My dog is scared and won't sit still or sleep!!!

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This started Thursday evening. My 3.5 year old Boykin Spaniel will
not sit still or sleep. She keeps pacing around like she's deathly
afraid of something. Every now and then, she'll take off running like
something tried to get her. She only seems to be content when she is
sitting directly on top of us. Over the past two nights, she may have
slept a total of 2 hours. We've been to the vet twice and they can't
seem to find anything wrong with her. My wife says it looks like
she's afraid of a ghost or something.

It's absolutely killing me to see her like this. Anyone got any ideas
of what might cause something like this?

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Jan 5, 2008, 9:27:06 PM1/5/08
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HOWEDY WakeBdr,

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> This started Thursday evening. My 3.5 year old Boykin Spaniel will
> not sit still or sleep. She keeps pacing around like she's deathly
> afraid of something. Every now and then, she'll take off running like
> something tried to get her. She only seems to be content when she is
> sitting directly on top of us.

Sounds like your dog is havin OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE
PHOBIA ATTACKS. That can be DEATHLY <{}: ~ ( >

LUCKY THING you can EXXXTINGUISH them NEARLY
INSTANTLY simply by NON PHYSCIALLY PRAISING her IN
ADVANCE and BRIEFLY, VARIABLY, ALTERNATELY,NON
PHYSICALLY, DISTRACTING and INSTANTLY NON PHYSICALLY
PRAISING her for five to fifteen seconds AND intermittently for as
long
as the dog remains THINKIN of the event EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
as INSTRUCTED in your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly
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> Over the past two nights, she may have slept a total of 2 hours.

That'll make it WORSE.

> We've been to the vet twice and they can't
> seem to find anything wrong with her.

Could be she's got sumpthin physically wrong, but PROBABLY NOT.

Obsessive compulsive disorders are pretty common
here abHOWETS, WakeBdr. They're CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING as taught by PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE trainers including and particularly,
the "CLICKEROOS" <{}: ~ ( >

Clicker trainin requires offerin an withHOWELDIN bribes.
Doin so causes the dog to throw mindless meaningless random
unthinkin behaviors till the TREAT *(bribe) is released from
the human Skinner Box <{}: ~ ( >

This increases anXXXIHOWESNESS to dangerHOWES levels
where seizures, self mutilation, aggression, and obsessive compulsive
behaviors occur <{}: ~ ( >

Of curse, you AIN'T gonna find nodoGdameneD information
abHOWET this as the PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS are the
CAUSE of the temperament and behavior problems THEY
GET PAID to CURE <{}: ~ ( >

Your veterinarian don't know NUTHIN other than prescribing
drugs to counteract the effects of their toxic veterinary malpractices
and unnecessary, inapupriate surgical sexual mutilations <{}: ~ ( >

> My wife says it looks like she's afraid of a ghost or something.

Well then, you've come to the right place~! We got lots of dog
lovers here who believe in GHOSTS. Perhaps your dog is reactin
to a beepin from a smoke detector or other electronic device, or
maybe to bugs or vermin in the walls or under the floor, even the
ultrasonic sounds of a wild critter or bat in your attic or yard.

Whatever, it's IRELEVENT, WakeBdr. We know
HOWE to EXXXTINGUISH the phobia <{}: ~ ) >

> It's absolutely killing me to see her like this.

LikeWIZE. Better get started STUDYIN your FREE Manual
and follow ALL of the EXXXORCISES PRECISELY as
instructed an ASK ME if you need any additional FREE heelp.

> Anyone got any ideas of what might cause something like this?

NO.

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and DISCREDITED as a LIAR a DOG ABUSER a COWARD a
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You might get your house wiring checked?

>

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HOWEDY WakeBdr,

I'm posting to you directly in response to elegy's reply to your
post advising you to seek further veterinary assistance. Two
of her own dogs GOT THE SAME PROBLEM. That's GOOD!
That's GOOD on accHOWENTA she MURDERED her last
TWO DEAD "RESCUE" dogs for owner aggression and phobias.

elegy and the other posters here are MENTALLY ILL and
desperately need their rest. If you reply to them you'll be
inciting them to go MANIC and possibly require further
HOWEspitalization.

PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB the MENTAL PATIENTS:

"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message news:
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> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:38:11 -0800 (PST), WakeBdr
> <bb...@optiosoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> This started Thursday evening. My 3.5 year old Boykin
>> Spaniel will not sit still or sleep. She keeps pacing around
>> like she's deathly afraid of something.

Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=

elegy MURDERED her little DEAD Poodle "RESCUE"
DOG instead of simply PRAISING her for BEING
AFRAID and havin PAINICK ATTACKS JUST LIKE
HOWE she MURDERED her DEAD "RESCUE" dog
Homer *(who SOMEHOWE managed to LIVE to 12
years of age withHOWET HEELP from a RESCUER)
on accHOWENTA IT didn't LIKE being jerked an
choked and intimidated.

elegy the PATHETIC DOG MURDERIN MENTAL CASE wrote:
> My heart went out to that elderly dog, being dumped in a
> shelter at this stage of his life. Losing not only his only
> known home, but his owner at the same time. :(

Yeah, THAT'S HOWE COME elegy took in an freakin
MURDERED her LAST TWO DEAD "RESCUE DOGS".

HOWEDY elegy,

I been buildin a ramp myself, for you an your PALS!

"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:150rf39ahr0k086gm...@4ax.com...

> my little poodle was ancient and skinny as could be. she
> wore a sweater in the house in the winter, a t-shirt in
> spring and fall, and had a fleece coat to wear outside in
> winter, but she sure never turned down a walk.

That's nice.

AND THEN YOU MURDERED IT FOR BEIN AFRAID.

LIKE THIS:

"elegy" <e...@shattering.org> wrote in message
news:f0vbp0h8g3r1262v5...@4ax.com...

i never meant to own a poodle. i used to take those
online "what breed of dog is right for you tests"
and get poodle and go back and change my answers.

i especially never meant to own a little poodle.

sometimes life turns out to be the last thing you expect.

the first time i met her i had just started working
overnights by myself. she was hospitalized with
pneumonia and an ugly anal gland abscess. she
barked and carried on and peed in her cage every
twenty minutes and pretty much drove me crazy
all night and i absolutely couldn't stand her.

then one of our doctors brought her back to the
hospital for good. her owner had alzheimers and
had to go into a home, and pam said she'd take
siren and try to find her a home. the womans
other dog was an easy rehome- a 2 year old mini
poodle, cute as a button. but siren was 16, senile,
with advanced heart disease, not great kidneys,
full cataracts in both eyes, and no potty training
whatsoever.

she stayed about 2 months in the kennels. she
grew on me. i would leave her out with me at
night so she'd get some exercise and some
attention. one night i mentioned to the vet who
had brought her in that i wished i could take
her but was afraid i couldn't afford her.

she'd need multiple medications, regular bloodwork,
x-rays, etc. the vet offered to pay for her medical bills
if i'd give her a good home.

she told me she didn't expect siren to live more than
a year. she lasted 18 months and 4 days. she could
have kept going physically. but her little brain had
just run out. the past two weeks she's just been terrible.

she was pacing nonstop and wouldn't or couldn't stop.

i'd pick her up and try to bring her back to bed and
quiet her down, and her legs would just keep pacing
as i held her.

she was getting lost and stuck in corners, and at walls,
and in weird places i can't figure out how she got into.
she hardly knew where she was or what was going on
anymore.

and when i asked her what she wanted, all i got was
an overwhelming feeling of apathy.

so i took her in tonight after appointments and we
put her to sleep. it was one of the hardest decisions
i've ever had to make.

i think i've been crying for a week. i thought i was
cried out, but when the vet was giving her the
injection and started crying,

i lost it.

i'm home now and just feel so empty. i have to
figure out what to do with all her things. her bed.
her coats. i feel so lost.

they got me beautiful flowers at work and i keep
looking at them and tearing up again because i
am just so touched.

she was a special dog and she touched a lot of
people's lives. i miss her very much.

goodnight my little space princess. sleep sweet
and remember me in your dreams.
<http://escape.nightsfall.net/shudder/images/sirensunshine.jpg> > ---

> petey was a pit bull.
> http://shattering.org

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SEE?

>> It's absolutely killing me to see her like this.

Yeah. THAT'S HOWE COME elegy MURDERED her little DEAD DOG.

>> Anyone got any ideas of what might cause something like this?

Yeah. WONder HOWE COME elegy sets her INFORMATIVE
posts to EXXXPIRE in six days, WakeBdr? Ask elegy if she'd
answer just WON question, please?: HOWE COME would you
set your INFORMATIVE posts to EXXXPIRE in six days, elegy?
Are you EMBARRASSED by your own words, you lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental case fraud an SCAM ARTIST?

matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:

"Rocky" <2d...@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

> i'd be worried she's in pain somewhere,
> and the vet's just not finding it.

COULD BE. HOWEver, it PROBABLY AIN'T.

"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
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> On 26 Oct 2007 15:36:25 -0400, sh...@panix.com (Melinda Shore)
wrote:
>> It can have some stupid side-effects, though (THERE IS
>> NO SUCH THING AS A SIDE-EFFECT - THEY'RE ALL
>> EFFECTS)

Yeah. The SIDE EFFECTS are INCREASED anXXXIHOWESNESS which can cause
obsessive compulsive disorders like self mutilation,
light / shadow chasing, tail chasing, fear of thunder, fear of riding
in
cars, fear of noises, EXXXCESSIVE digging, barking whining,
aggression, and seizures, to name a few, INCLUDING stress
induced auto-immune DIS-EASES like Cushings and Addisons
and degenerative mylopathies, neuralgias, Vestibular and Homer's
Syndrome, and much, much more, a.k.a. The Puppy Wizard's
Syndrome <{}: ~ ( >

> mushroom does this with his "chompy teeth" trick (which is
> pretty much what it sounds like- he snaps his teeth and
> carries on and looks very ferocious on cue).

That so? That's INSANE, elegy. Your FEARFUL HYPERACTIVE NEUROTIC dog
Mushroom DON'T NEED you puttin his
anXXXIHOWESNESS behaviors "ON CUE", he does them all on
his own on accHOWENTA you're a dog abusin MENTAL CASE.

> he also resorts to this trick when he's frustrated with me

Naaaah?

> and doesn't know what i want, because it's
> been so rewarding for him in the past.

Dogs DO NOT do hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
obsessive compulsive behaviors in frustration on accHOWENTA
"they BEEN SO REWARDING IN THE PAST", they do them on accHOWENTA
THEY'RE GOIN INSANE on accHOWENTA
you're a ignorameHOWES DOG ABUSIN MENTAL CASE <{}: ~ ( >

> which is fine in private,

NO IT AIN'T "FINE IN PRIVATE".

DOGS DIE from that kinda STRESS you freakin animal murderin imbecile.

> but a little bit embarrassing in a class or public setting!

That so? Oh, you mean like when he freaks HOWET when
you make your "CLICK" in your "CLICKER TRAINING"?
> --
> http://shattering.org
> x-no-archive:yes in headers

And NHOWE, let's get on with the elegy murderin
her own DEAD RESCUE dogs SHOWE:

HOWEDY elegy you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable malignant mental case and
Pit Bull RESCUER,

"elegy" <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote in message
news:b70im3dhe5f5nlbeg...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:11:55 -0800, Henry <n...@all.so> wrote:
>
>>Mixed terrier bitch, 30#, about 5 years old, rescued.
>>Good health, only one bad habit: attacks!
>>
>>Can a shock collar be used to retrain this rescue that
>>attacks other dogs? So far she's not a biter but a
>>barker/lunger, but if this cannot be "fixed" she'll
>>become unrescued. That would be a pity because in other
>>respects she's a fine dog, and with people, she's
>>wonderful.
>
> putting a shock collar on a dog-aggressive
> dog is a pretty horrible idea.

You mean, Vs puttin a shock collar on a fearful
or shy dog like your own, elegy?

> what other methods of retraining have you tried?

Well, you can BET he ain't tried MURDERIN his dog YET,
like HOWE you done your own last TWO DEAD "RESCUE"
dogs. REMEMBER, elegy?

> for my two dog-aggressive dogs, one was fear-based,

ALL aggression is FEAR, elegy. THAT'S HOWE COME
you MURDERED your own last TWO DEAD "RESCUE"
dogs. REMEMBER, elegy?

> so i used a lot of desensitization and rewarding for calm behavior.

That so? And yet you SEZ "neither is "fixed" in that
they're not trustworthy off-leash around strange dogs,"
so WHAT'S YOUR POINT, elegy? Are you a glutton
for PUNISHMENT every time you post your lies insanity
and idiocy to my forums?

> the other is just a bitchy dog-aggressive pit bull,

THAT'S INSANE, elegy. Here's your own "bitchy dog-aggressive
pit bull" GOIN INSANE from your "desensitization and rewarding
for calm behavior" on your PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE
COLLAR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzBtxevvcFs&mode=user&search=

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

> so i've done a lot of work on self-control and attention.

THAT'S ABSURD. Your "attention" trainin means you offer
BRIBES to make your dog LOOK AT YOU instead of the
other critters she FEARS which makes your dog AGRESS
in order to GET THE COOKIE you're withHOWELDIN.

> neither is "fixed" in that they're not trustworthy off-leash
> around strange dogs, but nor are they problems leashed
> in pubic spaces.

Well that's just plain NOT TRUE, elegy. You recently called
animal CON-TROLL at least two times on your neighbor's
dogs when you ran across them ON LEASH in your neighborhood
and your own dogs who are "nor are they problems leashed in
pubic spaces" WENT INSANE. REMEMBER, elegy?

Well elegy, I AIN'T gonna dig up them "OLD POSTS" from last
month. We'll just move along to you HURTIN INTIMIDATIN an
MURDERIN your own last two DEAD rescue dogs and then into
you own POSTED CASE HISTORY of INCURABLE MENTAL
ILLNESS.

On Oct 26, 6:06 pm, elegy <el...@DOGPOOPshattering.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:27:15 +0200 (CEST), Anonymous
> <nob...@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:

> > Puppy is about 7 months old. I'm trying to teach him "come."
> > Sometimes he does it fine. Other times, he just sits there,
> > looks at me and ignores me. It is extremely frustrating.

That ain't hardly as frustrating as MURDERIN your own
last TWO DEAD "RESCUE" dogs on accHOWENTA you
ABUSED them, is it, elegy, you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active accute
chronic life long incurable mental case.

> this is my favorite link for teaching a reliable recall
> <http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/Lesson6.html>

Yeah? Your friend Mistress Shirley is a B&D/S&M SPECIALIST
who can't train the come command withHOWET her trusty SHOCK
COLLAR you pathetic lyin animal murderin ignorameHOWES:

Here's your PAL shirly chong, crapHOWES CLICKER TRAINER:

"To be effective as a positive punisher, I set the level
of shock at a level high enough (in my best guesstimation)
to be unpleasant to the dog. I want the dog to startle a
bit and even yelp when they get shocked.

No, this is not pleasant.

After each shock, I call the dog again (because many
dogs tend to panic when something mysteriously reaches
out and stings them)."

But don't go away yet, my pretty flying monkey, there's MOORE:

"If the dog is still refusing the recall, then I escalate my aversive
a bit--usually, to taking two big handfuls of ruff as I move
backwards.

Some dogs do get "long line wise.""

No, some trainers are just long line stupid.

You can't force a dog to come.

"That is, they never refuse a recall while on the long line
but when the long line is gone, they are unreliable even if
the handler started with close recalls off lead in a familiar
(and safely fenced) area."

That's because you can't teach compliance with force no
matter HOWE gently you try to force. ANY force, even verbal
intimidation, will cause the opposition reflex to compel the
dog to do other than what you want.

Too bad you sharp trainers here don't understand that. It's
called positive thigmotaxis, and it's just as valid with a
choke collar as it is with a mental attitude. Force causes
the dog to not respond.

"IF the dog never ever refuses a recall while on the long
line, no matter what the distraction (and I am pretty good
at devising distractions for this test!), then I move to a
shock collar."

That's a competent clicker trainer, by golly!

Where do you people come off with that kind of crap?

Here's Miss Shirly, the CLICKER TRAINER you recommended to us:

Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M Shirley Chong <eithne @forest.pcpartner.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:16:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

MasterofDelight wrote:
> Welcome back, and it sure did not take you long to pick
> up on the dog training thread. As you can see, you
> commentary was missed.

Thanks!

Yes, there's nothing more likely to lure me out of lurk
mode than a training question. I'd planned to lurk for
a couple weeks to get up to speed again but before I
knew it, the keyboard was rattling.

> OB:bdsm Do you give advice on "puppy training" too?

Sure! I may not have a clue as to what I'm talking
about but that never stops me.

Shirley eithne @direcway.com http://www.shirleychong.com

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From: M Shirley Chong <eit...@forest.pcpartner.net>
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004

Subject: Re: pregnancy and S&M?

dionysiangrrrl wrote:
> I just learned I'm pregnant, and while in most respects,
> I find it to be excellent news, I'm a little concerned
> about play time. I'm a fairly heavy masochist used to
> frequent beatings and torture, and have held back from
> play so far until I get a little more advanced, just to
> be safe. But if I make it healthily through the first
> trimester, does anyone have any advice for pregnancy
> whompings? (Besides the fairly obvious "no more gut
> punches" rule :)

Congratulations!

My advice is to ask your doctor. Because your doctor is the
one who knows your specific conditions, because there's a
lot of advice out there of varying quality (including this!)
and because it's important to have peace of mind that you
are doing the right thing at a time like this.

Most doctors have heard it all. If they haven't heard it all,
they should have. <G> If you have reason to believe that your
doctor may react badly then maybe that's an indication this
isn't the doctor for you.

Better to find this out now rather than when you are in
labor and not in the mood to holler at some rank narrow
mindedness and unable to gather your dignity and march out.

Those hospital gowns just don't cut it for dignified exits
unless you back out the door and then there's the little
problem of who is out in the hall.

Much easier in the long run to tell the truth.

Shirley

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From: redneckpai...@aol.comspam (Joe Sergio)

Date: 17 Apr 2004 00:51:40 GMT

Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

JK said:

> Gee, let's see, why not take your dogs to a training
> school or ask your local police how they do it with
> their dogs?!

Ive already called the K9 officer in my town.
Left a message. He will get in touch with me.

> And I don't know do you think maybe slapping your dogs
> around so much and living with them, I mean all that
> attention you are giving them might just have something
> to do with why they like you and your family more than
> the neighbors?

I don't slap them around so much. I'll pop em, and all
when they do something wrong, and fuss at em. But I have
found something even better to make them stop what they
are doing.

A dustbuster. Just turn it on. Or show it to them. They
hate any type of vacum cleaner. It's worked about keeping
Jake out of the garbage. I sat in the kitchen a whole day,
and every time he went to the garbage can and went to stick
his head in, I turned it on. He stopped that.

Mainly I just pet them. They lay there by my chair and I
reach down and scratch them. They get up in the chair with
me. Tha'ts not easy when they are that big. But they still
think they are puppies. I do spoil them sometimes, but they
are my boys, and I love them.

> Hey, but this is the SSBB clearinghouse and you know the
> brain bucket is just outside and we do expect you to leave
> your brain there first before you post your problems here.

> Afterall, we all know that SSBB has all the answers you
> need for all your problems. Don't bother picking up your
> phone and calling around 'cause you got the good ole
> SSBB to help solve your problems.

You dumbass, I did call around and ask some advice from
other folks as well first. I posted it here because Miss
Shirley trains dogs, and there are a few folks here who
know more about it than I do.

Why do you try to turn every post you reply to into a noncon
humiliation scene with you topping? Could it be that this is
the only action your getting? LOL

> Time to fetch your brain. Come on boy you can do it.
> There you go.

I'd ask you to fetch yours, but I don't think you can
see something that small without a microscope.
--
Joe
Suck a lifesaver today, put a fireman in your mouth.

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From: M Shirley Chong <eit...@forest.pcpartner.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004

Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

Katharine H. wrote:
> He does pretty well in his "walking gear" -- which is
> what the prong and leash are. When I put the prong
> collar and leash on, he still shows other aggression
> behaviors to new men in the house but does not lunge
> (because he doesn't tighten his leash on the prong.)

> I think he does pretty well with the leash behaviors
> (given he's got a run-of-the-mill owner-type).

What other sorts of behaviours does he show?

> He is mostly fine when we are off the property. He
> still must stay leashed, but the only people he shows
> aggression to are fly fisherman (something about the
> gear freaks him out) and other dogs. Other people he
> basically ignores. My biggest issue are other dog
> owners whose dogs are off leash and want to come up
> and say hello. My beast will play well with a dog who
> submits, but will fight with one who doesn't.

I have a solution for that one. When some clueless idjit
allows their dog to come up to mine, I call over sweetly
"don't worry, the vet doesn't think he's infectious anymore."

A carryover from my years showing horses when idjits leading
a horse down the aisle of a barn would let their horse poke
it's head into my horse's stall. I'd grab a bottle of Ring-Ex
(ringworm medication) and start spritzing ostentatiously. And
mention that my vet thought we had the infestation cleared up.

I never mentioned that the bottle was full of plain water. <G>

If I'm not in a nice mood, I just scare the bejeebers out
of the oncoming dog to send it away. When they say "but
he's friendly" I say "well, I'm not." My dogs never have
to defend themselves on leash. I think they sort of enjoy
seeing me chase other dogs away, there's a certain smugness
in the way they lean against me while looking at the other dog.

> Bottom line though... this dog is killing my sex life because
> I can't introduce men into the house and I've been in the mood
> for men the past several months. I don't know what the hell
> I'm doing, so I've called a local trainer and she's going to
> teach me how to more effectively deal with the beast before I
> figure it's time to enter a monastary :-)

> This dog is so docile with me...
> the contrast in behaviors is amazing.

Nooooo, not the monastary! Your scene reports are
incredibly good and would be a loss to pervkind.

Shirley

Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
From: M Shirley Chong <eit...@forest.pcpartner.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:38:40 -0500

Subject: Re: OT Big dog problem. Serious help needed

I'm piggybacking from Nicole Diver:

> Katharine H. writes: "This is my new tactic -- my 3 yr
> old rottie/lab mix has become *extremely* aggressive
> when new people, in particular men, come onto his
> territory. All people who are coming to my home for
> the first time are warned to expect aggression. They
> are then given the option of dealing with the dog or
> not. If the new guests are not "dog people" I will
> make the choice for them and the dog will stay in the
> backyard while I have people over.

> If they do want to make friends with the dog, then the
> dog goes on a leash and prong collar when they enter the
> house. When I let them in, he is snarling, lunging, etc.
> As soon as the treats come out it's a whole new ballgame.
> The pup sits and wags his tail and is ready to make friends.
> It generally takes time for him to warm up to new men."

Katherine, I have nothing against the use of prong collars
and recommend them when I feel it is appropriate. Just like
any tool, there are situations when a prong collar is the
best tool for a job and there situations where a prong
collar is the worst tool for a job.

Prong collars do tend to magnify a dog's aggressive tendencies.
If the dog is at all inclined to bite unreasonably, the prong
collar will often send it right over the edge.

<snip BD/SM and proceed directly to MURDER>

Re: homer bit me :(

"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
news:e71pt2lsdt1ssklla...@4ax.com...
long ago and far away, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu> did say:

>elegy <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in
>news:1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg0...@4ax.com:
>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because
>> i wigged out on him for it,
>
> I'm not sure you should be. Maybe it's because
> I'm used to dogs that'll keep pushing barriers
> just to find the limits (if any), but the bottom
> line is that Homer did something completely
> unacceptable (for whatever good and justified
> reason) and discovered that, yes, there is an
> upper boundary beyond which his new human
> gets a bit testy. That's a good thing for a dog
> of any age to learn.

i worry that he reacted out of fear
and i gave him more reason to fear.

luce is a huge barrier-pusher. i've wigged out
on her a few times, too, and that i don't think
was necessarily a bad thing. but with this guy,
because he's kinda timid and i think kinda
fearful, i feel bad about.

>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down
>> enough to not do anything else stupid.
>
> Well, see, you learned something valuable.
> Homer learned something valuable. It's all
> good. Neither of you will need to repeat this
> particular lesson. I hope so, anyway.

i put a harness on him and he seems much more
comfortable with having that held. he simply
cannot be handle-less until he learns things like
come, stay, and to go in his crate.
--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
http://shattering.org
x-no-archive: yes in the headers

-----------------------------------

> i really recommend you find a good trainer

Oh, like HOWE you done for your own fear
aggressive DEAD "RESCUE" dog Homer?

> who is familiar with desensitization and dog-aggression,

Oh, you mean LIKE THIS:

Homer 1994 - 03.01.2007"
brothers and sisters i bid you beware
of giving your heart to a dog to tear

i put homer to sleep yesterday.

it was quite possibly the hardest thing i've ever done.

monday night i was trying to teach him to down using a
food lure. he wasn't getting it, so i put a hand on him to
try to encourage him to down. he attacked me, biting me
twice on the hand, and then when i stood up and backed
away, he came after me more and bit me on the leg as well.

i was shocked and devestated and a hundred other things.

i ended up emailing my trainer (who has turned out to be a
very kind friend) and she called me and i spent an hour on
the phone with her crying. she doesn't deal with aggression
cases, but she listened to me and talked me down. i hardly
slept that night.

tuesday i took homer in to work with me and had the vet
feel his neck. i didn't think it was a reaction due to pain
but i had to check it out. the vet put his hands on the sides
of homer's head and manipulated his head around. homer
didn't show any signs of pain or discomfort. he went
through the motions some more.

homer flipped out, with no warning, extremely violently. it
took him a long time (it felt like a lifetime. it was probably
around 3 minutes) to calm down enough that the vet could
take his hands off of homer without anybody getting hurt.

i went home for lunch and called a behaviorist. i spent a lot
of the day reading the brenda aloff aggression book and the
karen overall behavior book.

that night the behaviorist called me and i told her what had
happened and she asked questions and i answered them as
best i could.

she gave him a pretty poor prognosis.

everything that she said made sense to me, and nothing
she said was earth-shattering or even really anything
that i didn't already know.

this morning i took him in and held him close and cried into
his fur and told him how much i love him and let him go.

he was a dangerous dog. he bit unpredictably and with no
warning. he was a love, a snugglebug, a sweet sweet dog
as long as you didn't do anything he didn't want done. but
if you tried to "make" him do something he didn't want to
do, all bets were off. his reaction could be a snap or it could
be an over-the-top meltdown.

i couldn't live with a dog like that.

i *will not* live with a dog like that.

i've spent the last three days crying my eyes out. i never
imagined i could get that attached to a dog who i had for
all of 12 days and who bit me several times during those
12 days.

but i was. i loved him.

i loved him ferociously, but i had to let him go.

for his sake.

for my sake.

for the sake of luce and mushroom.

i feel horrible. heartbroken. guilty. angry.

and yet i don't regret him, not for one moment,
despite how things turned out.

Replies: 2 comments

i'm sorry, but human aggression is a deal-breaker, especially
unpredictable, unwarned human-aggression. there is too much at stake
and too much to lose.

Posted by e @ 03/26/2007 06:49 AM EST

You were just as unpredictable to Homer.
Shame on you for giving him only 12 days.

-----------------------

> and work with them.

You mean like HOWE you done, elegy?

> how long have you had this dog?

That's IRRELEVENT, elegy. You MURDERED
your DEAD RESCUE dog Homer in less than
two weeks <{}: ~ ( >

"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
news:9a24u2l2msgcoellv...@4ax.com...

> long ago and far away, Darla Vladschyk <Darla4...@Gmail.com>
> did say:
>On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:44:47 -0500, elegy
><el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote:

>> everything is going swimmingly....

> Oh my gosh he's a handsome dude, and I am glad to
> hear that everyone is settling down and settling in!
> Good for you!

thanks. i'm amazed by how quickly he settled in here,
to be honest. i thought it was going to take much longer
for the young dogs to settle down around him.
--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
http://shattering.org
x-no-archive: yes in the headers

02/25/2007: "the new dog."

Last saturday i adopted a 12 1/2 year old mixed breed dog from a local
shelter. my best guess is pit bull x beagle (does that make him a
piggle?). there's definitely beagle in there. anyway, he was at the
shelter because his owners got divorced. it was so cold there and he
was so sad and shivering and it was just terrible. it took me a long
time and several trips to see him before i made a decision, but in
the end, i had to save him.

so homer is here now, 18" at the shoulder, a skinny 37 pounds. he's
doing great. it was a little rocky at the beginning, because the wild
young dogs want to play with him, and he doesn't appreciate their
demolition derby style of play. everybody's getting used to everybody
else though, now, and life is much more peaceful. homer's favorite
thing in the world is the red dog bed in my livingroom.

he's such a great dog. old dogs are so often overlooked in the
shelter, but he's fantastic. he's housebroken, quiet in the crate,
polite on a leash, friendly with people, tolerent of other dogs,
doesn't bark, doesn't chew, just wants to snuggle. i am so glad he's
here.

and he's got cool ears.

------------------

Re: homer bit me :(

"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
news:e71pt2lsdt1ssklla...@4ax.com...
long ago and far away, Mary Healey <mhhea...@iastate.edu> did say:

>elegy <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in
>news:1m6nt2l1m8uiepjg0...@4ax.com:
>> i'm really disappointed in myself, because
>> i wigged out on him for it,

> I'm not sure you should be. Maybe it's because
> I'm used to dogs that'll keep pushing barriers
> just to find the limits (if any), but the bottom
> line is that Homer did something completely
> unacceptable (for whatever good and justified
> reason) and discovered that, yes, there is an
> upper boundary beyond which his new human
> gets a bit testy. That's a good thing for a dog
> of any age to learn.

i worry that he reacted out of fear
and i gave him more reason to fear.

luce is a huge barrier-pusher. i've wigged out
on her a few times, too, and that i don't think
was necessarily a bad thing. but with this guy,
because he's kinda timid and i think kinda
fearful, i feel bad about.

>> i put him in his crate until i calmed down
>> enough to not do anything else stupid.

> Well, see, you learned something valuable.
> Homer learned something valuable. It's all
> good. Neither of you will need to repeat this
> particular lesson. I hope so, anyway.

i put a harness on him and he seems much more
comfortable with having that held. he simply
cannot be handle-less until he learns things like
come, stay, and to go in his crate.
--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
http://shattering.org
x-no-archive: yes in the headers

-----------------------------------

"(38) golden rule of pit bull ownership"

never trust a pit bull not to fight.

we need to remember where these dogs came
from, what image we created them in.

we designed these dogs as the ultimate canine gladiators,
faced them off in combat, selected for those who won.

we humans have been doing this selective dog breeding
thing for a long time. we're good at it.

and the result, with pit bulls, is dogs who will fight to the death,
dogs who will not back down, dogs who fight to win. period. because
it's instinct.

so when we keep multiple dogs together, multiple pit bulls especially,
there's always some risk. it's important to be careful, to be
vigilant, to take precautions, and to accept that there's always the
possibility of something happening and the responsibility of taking
care of it.

my dogs are never together unsupervised. if they're outside, i'm with
them. if i'm not home, they're crated. i'd prefer it be otherwise, but
it's not safe. 99% of the time they're great together. they adore each
other. they snuggle with each other. they play with each other.

but every once in awhile tempers flare. every once in awhile
they have a go at each other. it's never come to anything serious- a
bit of blood, dogs who have had to be separated- but when it was over
it's always been over.

but someday it could be otherwise. people who keep multiple pit bulls
always live with the chance that one day those dogs won't get along,
that one day the winds will change and they'll have two dogs who
cannot be together, period. there are people who make households work
with separated dogs. i don't envy them one bit. it can't be easy.

so i take what precautions i can, stop what fights i can before they
start. i only give extremely valuable goodies like fresh bones when
the dogs are in their crates (used bones are fine loose). i don't
allow humping or any blatant dominance displays. normal behavior?

sure. a big fight trigger? you better believe it. so it doesn't happen
here. because i said so.

and i keep my fingers crossed and hope that we will always have peace
and two puppies piled in my bed at night happily snoring.

Replies: 3 comments

I have to keep mine seperated sometimes, but it's not constant or
definate. If one is having a bad day, they're in one place and the
others are somewhere else.

Posted by dublin___sky @ 07/30/2006 03:47 AM EST

it must suck bigtime.

if it came to that with my dogs, my parents would
probably take mushroom for me, but it'd break my heart.

Posted by elegy @ 07/30/2006 03:40 AM EST

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "K" <CATLOV...@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:24:15 GMT

Subject: why is it

that people think that the things that you think about and tell them
about are never bad enough to be the cause of what you're feeling?

oh he didn't do this or do that. well it means a lot to a two year
old. or a ten year old.

or a mother who denies that things are bad. is it some kind of
competition for sadness? or abandonment? i want someone to tell me
this.

~K, confused and in melancholy

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression

From: "Fiona E. McClellan" <Fio...@altavista.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:14:29 -0500
Subject: Re: why is it

K wrote:
> i jsut want her to listen and actually HEAR me. not who
> or what she wants to hear, but me, me for who i am and
> what's been done to me.

I hear this. I could have written this.

And my mother will probably never hear me.

Fiona
--
If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did
not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so
welcome.-- Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

Newsgroups: alt.support.depression
From: "K" <CATLOV...@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 21:31:34 GMT
Subject: Re: why is it

> I agree, things mean a lot to children, and affect us
> more than we sometimes want to admit. Denial by
> mothers is also very difficult.
>
> It is not a competition, not at all. There is more than
> enough sadness to go around in the world, alas. Your
> sadness is as valid and as important as anyone else's.
> I wish I had more and better words of comfort for you
> today.
>
> But I'm listening and I care.
> Fiona

i just wish things had turned out differently between us.

~K

"elegy" <el...@shatteringDOGPOOP.org> wrote in message
news:adb3u2hndh98cgtm0...@4ax.com...

everything is going swimmingly. the biting issue has been resolved
with a harness, but he's also learning/listening to commands better,
so there's not really much need to physically direct him now, which is
good.

he's sleeping upstairs on a dogbed on my bedroom floor at night
instead of in his crate, he's eating better (though he still takes for
freaking ever) and things have settled down so that it's not such a
three ring circus here. i am grateful.

this morning i invited him up on the bed for a snuggle and he hopped
up, spun around, flopped down, rolled on his back, and gazed at me so
adoringly. i am so glad he is here.

<http://shattering.org/images/homerportrait.jpg>

you know what's funny? i didn't meet him out of the kennel the first
time i saw him because he was humping his blanket non-stop and that
kinda grossed me out. he doesn't hump anything here.

my only gripes about him is that he's a wandering pooper, and that his
nails are so freaking disgustingly long but i can't take more than a
tiny sliver off the ends because his quicks are also so freaking long.

poor guy.

--
And now, each night I count the stars.
And each night I get the same number. (Amiri Baraka)
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-----------------------

SEE? SEE?? SEE???

"Ye shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you mad." -
~Aldous Huxley.

"Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!"
"Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!"
-Friedrich Schiller.

INDEEDY.

AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE!

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Jan 5, 2008, 10:39:04 PM1/5/08
to
HOWEDY WakeBdr,

I'm posting to you directly in response to diddler's reply to your
post advising you to seek a HOWEsHOWELD wiring technician.
diddler is a PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER... she knows
EVERY THING abHOWET dog behavior problems from first
hand EXXXPERIENCE goin through them with her own hyper-
active HOWETA CON-TROLL DEAD an DEATHLY ILL dogs.

diddler and the other posters here are MENTALLY ILL and


desperately need their rest. If you reply to them you'll be
inciting them to go MANIC and possibly require further
HOWEspitalization.

PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB the MENTAL PATIENTS:

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9A1CDD5EA13...@216.196.97.142...

>> This started Thursday evening. My 3.5 year old Boykin Spaniel
>> will not sit still or sleep. She keeps pacing around like she's deathly
>> afraid of something.

>> It's absolutely killing me to see her like this.


>> Anyone got any ideas of what might cause something like this?
>

> You might get your house wiring checked?

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin


animal murderin punk thug coward active accute chronic

life long incurable malignant mental case and backyard
puppy miller and professional dog training FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST,

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9A1C6449F34...@216.196.97.142...
> Shelly <scouv...@yahoo.com> spoke these words of wisdom in news:flo4mc
> $m99$1...@registered.motzarella.org:
>>
>> Yes. But in this situation, "leave it" would have been even better.

You mean INSTEAD of simply TRAININ the dog not to TAKE STUFF?

>> I wouldn't have let Harriet pick up something like that in the first
>> place, much less allowed her to keep it. But, then, I've seen a dog
>> I cared about die from perforated intestines,

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Seems there's a lotta THAT goin arHOWEND here <{}: ~ ) >

>> and I don't intend to ever to it again, if there's
>> anything I can do to keep it from happening.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

THAT AIN'T LIKELY TO HAPPEN.

>> I also wouldn't keep a dog in my home whose mouth I
>> couldn't take things out of. Even disgusting, tasty things
>> like bones.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

> Having had Tuck almost die of perforated stomach
> and intestines from a 2 1/2" wing tip,

Naaaah? Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE all them other
DEATHLY ILL dogs of yours swallHOWED STUFF an
nearly DIED an needed abdominal surgery, diddler?

> I plan on never risking going there again.

That so? Oh, you mean like HOWE you JUST DONE with
Cappy eatin the HORSE SHIT an gettin an intestinal blockage?

> Of course, that was not my choice of action at the time either.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

YOU'RE A FRAUD <{}: ~ ( >

And NHOWE, on to the GOOD STUFF!

And THEN, through the MAGICK of INSANITY, SELF
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Archives, diddler the shit stain smeared on the walls with
her finger dipped in bloody poop:

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E154DAFFD...@216.196.97.142...

A dog trainer must succeed. By nature, "Command" mentality
makes dog trainers a curmudgeonly lot. The deeper a dog
behavior digs in, the more willing a good trainer is to do
what it takes to uproot the undesired behavior.

This willingness to tackle what results in a battle of wills
is well pronounced in dog trainers. And if you think that's
something, try horse trainer lists, where the ante is upped X
1000 pounds and poor results can KILL you!

However, "nice little horsey " types are rarely successful
in horse training and rather self extinguishing bringing
about more moderation in established techniques.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

LIKE THIS:

I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

"Cappy the beagle killed one of my ducklings today.
Tuck grabbed a leg, and swallowed a leg and thigh
before I could get him.

a month ago, he almost died from swallowing a
chicken wing. Now I'm sweating all over again.

I think he's never going to be allowed out ever
again without a muzzle! (he seems alright thus far.

Re: Tuck's SAR experience

"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns982D2E8...@216.196.97.142...

I just came in from putting chickens to bed, and Tuck
had my computer keyboard on the floor, and there are
now two keys missing.

Ornery git

-------------

Re: Just scheduled blood test--Zipper too

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns99056C3...@216.196.97.142...

> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jb...@ptd.net: "MauiJNP"
> <jmh1...@ptd.net> whittled the following words:
> in thread news:IeqdnZChtN4RX5jb...@ptd.net: "MauiJNP"

<jmh1...@ptd.net> whittled the following words:

> Seems to me, that should be a standard question for
> any pet having any problems at this time.

I took Tuck in last Wednesday to the vets because two weeks
before, he had chewed some old treated lumber. Knowing that
treated lumber used to be treated with Arsenic, and he ate a
substantial amount, I took him into the emergency clinic and
they treated him for arsenic poisoning.

A week later, he still had a raw stomach, esophagus and stomach
(revealed by endoscopy). He was treated with buffers, and antibiotics
to prevent infection of the inflamed tissues. Wednesday, still not
right, but improving, I took him back in for a recheck.

The first thing the vet did, was ask what foods I was feeding.
Which I understood why, but felt considering his current history,
was rather a unnecessary question. I felt we pretty much knew
what was going on with him.

Since he was greatly improved, we decided not to do another
endoscopy and just watch him. He's 100% back to normal.
Hope Cali is too.

------------

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
News:Xns993C52B...@216.196.97.142...

My dogs aren't into beer that much.
But they sure love Horse poop!

"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns98696E8...@216.196.97.142...

I've scorned your counter surfing dog all these years. I just
discovered this morning,I had one also. I was slicing Beef
tongue (remember the tongue table re: tribute to Cate's
mom?) and I left it on the counter,while I went to read email.

I suddenly saw movement in the kitchen and there was
Tuck scarfing down 7 pounds of sliced tongue. Oh my
goodness gracious, where did he put all of that?

ANYWAY... I owe you an apology.

humiliated in Ohio
diddy

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"diddy" <d...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97F28C17046...@216.196.97.142...
On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0500, diddy <d...@diddy.net> wrote:

my new puppy, Tuck, grabbed a raw chicken wing and
wolfed it down on sunday. He's been in the hospital daily,
admitted sometimes, and home montored others.He's been
supported supported daily by fluids, hoping he would pass
it, but he's destabilizing fast, and has just gone into surgery
to have it removed from his stomach, and his intestines have
intuscepted from being empty for so long, and they need
surgery also.

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: diddy <d...@whoops.I.said.WHAT?>
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:51:33 -0500

Subject: Re: Disaster plans for dog owners

We left Reka outside, Mr beeegs crated, Taya in the
house.. because Reka plays when Taya doesn't want
to, and Danny came with me. I forgot Taya counter
surf'd. I had 3 sticks of summer sausage sitting on the
table that I was going to give away.

When I came home, all three sticks were gone, with
only the paper skins left that I'd wrapped them with.
Taya had eaten over 5 POUNDS of summer sausage!

I just had to laugh, because otherwise, I'd have cried.

diddy
---------------

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Here's MORE of diddler's LIES, INSANTIY, and ABUSE:

"diddy" <d...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95D87E1...@216.196.97.142...

> in thread news:XxUDd.1053$ef6...@fe39.usenetserver.com:
> "Sarah" <glyce...@alltel.net> whittled the following words:
> > Anyone have any suggestions for a golden (1yr old)
> > who won't stop retrieving my son's toys, especially
> > stuffed animals.

> I have an elkhound that does this all day long.
> I simply --take it from her, put it on my desk,
> and give her a cookie and tell her "THANK YOU"
> She never stops either ;)

IOW, you got THE SAME PROBLEM and NO METHOD, eh diddler?

> I have a 12 week old puppy, he's retrieving, tracking
> (limited), getting slippers for me, I play scent games
> with him (the old shell game, treat under cups game),
> He's learning to search for toys, and knows they are
> worth far more when redeemed to me,

Yeah:

"As a result, my desk top looks like a disaster area,

Duh? You need a EXXXCUSE?

"and when I can't find my monitor any more, I take a
huge sweep of the arm and knock them all on
the floor."

And do it again...

"Then she goes to work picking them all up again,
insuring that NOTHING ever touches the floor."

Yeah...

"I feel blessed."

INDEEDY!

"I used to have TWO compulsive retrieving elkhounds"

You mean you COULDN'T STOP THEM from STEALIN STUFF.

"working overtime!"

IN FACT, you CAN'T STOP THEM.

That's what the OP wanted to learn HOWE to do, diddler.

REMEMBER?

"Ahhhh for those days again!"

You been takin your anti psychotic medications, diddler?

"I want the original back!"

You got it, diddler.

"A full desk means I'm loved."

No, a full desk means your dogs are hyperactive
and obsessive compulsively bringin you stuff on
accHOWENT of YOU DON'T KNOW HOWE
TO TRAIN THEM NOT TO.

> than they are as treasures hidden under a bed.

OR maybe like your vet's office kitty locked in a crate?

> We spend time working on heeling, sits, downs, prolonging
> the stay, stand for exam, and walking in the woods off leash,
> introducing him to wildlife, so that he doesn't have such
> intense curiosity that he forgets to listen.

Oh! You mean like your "TRACKING" dog Danny?

You had to surgically sexually mutilate IT to stop IT
from "gettin distracted" in the field from his
"TRACKIN WORK". REMEMBER diddler?

> I take him out in the barnyard aand allow him to chase
> chickens, and the rabbits (on a cord) so that I can check
> him,

You mean jerk and choke IT, don't you, diddler.

> and teach him "LEAVE IT" and am able to re-enforce it.

Ahhh! THAT'S HOWE COME dogs STEAL STUFF when YOU
AIN'T THERE to JERK an CHOKE them <{); ~ ) >

> He can be in full pursuit, and when I yell
> "LEAVE IT" he instantly stops chase.

But YOU CAN'T TRAIN IT NOT TO DO THAT in the first place!

> The barnyard has interesting smells and
> tastes, "leave it" becomes useful.

You mean, when you CAN'T TRAIN YOUR OWN DOG
NOT TO DO STUFF IT SHOULDN'T DO, ain't THAT
correct, diddler?

> He has a very reliable "Leave it" and recall.

So long as you're ABLE TO HURT HIM when he don't listen.

> Becaause he does..

INDEED?

> at 12 weeks, he's already reliable off leash.

Yeah, THAT'S NORMAL for a PUPPY. Wait till IT
is eight months old, you'll NEVER be able to
CON-TROLL IT witHOWET your SHOCK COLLAR <{); ~ ) >

> He's met many strange dogs, and knows to stand
> steady or come to me, if other dogs rush him.

BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

> I'm saying this, because at 12 weeks, he's already
> grasped these skills. I've turned his desire to play
> chase me (which stealing the slippers is a form of)
> into bring to me. I've become his personal entertainment
> director.

You're a MENTAL CASE diddler.

> If a puppy of 12 weeks can grasp these things,

You mean SHOES and barnyard chickens, diddler?

> a dog that is already picking up objects, can be
> reversed in a short time to bring them to you instead.

That so? You mean by throwin a can of pennies
at IT while "wavin a stinkin dead macrel under
his nose withHOWET LETTIN HIM SEE IT", diddler?

> Your dog is obviously hungry for some sort of game
> and mental stimulation. TRAIN him, and satiate that
> desire, and redirect that intelligence to be beneficial
> and entertaining to you both (as well as useful to you).

The original poster was lookin to TRAIN HIS DOG NOT TO
STEAL SHOES, not develop a GAME to enterTRAIN hisself.

> He's asking for mental stimulation. Give it to him, on
> YOUR terms. He sounds like a dog that has a lot going
> for him, with a lot to offer.

Oh? You mean like tearin your vet's office kitty kat to
shreds through the crate or do you mean like that DEAD
DOG you shot for eatin garbage, diddler?

Here's diddler's SUCCESS trainin her own dog not to
bark whine an cry all night:

diddy (d...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Oh My God
Date: 2002-01-16 13:39:59 PST

Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is
fascinated by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and
listen to them howling. I brought her in, and she spent
the night franticly and desperately demanding to go out.

After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
securely in a horse stall for the night.

She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.

At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
was not going to be tolerated.

This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
(normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
(not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
confinement.)

I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.

That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
and corresponding coyote breeding season.

Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.

I had her at the vets office this morning before he
opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
up with huge air pockets.

Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
because she was chewing it. That would explain EVERYTHING.

The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
it works its way through.

Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
afford. I will manage.

Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
--
diddy

----------------

in thread news:Xns9911B87B34904s...@207.115.33.102:
Shelly
<scouv...@yahoo.com> whittled the following words:

> diddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9911B70...@216.196.97.142:
>
>> Lynn was making predictably stupid moves well beyond the day it
>> happened. Any sentient being could see what was coming from her
>> posts. THINK: UHOH, This isn't going to be pretty. And I'm not
>> clairvoyant!
>
> So she's not allowed to screw up? But you are? What's obvious
> to you or to me or to the lamp post is not necessarily obvious
> to someone who is in the thick of things. Yes, I think she
> screwed up--multiple times--and that in a perfect world, it would
> have been avoidable. But she's allowed to make mistakes. If you
> don't like me bringing up the Reka incident every damned time you
> bitch about someone fucking up, then you might want to consider
> how it makes you feel, and by extension, how it makes other people
> feel when you do the same thing to them. This *should* be a
> learning experience for you.

I wouldn't have done the Reka incident any differently, UNLESS
I knew before hand that she had swallowed tarp strings. Had I
known that , she would have been to the vet long BEFORE.. in
fact, as soon as it was discovered.

You bring it up, because you think it bugs me. It does not bug
me that I'm not clairvoyant. Not a bit. In fact, if you want to
bring it up time and time again (30 times a day if you wish) I
get the chance to explain it..

and the obvious. You are nuts and have to dig to find something
to twist and turn because you just can't find a knife.

-------------------

Subject: Re: While I'm Here: Pitt Bull Guarding House

in thread news:Xns9911A9780EB25s...@207.115.17.102:
Shelly <scouv...@yahoo.com> whittled the following words:

> diddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9911A2E...@216.196.97.142:
>
>> The gun shop is heated/carpeted and even has a chandelier.
>> Perhaps it's only vile because it has guns in it, right?
>
> Except when she was banished to the barn. But the point
> is that you made a mistake--one of biggest ones I've seen
> since I started lurking here. You assumed your dog was
> misbehaving, and you punished her for it, when the very
> first thing you should have done was to consider a medical
> cause for her change in behavior.
>
> Everyone makes mistakes, yet you hold other people
> to a higher standard than yourself.
>
> That's hypocritical.

I had no reason to believe she had a medical issue.

NONE.

She behaved that way the night before in the presence of
Coyotes. She came back in the house during the day, ate,
drank, played normally. There were no signs of stress.

NONE.

Then when the coyotes came out the following evening, the
whole scenario restarted. It was colder that night, so
rather put her in the horse barn where I could hear her.

I put her in the gun shop where it was warm.

I don't think that was a mistake any more than your
letting Elliot layin a pool of blood the day he died.

-------------------

HOWE COME you didn't just TRAIN your "LEAVE IT" command?:


"The barnyard has interesting smells and
tastes, "leave it" becomes useful."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9839861...@216.196.97.142...

> in thread news:m1s5g2lsio01rsk9i...@4ax.com: Janet B
> <j...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> whittled the following words:

> Curious how many choose to crate a dog forever,
> whenever they leave the house and/or overnight,
> or how many choose to wean from household
> crate usage (usage being shutting the dog in the
> crate, not the dog choosing to hang out there) at
> some specific ages or maturity levels.

> Not for how long during a workday, but how
> long for a dog's lifespan?

I plan on crating Tuck whenever NOT supervised
(which isn't often.. he usually is with me) Until the
day that he quits tearing apart everything in sight
when I leave the room.

A dog proof room doesn't work.

He's figured out door knobs. He's figured out cupboards,
and he loves to tug open dresser drawers. He's not
interested in anything left out in the open.

He's into treasure hunting, figuring anything worth
secreting away is worth his effort discovering. He's
discovered the sock stash is in drawers.

Trash cans? --not interested.
Counter tops? --not interested
Counter tops -with food? --not interested
Dog food sitting on the floorin open bags? --not interested

razor blades from bathroom drawers? ... Very cool stuff!

Mom really gets bent too!

nope.. His crate is going to be occupied for
some time to come.

As for the beagle.. She's never been trustworthy.

She's getting senile and never will be trustworthy,
so a crate is in her future until she crosses the bridge.

Reka, no crate at no time, She lost her crate when she was
5 months old. Both Tuck, and reka hangout in crates by choice.

Reka dens in the bathtub usually. (kind of a crate) But she
likes the beagles vantage point, because the beagles crate
is on top of Tuck's. Right next to the window so she can see
out. Tuck prefers the compartment with a view as well.

I always have to vacate him (even though the crate on top is
too small for both elkhounds, it's their preferred lookout)
when I wantto stick in the beagle.

Reka sleeps under the bed at night or in the bathtub at night
if it's really hot. She sleeps in the bathtub by day when not
watching from the penthouse suite.

Tuck is not crated at night, and has chosen to sleep in
the closet. The beagle holds down the couch, night and day.

--------------

SEE?

HOWEver, it just keeps on gettin BETTER!:

Subject: Re: hyper puppy - normal?

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns981CA5B...@216.196.97.142...
> in thread news:84slk3y...@ripco.com:
>t...@toddh.net (Todd H.) whittled the
> following words:

> "brittany" janha...@gmail.com> writes:
>> Thanks. She is a Brittany Spaniel. I yelp like
>> a puppy when she does it and sometimes that
>> works - sometimes she keeps after it though.
>> A swat on the nose or holding her snout
>> closed as I say "no bite" - will either of those
>> be okay to do if she keeps at it?
>
> There are schools that say a 9wk old puppy is too
> young to be held accountable for their actions, so
> I'm not sure I'd crank up harsh corrections on them.
> A swat on the nose may be in that realm at this
> point. Holding the snout closed is more appropriate
> with the "no" correction at this point if you ask me.

Puppys ARE accountable for their actions, and if
you don't start teaching them, when WILL they be
accountable?

Tuck was housebroken at 6 weeks old. And he had
already learned not to mouth people. WHY? Because
I taught him. (In the very same Method Jack Morrison
had already prescribed. It works) I do agree the poor
pup should not be face swatted.

In the same vein, I'm going to steal Jack's comments
about the Bigotry of low expectations. If you don't
believe a dog can do something, they surely can't.

------------------------

THAT SO?

Subject: Re: The kind of mess uneducated breeders are making

No idea what he is. He's supposed to be part chow, but he
looks more aussie/duck tolling retriever to me than anything
with a pomeranian tail.

His facial animations are hilarious, you can see the wheels
turning, and he's very engaging. The down side is, a kid from
next door came over and pulled his ears, and he bit the kid on
the face resulting in a $300,000 plastic surgery.

I have a zero tolerance for dog bites, and would normally
put a dog that did that down, but this dog was the victim
here.

----------------

diddler wrote:

I think paper training is ALWAYS a bad idea if you ever plan
on expecting them to potty outside. It makes the process harder.

I suggest crate training her, so she can be managed in between
potty periods. After she goes outside successfully, she can then
have supervised free time until she's due for another potty interval.

Take her out if she doesn't go, crate her, and offer her frequent
trips outside until she's successful. No bedding in the crate.

When she nips, don't play any more.I'd crate her for rough play.
I also press athumb intheir soft palate, and let them" TRY" to
spit me out. They soon enough learn that I am something they
do NOT want in their mouths

-------------

Subject: Re: Dog Noses in weird places.

Tuck was in a variable surface test last may.
It was hot (relatively.. it would be a pleasant
day compared to today)

Tuck found the first shade and quit.

Thus, he failed.

I had an opportunity to allow him
to finish the track, and he did so.

The tracking committee was unaware that there was
also a Homeland security disaster preparedness drill
that day on the same site that was Tucks track, so
he had to deal with National Guard, police, fire,
and ambulance services thronging around the school.

The throngs never rattled him, but the heat did.

He tracked right through the crowds, and laid down
in every shady spot he found. One time he crawled
under a police car parked along side the road.

The track layer nodded, and said.. that's where I walked.
Except Tuck had to be encouraged to come out, because He
found relief there.

-----------------

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Subject: Re: untrainable beagle! NEED HELP

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9834C98...@216.196.97.142...

> in thread news:BO2Lg.4755$xV....@twister.nyroc.rr.com: "graham
> fandango!" <gme...@maine.rr.com> whittled the following words:
>
> i have a ten year old beagle who i got from the animal
> shelter 5 years ago. its pretty clear he was abused in
> some form before he ended up in the shelter; when ever
> i reach for something, like the tv remote, too quickly he
> flinches. he gets scared when i sweep the kitchen floor
> and hides under the bed.

I have one too. I don't know her past history,or her age.

I use an antibark collar on her for my sanity. She's very
quiet, until I take it off. It doesn't train her not to bark,
because she barks when the collar is off. (beagles "Do
that")

There may not even be batteries in it, but she doesn't
bark... just in case.I'd supervise the first time you try
it, because I've heard of some dogs barking, and going
so spazzy over them that they died.

I really don't think you are going to train a dog that
age, especially a beagle, NOT to bark. I see your
options as being:

1) anti-bark collar
a)citronella
b)electronic
c)bark buster (your neighbors will
probably complain asmuch about
that as the howlng)
2) surgical debarking
3) placing the dog and accepting the consequences
4) moving

------------------------

BWEEEEAAAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

MOORE FUN W/DIDDY and what DANNY and
TAYA (with heelp from TOBY) did with the Vet's
OFFICE KITTEN after they got home from RUNNING
AWAY BUT DIDN'T CROSS A STREET!:

DIDDY ON CATS (shoot, don't trap)

From: diddy
(d...@nospam.diddy.net)
Subject: Re: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST

Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for a
couple days for school education on pet care and safe
handling as well as responsible pet ownership.

I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a crate
and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well as Taya
and Toby tore that kittne to threads from between the
crate bars. (apparently he stuck his paws through the
crate to bat at the dogs. I was out doing yard work
and rushed in to find the little kittens pieces and
parts being torn through by ALL the dogs.

I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I screamed
displeasure, and stalked out with the kitten. Danny, et
al spent 3 days in a kennel until I finally felt like I
could interact with them without doing bodily harm. All
three dogs were never touched, but knew they had done
something so unspeakable that I wouldn't associate with
them and they got banished.

To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and Danny
will not look at a cat. When confronted with one,
Danny wees himself and cowers hiding behind me
for help.

I'm not saying this would work this way with all dogs,
But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she has
never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is there
all the time, unsupervised, and has no interest in
harming the cat.

-----------------------

DIDDY AND THE DOBERMAN WHO BLED
TOO MUCH for her OWN GOOD:

> It's explained on the AKC website. And I'm very sorry to
> hear this. I too had a dog that I wanted to finish

Oh, here's one you finished alright, you finished her real
good because she made you late for work after you cut her
ears off.

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:03:37 -0400
From: diddy <d...@nospam.diddy.net>
Organization: bright.net Ohio
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

> Patch wrote:
> There is a detailed explanation of the pain side of things
> in the report I mentioned to Lone. If I can get the new
> lead for my scanner [hopefully today], would you like me to
> e-mail it to you so you have the veterinary
> view of it ?

I someone crops ears, I feel it's for hygenic methods
as well as aesthetics. I'm not saying cropping is not
painful, taking two dobermans through cropping (one with
von Willebrawns.. and THAT was ugly -- and I finally put
her to sleep at one year old because I kept coming home
from work finding my house in a bloodbath every time I
came home from work, and was told I was going to get
fired for absentee if I continued to miss work in the
afternoons after coming home for lunch, and having to
run the dog to the vet.

The mental stress of dealing with such a dog was unreal,
dealing with the unknowns of what she was going to do next
(tear a nail, puncture herself, bruise herself.. the
emergencies she created for herself were unreal)She also
kept catching her dew claws on things, and I finally had
them removed.

---------------------------

From: diddy <none>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:00:29 -0600
Local: Sun, Nov 11 2007 1:00 pm
Subject: And then there were......

I was prepared a few hours ago to post there were now
only two dogs. But after a trip to the Dayton Emergency
clinic, we are now only $200 poorer and brought home a
very torb'ed up beagle.

We estimate the beagle to be about 14.

This morning she had severe abdominal distress. Pacing,
whining, and crippling spasm, accompanied with the most
pitiful moans and groans you ever heard.

My husband said, if it's serious (LOOK HERE.. ANY PAIN OF
THAT MAGNITUDE IS SERIOUS!) we weren't going to fix it, we
would simply put her down. But she got out yesterday, and
indulged in a buffet of horse meadow muffins.

She may be impacted, and it might pass.

I told him she's in pain, and transient or not, we
have to do something about the pain while we
wait to see if the issue resolves or not.

So the vet said, if you aren't fixing it. Let's juice her
up on Torbugesic, healthy doses of antibiotics, with reglan
to move things along. We just treated everything. So if
there is improvement, we will assume fixable. If not.. I
will write that "And then there were two" post.

to be continued.....

Monday, November 12, 2007 7:39 AM
Beagle Report

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E64DEAB16...@216.196.97.142...

Thank you everyone for your well wishes. Cappy woke
up this morning, bright, hungry and seems entirely
normal. Whatever it was, seems to have passed.

----------------------

Well, NOT REALLY after all...

>>> Thanks for asking. Yesterday was touch and go.

Yeah? As opposed to "bright, hungry and
seems entirely normal" on Monday mornin?:

Monday, November 12, 2007 7:39 AM
Beagle Report

>>> She went to the vet Sunday/Monday/Tuesday for ramped
>>> up Torbugesic. As long as she was doped, things went
>>> pretty well. When it wore off, things went down from
>>> there.

What happened? Did she eat more POOP?

>> What a nightmare. In fact it brought back the panic
>> I went through with Champ when he got blocked after
>> eating cat litter years ago.

Naaaah?

Oh, you mean JUST LIKE HOWE your other dogs Tuck,
Reka and Danny swallowed CRAP like your veterinarians
OFFICE KITTY, an nearly DIED?


"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
News:Xns993C52B...@216.196.97.142...

My dogs aren't into beer that much.
But they sure love Horse poop!

----------------

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAA~!

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E8E7772AF...@216.196.97.142...
> Terri <Te...@micron.net> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns99E8D0E...@130.133.1.18:
>
>> diddy <none> wrote in news:Xns99E8E49A559...@216.196.97.142:
>>
>>> Terri <Te...@micron.net> spoke these words of wisdom in
>>> news:Xns99E8CD58...@130.133.1.18:
>>>
>>>> How's Cappy?

diddler might have to MURDER him like HOWE she done
Danny and had the same RESULTS terri done when she
MURDERED her DEAD DOG Mojo <{}: ~ ( >

diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

BWEEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99E67073329...@216.196.97.142...

> Shelly <scouv...@yahoo.com> spoke these words of
wisdom in news:fh9qdj $717$2...@registered.motzarella.org:

> I wonder if the screaming was just her coming
> out of the drugs, and nothing to do with pain?

No she was pain, because you could see her cringing.

And she just passed one big solid rock hardball.. so I
think she was just constipated. I think there are more
to come, and since i posted, she's still whimpered a few
times, I think this was a blockage issue and the reglan
moved things along.

We weren't going to operate if it was a blockage.

We simply would have put her down.

Well When Cappy was sick last week, my husband said,
she's old, she's not worth anything, and we aren't going to
put the money into saving her that you would put into your
dogs. We just aren't going to fix anything.

HUH?

Well I can understand not giving her a kidney transplant
if she needed one... but look it.. she's in pain.

Him: wait and see if she gets over it.

Me: She's in pain

Him: Well I'm not going to go out and shoot her, if she
can just pass this thing she swallowed.

Me: She's in pain.

Tuck finally demanded that I take care of her, and I told
my husband, I was taking her to Dayton Emergency Hospital...
because she's in pain. I won't fix anything, but we ARE doing
pain management while we see if she recovers or not.

So i shamed him into going, and the vet treated her for a
bunch of potential problems, and we diagnosed nothing.

Three days later, three consecutive Emergency vet visits and
$600 poorer, and one better beagle... We both agree, it isn't
about what a dog is worth, it's about basic needs. We now have
a very expensive old beagle, and she feels like she was worth
every penny. So do I. I've never even had any emotional
investment in the dog. But she doesn't deserve to suffer.

We won't ever fix anything on her.. but she's entitled to her
comfortable place holding down the couch, and living pain
free until her time comes.

This time was not her time.

We both learned a lesson over this beagle. My husband learned
that it's not about worth. Every life has worth. If you take
responsibility for a life, it then takes on a value.

You have made a contract with that life for food, shelter,
and at the very basic level... a life without unreasonable
pain.

My husband learned something about me. Even though i have
never made a commitment to that dog, i have now, because
she was not allowed to live under my roof in pain.

I learned something about that beagle. Even though we have
both shared the same roof for probably 5-6 years, and I
never recognized her as our beagle, but more the beagle that
came, and stayed, and her owners never came looking for her,
It just occurred to me, that she's ours NOW.

And i share your sentiments about being appalled at what some
people consider basics, others consider luxuries. I can make
a living (and DO) on the stuff my wealthy neighbors across the
street throw away.

My son's father in law and I were sitting at the table cutting
up a deer this afternoon. And were discussing the same thing..
Basic NEEDS, and WANTS, and distinguishing the difference.

To me, a luxury is paying my dialup internet. I can live
without the internet. The internet to me is an indulgence
but very cheap entertainment. We were laughing about his
daughter's (My daughter in laws) compulsion to shop, and
her lack of recognition to tell the difference between
NEED and want.

And there is a Chasm between the two.

Obviously a roof over my head is a need to me. But people
survive on the streets homeless. Therefore, even then my
definition of NEED becomes a luxury.

If you stop and think about it, even living a very bare
bones existance is pretty luxurious. I am a lavish
spender. I have pets. nuff said.

NOT QUITE, diddler:

diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM

Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors

in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijq...@4ax.com:
Paula <mmmtobler...@earthlink.ent> whittled the following
words:

> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.

For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.

There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's

"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.

Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.

In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.

TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.

--------------------

You mean, LIKE THIS?:

HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life long
incurable malignant mental case and backyard PUPPY MILLER /
professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns99D5A96165C...@216.196.97.142...
> ceb <ce...@nospam.virginia.edu> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:Xns99D59F74643E5...@128.143.2.66:
>> IIRC, we used a version of this method in obedience class
>> for Zoe and Queenie. It was usually a long leash, and it
>> helped to enforce the come, mainly by getting their attention.
>> Of course, after they did come, we gave them a treat and
>> praised them to the skies.
>>
>> The dogs had already learned sit and stay, but sometimes
>> their eyes would drift and it could be hard to get their
>> attention.
>
>> Eventually we learned to have them come without the leash,
>> but almost everything was done on- leash to start with.

> ceb, We teach the recall on a long lead in obedience classes also.

That so, diddler?

> We had a dog leave the building once, and for
> liability reasons, we use a long line..

Oh? What happened? Did your idiot imbecile son leave the
door open like HOWE he done your front gate an let your
dogs escape an get whacked by a car AGAIN?:

"I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open."

> In fact, I belong to 3 obedience dog clubs,
> and all three teach the recall on a long line.

That so, diddler?

> And if I had a dog that didn't come, I would be
> teaching my dog that way at home too.

That so, diddler?

> I've never needed to,

Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA you just SHOCK your dog
when IT blows you off, ain't that correct, diddler?

LIKE THIS:

"When Tuck was a little guy, all of a sudden he started blowing
me off on recall. Yes, Yes i did, put him on a remote collar. It
took one time (he hadn't established a pattern yet) and it fixed
the problem. When I call, he doesn't even think about it. he turns
and is on the run.

I think a dog should have a sound recall base before doing the
remote trainer. As he ran the other direction, I upped the stim
a level, it took twice in one training session and NOT coming
has never been a thought since."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!

"And if I had a dog that didn't come, I would
be teaching my dog that way at home too. I've
never needed to,"

That so, diddler?

> but since the OP is having issues, your advice is spot on.

Oh, you mean, LIKE THIS, diddler?:

diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed, and
those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

ALL ABOARD~!

BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

"I would not allow that behavior AT ALL. Inconsistancies
are going to come back and bite you. I don't understand
how, you as a trainer, don't comprehend this.

Having a 100% reliable dog does not
EVER allow for mitigated circumstances.

A well-trained dog is a lifestyle.

You teach a dog to LEAVE it. A dog should be
taught to obey. I can call any of my dogs off
in full chase and ask them to drop anything
they are doing, and they will.

I think that should be expected of any breed,
and those who do not teach "leave it" fundementals
atre missing the boat"

Here's diddler TRAININ her neighbor's dog
to stay HOWETA her garbage:

"My Husband Shot A Dog That Had Been Tearing
Up Trash Up And Down Our Road For Years Making
An Unbelievable Mess. When We Finally Killed The
Culprit, The Whole Road Cheered," diddler.

From: diddy (d...@diddy.net)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Date: 2002-11-08 07:00:27 PST

I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way
I would react. There would be none left standing
to deal with the threat just in case.

If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.

Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If
someone is feeding his dog outside, his own
dog might not mean THAT much to him.

If he was feeding his dog outside though, many
dogs are food aggressive, and that could most
certainly spark a dog aggression thing.

(and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what
was it doing in his yard?)

I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my
horses and called him to help me find it. I would
do the same for threatening my dog.

My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
trash up and down our road for years making an
unbelievable mess.

When we finally killed the culprit, the whole road
cheered. Animal control had never been able in
years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....
and it had been shot at by MANY of the neighbors,
but it never frightened it off enough to keep it from
NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)

----------------

From: diddy <d...@diddy.net>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK

Cate wrote:

> "Jeff Harper" <dummyaddr...@doplay.com> wrote in message
> news:aqgn8c$9ss69$1...@ID-102001.news.dfncis.de...

> > | My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
> > | trash up and down our road for years making an
> > | unbelievable mess. When we finally killed the
> > | culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control
> > | had never been able in years to catch this critter.
> > | (we think it was feral it was certainly unkempt
> > | enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
> > | MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened
> > | it off enough to keep it from NOT tearing up the
> > | road the next trash day)

> > Y'all take killing dogs pretty lightly. I'd have tolerated
> > the trash problem before I would have killed the dog.

> No kidding.

> > But putting up with it wouldn't have been necessary.
> > The trash could have been better secured and the
> > problem would have been resolved.

> Yep. Where's the condemnation of the people not
> securing their trash. Especially since, IIRC, this is
> the country we're talking about.
>
> Cate

They were in the standard Rumpke plastic
waste containers they MUST be in.

If you are upset I advise you to keep your dogs at home.

As i repeated before, the time Danny and Taya got loose,
for all the dangers they faced out there, cars, disease,
coyotes, etc, the most immediate danger they were in,
was being shot.

This is why I immediately started canvassing the area
with full color door to door handouts emblazoned with
REWARD. DO NOT SHOOT these dogs across the top.

I knew every second they were loose, they were in grave
danger of being shot. At that time, Our dog pound was
on 20/20 for being one of the worst in the country (it's
not now, it's a modern model facility) i WANTED my
dogs there.

It meant they weren't out there being shot.

They would throw dogs in pens of 10-20 dogs, In spite
of the dirt and filth, if they got there, I had a chance
of recovery.

Roaming in this area is a very bad thing,
and people WILL shoot dogs.

Happens all the time.

If you like your dog, you keep it home.

A persons personal animals are more valueable to
them than your animal you don't think enough of
to keep at home.

--------------

LIKE THIS:

From: diddy <d...@nospam.diddy.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:30:27 -0500
Local: Wed, Mar 6 2002 8:30 am
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"

(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road.... No foot EVER
touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking test once, because the
test crossed a seldom used gravel road. When he reached the road,
a car just happened to go by. He refused to cross the road, and
when I took him by the collar and nudged him, I was Disqualified
for aiding the dog. Danny simply will NOT cross a road.. when he
was intact, not EVEN for a bitch in season.

Now you have a dog that...

WHOOOOPS!

Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.

Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?

Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?

Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
ownership in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?

Stay tuned, fans...

From: Kathy Levee (kle...@zoo.uvm.edu)
> Subject: Off Topic --MISSING DOGS
> Date: 1999/04/14
>
> I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with
> Disney. Parks, but since those of us on this
> newsgroup are from all over the country, I thought
> you would understand this one time intrusion. We
> are desperate to find these dogs....Please, if you
> have any information, contact the e-mail address
> at the bottom of the note. Thank you for your
> understanding.........
>
> Karyl Parks' (aka diddler) dog Danny - Ch. Alpha's
> Decorum (I think that is his correct registered name)
> is missing . For those that have never met Danny -
> he is very special. Both trained for Search and
> Rescue

You'd think her SAR dog could find his own way
back to his own HOWES, provided they ain't gotta
CROSS A ROAD gettin back???

> as well as service dog trained, CDX, etc.

But IT can't find ITS way back to his own HOWES?

> He does all the things that service dogs do

Like run HOWET on his people and not return?

> from opening doors, turning on lights, getting
> clothes and shoes.

You FORGOT MURDERIN the vet's office kitty kat
and escaping and destructively chewing a rug and
gettin locked in a box in an HOWEtbuilding to muffle
his CRYING till he was SHITTIN BLOOD and went in
for intestinal obstruction.

> He is a marvel.

Naaah. You want a MARVEL? **MARVEL** at
that STUPID KAT that PAINICKED when diddler
snared IT in her leg hold STRANGLE / CHOKE
choke trap. She'd have BLUDGEONED IT had IT
not been wearin a collar. Perhaps she was lookin
for a REWARD, bein a SUBSISTANCE hunter
and all.

You call tying the dog to a wall training, diddler,
like HOWE you trained your fence to train your dog?

diddy wrote:

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one, we
> knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
> the fence.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> What we did.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
> Wood ties under gates. A chicken wire apron extending
> out into the yard 12 inches. (hog ringed to the upright
> fencing). We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
> and ground conforming. grass grows right over it, making
> it invisible and easy to mow over. It's tacked down by tent
> stakes every 10 inches. (this is our most considerable
> investment)

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
> rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot. We placed tile
> blocks over the top, because the tent stakes stick up,
> and sometimes get hit by the lawnmower.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
> MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
> fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
> We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke down
> sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence
> is in order, but the system works MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
> at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
> high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
> just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
> to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
> but both needed occassional maintenence.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> What we did.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
> when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
> and erase any identifiable fenceline.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
> foot trolly line that crosses the yard.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
> always worked when immediate repairs or extra
> security is desired.
>
> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
> to the trolly line, whether the containment system
> is currently working or not.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17
> last resort system gets used for the beagle far
> more than I ever expected. It still allows reasonable
> exercise range of area and mobility. The elkhounds
> and the beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest
> piece of mind security ever.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> A trolly tether system is the best for temporary
> containment while discovering where the leak
> is. In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!

> Because she's IMPORTANT to me.I'm proud of her. She
> wasn't competing in anything. But she's an integral part
> of my life, and It never occurred to me NOT to take her.

AS STATED, on accHOWENTA
YOU CAN'T LEAVE HER ALONE.

> No one Inquired about her titles, or lack of.

Hey diddler? Remember when you went over to timmy
aka buzzsaw's and jerked an choked an shocked his
dog till IT couldn't be jerked an choked an shocked
nodoGdameneD more and STILL COULDN'T TRAIN
him not to chase squirrels?

> They remarked that she was a very well behaved,
> well adjusted, nice dog. And that she is. It doesn't
> take a title to prove that. And She's beautiful....
> She's the prettiest Dog I've ever had. She has
> no championship, Nor does she need one to
> acknowledge her beauty. She's Comfort food.

Yeah. And you're INSANE. AND a LIAR.

Here's diddler hurting and murderin
innocent critters for FUN and PROFIT:

> From: diddy (d...@nospam.diddy.net) Subject: Re:
> cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse? Date:
> 2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST

> Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It
> leaped, and tangled itself, and most certainly
> strangulated it's intestines. It had the snare
> pulled tight down to the diameter of a dime (just
> large enough to encircle the spine) around the waist
> area. This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to
> extricate this cat was exceedingly difficult, not to
> mention dangerous. Because I feared damage to the
> intestines and death of the gut, I imagined
> this cat was not likely to survive.
>
> It would have been much simpler to dispatch the
> unfortunate cat and take out the dead body. Instead,
> this cat wore a collar. it deserved a chance, and
> the owner deserved closure. (no id on the collar) .
>
> It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be
> taken to the vet for examination. I will probably
> never know if this particular cat survives the
> experience or not.
>
> People in the area were aware that trapping was
> being done and apparently still let their cats run
> free, both endangered by the traps and by the
> coyotes being targeted that are causing a problem
> with their cat population.
>
> Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not
> have tried to release this hostile cat. Releasing it
> may not have been a kindness, but then... cats
> weren't supposed to be attracted to this type of
> trap, in this position, and then they weren't
> supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this
> situation. If you like your pet, you keep them home.
>
> --------------------------------

Date: December 29, 2006 5:47 AM

Subject: Re: Dog chewing up floors

in thread news:aad9p2hg0aei5nijq...@4ax.com:
Paula <mmmtobler...@earthlink.ent> whittled the following
words:

> I, for one, am glad that the Puppy Wizard comes across
> as a complete loon given what his advice is since it
> makes it less likely that people will take it instead
> of the advice of someone else I think gives better advice.

For the record, The Puppy wizard over-rates himself. But
"his" (tm) methods are pretty much tried and true methods
that trainers have used and some still use today.

There are better methods out there now. But the ones posted
in his manual (now that he has removed the advice to SPIKE
a dog's temperature to dangerous levels) are sound. they work..
no matter what we think of the puppy-wizard and his packaging...
"his methods" <cough> are just as valid as anyone else's

"His methods" can stand some updating, and he definitely
needs to look at some repackaging.

Hopefully others add a slicker delivery to grab attention,
but truthfully, when you look at the cat fights that go on
here, and stand back and watch in perspective, it's rather
hard to determine the sane ones from the lunatics.

In fact, an awful lot of people here come off looking
rather tainted. A person needs to have a good filtering
device to sort out the noise.

TPW just has a problem that's too painfully obvious.

--------------------

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

From: diddy <d...@scared.to.death.with.our.political.situation>

Subject: Separation Anxiety

All this talk of SA. Thios goes way off topic, but it's
SA to the extreme.. but goes both ways. I know Danny has
Separation anxiety. He doesn't do physical damage, he
internalizes it.

Which I wish he wouldn't.

The vets all try to "fix" it and consider it a real problem.

I don't see it that way. I feel physically ill without him.
So it's mutual. I have made sure Reka does not EVER get that
attached. I do not want "our" mutual separation anxiety fixed.

I just take Danny me everywhere, and am honored by his company.

I resent the vets that they consider this a "problem". In fact,
I stole him out of a specialists care that thought the SA should
be fixed right then and there. They kept me out in the waiting
room for five days and nights, while my dog was on the other
side of the door.

He escaped, knowing I would be there for him. He opened, what
they considered inescapable cages, under 24 hour observation.
It takes 2 hands to operate the latch, and apparently he used
a paw and a tongue to break free dragging his intubations and
iv's with him as he burst into the waiting room to be with me.

I burst into tears and was so happy to see him.

The doctors couldn't throw me out of there, because it was
a 24 hour clinic. But they decided his SA was inconducive
to his health. They were going to fix it right then and there.

They ordered that I was NOT to see my dog.

I was deeply resentful of this, and the next time Danny
escaped (and he did) I grabbed him and ran from the clinic.
I called my vet on the 2 hour trip home, and told him I was
on my way home with my dog, and he needed supportive care.

My vet allowed me to stay with my dog.

He had excellent care. Top Notch. But I don't understand why
vets seem to think THEY own the dog while in their care. I
was paying for this.

I don't and never understood how a vet seemed to think they
have the right to keep you from your pet. I would never take
my dog back there. Apparently since he had been passed from
specialist to specialist, this was the only place that could
perform the surgery he needed. But they were totally insensitive
to the emotional needs of both dog and client.

-----------------------

diddler the shit stain scrawled on the walls
with her finger dipped in bloody poop:

I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.

He trashed my horse stall.

He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.

Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.

Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what
it took, before he would stop.

Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.

I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.

Let's just say it was "ugly"

------------------------------

"diddy" <d...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns948C7D0...@216.196.97.132...

I loathe that ear cropping is done. On traditionally ear-
cropped dogs, I LIKE them that way. I wouldn't have a
doberman any other way. I had two dobermans, and thought
their ear croppings brutal. i don't consider tail docking
brutal.

I prefer men circumcised. I guess that's TMI. If my husband
suffered from the procedure, he's gotten over it.

-----------------

DIDDY AND THE DOBERMAN WHO BLED
TOO MUCH for her OWN GOOD

> It's explained on the AKC website. And I'm very sorry to
> hear this. I too had a dog that I wanted to finish

Oh, here's one you finished alright, you finished her real
good because she made you late for work after you cut her
ears off.

Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:03:37 -0400
From: diddy <d...@nospam.diddy.net>
Organization: bright.net Ohio
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior

> Patch wrote:
> There is a detailed explanation of the pain side of things
> in the report I mentioned to Lone. If I can get the new
> lead for my scanner [hopefully today], would you like me to
> e-mail it to you so you have the veterinary
> view of it ?

I someone crops ears, I feel it's for hygenic methods
as well as aesthetics. I'm not saying cropping is not
painful, taking two dobermans through cropping (one with
von Willebrawns.. and THAT was ugly -- and I finally put
her to sleep at one year old because I kept coming home
from work finding my house in a bloodbath every time I
came home from work, and was told I was going to get
fired for absentee if I continued to miss work in the
afternoons after coming home for lunch, and having to
run the dog to the vet.

The mental stress of dealing with such a dog was unreal,
dealing with the unknowns of what she was going to do next
(tear a nail, puncture herself, bruise herself.. the
emergencies she created for herself were unreal)She also
kept catching her dew claws on things, and I finally had
them removed.

---------------------------

Hello diddler,

"diddy" <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in message
news:3CA9DA5C...@nospam.diddy.net...

> Matthias wrote:
> > I don't know what to do anymore.
> > Until about 7 months ago my 9 yo. mix was absolutely fine.
> > But from one day to the other she started waking me up in
> > the morning at around 4:30 to 5am by running around restlessly
> > (hardwood floor) or simply sitting as close as possible to my
> > bed and breathing heavily, almost sticking her tongue in my ear.

He should spray Binaca or citronella in ITS face or lock
his dog in a crate in an outbuilding to muffle its noise.

> > She does that for about an hour - sleep of course is impossible - just
> > to lay down eventually and her falling asleep again. At that point I am
> > sleep deprived and exhausted.

Don't put her out in the barn, that won't muffle the noise.
Put her in a secure out building in a crate and enjoy your peace.

> > I tried anything I could come up with: check the food,
> > check the water, check with the doctor if she's sick,
> > walk her more, walk her later, talk to her, pet her,
> > calm her, command her, nothing helps.

Not to worry. She'll be fine in the outbuilding if she's
locked in her crate. You'll get used to the noise.

> > I have simply no idea what's wrong with her. She does it
> > EVREY night, sometimes for 15 minutes, sometimes for two
> > hours. She never did it when she was younger, and I didn't
> > change anything in her or my life.

No problem. Just don't reward her for her bad behaviors.
Lock her in a crate outside and don't let her out if she's
making noise or you'll spoil her.

> > Please help me to get her (and me) sleeping again.

Just lock her outside in a box and enjoy your beauty rest.

> > Wonko

> Any marked behaviour change, to me indicates
> a trip to the vet is validated.

Unless you just lock the dog in a box in an outbuilding cause
punishing and locking her in the horse stall doesn't work for
barking at nite when your dogs is busting a gut from eating
the barricade you built to protect your garbage.

> I have had dogs panting at my bedside uncharacteristicly.

Yeah. And you punish them for that. And then you locked her in
the horse barn but you could still hear her cry. So you locked
her in another outbuilding in a crate cause she was going manic
with a TWISTED GUT from compulsive destructive chewing cause you
punish choke and intimidate your dogs, diddler.

> We did diagnostics

You waited till she was shittin blood after crying
and barking for three nites in a row, diddler.

> and EVENTUALLY we DID find a physical cause.

Destructive chewing twisted her intestines, and you locked
her out cause you got tired of punishing her so you could rest.

> My one girl had addisons.

And the other had a twisted gut and was crying for three
nites straight in agony, begging you to help her, so you
removed her to an even MOORE remote location.

> My boy had pancreatitis. My puppy had eaten splinters.
> Before that, my boy had bleeding stomach ulcers

Not surprising. These are all a result of
compulsive anxiety disorder syndrome.

> Some took a great deal of testing and expense,

Yeah, took three days of tesing your dog in a box locked
in an outbuilding before the BLOOD WORK came back from
the laboratory in your bathtub. I guess your dog goes to
the bathtub to crap when you won't get outta bed to put
her out cause you'll abuse her if she has an accident,
after all, look what you do to her just for being SICK
because of garbage she's chewed because you drive her
INSANE with your choking and punishment and crating.

> and sometimes specialists to find.

So, you think it requires a scientist to diagnose intestinal
bleeding when your dog starts shtittin blood after ignoring
her crying for three nites straight?

> But in every case of one of my dogs having a changed
> behavior, I have ferretted out the source with veterinary
> help.

Because after three nites of constant agony and crying and
barking, she finally started shittin blood all over your
HOWES and that makes you upset. That's HOWE COME
she shits in the tub, cause she knows you'll abuse her if she
has an accident, diddler.

NO WONDER everyone thinks I'm a liar. NOBODY would believe this.

That's HOWE COME I quote you lying dog abusing Thugs so people
will get wise to you. UNFORTUNATELY, the quotes are so horrendous,
NOBODY believes them unless they can find the original source.

That's HOWE COME I've come in here to identify, expose,
and discredit our lying dog abusing Thugs, like you didddler.

According to our friend diddler you know the dog needs
to go out when they start shittin blood after barking
and crying for three nites straight locked in a crate
in an outbuilding to muffle her crying..

HOWE about that?

---------------

Here's diddler breedin her GENETICALLY DEFECTIVE puppy mill dogs:

From: diddy <di...@diddy.net>
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 08:55:27 -0500
Subject: Re: thunk thunk thunk

Many of us have raised pups without a mother.

Danny's mother was sent back to the breeder that I
leased her from when he was one week old. I don't
think it hurt him any. (long horror story on that..

I leased her, and part of the lease agreement was
that the breeder was to get half the litter. I
did not think she had a suitable temperament to
breed, and thus the breeder wouldn't allow me to
return the bitch until i paid in full.

I kept her for two years arguing why she should NOT
be bred, and finally bred her just so I could send
her back.

She was a top producing bitch.. but a flakehead) But
the reason was that she never got milk. She wasn't
the the role model I wanted for the litter (She was
sound fearful).

The litter went to work with me in a backpack. They
were off the bottle and eating from a pan at 2 weeks.
They were walking at 7 days, and had their eyes open
at nine days.

The entire litter was housebroken at 6 weeks. (Danny
was carrying around his favorite ducky at his 7 days -
-reading notes off the litter development records)

The litter was raised by the Carmen Battaglia Superpuppy
protocol, It was a lot of hard work, and worth it. Keeping
the mother with the litter is recommended, and had it been
most any other Dam, I would have kept her with the litter
in spite of having no milk. I think it turned out pretty well.

-----------------

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA!!

in thread news:Xns9911BCAD793EEs...@207.115.17.102:
Shelly
<scouv...@yahoo.com> whittled the following words:

> diddy <di...@nospam.diddy.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9911BA2...@216.196.97.142:
>
>> I wouldn't have done the Reka incident any differently,
>> UNLESS I knew before hand that she had swallowed tarp strings.
>
> So the difference between you and Lynn is that Lynn
> actually learns from her mistakes. Interesting!

There you go with twisted logic. How did I know
she was in distress and not coyote howling?

you are one twisted sister.

And anyone who agrees with your take on this are
doing so in support of the cabal. You are reaching.

---------------

NOT AT ALL. You'd KNOW if your dog was "coyote
HOWEling" Vs bein DEATHLY ILL in accHOWENTA coyote
HOWEling is a BEHAVIOR PROBLEM and therefore CAN BE
EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY just like ANY
behavior problem, unless of curse, you're a IMBECILE <{}: ~ ) >

Here's more:

Tuck is and has been fighting Pano and HOD since
5 days AFTER his distemper shot. (I had it done at
humane society vaccine clinic) My vet recommends the
distemper shot being given separately. yes,it takes
another trip to the vet.

The distemper shot is well known forcausing vaccine
reactions and even auto-immune response. (well thats
what vaccines DO..is kickin the auto-immune system)

But over loading an immune system can cause unwanted
reactions. In Tuck,it took the form of HOD/PANO.

There has to be some genetic predisposition to auto-immune
response as well. Tuck's Daddy had bad food allergies. (an
auto-immune response) and that should have alerted me toa
predisposition.

But I didn't realize the distemper shot would set off a
change of reactions that will last for one to two years.

My vet says, NEXT year, to be sure to re-vaccinate him with
the same distemper company that manufactured the distemper
shot that he recieved that caused the problem. Make sure he
recieves the distemper shot SEPARATELY from the rest.

Part of his treatment protocal is toFeed him large breed
puppy food (even though he is not a large breed dog) to
slow his growth.

So yes. in answer to your question, I have experienced a
reaction to the distemper shot. Or my dog has.. It's not
the same reaction as you are describing. But yes, I have.

---------------------

BWEEEEAAAHAAAHAAAAHAAAA~!~!~!

Re: [ot] good thoughts please

"diddy" <d...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:Xns97F28C17046...@216.196.97.142...

Robin Nuttall <robi...@mchsi.com> composed these
> thoughts and posted them news:y%cpg.56579$1i1.4784@attbi_s72:
> Paula wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:06:26 -0500, diddy <d...@diddy.net>
>> wrote:
.
>>> my new puppy, Tuck, grabbed a raw chicken wing and
>>> wolfed it down on sunday. He's been in the hospital
>>> daily, admitted sometimes, and home montored others.
>>> He's been supported supported daily by fluids,
>>> hoping he would pass it, but he's destabilizing fast,
>>> and has just gone into surgery to have it removed from
>>> his stomach, and his intestines have intuscepted from
>>> being empty for so long, and they need surgery also.
>
>>> He's lost more than half his body weight in the last
>>> two days. please send a positive thought for him. I
>>> know a lot of you don't like me. but he's not
>>> responsible for his owners behavior.
>
>>> Of course you have all the good thoughts we can
>> muster around here.

> Do we have a report from today yet? I read
> the one where he's a bit better....

His prognosis is really poor, even though his vital signs
are still good. he can walk to go out to potty, but he's
so painful he didn't want to.

he's miserable but drugged to the gills. He met me with
a meekly wagging tail. his face is swollen and his legs
are swollen, because he does not have the body protein
to assimilate the fluids.

When they did the surgery, his intestines were all stuck
together in one big adhesion. His intestines were even
stuck to his bladder, and they pulled them all apart, but
they wanted to glue themselves back almost immediately.

if they do that, he will die.

And this is what they were trying to do during the
surgery. I asked him if this is the case, why didn't
we just put him down?

I don't want him hurting like this, if he's not going
to survive it anyway. He said "no, beca...." and I
didn't hear the rest, the room got all green and hazy
and I had to sit down on the floor before I passed out.

So I really don't know why we are fighting to save him
if his prognosis is so poor. I told the vet to stop
talking.

He has peritonitis , no penetrations were evident from
the chicken bones, but we are assuming it was related
to the chicken wings. But he is also showing bone
anomalies similar to those dogs with a viral infection.

Viral infections can also cause abdominal adhesions.
so there were biopsies sent off for culture and testing.

He's also a low birthweight puppy, and my vet has suspected
there was a viral infection going on since birth, even
before he was born, because of lack of bone development
on the xrays.

when he looked at the prenatal xrays, he felt this litter
was in trouble. when they were low birthweight, he has
been working on that hunch, and he's been treating this
pup from the beginning as a suspect viral issue with an
immune mediated response.

his breeder calls my vet an idiot.

The massive adhesions he found also increased his suspicions
that this was not just the chicken bones but an ongoing problem.
he wanted to do the biopsy and i told him NO. (he tends to test
and test as if my dogs were lab rats) I need this dog fixed, and
regardless of the cause, the treatment is the same.

he says he needs to know and is paying for the test himself.
he says this information may be critical to his sister (who
is not exhibiting any problems btw) so he can suspect whatever
he wants, but i think he's looking for zebras, when he's
actually looking at a horse.

The lab work he is doing will confirm his hunch. it's his dime.
If he's right, Della (his sister) will also need to know.

if he's wrong, it hasn't hurt anything, and it didn't cost
me a dime. If he had a small pinhole leak from the bones,
it could also have set up the massive peritonitis.

Frankly, he ate the chicken wing, and was sick the next day.

Sometimes a horse is just a horse.

He started telling me how they handled the adhesion binding
and why he shouldn't be given up on, and why he thought he
had a chance, but I honestly didn't hear it, and asked him
to stop talking, because the fear of losing my little guy
was just so overwhelming, that I couldn't take any more.

the room was spinning, I was about to wretch and pass out.

I never heard what he had done to prevent that. He was about
to give me the good news, but I never heard it. The bad news
was so bad, I just wasn't in condition to assimilate any more.

This little guy was very similar to his Dad. They even keep
calling him Danny in the clinic, because he looks just like
him.

He's been a remarkable puppy, and shows endless talent.

We tried out for Ohio Task force one a couple weeks ago, and
he was the youngest one there by eight months! And he did the
best job of anyone. I was soooooo proud of him. I was very
proud of his performance. he's been a delight to train with
no apparent fears, tons of courage, biddability, and desire
to please.

I decided not to follow that route because orientation tapes
renewed old memories that reminded me even if I could (which
I had doubts) do the work, I was not willing to put my dog at
risk to the hazards that Task force One dogs are subject to.

He takes his tasks willingly and seriously .. he's a lot like
his dad. He's a very talented tracking dog, a wonderful gentleman,
consummate clown, noble companion, loyal friend, and helpful
assistant.

It's hard to believe that you can get so attached so fast.
He feels to everyone who meets him as a continuum of his father,
with the stability of his mother.

He runs out to the road, gets the newspaper and brings it
in as one of his favorite tasks. He looks for jobs he can
do, and picks up all the dog pans after eating, and hands
them to me, just like his dad did. He's constantly on the
prowl looking for something he can do where he can help.

He fills all the places that his dad used to be. No he
won't replace his dad, but he's filled the huge gaping
chasm that his dad left, and eased the hurt, and created
joy.

He also has his joyful moments. He likes to ride in the
car, and adjusts the air vents to blow in his face. He
hasn't learned to turn the cold control knobs yet, or he
would turn the car into a mobile igloo. He has learned
to operate door knobs, and nothing is out of his reach
unless crated.

Leaving the house for a few minutes and coming in to his
surprises such as finding bras dangling from ceiling fans,
and his projects strewn from one end of the house to the
other, or finding him all wrapped up in venetian blinds
as he tried to follow my progress outside, reminds me he
is NOT his dad, and is his ownunique personality.

Although I might look at his antics with discernment,
afterwards, it's good for a chuckle.

He's a puppy after all, and needs to be contained
when he's not being supervised.

===========

Here's diddler's MOST SUCCESSFUL trainin -

Here's diddler trainin her neighbor's
dog to stay HOWETA her garbage can:

"My Husband Shot A Dog That Had Been Tearing Up Trash
Up And Down Our Road For Years Making An Unbelievable
Mess. When We Finally Killed The Culprit, The Whole
Road Cheered," diddler.

From: diddy (d...@diddy.net)
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK
Date: 2002-11-08 07:00:27 PST

I guess if I felt Danny was threatened, it's the way
I would react. There would be none left standing
to deal with the threat just in case.

If someone hurt him, I would not let borders or
continents stop me from pursuing justice.

Then again, I always feed Danny INSIDE. If
someone is feeding his dog outside, his own
dog might not mean THAT much to him.

If he was feeding his dog outside though, many
dogs are food aggressive, and that could most
certainly spark a dog aggression thing.

(and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what
was it doing in his yard?)

I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my
horses and called him to help me find it. I would
do the same for threatening my dog.

My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
trash up and down our road for years making an
unbelievable mess.

When we finally killed the culprit, the whole road
cheered. Animal control had never been able in
years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....
and it had been shot at by MANY of the neighbors,
but it never frightened it off enough to keep it from
NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)

-------------------

From: diddy <d...@nospam.diddy.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 07:30:27 -0500
Local: Wed, Mar 6 2002 8:30 am
Subject: Re: teaching dogs "jobs"

(They were taught NEVER EVER to step on a road....
No foot EVER touches the road!) Danny lost a tracking
test once, because the test crossed a seldom used
gravel road. When he reached the road, a car just
happened to go by.

He refused to cross the road, and when I took him by
the collar and nudged him, I was Disqualified for aiding
the dog. Danny simply will NOT cross a road.. when he was
intact, not EVEN for a bitch in season.

Now you have a dog that...

WHOOOOPS!

Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner BUT
CAREFULLY AVOID CROSSIN A ROAD.

Will they survive life out in the wilderness
out amongst diddler's coyote traps?

Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?

Or will they live again to do a help dummy diddy
do a demonstration on safe and responsible pet
ownership in the kitchen with the vet's office kitten?

Stay tuned, fans...

diddy wrote:

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We have a beagle. Before we got our last one,
> we knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing
> the fence.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> What we did.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> Wood ties under gates.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> A chicken wire apron extending out into the yard
> 12 inches.(hog ringed to the upright fencing).

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
> and ground conforming. grass grows right over
> it, making it invisible and easy to mow over.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> It's tacked down by tent stakes every 10 inches.
> (this is our most considerable investment)

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
> rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We placed tile blocks over the top, because
> the tent stakes stick up, and sometimes get
> hit by the lawnmower.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
> MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
> fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke
> down sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> When the weather breaks, a whole new fence is
> in order, but the system works MOST of the time.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
> at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
> high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
> just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
> to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
> but both needed occassional maintenence.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> What we did.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
> when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
> and erase any identifiable fenceline.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
> foot trolly line that crosses the yard.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
> always worked when immediate repairs or extra
> security is desired.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
> to the trolly line, whether the containment system
> is currently working or not.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> It's great for emergency situations, and the $17 last
> resort system gets used for the beagle far more than
> I ever expected. It still allows reasonable exercise
> range of area and mobility. The elkhounds and the
> beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest piece of
> mind security ever.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> A trolly tether system is the best for temporary
> containment while discovering where the leak is.
> In the snow, it's easy to discover the
> leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

> I do not like, or use our current underground collar system

"I admit our system fails occassionally"

---------------

From: diddy <d...@diddy.net>
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 11:27:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Dog Shot, Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK

Cate wrote:

> "Jeff Harper" <dummyaddr...@doplay.com> wrote in message
> news:aqgn8c$9ss69$1...@ID-102001.news.dfncis.de...

> > | My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
> > | trash up and down our road for years making an
> > | unbelievable mess. When we finally killed the
> > | culprit, the whole road cheered. Animal control
> > | had never been able in years to catch this critter.
> > | (we think it was feral it was certainly unkempt
> > | enough to have been....and it had been shot at by
> > | MANY of the neighbors, but it never frightened
> > | it off enough to keep it from NOT tearing up the
> > | road the next trash day)

> > Y'all take killing dogs pretty lightly. I'd have tolerated
> > the trash problem before I would have killed the dog.

> No kidding.

> > But putting up with it wouldn't have been necessary.
> > The trash could have been better secured and the
> > problem would have been resolved.

> Yep. Where's the condemnation of the people not
> securing their trash. Especially since, IIRC, this is
> the country we're talking about.
>
> Cate

They were in the standard Rumpke plastic
waste containers they MUST be in.

If you are upset I advise you to keep your dogs at home.

As i repeated before, the time Danny and Taya got loose,
for all the dangers they faced out there, cars, disease,
coyotes, etc, the most immediate danger they were in,
was being shot.

This is why I immediately started canvassing the area
with full color door to door handouts emblazoned with
REWARD. DO NOT SHOOT these dogs across the top.

I knew every second they were loose, they were in grave
danger of being shot. At that time, Our dog pound was
on 20/20 for being one of the worst in the country (it's
not now, it's a modern model facility) i WANTED my
dogs there.

It meant they weren't out there being shot.

They would throw dogs in pens of 10-20 dogs, In spite
of the dirt and filth, if they got there, I had a chance of
recovery.

Roaming in this area is a very bad thing,
and people WILL shoot dogs.

Happens all the time.

If you like your dog, you keep it home.

A persons personal animals are more valueable to
them than your animal you don't think enough of to
keep at home.

--------------

I was in that position once when Becky was hit
by a car when my son left the yard gate open.

Every Rescue Elkhound that I have ever had Cruciate ligament
surgery done on had straight stifles. I've never had one that
was properly angulated tear. It would make sense that a dog
with greater angulation would put more stress on the tendons,
yet the straight angulation dogs in my experience, have been
the ones with cruciate ligament tears. When you mentioned that
was her only conformational fault.. I'm thinking..

kachink! Another one!

------------------

Cruciate ligament failure is CAUSED BY STRESS
from MISHANDLING, GARBAGE COMMERCIAL DIET and
TOXIC VETERINARY MALPRACTICE <{}: ~ ( >

Here's diddler hurting and murderin innocent
defenseless dumb critters for FUN and PROFIT:

From: diddy (d...@nospam.diddy.net) Subject: Re:
cats : Crating/Caging: What constitutes abuse? Date:
2002-08-23 09:18:08 PST

Regarding this cat in the snare. It went nuts. It
leaped, and tangled itself, and most certainly
strangulated it's intestines. It had the snare
pulled tight down to the diameter of a dime (just
large enough to encircle the spine) around the waist
area. This cats snarled, and attacked. Trying to
extricate this cat was exceedingly difficult, not to
mention dangerous. Because I feared damage to the
intestines and death of the gut, I imagined
this cat was not likely to survive.

It would have been much simpler to dispatch the
unfortunate cat and take out the dead body. Instead,
this cat wore a collar. it deserved a chance, and
the owner deserved closure. (no id on the collar) .

It escaped, just as I released it and it couldn't be
taken to the vet for examination. I will probably
never know if this particular cat survives the
experience or not.

People in the area were aware that trapping was
being done and apparently still let their cats run
free, both endangered by the traps and by the
coyotes being targeted that are causing a problem
with their cat population.

Had that cat not been wearing a collar, I would not
have tried to release this hostile cat. Releasing it
may not have been a kindness, but then... cats
weren't supposed to be attracted to this type of
trap, in this position, and then they weren't
supposed to go ape, to get themselves in this
situation. If you like your pet, you keep them home.

-----------------------------------------------------

UNLESS of curse your backyard is POISONED:

Date: 2002-12-29 21:07:12 PST

HOWEDY Diddler,

"diddy" <di...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:3E0FA841...@diddy.net...

> EAINDY wrote:
> > Well, once again I caught my 4 yr old male Golden
> > Retriever - German Shepherd mix digging frantically in
> > back yard this afternoon and eating something. He is
> > completely obsessed with whatever is down there. The hole
> > is about 6" deep and only about as wide as his muzzle. I
> > see nothing when I look in hole when he is done. I live
> > in Indiana, and the ground has not frozen up for the
> > winter. My female Husky does the same thing although not
> > as frantically. I just recently spent $1000 on him in
> > emergency vet bills, xrays, 2 days in hospital, etc for
> > bloody diarreah and vomiting which happened after another
> > dig-eat episode a few weeks ago. I'm not sure the digging
> > and eating was the cause, but I suspect it. But then
> > there have been other digging episodes where he didn't get
> > sick. Almost exactly 2 yrs ago, I had a similar episode
> > with him.

> Mine do that when they are digging for Grubs (June Bugs)

Sounds like fun, diddler. Do you sell their bodies
or use them for potions?

> Degrubbing the yard with Diazinon works a treat.

They like that, do they? I'll go get some. I just LOVE
listenin to them singin their little hearts out on hot
summer days. Kind reminds Your Puppy Wizard when
he was just a Wiz kid, of the cabin in the mountains at
the sea shore we spent summers.

> My neighbors also quit having skunk/mole/dog digging
> problems when they treated their yard for grubs.

Yeah. That's what I was afraid of, diddler.

Didn't they take Diaz off the market about a year or two ago?
I don't think poisonin the yard with a dog that you KNOW eats
dirt and stuff is WISE. No wonder your neighbor quit havin
that problem. I don't think our OP wants to solve the diggin
problem by killin the dog, diddler.

Your Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method
students cure digging in a few minutes over a couple of
days, maybe less.

-------------

HOWEDY diddler,

"diddy" <di...@diddy.net> wrote in message
news:3DFE2573...@diddy.net...

> diddy wrote:
> > a precocious lurker wrote:
> > > diddy wrote:
> > > >I don't think under the circumstances described, Leah
> > > > is NOT guilty of theft. Deception, possibly.. but
> > > > that's really iffy. She has broken no laws. Her
> > > > behavior has not fullfilled an ethical or moral
> > > > standard as would be expected from a professional
> > > > trainer.

> > > And when you shot the neighbor's dog, you did so to
> > > avoid the moral dilemma which Leah is being raked over
> > > the coals for? You know, you could have took the dog in
> > > and fed him, loved him, trained him and dewormed him,
> > > like leah has done. And your horses would have been
> > > safe.

> > > But apparently, instead, you did the right thing...
> > > and shot him.

> > Fuck OFF MIKEY

> Excuse me Mikey, I just traced this.

Did you now, diddler? Kinda like huntin, ain't it?

> Fuck OFF JERRY! *PLONK*

Sorry diddler, you got me wrong, just like you did
all them kats and your dog shittin blood, diddler.
You can't shoot strangle or track straight.

HOWEDY diddler,

di...@diddy.net (diddy) wrote in
<3DFD2FC9.F7120...@diddy.net>:

> Wayne wrote:
>> Just curious if these methods are still encouraged;

koehler is recommended by our professor SCRUFF SHAKE
when the dog is too big and too dangerous to scruff shake
noMOORE.

> > I personally could never do it.

Most of our experts are devout koehler fans.

HOWEver, they'll deny they use the painful parts. koehler
warns against that, sez that's HOWE COME people got
to kill their dogs, cause they don't follow the method
EXACTLY. Just like HOWE it sez in your FREE copy
of my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual.

Only difference is, koehler sez you can't STOP hurting,
your FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual sez
you can't even scream NO or scruff shake your dog.

>> Wayne

>There are still some old advocates,

You mean all our expert advisors here on
our dog forums, diddler.

> mostly in the law enforcement and security dog world.

Not noMOORE, diddler.

> This method separates the squeamish and soft dogs

Is that so, diddler? What's a SOFT dog, diddler? I never
heard of a soft dog. Are you talkin soft like fat assed and
lazy, like our experts here? Or are you talkin soft like in
out of shape MENTALLY?

Or do you mean to say dogs that can't take a lot of BEATIN?

> (something that is detrimental in LE)

Is that so, diddler? You mean dogs in security and police and
military work should LIKE being BEATEN? Is that DESIRABLE?

> from those hard dogs that let anything bounce off them

Anything, diddler? You mean like BULLETS? Or do you mean
like TRAINING STICKS and SHOCKING and CHOKING, diddler?

Are you talking about a dog that don't MIND being choked and
shocked and beaten and hung? Is that what you mean by hard
Vs soft dogs, diddler?

> as if it never happened.

Yeah. It never happened, diddler. NOBODY here hurts dogs.
Ask matty. Ask Binaca bethFIST. Ask janet boss. Ask Master
Of Deception blankman and melanie and leah and liea and
professor scruff shake?

> I would hope those training for pet use would not find his
> methods of the 1930's and 40's still logical.

Well, well, well, diddler. I guess you must be a newbie here.
Either that, or you're one of the LYING DOG ABUSING THUG
COWARDS we got here who hurts and kills dogs and LIES
about it, diddler? Naaah. Not YOU. You're even on our kat
forums.

> I shudder reading them,

Do you now, diddler? Some of us CRINGE.

> and thank forward moving trainers for
> moving us out of the dark ages.

Oh, indeedy, diddler. Thank you for supporting pain fear
intimidation and death.

> You would think he hates dogs.

Naah. He's a professional dog trainer, diddler. Most of our
dog lovers here swear by their koehler method for the really
tough dogs. The ones that LIKE to be beaten and HUNG.

Meanwhile, the heel with koehler diddler, we got a worse
scumbag to identify and expose. That be YOU:

From: diddy <di...@nofair.spamming.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:07:51 -0500

Subject: Re: "Timmie's in the well!!"

BethF wrote:

> "diddy" <di...@nofair.spamming.com> wrote in message
> news:3E244F7F...@nofair.spamming.com...
> > BethF wrote:

> > > "Shelly" <s...@pacifier.com> wrote in message
> > > news:v2807sh...@corp.supernews.com...

> > > > Since Bodhi has arrived, Coda has earned himself a new
> > > > nickname: "Fun Police".
> > > > (Regardless if it's something he would've done as a puppy or not!)

> > > LOL! Isn't that funny - kind of the opposite of Kavik.

> > Danny is a fun police also!! Miss Reka and Mr beeeeegs frustratingly
> > just ignore him. (Danny never did those things in his youth, however,
> > as he was a very serious puppy, hence, I thought he had a potential
> > temperament problem and didn't sell him)

> Temperment problems? Isn't that funny. Danny. Temperment
> problems. Its a damn good thing you didn't sell him though.

Dannys mother had temperament problems.. and I had leased her to
breed (she was a top producing kennel dog), when brought into a home
condition, she had no resiliency. She was finished as a puppy in just
5 shows, and then never left the kennel again except to whelp puppies.
I very much admired her structure/pedigree/bloodlines/health
testing/"get and their performance records"

She had just had a litter and had to be bottle raised because she had
no milk. The breeder lamented that she thought she would probably not
ever be bred again because of the milk problem. I took her home on
vacation. however i signed legal lease papers with a breeding
clause.

I never intended to breed her. I thought the papers i was
signing was to prevent me from breeding her.

After keeping her for two years, the breeder told me it was time to
breed her and return half the litter that I owed during her "lease"

I told her I did NOT want to breed her, and her phobia about leaving
fences, fear of noises, etc was not something i wanted to have in a
dog.

She said i "OWED" her a 1/2 litter of puppies per contract. i long
ago
threw out my contract, and she sent me a copy of hers. Sure enough, I
HAD to breed her. I argued that she was not temperamentally sound.

She was a ditz, and trying to work with her only to find her so
institutionalized that when she dissappeared, she was ALWAYS
standing at the gate shivering wanting to get INTO the safety of
the fenced yard.

(running away was not an issue with her.. she couldn't stand being in
a decision making situation,, and couldn't stand being outside a
fence... hardly the kind of dog that fits my lifestyle)

I did the obligatory breeding, and never dealt with that breeder
again.

Danny was an offspring of tthat litter. I was worried looking for
instability. Her offspring from other litters had a history of being
darlings, but with the neurotic behavior she had) Danny would never
play. He would sit analyzing anything the other puppies did, and if
they screamed, he would never do what they did again. He wouldn't
play... He just watched, deciding what was ok.. and what wasn't.

He figured if a puppy screamed while they were roughhousing, all
roughhousing was bad. He'd be in the middle of the pack trying to
break them up (fun police).. he took this to extreme in every facet
of his life, and I feared he was going to be like his mom, and
eventually aftraid to leave the fence.

The home I had picked for him had two little boys, and I was afraid
they would intimidate him (in spite of them being great and gentle
little boys, into being a fear biter if forced beyond the bounds of
what
he thought he was appropriate.) So i kept Danny and gave this family
glowing refeerrals to another family.

They watched Danny grow up, and his accomplishments, and felt that I
kept "Their" dog out of selfish reasons. They knew he was a "star"
and
just kept him from them *sigh*

Danny was the easiest yet hardest dog i ever had to train in my life.
He was bright, tried never to make any mistakes, you only showed him
something once, he took learning so seriously that he would practice.

Yet if he failed or misunderstood, he crashed. He'd be afraid to try
it
again, or assume the whole exercise was wrong, and he was to never
do that exercise again. If he feared he was going to make a mistake,
he stood there like a statue with his eyes closed and just shook.

He has been since VERY young, a perfectionist. He's still a
perfectionist. Yes, I considered this a temperament fault when
carried to this extreme. He worries about perfection even now,
until he gets ulcers :)

He did not belong in the home that was supposed to be his. That home
lost their dog they got instead, because the kids let the gate open,
and
the dog ran out and got killed in traffic. I'm glad he stayed.

His puppies also have that sensitivity and perfectionist streak. In
the
right hands, it's a gift. In the wrong hands, it's a disaster. Is it a
temperament problem? yes and no.. it's not a temperament just any
family usa should have and could deal with. so in essence, it's a
temperament problem. To me, and those homes who got his puppies,
and then had me do in home visits to teach them how to handle it have
found it a special gift. He's definitely a dog that is not for
everyone.

His great great grandfather was also known more for his intelligence
than his championship, He won a National Specialty, and yet he was
bred twice, and his puppies had the same wierdness and intelligence.

MOST people couldn't handle them, and he got neutered. Never-the-less,
Danny has three crosses in his pedigree to this same fruity dog. I
think he
got it honestly.

On the same note, Danny passes it on. I had to work with every one of
those puppies in their homes. Every one of them spent a month or more
in my house at a year old doing rehab , before I spent a week or
morein
their owners houses teaching them how to train and work with their
pups.

A litter that requires this DOES have temperament issues. At the same
time, each of these families has their name on a list, should I ever
breed Danny again (He has semen on store) I sold every pup on a
spay/neuter contract (this was before limited registration)

One violated that contract and bred their dog anyway. He's a champion
and as the only pup from Danny that was ever bred, many people bred
to him. Those puppies did NOT have the support my Danny puppies had,
and there were a bunch of disturbed and temperament problems in those
litters. I've been rescueing Elkhounds trying to clean up the mess
since.

You could never guess by looking at Danny that there was a
temperament problem. It was trained out when he was very young. It's
non-existant.. but it's there in his genes.. in that can in storage.
It's the reason I never bred him again. Although I would "like to"
someday. If I could find the right bitch, and knew that she would
have only "ONE" puppy.. for "me".

I had discovered that that very temperament weakness was his strength
that made him very special. Because it takes special handling to turn
it from detriment to gift.. I _do_ consider it a "problem".

---------------------------------

And then you WONder...
And then you don't <{}: ~ ( >

BWEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!


FurPaw

unread,
Jan 5, 2008, 11:19:15 PM1/5/08
to
diddy wrote:

> You might get your house wiring checked?

Why? (Not contentious, curious).

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

IChewedThroughMyRestraints_...@hotmail.com

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Jan 5, 2008, 11:35:52 PM1/5/08
to
HOWEDY WakeBdr,

I'm posting to you directly in response to funky foot's reply to
diddler's post akin HOWE COME she advised you to seek a HOWEsHOWELD
wiring technician.

funky foot AIN'T a PROFESSIONAL dog trainer. HOWEver,


she knows EVERY THING abHOWET dog behavior problems
from first hand EXXXPERIENCE goin through them with her

own hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL DEAD an DEATHLY
ILL dogs.

funky foot and the other posters here are MENTALLY ILL and


desperately need their rest. If you reply to them you'll be inciting
them to go MANIC and possibly require further HOWEspitalization.

PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB the MENTAL PATIENTS:

"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmaildog.com> wrote in message
news:JrSdnfNeRoqdyh3a...@comcast.com...


> diddy wrote:
>
>> You might get your house wiring checked?
>
> Why? (Not contentious, curious).

On accHOWENTA diddler GOT NO ADVICE, like yourself,
funky foots. IN FACT, your own fear aggressive hyperactive
HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs have had EVERY stress induced
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE and temperament and behavior
problem in creation <{}: ~ ( >

HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic life
long incurable malignant mental case,

"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Hb6dnYB_wKSLmcXa...@comcast.com...
> Paul E. Schoen wrote:
>> I just found this article while surfing to the dog breed info site trying
>> to determine that a PWD is a Portuguese Water Dog. This article might
>> explain a few things about dog behavior in a little different way:
>>
>> http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/humandog.htm
>
> This is just a regurgitation of Cesar Millan. The author really
> should give CM a citation as the source of his ideas -

You mean LIKE THIS?:

"To better understand your dog, we strongly suggest Cesar Millan DVD's
and Cesar Millan Books to every dog owner,
from Chihuahua to Pit Bull. An excellent guide to communicating with,
understanding, and controlling your dog."

> not doing that is plagiarism.

INDEED?

> CM probably won't mind, though, since the
> author does plug his books and videos.

Could it be the "author" IS the ces, funky foots?

> If I wanted to find out CM's point of view, I'd read his books
> directly,

The wording is PRECISELY what the ces uses. Looks
like his writing. "If it walks like a dog abuser..."

> rather than through some unknown author's mental filter.

Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:

HOWEDY funky foots you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin
animal abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic life
long incurable malignant mental case,

"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:DdOdnTQlXZq6N6La...@comcast.com...
> daleh...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Happy holidays, everyone. Best to you all.
>>
>> We have a 9 year old lab mix who has started defecating
>> inside the house.

<snip>

>> And although the first poops are of normal hardness, she often
>> continues to squat and push for much longer than in the past.
>> So the last bits are normally very soft and more like baby poop.
>
> No expert here,

C'mon, funky foots! Don't diminish your authority like that!
Your own dogs have had EVERY STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE a.k.a. The Puppy Wizards' Syndrome, in
creation. You coulda bought an paid for a full service commercial
kennel with the bucks you've WASTED on incompetent veterinary
malpractice care!

THAT MAKES YOU A EXXXPERT!

HERE'S PROOF!:

HOWEDY funkyfoots,

Add these to your posted case history of DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's Syndrome caused by jerking
and choking your dogs:

"I'm out more than $5,000 in the past year because I
have one dog who developed a heart condition and
another one who required surgery for laryngeal paralysis
and went blind in one eye, reason unknown; in addition
to the surgery, a lot of diagnostic tests were required for
each one."

BWEEEEAAAAHAAAHAAA!!!

> but I also think I'd take her to a different vet, maybe even an
> internal medicine specialist if one is available to you. Has
> your vet done any blood work to look for liver failure, or
> anything else?

Yeah. His vet's been treatin her for 9 years, funkyfoots.

> Did she examine a stool sample?

AS STATED, you pathetic moron.

> Is there any sign of blood (either red or dark & tarry-
> looking) or mucus in the stool?

AS STATED, you pathetic moron.

> Two things raise a red flag for me: One is her weight loss
> despite being fed larger portions, especially if it was rapid

Naaaah?

> (how long did it take for her to lose 10 lb?). The second is
> her evident pain when she has a bowel movement.

Naaah? Hey funky foots? We DON'T KNOW if it's
PAIN or ANXXXIHOWESNESS that's causin the
whining when she SHITS. Evidently the dog DON'T
WHINE when IT SHITS in their HOWES <{}:~ ( >

> As others have pointed out,

You mean the OTHER MENTAL CASES, funky foots?

> that could be due to arthritis or hip dysplasia,

That's curiHOWES. There AIN'T NO OTHER CASE
HISTORY DATA SUPPORTING THAT IDIOCY.

> but would that account for the weight loss or the
> softer stools at the end of her bowel movement?

Of curse not. HOWEver, ANXXXIHOWESNESS WOULD.

> I hope you find an answer for your girl soon.

LikeWIZE.

> FurPaw

LIKE THIS:

"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:I56dnbtG5NUeB-fb...@comcast.com...
> Charlotte wrote:
>
>> I`m feeling very bad that I`ve beaten her. But
>> there really was no way I could have found
>> some reliable source as in my country, animal
>> rights and training isn`t an issue people care
>> about... But I want to be one of the few who care.
>
> Good for you!

That's curiHOWES comin from the likes of you
AIN'T IT, funkyfoots? Your own dogs have been
sufferin an DYIN from your own SHEER IDIOCY
and inability to train them. Perhaps you should tell
Charlott abHOWET your own DEAD DOG who
DIED from anaphylaxis from eatin a bag of granola
that he STOLE and your other SUCCESS stories
like DESTROYIN your HOWES till they're two
years old an gettin CANCER from STRESS from
your ABUSIVE TRAININ and garbage commercial
diet and toxic veterinary treatments?

> What country to you live in?

That's IRRELEVENT funkyfoots. The Sincerely


Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing

Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret,
Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard trains
dogs ALL OVER the WHOWEL WILD WORLD <{) ; ~ ) >

> This web site has links to many articles about dog
> behavior, problems, training.
> http://www.dogplay.com/Behavior/index.html

No, THAT'S Master Of Deception blankman, a other


pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable

mental case like yourself. She don't post her lies abuse
and IDIOCY here abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE.

> How old is she?

That's IRRELEVENT you simply amazingly
incredible animal murderin IDIOT.

> Make sure she gets lots and lots of exercise,

That's ABSURD you freakin simpleton. Dogs DO
NOT HAVE behavior problems on accHOWENTA
lack of EXXXCESSIVE EXXXORCISE they have
temperament and behavior problems on accHOWENTA
ABUSE like you and your punk thug coward mental
case pal Master Of Deception blankman recommend:

Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >

> via walking and play.

BWEEEAAAAHAHAAAA!!!

> Tired dogs are much less likely to get into trouble.

That's SHEER IDIOCY you freakin MENTAL CASE.

> Try to anticipate her "bad" behavior, so
> that you can intervene and prevent it;

That's INSANE.

> then reward her immediately with praise
> or a treat for doing something "good" -

THAT REINFORCES BAD BEHAVIOR:

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."

> such as sitting down.

THAT will teach the dog to HATE bein trained:

"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed
contingency the behavior and
learning immediately deteriorated."

> If she is afraid of you because you have beat her,
> it will take a lot of patience to win back her trust.

THAT'S BUNK.

> Be kind and gentle with her, don't raise your voice,

You mean unless you're tellin IT "NO!"?

> give her lots of little treats, try to entice
> her to play and have fun with you.

THAT'S INSANE. You CAN'T BRIBE love
trust and RESPECT you pathetic MENTAL
CASE.

> Just like human babies, puppies require
> a lot of your time and supervision.

Yeah, if you don't know HOWE to pupperly
handle an train them they're LOTS of REALLY
REALLY REALLY HARD WORK <{}: ~ ( >

> It took you several years to learn how to behave;
> puppies don't even take as long as humans, but
> they still require a lot of effort.

Yeah, when you BRIBE CRATE and INTIMIDATE
them and AVOID trainin opportunities and give them
LOTS an LOTS of EXXXORCISE to CON-TROLL
their hyperactive behaviors.

> And using rewards, train her to sit, lie down,
> stay, walk on a leash, heel, come when called.

THAT'S HOWE COME THEY'RE REALLY
REALLY REALLY HARD TO TRAIN.

> This site talks about using a clicker
> to help with the training.

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAAA!!!

Master Of Deception blankman and lying
frosty dahl EXXXPERIMENTED with
clicker training to SUBVERT The Sincerely


Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing

Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat,
Ferett, Monkey And Horsey Wizard's 100%


CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End

Training Method <{) ; ~ ) >

THEY FAILED to successfully CLICKER TRAIN
their own dogs. See "Clicker Project FIZZLES":

Message 1 in thread
From: Amy Dahl (a...@oakhillkennel.com)
Subject: Clicker retriever project fizzles
Date: 1999/06/19

Thanks to all who gave advice before. I figure I owe
you an update, but in some ways the news is not good.

Although I learned some really useful things from
the reading material that was suggested, somewhere
between the personality of the student and the manner
in which I applied the material, we didn't get too far
with the clicker stuff.

Basically although I kept the sessions shorter (fewer
repetitions/rewards than the 50-80 recomended by my
various sources), Rosie seemed to get bored. I went
from dry kibble to soaked kibble to pupperoni to hot
dogs in the attempt to keep her motivated.

As I said before she learned left-side walking in about
one session but I abandoned it. Then I worked on
targeting and on "speak." Rosie did well at both until
I tried to reward only when I used the cue.

I went back to giving the cue and rewarding every time.
Still, though, she'd get about two or three hot dogs then
grab either the target stick or something else to carry
around, or go over to the picnic table with the pile of
retrieving dummies and look meaningfully at them.

My suspicion is that this outcome is more a consequence
of Rosie's nature than my application of the method. I
have always been very good at reading and following
directions (and I had videos, too).

She, however, is bred from a long line of die-hard
retrievers who were selected, not only for their love
of retrieving, but for their potential to be trained
effectively by "show-'em- and-make-'em" methods.

Amy Dahl

BWEEEAAAHAAAA!!!

Here's the deal on clicker trainin:

From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?

> Jen
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7ze...@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?

> > Thanks,

> > Lucy
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!

Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.

The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.

With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.

With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.

Not difficult.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.

P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.

You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.

Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.

Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands.

Dr. Von
---------------

gary wilcox of Massachusetts Institute of Technology
impressed professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer of
the ANAL-ytic behavior department Master's Degree
Program at UofWI with his DELAYED PUNISHMENT
methods to augment his clicker training FAILURES.

Clicker trainin RELIES on offering and witholding
BRIBES which INCREASES anxiety to dangerous
levels which the critter will likely to REFLEX to
when asked even years later, to do the commands
he was originally "trained" to do.

In the event of additional stress, such as when greeting
guests at the door or meetin a dog in the park or seein
a kat, may push the dog over the top and instigate an
accidental bite.

> It's full of good advice on training,

No it ain't, she's a liar and dog abuser and MENTAL
CASE, like yourself and your punk thug coward pals.

Clicker trainin ONLY works when the trainer can
CON-TROL ALL the food in the environment and
provided the critter is HUNGRY, therefore EXPERT
clicker trainers FEED THE ENTIRE DIET as part of
the clicker training program.

Here's your pathetic miserable stinkin lyin plagiarizing
punk thug coward mental case pal diane blankman on
CLICKER TRAININ:

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: black...@dog-play.com
Date: 1999/12/07
Subject: Re: The e-collar debate on RPDB

Lynn Kosmakos <lkosma...@home.com> wrote:
: Amy Dahl wrote:

:> Another reason that group hasn't flocked to clickers
:> might be that, as it appears to me looking at Morgan
:> Spector and Gary Wilkes, all-new methods needed to
:> be devised to teach the same old stuff. Retriever work
:> is so incredibly sophisticated that devising all-new
:> methods is a seriously daunting task.

: I think you're absolutely right. There's a corollary in
: the almost universal use of purely positive training
: techniques in agility, a newer sport without a long-
: established body of work on how it "should" be done.

Hmmm, well "purely positive" is a bit of a mantra on
the agility training lists but I don't know very many
trainers who are successful and actually do "purely
positive."

In my observation it is mostly positive training, a
modest amount of negative punishment (withdrawing
of something the dog wants to correct unwanted
behavior) and most trainers do judiciously use positive
punishment although less frequently and in a much
milder form than is common in other dog sports.

Corrections are very common even in agility. For
example, if the dog self releases from a contact zone
the typical response is to correct the dog by picking
it up and re-placing it on the contact zone.

: I'm not familiar with Spector's or Wilkes' work in
: field training, but I've seen some real problems when
: people try to apply new techniques to areas they don't
: actively participate in. Both Gary Wilkes and
: Clothier/Rice have written and lectured on training
: a SAR alert and mantrailing, respectively. Neither
: work is respected by people who actually do those
: things, because it is simply incomplete and inadequate.

: It seems that people need to have some experience
: with the full training program before they can
: understand it well enough to redesign parts of it.

The biggest disappointment I had in that clicker class
I took was that the instructor, a SAR particiapant, did
not demonstrate the strengths of the clicker for particular SAR
related tasks such as scent work.

The sad thing was is that she failed to "sell" the
technique based on its strengths and thus lost the
opportunity to broaden the horizons of the participants.

I don't know what the problem was, except that likely
she may be a fine trainer but an inadequate teacher.

Diane Blackman
d...@dog-play.com http://www.dog-play.com

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAA!!

Here's YOU MURDERIN your own HOWESkat:

From: FurPaw (furpawn...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: OT:urk..cat poop
Newsgroups: alt.support.menopause
Date: 2002-07-03 16:23:10 PST

<snip>

yecchh! Now, why was he demanding
that YOU clean it up?

Once I had a housemate who acquired a
stray cat while I was on vacation. Before
I knew about the cat, when I walked into the
bedroom that we shared, I thought, "Damn,
Sarah must not have done laundry for WEEKS!"

Shortly after that, I spotted the cat.

Further investigation revealed that the damned
cat had been sh*tting in my SHOES. Not Sarah's
shoes. MINE.

Not too smart of that cat, particularly since I'm
allergic and he was treading on thin ice in that
domain already. He clinched it a couple of days
later when I was carrying him out of the bedroom
(now forbidden territory), and the dog (big white
Shepherd mix) came trotting around the corner.
Cat freaked, clawed and bit me.

Sorry, but that kitty had to go to the animal shelter
the next day. (I would have had the same reaction
if the dog had bit me.)

FurPaw
-
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA!!!

That's not the only critter you've murdered.

> and you don't even have to use a clicker,
> just another sound, like clucking your
> tongue, to immediately reward the behavior
> you want to see.

The clicker method relies on OFFERING and
WITHOWELDING BRIBES till the critter
throw MINDLESS MEANINGLESS UNTHINKING
behaviors to RELEASE the REWARD from the


human Skinner Box <{}: ~ ( >

IT FAILS 10% of the time GUARANTEED,
even when done by EXXXPERT clicker trainers.

ASK karen pryor, she MURDERED her own
DEAD KAT when she COULDN'T clicker
train IT not to shit an piss in her stove top.

> Keep your training sessions short, follow
> them with play, and above all, have fun
> with your puppy!

You're a IMBECILE.

> http://www.clickertraining.com/

Oh, THAT'S karen pryor's website! You
might wanna ask gary wilcox of M.I.T.
HOWE COME he had to resort to DELAYED
PUNISHMENT when his clicker trainin FAILED?

AND you MIGHT wanna ASK HER HOWE COME
she MURDERED HER OWN DEAD KAT when
SHE COULDN'T TRAIN IT <{}'; ~ ) >

> FurPaw

Here's your own funky POSTED CASE HISTORY:

"FurPaw" <> wrote in message
news:pMudnX0-Cro...@comcast.com...

> LDRS News Glo wrote:
> > << From: "The Puppy Wizard"
> > << BWEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

> Medicate yourself, wimp-limp-wizard.
> You'll feel MUCH better.

> Killfile this guy and above all
> don't respond to him.
> Furpaw

furpaw:
(SSRI, cognitive therapy)
otherwise, a fairly boring
and nondescript crazy person

> His biggest thrill is getting a rise out of someone.

"FurPaw" <furrea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:r_edndhNrs2Htz3Y...@comcast.com...
> elegy wrote:
>
>> or, you know, controlling the amount of food the
>> dog gets.
>>
>> mushroom would gladly weigh 500 pounds
>> if i'd let him. he's a boy who loves his food.
>
> We have two like that. Oppie, our yellow Lab,
> is an eating machine. He defines the term, "food
> motivated."

THAT'S on accHOWENTA he's INSECURE.

Dogs have the same eatin disorders as people
for the same reasons.

> And so is Chile, our chihuahua.

Naaaah?

> When she was about 3, our GSD, Dylan, was
> going through a finicky period.

Yeah. That was pryor to his POISON eatin stage.

> Chile duly observed this, and one day when Dylan didn't
> eat her breakfast, Chile did. We caught her just as she
> was licking the last molecules out of Dylan's bowl.
> Despite the look of utter bliss on her face, we thought
> she was going to explode!
>
> Chile has since told me that that was the only
> time in her life that she actually got enough to eat.
>
> Despite their complaints and doleful, waif-like,
> edge-of-starvation looks, we keep them where
> we can see the outlines of their ribs.

That's ABSURD.

> FurPaw

Here's HOWE COME your dogs
are "FOOD MOTIVATED":

Re: Why does my Retriever push his nose around
his food dish-does a little dance with his head

On 2006-12-29 11:07:10 -0500, "monkey" <kellie...@sympatico.ca>
said:

> Before and after eating my golden retriever pushes his
> food dishes with his nose-around it- as if he is doing a
> little dance. Does anyone know why this happens??
> its really weird, it goes on for like 10-15 mins..
> Any suggestions???

If it bothers you, take the food dish up. Have the dog sit
and wait for release before eating. If the dog wants to play
with the bowl, take the bowl up. Wait a while and try again.

I'd suggest that if the dog continues,
the dog might miss a meal.

If you're concerned about the dog not eating,
put the dog is a sit-stay, put some kibble on
the floor and release the dog to eat.

The simple answer is, "don't let the dog do that."
The dog has trained itself (and you) that this is
an acceptable ritual. If it is not acceptable, train
the dog to behave differently.

Does the dog only do this at your house?
In the regular feeding room? With you?
--
http://4dsgn.com

Subject: GSD people

From: YourDoggysMomma @HushMail.Com
Date: Tues, Jul 19 2005 8:42 am

HOWEDY funky foots,

FurPaw wrote:
> Paula wrote:
> > So what are GSDs really like and why is it
> > that some of you have become addicted to them?

Kinda like HOWE funky foot's DEAD DOG Dylan
GOT ADDICTED to SEALING and EATING POISON.

> I've had one, Dylan. Where to begin?

Let's BEGIN with the day Dylan ATE POISON
and GOT DEAD on accHOWENT of you couldn't
train him NOT to STEAL STUFF and EAT POISON.

> She had a mind of her own,

That so, funky foots?

> was smart, loyal, demanding, funny.

AND DEAD.

> She adored kids and put up with a lot of their pulling
> and tugging. She was very gentle with our Chihuahuas
> and let them chase her. She roughhoused with our Lab
> until both were exhausted.

> She was an alpha,

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!

> and it took a couple of years of training to
> persuade her that she wasn't going to push me
> aside -

INDEED? Is THAT HOWE COME
she STOLE and ATE POISON?

> but with maturity she became a wonderful companion.

You mean DESPITE DYIN at 9 years from EATIN
STUFF SHE STOLE and of curse, overcoming multiple CANCERS?

> --
> "Don't believe everything that you think."
> - Seen on a bumper sticker

> To reply, unleash the dog

From: "The Amazing Puppy Wizard" <TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Yahoo.Com>
Date: 12 Feb 2005 13:18:27 -0800
Subject: Re: JE yadda yadda yadda

HOWEDY funky foots you ignorant cretin,

Thanks to dog lovers like you we got The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME where a "MILESTONE"
is a GSD livin till NINE YEARS OLD despite
his CANCERS and PHOBIAS and DEATHLY
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES.

Here's a few HAPPY posts from your
own miserable posted case history:

You're some kinda dog lover...

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:47:16 -0500
Subject: Re: White German Sheperd Problems

Hello furpaw,

"FurPaw" <furpawn...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3CA5CAF7...@comcast.net...

> E. L. Ryan & Co wrote:
> > Scott Delibac <sdeli...@mitre.org> wrote in message
> > news:3CA22A77...@mitre.org...
> >>Im not sure where I failed, we have gone to
> >>training, and have tried for

> > This sounds all too familiar.

You mean you got the same problem, and are
willing to share what you've done to continue
the problem or changed your lifestyle to cope
with it.

> I second the training recommendation.

Of course! That's what helped you out sooo
much with your own problem dog. Or more
correctly, that's what CAUSED your problem
dog.

> And would add, give him a lot of exercise!

Yes, use excessive exercise to control out of
control behaviors cause you don't have effective
training methods.

> Your description fits our girl Dylan (not
> white, BTW) to a T.

Very interesting. White GSD's often have a

"genetic component" to their hyperactive behavior.

> We trained and trained and trained... several
> trainers, methods, lots of time spent with her.

Yes, an excellent idea, furpaw. Tell us HOWE you
were taught to jerk and choke and confine and
intimidate and excessively exercise your dog every
day for years, to FORCE IT to do as you make IT.

> Some may say that the methods weren't effective
> or applied properly.

Wel, let's just DISCUSS what you did, and EVEN
YOU will be able to see and understand the insanity
of your so called training methods that caused the
problems you've dealt with UNSUCCESSFULLY.

> Could be - we were novices

No. Could be you relied on DISINFORMATION
from our lying dog abusing Thugs.

That's what COULD BE.

> when it came to training a very dominant dog.

What DOMINANT? That's BULLSHIT. Dogs don't
have DOMINANCE issues unelss someone is
PROVOKING them. And then it's not dominance,
it's FEAR.

> We kept looking for nonpunitive methods that
> would get her under control.

BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!! You didn't FIND any, did you.

> Convincing her that she was NOT
> Alpha took a lot of work.

Yes, because you fought with, choked,
crated and intimidated her.

> By the time she was about three, she had
> turned into a real sweetheart.

There ya go! And your trainers TOLD you it might
take three years, instead of three days as in my methods.

> Getting a second big dog (male, nondominant,
> extremely playful) as a companion and playmate
> no doubt contributed.

Because your training methods DIDN'T help.

> Maturation no doubt contributed.

BECAUSE YOUR TRAINING
METHODS DIDN'T WORK.

> And training certainly contributed, even though
> the results weren't always immediately obvious.

Ohhh, you said a mouthful. Using the lousy methods
you used caused other seemingly non related behavior
problems that you and your so called trainers aren't
bright enough to trace to the vicious methods you used,
RESULTING IN The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.

> FurPaw

What a DISMAL success story. GOOD LUCK.

From: FurPaw (furpawnews...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: dog ripping up cushion

Date: 2003-05-16 07:58:16 PST

Clearly punishing your dog isn't working. And probably
never will. So I'd suggest you try a different tactic. You
don't have to yell and hit in order to get your dog to behave
well. But you may have to be a little more creative.

You've gotten him afraid of you+cushion, but not afraid of
cushion. So remove the cushion, so that the temptation is
no longer there, until you can get other aspects of his behavior
working with you. Does he have "interesting"
toys to keep him occupied, like a Kong stuffed with peanut
butter, or a Hava-Ball filled with treats for him to extract?

If your dog is only "good" when you're "not his friend"
it sound like you've managed to teach him to be afraid
of you.

If he's peeing when you're shouting, he's afraid of you.

That's submissive peeing.

Is that the relationship you want with your dog?

How much time do you spend together? How much
exercise do you give him? How many hours a day is
he alone? It sounds to me like he may be bored;
our GSD was pretty destructive at that age until we
rearranged our schedule and spent more time playing
and exercising her.

Have you tried obedience training? Did you take your
dog to any classes to train both you and the dog?

Having an ongoing program of *positive* (no punishment)
training with your dog might go a long ways in improving
his behavior and your relationship with him.

There are a lot of good books on training your dog out
there. I used and like Brian Kilcommons' "Good Owners,
Great Dogs", but there are others that are more recent
and that emphasize clicker training.

I'm not a dog trainer, so others will be along with
more specific suggestions for you.

FurPaw

From: FurPaw (furpawnews...@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: de-lurking with puppy questions
Date: 2003-07-19 13:33:18 PST

Karlee in Kansas wrote:
> I've been reading here for a while (long enough to figure
> out the resident troll anyway) and have a few questions
> about my puppy
>
> I have an 7 month old Pomeranian puppy,
> adorable as all get out, but she won't play.

<snip>

Hi, Karlee -

Looks like your thread got hijacked :-(

I don't have a lot to contribute, except to say that some dogs
don't seem to have the play drive that others do. My male
chihuahua, Gordo, played with his sister as a puppy, but wouldn't play
with us, except to fetch.

He's very submissive, and even the most gentle
approaches to play got him cowering. He and his
sister still play now and then (at age 12), but only
if they think no one is watching them.

Weird. He does like to chew on rawhide, however.

Is your dog's regular food kibble or soft food?
If you could induce her to eat a bit of kibble,
maybe that would be a start on the teeth problem.

She sounds like a sweetie!

FurPaw

From: ldrsnews...@aol.com (LDRS News Glo)
Date: 20 Sep 2004 02:05:17 GMT

Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

<From: FurPaw

> Killfile this guy and above all don't respond to him.
> His biggest thrill is getting a rise out of someone.
> FurPaw

Gotcha, thanks. I just banned him from emailing
me too. Sheesh. Why is it that every news group
has to have at least one troll? Is it in the contract?
LOL Gloria

From: ldrsnews...@aol.com (LDRS News Glo)
Date: 19 Sep 2004 18:22:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

<< From: "Perry Templeton >>
<< But I would think the main thing would be,

>> especially in a male, neutered bs. not neutered.

I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control, and he
was neutered about 3 weeks ago, a day before I got
him. I think that's part of the problem, he's still feeling
his "oats". It has tapered significantly around the house.
The problem now is taking him to the park. I hate it
when he starts humping the other dogs, especially the
small ones.

Most of the other dogs "tell him off", but he takes
it as a game and goes back. I'm sure it will stop
as he matures, I just thought someone would have
a suggestion for now when I take him to the park.

Thanks, Perry.

Gloria

From: flick <f...@starband.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:29:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

LDRS News Glo wrote:
> I adopted JJ from Animal Care and Control,
> and he was neutered about 3 weeks ago,
> a day before I got him. I think that's part of
> the problem, he's still feeling his "oats". It
> has tapered significantly around the house.
> The problem now is taking him to the park.

> I hate it when he starts humping the other dogs,
> especially the small ones. Most of the other dogs
> "tell him off", but he takes it as a game and goes
> back. I'm sure it will stop as he matures, I just
> thought someone would have a suggestion for
> now when I take him to the park. Thanks,
> Perry.

It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to
completely leave his system after neutering, is what I
understand.

flick 100785

> Gloria

From: ldrsnews...@aol.com (LDRS News Glo) -
Date: 21 Sep 2004 01:29:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

<< From: flick f...@starband.net >>

>> It can take a couple-three months for the hormones to
>>completely leave his system after neutering, is what I
>>understand.

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct. LOL I'm
certainly going to stick with the little fellow. He's
very playful and very funny. I've had Boston Terriers
since I was 15 and they're sooo funny. Pugs are
funny also. I'm constantly being entertained by them.
Thank you for responding.
Gloria

From: FurPaw <furpawnews...@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:24:38 -0600
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

LDRS News Glo wrote:
> I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with
> my new 10 month old Boston Terrier, who is now
> 11 months. The problem was he was "humping"
> my two Pugs.

> It's subsided a lot. He does, however, still try to
> do it to dogs at the park. I have him on a 15 ft.
> lead, so I can monitor his behavior.

> Is there any trick to making him stop this unacceptable
> behavior? Again, he's MUCH better at home.

> He gets a LOT more supervised time with the other
> Pugs and he's behaving for longer periods of time.
> The squirt bottle works wonders with him.
> I can tell he's going to be a great dog.

> I've had 3 Bostons in the past and I've never had
> this problem. JJ is larger than most Bostons, he's
> 28 lbs and will probaby get a little bit bigger, he'll
> fill out. He's handsome, he's extremely playful.
> If he were the only dog in the house, he'd be a
> wonderful little guy. I believe he's also trying to
> establish some "top dog" issues.

> One good thing is none of them fight, they're all
> GREAT dogs. Two Pugs and a Boston is a handful,
> but once JJ gets over this...um..."hump" he'll be
> great. Advice about the humping in the park would
> be much appreciated. Thanks.
> Gloria

I wish I had the answer, Gloria! I have an 8 year
old yellow lab who was neutered at 9 months,
and he is still Mr. Hormones!

Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous
reddish-brown and tan mixed female (part lab, weim?,
something with pricked ears?). She was spayed and
a year old.

After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try
to entice him to play and body-slammed him
a couple of times. He started to try to hump
the little flirt - and not just the sideways air
humps that he tries on our GSD - he was
grabbing her around the waist.

I yanked him off and put him in a sit - several times.
But this shameless little hussy kept backing up to
him with her tail in sideways position - an invitation
if I've ever seen one!

Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious...
but we sure don't know what to do about Mr.
Hormones' behavior!

FurPaw
--
"In a sense, we are hallucinating all the time.
What we call normal vision is our selecting the
hallucination that best fits reality."
- V. S. Ramachandran

To reply, unleash the dog

From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:07:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Boston Terrier "Humping"

HOWEDY funky foots,

"FurPaw" <furpawnews...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:47WdneMTJ_...@comcast.com

> LDRS News Glo wrote:
> > I wrote a few weeks ago about my problem with
> > my new 10 month old Boston Terrier, who is now
> > 11 months.

And she's wrtiting AGAIN for THE SAME PROBLEM.

> > The problem was he was "humping" my two Pugs.

The PROBLEM is LDRS is a IMBECILE.

<snip idiocy>

> I wish I had the answer, Gloria!

You've NEVER had a "answer," funky foots.

IN FACT, your own dogs have had EVERY
behavior problem in creation.

> I have an 8 year old yellow lab who
> was neutered at 9 months, and he is
> still Mr. Hormones!

Your dog is HYPERACTIVE on accHOWENT
of you're a DOG ABUSER, funky foots.

> Yesterday in the park we met up with a gorgeous
> reddish-brown and tan mixed female (part lab, weim?,
> something with pricked ears?). She was spayed and
> a year old. After the obligatory sniffs, she started to try
> to entice him to play and body-slammed him a couple
> of times. He started to try to hump the little flirt - and
> not just the sideways air humps that he tries on our
> GSD - he was grabbing her around the waist.

> I yanked him off and put him in a sit - several times.

Well THAT'S HOWE COME you can't TRAIN
your dog NOT to DO that, dog abuser.

> But this shameless little hussy kept backing
> up to him with her tail in sideways position -
> an invitation if I've ever seen one!

You've probably never had WON.

> Luckily, his owner thought this was all hilarious...
> but we sure don't know what to do about Mr.
> Hormones' behavior!

You're a MENTAL CASE, funky foots.

> FurPaw

Subject: Re: 8 month old misbehaving
Date: 2004-04-08 18:35:59 PST

HOWEDY funky foots,

Doesn't it ever EMBARRASS you that your own
dogs have had EVERY behavior problem in
creation cause you don't have the intellect to
HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog?

"FurPaw" <furpawnews...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Vd-dnRI1eOK...@comcast.com...
> Bill F wrote:
> > Looking for more suggestions on how to appropriately
> > correct misbehaviors as well as moral support.

> FWIW, our GSD, Dylan, was very destructive when
> she was a pup. When we were out of the house we
> kept her confined in a pen in a small room, with toys
> and chewies.

> One time when we came home she proudly presented
> us with the pieces of carpet that she'd ripped up (it was
> very old carpeting). She was around ten months old.
> And one time we tried confining Oppie (Lab) in the
> bathroom when we went out for a couple of hours.
> We returned to a door that was deeply gouged
> with his claw marks.

> He'd also tried to climb out the window (closed
> and locked) and bent up the aluminum miniblinds.
> Our mistake was that we hadn't adapted him to
> the bathroom.

> Stupid Mommy Dog!

> We took the tactic that other posters have suggested,
> that is, don't give the dogs the opportunity to be
> destructive by confining them with interesting toys
> and not much else.
>
> Sometimes, despite your best efforts, they manage
> to destroy anyhow, but mostly they'll sleep.

> The good news was that both dogs were out of their
> destructive phase by the time they were about a year
> and a half old.

> Good luck with yours...
> FurPaw

NHOWE WHO'S THE TROLL, funky foots?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

diddy

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Jan 5, 2008, 11:52:53 PM1/5/08
to
FurPaw <furrea...@gmaildog.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
news:JrSdnfNeRoqdyh3a...@comcast.com:

> diddy wrote:
>
>> You might get your house wiring checked?
>
> Why? (Not contentious, curious).
>
> FurPaw
>

Because if something is going awry in the wiring, a dog might notice with a
human unaware.

My dogs started acting wierd a couple years ago. Danny, who had alerted us
to TWO fires, seemed very attuned to those kind of things.
He started pacing, and had an unexplained restlessness. Since he currently
was in a state where he was already having medical issues, we assumed his
restlessness was from a known cause. But then something tipped us off that
there was a household wiring problem of serious nature. We called in an
electrician who fixed the problem and suddenly Danny stopped his wierd
restless behavior.

We didn't associate the behaviors until the problem was fixed and Danny
returned to normal.

So although we never proved Danny was trying to tell us something was
wrong, and this dog HAS been checked by a vet.. I maintain.. just something
icky and squicky in the back of my mind.. niggles and jiggles, and tells me
to suggest getting their wiring checked.

Can't prove anything.. just a hunch. It might save their lives. It sounds
so whacked out, I'm embarrassed to explain it. But since you asked..

DelusionalDimen...@i-love-dogs.com

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Jan 5, 2008, 10:45:36 PM1/5/08
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HOWEDY WakeBdr,

I'm posting to you directly in response to diddler's reply to your


post advising you to seek a HOWEsHOWELD wiring technician.

diddler is a PROFESSIONAL DOG TRAINER... she knows


EVERY THING abHOWET dog behavior problems from first

hand EXXXPERIENCE goin through them with her own hyper-


active HOWETA CON-TROLL DEAD an DEATHLY ILL dogs.

diddler and the other posters here are MENTALLY ILL and


desperately need their rest. If you reply to them you'll be
inciting them to go MANIC and possibly require further
HOWEspitalization.

PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB the MENTAL PATIENTS:

"diddy" <none> wrote in message
news:Xns9A1CDD5EA13...@216.196.97.142...


> WakeBdr <bb...@optiosoftware.com> spoke these words of wisdom in
> news:5354368c-51cf-4c00...@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> This started Thursday evening. My 3.5 year old Boykin Spaniel
>> will not sit still or sleep. She keeps pacing around like she's deathly
>> afraid of something.

>> It's absolutely killing me to see her like this.


>> Anyone got any ideas of what might cause something like this?
>
> You might get your house wiring checked?

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