I don't get it...
montana wildhack
Today she is walking a Pug and a "Golden Doodle" (or whatever they call
a Golden/Poodle mix).
The "Doodle" is cute as he can be, but he looks like a lot of other
semi-curly haired mutts. His hair isn't curly enough to be held in
place like a Poodle's hair would be, so he sheds just like a Golden.
I sort of thought that one of the magical features of a Poodle cross
were the hypoallergenic properties. If the dog sheds like any other
dog, how would it be different from any other dog?
Are there other magical qualities that I'm missing? "Hybrid vigor"?
Janet Boss
montana wildhack <mon...@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> I sort of thought that one of the magical features of a Poodle cross
> were the hypoallergenic properties. If the dog sheds like any other
> dog, how would it be different from any other dog?
>
> Are there other magical qualities that I'm missing? "Hybrid vigor"?
You're missing the money in the breeder's pocket when they pawn off a
mixed breed as magical!
I get a lot of doodles in classes. Some of them are cute, nice coats,
non shedding, smart. Others are dumb as a box of rocks, not very
attractive and hair is everywhere. In other words they are very
inconsistent. A very mixed bag, and a total crap shoot. Then you can
get the bad qualities of each parent breed, and the list goes on.
People are very gullible,
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
montana wildhack
<ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> said:
> Some of them are cute, nice coats,
> non shedding, smart.
I wonder if I've even seen one that is non shedding. None of the Poodle
mixes I see have the kind of Poodle coat I associate with not shedding.
Either their owners are using a straightening creme rinse or the hair
has magical sticking power...
diddy
in news:2008071908375916807-montana@wildhackcominvalid:
> Are there other magical qualities that I'm missing? "Hybrid vigor"?
>
It's NOT a hybrid, nor does it qualify for vigor. It's just a mutt. If it
were a coyote.poo or a wolf.doodle, or a hyena.dachs, it would be a hybrid
good bad or ugly
montana wildhack
That's why I put that bizarre and misleading phrase in quotes.
We love mutts.
I just can't get a grip on the concept.
Phyrie
"montana wildhack" <mon...@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in message
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I read an interview with an -oodle breeder who said one of the reasons they
use poodles + whatever is because the puppies are curly haired. Curly
haired puppies are considered cuter than other puppies.
Cute=desirability=more money, more often.
--
Phyrie
Kiba the Cav's Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyrie/sets/72157602686758930/detail/
montana wildhack
> Curly
> haired puppies are considered cuter than other puppies.
> Cute=desirability=more money, more often.
And they have cute names!
Marketing is an interesting thing.
I have to admit to having a problem with people who purposefully breed
mutts for a wide variety of reasons...
tiny dancer
"montana wildhack" <mon...@wildhack.com.invalid> wrote in message
In our old neighborhood, a young couple had a labradoodle. It was a big
dog, tight curly hair, and they said he didn't shed. He had a very happy,
carefree temperament. Was very friendly, funny and athletic. Seemed like a
great dog. Another of our neighbors, who herself is an owner of large
standard poodles, walked him twice a day for the young, working
couple/owners. That particular dog, I wouldn't have minded owning myself.
Although the dog walker/neighbor told me the couple had paid big bucks for
the labradoodle. It was the first one I'd seen, in the flesh, up close and
personal. I liked that particular dog both for it's personality and the
fact that it didn't shed. I don't mind the dog hair that much, I'm used to
it, but one of our daughters is highly allergic to dogs. She is the only
one in the family who doesn't own a dog herself, because of her allergies.
I thought perhaps the *doodle* might not affect her quite as much as our
plain old *hairy* dogs.
td
>
Shelly
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> I thought perhaps the *doodle* might not affect her quite as much
> as our plain old *hairy* dogs.
Why not an actual Poodle, then?
FWIW, I'm allergic to dogs, cats, mice, bunnies, horses, etc. Of all
the dogs I've been around, Poodles and Poodley-types trigger my
allergies the worst.
--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)
tiny dancer
"Shelly" <she...@cat-sidh.net> wrote in message
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> "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in
> news:5_Igk.4375$US3...@bignews2.bellsouth.net:
>
>> I thought perhaps the *doodle* might not affect her quite as much
>> as our plain old *hairy* dogs.
>
> Why not an actual Poodle, then?
>
> FWIW, I'm allergic to dogs, cats, mice, bunnies, horses, etc. Of all
> the dogs I've been around, Poodles and Poodley-types trigger my
> allergies the worst.
She too is very bad around poodles. I don't know why. when she first began
having real asthma attacks from animals, it was after baby-sitting in
someones home who had a miniature poodle. When she was younger, she'd just
break out in red blotches from the contact. But as she got older, probably
around puberty, the asthma developed in her. Our youngest daughter was born
with asthma and out-grew it at puberty, while the eldest grew into it.
She is less bothered by dogs with shorter hair, like Gracie. Our middle
daughters mini dachshund didn't seem to bother her too much. We all have
hardwood floors in our homes, which has helped her. And we all keep the
dogs outside when she's here. Or if the weather is nice and we are able to
have our windows/doors open, she's pretty much okay as long as none of the
dogs touch her. I am just always looking for an option for her, so when I
saw this *doodle*, it crossed my mind to see perhaps how a dog like that
might or might not make a difference.
td
Sparrow
> montana wildhack <mont...@wildhack.com.invalid> spoke these words of wisdom
> innews:2008071908375916807-montana@wildhackcominvalid:
>
> > Are there other magical qualities that I'm missing? "Hybrid vigor"?
>
> It's NOT a hybrid, nor does it qualify for vigor. It's just a mutt. If it
> were a coyote.poo or a wolf.doodle, or a hyena.dachs, it would be a hybrid
>
> good bad or ugly
lol-how 'bout a Platpus, Armadillo, Dachound hybred...guess that would
be a 'Platyarmdachsidillopus'? That would actually be a Mutant, not a
hybred.
Sparrow
wrote:
> On 2008-07-19 21:53:04 -0400, "Phyrie" <phyrie_removeth...@hotmail.com> said:
>
> > Curly
> > haired puppies are considered cuter than other puppies.
> > Cute=desirability=more money, more often.
>
> And they have cute names!
>
> Marketing is an interesting thing.
>
> I have to admit to having a problem with people who purposefully breed
> mutts for a wide variety of reasons...
Agreed!! There are enough wonderful shelter dogs that need good homes,
and so many that would make wonderful pets destroyed daily,
it's a shame people are hybeeding to make $ when the shelters are full
of them.
Sparrow
wrote:> > "tiny dancer" <tinydancer...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's actually the dander that causes allergies, though I have friends
allergic to dogs that tollerate short hairs very well. I've always
had short hairs, and actually like the straight fur better than the
curly. It also doesn't get 'tangled' as easy, and the grooming
(except twice a year when Cupid used to, and Aeriel 'blows her coat'-
but that's nothing the 'love-glove', a vaccume & good bath won't take
care of. :-)
I'll try to post some pics of Aeriel when she was young w/her litter
at her foster moms house, & get some recent pics of us. Hope they come
out!!
I'll try these two...
Aeriel puppy pic 1.jpg
Aeriel puppy pic 2.jpg
Shelly
> But as she got older, probably around puberty, the asthma
> developed in her. Our youngest daughter was born with asthma and
> out-grew it at puberty, while the eldest grew into it.
Weird, isn't it? My mom has always had asthma. My younger brothers
all had it as children, and have grown out of it to varying degrees.
I never had any type of allergies until I was in my late teens. Now,
I'm blessed with the whole onslaught (hives, asthma, hay fever,
etc.).
> She is less bothered by dogs with shorter hair, like Gracie.
Same here. And it's funny, because my mom is the opposite. She's
*very* allergic to short-, single-coated dogs, but not as much to
long-haired dogs. I tend to react more to long, Poodley coats, but
not much to short coats (given that the dog is reasonably clean and
isn't covered in pollen). So I can live fine with a Dobe, Boxer, or
Great Dane, but my mom would be sick if she tried to.
Harriet, by the way, gets bathed with Dr. Bronner's (peppermint),
then wiped down with Allerpet D the night before I take her to my
mom's, which works well for 2-3 day visits.
<http://www.amazon.com/Allerpet-D-12-oz/dp/B00076NNL0>
> I am just always looking for an option for her, so when I saw this
> *doodle*, it crossed my mind to see perhaps how a dog like that
> might or might not make a difference.
If she's allergic to Poodles, it's unlikely that she will be less
allergic to Poodle mixes. But allergies are completely individual,
so it's impossible to say. She may even be allergic to certain
individual dogs of a given breed, but not others of the same breed.
Shelly
e74d4b...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
> It's actually the dander that causes allergies
Yes. And yet, for some reason, hair length and type *do* make a
significant difference for some people's allergies.
Also, this is a text-only group. If you've got pictures, you can
post them on a website or to a hosting service, like Flickr, then
post the link(s) here.
tiny dancer
> "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in
> news:OgKgk.4515$jT6....@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
>
>> But as she got older, probably around puberty, the asthma
>> developed in her. Our youngest daughter was born with asthma and
>> out-grew it at puberty, while the eldest grew into it.
>
> Weird, isn't it? My mom has always had asthma. My younger brothers
> all had it as children, and have grown out of it to varying degrees.
> I never had any type of allergies until I was in my late teens. Now,
> I'm blessed with the whole onslaught (hives, asthma, hay fever,
> etc.).
Our asthma specialist told me that *usually* when one is born with asthma,
they have a far better chance of outgrowing it than those who develop it
around puberty. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
Thankfully, it worked that way with our youngest daughter, because she had
very severe asthma. Her wheezing was a result of the fluids in her chest
thickening and thickening until she could no longer breathe. Her's was the
scariest and she did outgrow it once she got to her mid-teen years.
The other two daughters got it when they hit puberty, and their's was
allergic reaction. In an emergency, a couple shots of eppi would help them
a lot.
What type do you have? Did anyone in your family have the type where the
fluids in the lungs thicken up? Just curious.
>
>> She is less bothered by dogs with shorter hair, like Gracie.
>
> Same here. And it's funny, because my mom is the opposite. She's
> *very* allergic to short-, single-coated dogs, but not as much to
> long-haired dogs. I tend to react more to long, Poodley coats, but
> not much to short coats (given that the dog is reasonably clean and
> isn't covered in pollen). So I can live fine with a Dobe, Boxer, or
> Great Dane, but my mom would be sick if she tried to.
>
> Harriet, by the way, gets bathed with Dr. Bronner's (peppermint),
> then wiped down with Allerpet D the night before I take her to my
> mom's, which works well for 2-3 day visits.
>
> <http://www.amazon.com/Allerpet-D-12-oz/dp/B00076NNL0>
Thanks, I will check this out. I've been using oatmeal based shampoo ever
since we had Murphy because she tended towards skin allergies. Just never
bothered to change shampoos with these two because the oatmeal worked so
well for Murphy.
>
>> I am just always looking for an option for her, so when I saw this
>> *doodle*, it crossed my mind to see perhaps how a dog like that
>> might or might not make a difference.
>
> If she's allergic to Poodles, it's unlikely that she will be less
> allergic to Poodle mixes. But allergies are completely individual,
> so it's impossible to say. She may even be allergic to certain
> individual dogs of a given breed, but not others of the same breed.
You're probably right. She would love to be able to have a dog, but unless
somebody does some remarkable research, I doubt that will ever happen. Her
allergies are just too severe. All my girls had allergy shots when they
were kids. Other than helping them at the time, have a better quality of
life, I don't think they had any long-lasting effects as to their allergies.
td
Janet Boss
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Our asthma specialist told me that *usually* when one is born with asthma,
> they have a far better chance of outgrowing it than those who develop it
> around puberty. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
I outgrew it around puberty, but then shortly before I turned 30, it
returned with a vengeance. Nice trick.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Shelly
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What type do you have? Did anyone in your family have the type where
> the fluids in the lungs thicken up? Just curious.
Me. Everyone else in my family has the wheezy type. Lucky me got the
fluid-with-uncontrollable-coughing type.
>> <http://www.amazon.com/Allerpet-D-12-oz/dp/B00076NNL0>
>
> Thanks, I will check this out. I've been using oatmeal based shampoo
> ever since we had Murphy because she tended towards skin allergies.
> Just never bothered to change shampoos with these two because the
> oatmeal worked so well for Murphy.
It's not a shampoo. You'd still use whatever you want to wash the dog.
This is a product that you wipe the coat down with. I don't know how
well it would work as an everyday solution, but it's good for occasional
use when taking a dog to visit someone who's allergic.