaaiiiieeeeee
>ceb c...@virginia.edu wrote:
> I did yell NO!!! or STOP!!! or something like that.
> It seemed to have no effect. I wonder if a loud,
> long blast would work.
Stick your thumbs up their butts. No, I'm serious.
I've never done it, but I hear it works a treat. Gross
as it sounds, I'm going to try it if I ever need to.
--
Family Dog Trainer
"It's A Dog's Life"
"She bit me on the nose. That was a true bite.
Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling
and barking was vicious - the bite was a quick
snap, and the cuts weren't deep."
"Once I was holding her bone for her while she
chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly
put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone."
"The other time was something I reported here
because I thought it was funny. I was sitting on
the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated
BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open
with tongue flopping goofily. She tripped over
my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead."
"Oh, okay. One more, I guess. When I had only
had her a few days, and she hadn't yet learned
not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed
my t-shirt, pinching some skin. It hurt but, again,
there was no blood."
Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her chronic
mental problems. Recenly changed to
another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription.
"I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists
things around in his own mind until he actually believes
what he's saying."
From: dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah)
Date: 05 Nov 2002 00:55:40 GMT
Subject: Re: The Puppy Wizard
>"Mike E" m...@egbert.com wrote:
>My question was "Is there any legitimacy to
>the harshly-worded teachings of the Puppy Wizard?"
Any legitimate advice he gives is plagiarized
from other, more coherent sources.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. :}
PetsMart Pet Trainer
See My Furry Family At:
Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous
advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not
forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have
medical problems that his halfwits-end program could
cure them.
PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life
"I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think
he twists things around in his own mind until he
actually believes what he's saying."
"It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit
was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried
blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs
stiffening quickly.
It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so
that made it much harder for her.
And he was killed by bichons.
Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had
shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I
had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds
for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead.
(The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain").
Full moon.
Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
Full moon.
Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com
> Then she mentioned the names of her dogs,
> and I immediately remembered them.
YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who'd been in your SOCIALIZATION
classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY
MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.
> I will always remember the dogs.
Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.
You hurt intimidate and murder critters, leah.
> Canine Action Dog Trainer
> http://www.canineaction.com
--------------------
> found that nobody in her area had ever heard of him.
No. THAT was lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, SAR trainer:
Here's WON of rpdb's MOST SUCCESSFUL SAR trainers:
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Free Feeding (Was Re: Repeating Commands)
Date: 2001-07-17 21:59:53 PST
dogstar...@aol.com (DogStar716) wrote in message
<news:20010717101836...@ng-mi1.aol.com>...
> For example, if one was to use the dogs regular
> kibble as a motivator in class, the dog will probably
> not be as motivated as he would be if a different type
> of treat was offered (say, a piece of hotdog).
Not necessarily. Remember that there is value added
to the treat by virtue of getting it from the handler as a
reward.
That's the reason I handfed Java for a week.
To add value to the food.
It isn't just another piece of kibble when it
comes from Mom as a reward.
Lynn K.
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Kali gets her CDX!
Date: 2003-10-26 13:49:37 PST
"KrisHur" <kris_br...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
<news:vpnufui...@corp.supernews.com>...> THANKS!
You deserve it! You have my empathy on the heeling
problem. 2 of 29 qualified in Open A & B this morning
at Sacramento - ring fouled overnight by conformation
people exercising their dogs.
A Borzoi vomited on the spot, a Rottie peed on it, and
almost every other dog (including Java) dropped their
nose to the spot and started tracking.
ARRRGH!
Lynn K.
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Goood dog, baaaad sheepies
Date: 2003-07-03 00:02:20 PST
T...@dog-play.com wrote in message news:
> Ah - yes a difference there. Tsuki goes into
> chase mode too - but because he thinks its fun.
Funny how different dogs are so, well, different.
Java gets extremely frustrated by repeatedly
having to pick up split sheep, particularly when
I'm the reason for it. If I cause him that kind
of work too many times he'll simply take it upon
himself to work the sheep alone. It's humbling.
> And he does have enough power that if he
> just keeps putting the pressure on he really
> doesn't need to grip, it will back off. So far
> he's never had a sheep challenge AND
> stand its ground.
Like most GSDs, Java has a LOT of power. But
there's a bottle-raised wether at the barn that
is useless for herding because he ignores
pressure. He just walks towards the dog. Java
gets madder than hell at him and recognizes him
on sight :-)
Lynn K.
From: Chris Kosmakos (chris...@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Newbies Beware of Dogman's Incivility
Date: 1999/02/01
FREDERICK HASSEN (FHAS...@webtv.net) wrote:
: I know you do alot more than carry a clipboard Lynn, but if
: you guys ever need a clipboard carrier----I'm game. I'll
: bet you can learn more about S&R just through osmosis---by
: being out there with them, than most people could ever think
: about learning in their lifetime.
Boy, are you ever right about that, Fred! We've had 2 in the
past 2 weeks that were a real "challenge & opportunity". One
was a private plane that crashed into a mtn. side and gave all
sorts of opportunities to learn about ELT emergency signals
and stabilizing aircraft to extract a body. The other was a
person with a psychotic disorder that was running and hiding
from the searchers. What was interesting about that was that
his scent was everywhere because he was looping and crossing
within an area multiple times. I learned tons about scent
pooling and aging from the Bloodhound/Coonhound cross I was
working with.
I've never seen a trailing dog give a clearer indication of a
problem on a trail or lost scent. She would raise her head,
shake out the accumulated drool & scent, and try again. If
she didn't pick up the scent, she would turn and try at right
angles to both sides, shaking out each time. 3 shake outs and
she would turn and look for further direction from the humans.
That dog is incredibly easy to read. So easy that I could
almost "see" the way scent was moving from her actions.
There were 2 other searches in the same time period and 2 new
Bloodhound pups to start training. My big learning from them
is that Bloodhound pups are not necessarily looking for a
place to pee when their noses are on the ground - their noses
are always on the ground!
And it isn't just in SAR work. A trainer I work with made a
brilliant call recently on a really sharp/shy dog. He quickly
picked up that the dog has CEA and has no peripheral vision.
I was indeed impressed.
Frankly, if I ever think I know it all or am not open to
learning something from every incident and every dog, I hope
to hell someone tells me to hang up both my uniform and my
leashes. And I'll always be distrustful of anyone who claims
to know everything.
Lynn K.
Perhaps your problem is you can't blame
your own failure in SAR on a scape goat:
> But until you step away from your
> keyboard and actually do some fieldwork,
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: The Smart Sheep Sez
Date: 2003-07-05 21:30:57 PST
"Uh Oh, I don't like the looks of that dog coming
in. It's too hot to play with Power Dogs. I'm
going back into the pen, even if I have to jump
the gate. Well, maybe I can hide amongst my
sisters. Nope, gotta get back to the pen. That
dog's in my way. I'll jump over him & miss the
sharp end. Now I'm in the corner and I'm not
leaving. Don't care what the sisters are doing.
He's coming, gotta get airborne again! If I can
talk the sisters into splitting one way, I'll go
the other way. Again and again."
Needless to say, no qualifying for Java today.
If I see that ewe (Sweet Potato) in the group
we get tomorrow, I think I'll pack up my dog and
go home :-(
Lynn K.
> any opinions you form are going to be baseless.
From: Lynn K. (java...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Teaching Behaviours before corrections
Date: 2001-08-03 22:04:17 PST
"Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:lhna7.8216$jL6.7...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> What did flunking out Java tell you about your
> "tests"? Didn't you test him? Seems to me your
> testing failed, or your method failed.
- That I don't agree with the conventional wisdom of
scores of "3" across the board in the Volhard test
indicate the best SAR prospect.
- That a bringsel alert is not the best choice for a long
backed dog in very hilly terrain with large distances
between handler & victim.
- That GSDs should be given more time to mature
and brought along more slowly than Labs or BCs.
- That endurance should be tested earlier in a training program.
Since you asked. (All of which has nothing
to do with selecting K9s.)
Lynn K.
> > Admittedly, in some cases it *is* "broke". The entire
> > philosophy and general, overall approach for training
> > working dogs was invented before the onset of the
> > alpha fallacy, and there are far too many in the field
> > who've been infected by that lie. As a result they use
> > far too much compulsion and dominance, which is a
> > bad thing, and is completely unnecessary, not to
> > mention unscienfific.
>
> > But simply replacing force with food, as
> > Deborah Palman and others seem to do,
>
> Who's using compulsion & dominance?
The SAME mentally ill lying dog abusing punk
thug cowards who BRIBE HURT INTIMIDATE
and MURDER dogs and DENY IT:
"Negotiation is not confrontation, persuasion is not
confrontation, training is not confrontation.
<except when it is>
"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn
"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation," Lynn K.
"We sure can try, but a dog who knows a command
and growls when given it is certainly being
"confrontational". You can't simply walk away and
pretend it didn't happen or leave it for later work
in every situation." Lynn K.
"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"lynn.
lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar,"Lynn K.
"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats. Don't bother. The answer is never."
lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and
dogs:
"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats Date: 1999/11/20
ginge...@my-deja.com wrote:
> How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.
Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.
"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a
prong works better than a choke with less chance of
injury to the dog in this situation.
Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats,
but should be used under the direction of a trainer
who knows how to instruct the owner in their proper
use. Electronics can take the form of shock, sonic
or citronella collars. At that time the owner will
train with electronics instead of food or whatever
other reward system was being used."
8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the
dog. Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I
think a prong works better than a choke with less
chance of injury to the dog in this situation. Have
the dog in a sit-stay next to you with most of the
slack out of the leash and let the cat walk through
the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled). If the dog makes an
aggressive move towards the cat, it must be corrected
strongly with both your voice and the collar. This is
important - the correction must be physically very
strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need to be
corrected at all)."
BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.
Should I have refused to groom them?
Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."
Lynn K.
"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.
And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.
Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."
Lynn K.
---------------------------------
Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...
Lynn, looks like he got you there
if these quotes are true.
In the posts below you take responsibility
for making those calls.
In your post above, you state you
do not make those calls.
Which one is it?
WORDS OF WISDOM
from our own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft every day
For Twenty Years
I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM
"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder
(manic-depression)
requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50 mg of Zoloft
every day. I, also, care about dogs and use this
forum to learn more, while happily sharing
pertinent information I have learned.
But if I were ever to post such sh*t, I would hope
that every other reader of this group would be
rightfully outraged."
"Community is an evolutionary thing that we earn
the right to participate in by observing the easily
understood rules and contributing to in
constructive ways."
Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------
LYNN K. and LOIS E, and a BiLateral, BiPolar
conversation on Mental problems. LYNN AND LOIS Almost
50 years on mental illness medications combined
-----------------------------------------
> But I think what Lois was referring to was the fact
> that Darlene actually stated at some point that she
> was bipolar--and, IIRC, that meds did not work for
> her--so she was prone to major-league ups and downs
> and sudden enthusiasms..
"It wasn't that meds didn't work for her - she
wouldn't take them. I particularly remember a
comment she made about scarey side effects of
Lithium. Hardly. After 17 years on it, I think I'm
qualified to say that the very low risk of
any side effect is far less frightening than the
very real dangers of life without it."
Lynn K.
-----------------------------------------
LYNN K. and the UNQUIET MIND
From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@home.com)
Subject: Re: Where is Darlene? Date: 1999/09/03
BoxHill wrote:
> I know I am totally off topic here, but have you
> read "The Unquiet Mind"?
Yeah. It's interesting, but kind of watered down
for the mass market, if you know what I mean.
There's really quite a lot of good work out there
and decent research. Thank God.
Lynn K.
---------------------------------------
MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION
"KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!"
MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS,
DAUGHTER BIPOLAR...
YOU DO THE MATH
"What's really terrific, is now days you can say
proudly, 'I take anti-depressives'"
From: Gary & lois Edwards (g...@bmi.net) Subject: Re:
Where is Darlene? Date: 1999/09/02
BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS
"I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics
for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the
t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific, is now
days you can say proudly,
"I take anti-depressives". Back when I started
taking them it was seen as something shameful. If
you cut your leg off, and were lying there with a
bleeding stump, you'd never let the word depressed,
pass your lips, or the doc's would say, "You're
depressed, on medication? Well, can't have any pain
meds.....you could become addicted."
The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's
father locked her in her room back in the twenties
because she was simple. A shame that medication
probably would have helped her live a normal life.
No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's
personality, she has a way of making grandiose plans
when at the top of her manic cycle....as does my
daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone with problems
could be counted on to be irresponsible."
Lois E.
-------------------------------------
> He also refused to help her with training her dog.
INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard DON'T WORK with MENTAL CASES and
LIARS.
> When he first came on the group, he claimed repeatedly that he traveled
> around the country working with police and SAR groups. Two regular posters
> at the time actually worked with such groups (one of them owned one of the
> best cadaver dogs in the U.S.).
You mean sindy SADIST mooreon, lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's
BUSINESS PARTNER and PERSONAL PAL of Master Of Deception blankmnan
of DOGPLAY.CON and author of HOWER FAQs pages on k9web:
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
> They checked with sources in those groups,
> and none had ever heard of him.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!
> When this was reported, he stopped making the false claims.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
> Last but not least, if you look at the times he's posting,
> you'll see that he's on the computer nearly 24/7. Those of
> us who actually work with dogs - even just our own dogs -
> don't have time to do that.
INDEEDY. The Amazing Puppy Wizard is TRULY A WIZARD...
> I could go on indefinitely,
INDEEDY. But you'd HURT yourself.
> but if you can't make up your mind from the
> glaringly obvious (e.g the content of his posts),
> perhaps these facts will help.
Oh? You mean, LIKE THIS?:
Subject: Re: Visitor looking For Some Sanity.... Am I In The Right
Place?
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: gtb...@dynamite.com.au (Grant Teeboon)
Date: 1997/05/01
Subject: Re: HELP! PUPPY BITING HOW TO STOP IT?
Jo,
The correct solution to your problem is quite
simple, you haven't yet established a 'reliable
punishment cycle' for your dog.
The complete explanation can be quite complex,
but the shortened version is.. if you try to
stop a dog doing something by punishing it
and the dogs behaviour does not diminish or
extinguishthen the level of punishment that
you have administered is not high enough.
All dogs just like people have there own different
thresholds to pain and punishment, just as some
people have a high tolerance for criticism, some
dogs have a high tolerence for correction.
You should escalate your correction to a level
where the dog yelps when you punish him, thus
making the experience one which the dog will
want to avoid in the future.
from Grant Teeboon, Police Dog Handler RAAF,
Canberra Australia. email: gtb...@dynamite.com.au
HOWEDY sinofabitch,
Sionnach wrote:
> <T...@dog-play.com> wrote in message news:3nd9tg...@individual.net...
> > On 27 Aug 2005 23:57:17 -0700 Pawman <paw...@optushome.com.au> whittled
> these words:
> > You need to use a newsreader on a real
> > newsfeed instead of Google's faux groups.
> Yep. Google is a very poor substitute for
> a real newsreader,
You mean cause you can't KILLFILE the INFORMATION?
LIKE THIS?:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!
> and trying to read any of the groups infested
> with our resident mental patient
"I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9."
You're quite the EXXXPERT dog trainer, AIN'T YOU.
> (all of those posts are originating from one disturbed individual
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> > Who said that? I would never do or recommend
> > that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
> > Sally Hennessey
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about
> a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
--Marshall
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
--Marshall Dermer
=====================
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
Robert Crim writes:
>Terri
===========
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, bye the bye, you bums can't post to The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Forums nodoGdameneD more <{) ; ~ ) >
unsurrea...@yahoo.com
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@HushMail.Com wrote:
> HOWEDY Borked Pseudo Mailed,
>
> Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
> >
> > Is Jerry Howe
>
> You mean The Amazing Puppy Wizard *(it's _ SPELLED JUST
> _ LIKE HOWE it _ SHOWENDS) <{) ; ~ ) >
>
> > a fraud
The quick answer is: YES - Jerry Howe is a fraud.