Problem with new dog hating boyfriend
YvonneD
is very sweet and friendly to everyone except my friend's boyfriend
(not really "boyfriend" but a man who is her friend). When this guy
comes to her house the dog barks, growls and lunges for him. The dog
weighs about 80 lbs. so it's not easy holding her back.
He has tried bringing her treats. He has tried talking to her
gently. Nothing seems to work. Clearly this man reminds the dog of
someone in her past life that must have mistreated her. She was found
as a stray so no background is known.
My friend is at her whits end. She loves the dog, but also loves her
friend. She wants more than anything for the dog to at least
tolerate him. Is there anything she or he can do? I'm afraid she
may have to return the dog to the shelter which would break her heart.
William Clodius
Things that should be done
A. Get the dog and the owner into a dog obediance class. This is always
a good idea whether or not it helps with this particular problem.
B. Evaluate the friend to determine what is different about him. Does he
wear something unusual (e.g., a hat) does he have an unusual build, etc.
C. Have an expert, preferably a behaviorist, but a trainer may be
sufficient, evaluate the interactions
D. Get a dog crate and get the dog used to being in the crate and happy.
(this is useful in general) Then have the friend come over whie the dog
is in the crate. Make the visits brief at first and far from the crate
if possible, to test reactions, and see if the comfort of the crate
makes the dog less defensive.
--
Bill Clodius
los the lost and net the pet to email
YvonneD
thanks. great suggestions.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009
Subject: Re: wee wee pads for a Papillon - take two
HOWEDY jane,
"Jane" <googlemail2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have already posted this question but did not get any help.
SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???
> Maybe I didn't make my situation clear.
Perhaps *you* didn't GET THE POINT, jane?
Your newfHOWEND MENTAL CASE PALS AIN'T
GOT NO IDEA HOWE to pupperly raise, train an
handle innocent defenseless dumb critters AS
PROVEN BY their own POSTED CASE HISTORIES
which I QUOTE for your edification <{}: ~ ( >
Here's ALL the INFORMATION YOU NEED:
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
"YvonneD" <googlem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> My friend recently adopted a mixed breed dog from a shelter. The dog
> is very sweet and friendly to everyone except my friend's boyfriend
> (not really "boyfriend" but a man who is her friend). When this guy
> comes to her house the dog barks, growls and lunges for him. The dog
> weighs about 80 lbs. so it's not easy holding her back.
Physically restraining or lockin a dog in a box is an ABSURD
OBSCENITY; you can EZily TRAIN your dog to NOT BE AFRAID
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY
OPPOSITE of HOWE the self-puported EXXXPERTS recommend.
> He has tried bringing her treats.
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge,
demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon
that an expected reward not received is experienced
as a punishment and can produce extensive and
persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
> He has tried talking to her gently.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At
UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can
Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving
Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of
Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
> Nothing seems to work.
INDEED? Perhaps they DON'T KNOW HOWE
to pupperly handle, raise an train ANY critter?
> Clearly this man reminds the dog of someone
> in her past life that must have mistreated her.
Possibly, but probably not.
> She was found as a stray so no background is known.
That's IRRELEVANT <{}:~ ( >
> My friend is at her whits end.
LikeWIZE <{}';~ ) >
> She loves the dog, but also loves her friend.
But of curse~!
> She wants more than anything for the dog
> to at least tolerate him.
Do you think THEY'D be willin to invest a HOWER
or so STUDYING HOWE to pupperly raise, handle
an train their dog?
You, evidently, AIN'T BEEN INTERESTED in learnin
HOWE to raise, handle an train your own dog <{}:~( >
> Is there anything she or he can do?
It'll require maybe a HOWER and a half STUDYIN
an then maybe a half HOWER or so to apply the
MOST EFFECTIVE METHODS in the WHOWEL
WILD WORLD <{}:~ ) >
> I'm afraid she may have to return the dog to
> the shelter which would break her heart.
And THEN the RESCUERS at the SHELTER will
MURDER IT as a "owner surrendered human
aggressive dog" --- R.I.P. doggy <{}:~ ( >
ALL TEMPERAMENT And BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS
ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
Therefore ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems
CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
Simply By DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY, PRECISELY OPPOSITE Of
HOWE
The Self-Puported EXXXPERTS Recommend
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture";
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's And All Dogs And
ALL BEHAVIORS, ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES
ALL OVER
The Whole Wild World
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your Own FREE Copy Of
The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ ) >
-----------------
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?).
--Larry
================
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes:
"No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS"??
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.
>
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
>
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.
>
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.
>
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: "Dr. Von" <drv...@mindspring.com>
Date: 12 Sep 2005 10:52:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Clicker Training for Dogs Newsgroups?
Jen wrote:
> I would love to know of one as well. If there was
> enough people interested maybe we could start one.
> I've just started clicker training my dog and have
> been doing the positive training for a while now.
> I think it's great!!
> Jen
> "artbylucy" <artbyl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OMudnRS23OLEc7ze...@comcast.com...
> > Hello,
> > Does anyone know of a dedicated newsgroup for
> > positive-only dog training, in particular clicker
> > training?
> > Thanks,
> > Lucy
Jen, your request for a positive only dog training list,
needs the same answer as I give the folk who ask why I
don't have a list for what I do with biofeedback.
The method is so simple, and if you adopt it and relate
to your dog in such a positive manner you won't have any
more problems and there is no need for any more technique.
With Puppies we Ph.D. psychologists have been outflanked
by the entirely practical and effective methods described
in http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u. Free download, nothing
sold, no mailing list, no distribution of your name. Free
support if needed.
With ADHD kids I provide similar information at
www.drbiofeedback.com and there is no need for
a list dealing with problems with kids. Apply
as directed and have happy healthy doggies or
kiddies.
Not difficult.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
P.S. jerk and choke, spanking, shocking, scruff shake,
choke, chin chucks, all those negatives, denial of
affection etc. are harmful, dranging, obscenities.
You might want to consider Pavlov's typology to
understand "hard and soft dogs" - essentially he
taught that there are outward and inward responding
organisms in weak and strong nervous systems and if
you grasp this firmly you'll shape your training
methods effectively.
Punishment ALWAYS deranges behavior, and so is
recommended and given only by deranged humans.
Of course, it doesn't matter if we are talking
dogs, cats, people, sheep, even husbands. Dr. Von
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
--------------------------
Geoff Miller
YvonneD <googlem...@yahoo.com> writes:
> He has tried bringing her treats. He has tried talking
> to her gently.
Well, if the gentle approach doesn't work, the logical
fallback is for the guy to get the dog to fear and respect
him by establishing physical dominance. Sort of like
dealing with Arabs. Being liked is good. When it isn't
in the cards, being respected is a serviceable substitute.
Once dominance has been established -- say, through smacking
the dog across the snout with a rolled-up newspaper, or, if
she's too out of control for that, kicking her in the chops
when she growls -- the boyfriend can gradually make friendly
overtures to the dog on his own terms.
You've got to think like a dog, you see.
Geoff
--
"The next thing you know, the administration will call
terrorists 'anger-management-challenged candidates for
catch and release.'" -- former CIA director James Woolsey
William Clodius
awaiting euthanesia in a shelter.
Alison
"YvonneD" <googlem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b27042b0-9bfd-4106...@u37g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> is very sweet and friendly to everyone except my friend's boyfriend
> (not really "boyfriend" but a man who is her friend). When this guy
> comes to her house the dog barks, growls and lunges for him. The dog
> weighs about 80 lbs. so it's not easy holding her back.
>
> He has tried bringing her treats. He has tried talking to her
> gently. Nothing seems to work. Clearly this man reminds the dog of
> someone in her past life that must have mistreated her. She was found
> as a stray so no background is known.
>
>
I would tell him not to make eye contact and not speak to her at all and
as William said get professional help from a reputable behaviourist .
Alison
Alison
"William Clodius" <wclo...@lost-alamos.pet> wrote in message
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Absolutely!
I expect Geoff is a troll.
Alison
Geoff Miller
"William Clodius" <wclo...@lost-alamos.pet> writes:
>> Geoffs recomendation is a good way to get a bitten
>> human and a dog awaiting euthanesia in a shelter.
Nonsense. Dogs are pack animals, and a human has
to establish dominance as "leader of the pack."
(vroom! vroom!) I don't advocate brutalizing
the animals, merely employing a judicious amount
of rough stuff to get their attention and establish
who's boss.
Alison <ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> responds:
> I expect Geoff is a troll.
You expect wrong. I'm deadly serious. Suspecting
someone of trolling just because they have opinions
vastly different from your own is intellectual
slovenliness. Not to mention just a wee bit too
convenient.
Anyway...
In an age when many dogs are surrogate children to
their owners, it should hardly be surprising that
dog training techniques have come to echo the soft,
ineffectual child-rearing style of the day where
parents try to "reason" with toddlers and "time-
outs" and used in lieu of spanking.
Never underestimate the effectiveness of a rolled-
up newspaper across the snout.
Paul E. Schoen
"Geoff Miller" <geo...@lava.net> wrote in message
news:8Z6dndzi86RA3trW...@posted.lavanet...
It is important to let a dog know you are the leader, and some dogs are
harder to convince than others. I do believe that the gentlest effective
method is the way to go, but some dogs (and humans) will take advantage of
a "too light" approach. I have followed some discussions on the Dog
Whisperer site as well as Victoria Stilwell's www.positively.com, and there
are valid reasons for using either method. CM seems to be more versatile
and he gets very quick results and is effective in really difficult cases.
VS seems to stay with bratty little dogs and clueless owners.
There was a thread in the VS forum entitled "I'm a Bloody Mess Today" about
a young woman's attempts to discourage an adolescent dog from lunging at
her and biting to the point of drawing blood, and the advice given by these
gentle geniuses was to wear extra layers of protective clothing and just
ignore the dog's attacks until he got bored. Clearly this was a case where
a firm physical aversive was needed. Some dogs are born to please, while
others must be coerced into having respect for the human.
And you are right about excessive permissiveness causing delinquency and
anti-social behavior in children, and the adults they become. I believe
even Dr Spock attempted to dissuade young parents from going too far in
following their interpretation of what he wrote.
Paul and Muttley
www.MuttleyDog.com
Geoff Miller
Paul E. Schoen <pa...@peschoen.com> writes:
> [...] the advice given by these gentle geniuses was
> to wear extra layers of protective clothing and just
> ignore the dog's attacks until he got bored.
That's nuts. The owner's not wearing extra layers of
clothing wasn't the problem; the dog's behavior was the
problem.
Jerry Howe - The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard <{}'; ~ ) >
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-
long INCURABLE Malignant MaliciHOWES NAZI MENTAL PATIENT,
"Paul E. Schoen" <pa...@peschoen.com> wrote in message
news:svN1n.4820$nR4....@newsfe01.iad...
>
> "Geoff Miller" <geo...@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:8Z6dndzi86RA3trW...@posted.lavanet...
>
>> "William Clodius" <wclo...@lost-alamos.pet> writes:
>>
>>>> Geoffs recomendation is a good way to get a bitten
>>>> human and a dog awaiting euthanesia in a shelter.
LUCKY thing william has been a UNDIAGNOSED MENTAL PATIENT
and shelter / rescue volunteer for most of his pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten animal an child abusin life:
"William Clodius" <wclo...@lost-alamos.pet> wrote in message
"FWIW I believe I have Asperger's, but that diagnosis only
became common in the 90s, several decades after the time
in life when that diagnosis might have been very useful to me."
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> Nonsense. Dogs are pack animals, and a human has
>> to establish dominance as "leader of the pack."
Any self puported EXXXPERT who talks abHOWET "dominance"
and "pack leadership" is a dog abusin coward or MENTAL PATIENT.
>> (vroom! vroom!) I don't advocate brutalizing the animals,
But of curse not~!
> merely employing a judicious amount of rough stuff
You mean PAIN FORCE FEAR and INTIMIDATION <{}:~ ) >
An EXXXCELLENT choice when you run HOWETA IDEAS and INFORMATION~!
> to get their attention and establish who's boss.
INDEED? Is bein "BOSS" important enought to MURDER your critters over?
>> Alison <ali...@XYZallofus2.fsnet.co.uk> responds:
alison is a CONGENITAL IDIOT who JERKS CHOKES BRIBES
CRATES INTIMIDATES an MURDERS innocent defenseless dumb
critters an LIES abHOWET it <{}:~ ( >
>>> I expect Geoff is a troll.
alison works in a boardin kennel pickin up SHIT when she's not at her own
HOWES abusin her own fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
dogs an tellin folks to MURDER their own fearful doggys <{}: ~ ( >
Here's alison's EXXXCELLENT advice to a new SHELTER / RESCUE dog:
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
Val writes Monday, 6/3/02:
Well, for what it's worth, I am praising without physical
contact and she does seem to listen better than when I
would praise with it. I agree that it is a distraction.
Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I
started the Witts End.
---------------------
That was 3 DAYS after her original post of 5/31 with
a dog fighter who turned on her and her grandkid.
-------------------------
SEE?
Here's a couple more dogs rehabilitated from aggression NEARLY INSTANTLY
simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE
these lyin animal murderin ignorameHOWESES PREFER:
From: BNTDOBES @aol.com
To: jho...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002
Subject: Re: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always
Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."
Dear Jerry,
It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.
Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.
I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails.
All 4 feet.
My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.
He even tried to kiss a child the other day.
Major break through.
This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the windshield.
So Jerry tell these people that the first rule of dog training
is Do No Harm.
The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.
Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down. Hunter was
diagnosed aggressive and he is going to stay alive and by
my side where he belongs.
Thank you so much.
Kay
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AND LIKE THIS:
From: "Marisa" <mari...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002
Subject: one day
I started some of the simple techniques in
Jerrys manual today.
The family pack exercise.... come command.....
that's all so far though.
I did get the proper equipment as well.
20 foot leash, cans with pennies partially
crushed, flat collar, etc.
I have also stopped any negative reinforcment
such as loud "No" and "Bad girl Sonique!"
(Sonique is my Jack russell) and holding her
back, which I normally MUST do or she'll jump
and nip sometimes, but always jumping and barking.
Already tonight some has started working.
When someone came to the door, Sonique
went nuts as usual.
I said "Thank you Sonique!"
"It's o.k. girl, thank you!"
And we got a total of about 6 barks and then
no jumping on guests, no biting, growling
or the worst, the continued barking she
normally does.
She accepted my praise, and trooted around,
still excited over guests, but she was WAY
more under control.
Even my roomates noticed this.
She repeated this same thing
without all her normal fuss later
when another two friends came over.
So I do need more time, going to keep with it
another day, another month whatever until I
know I am getting results, although I must say,
so far I am impressed with my dog.
She really responds to praise better than
she ever has responded to treats as distraction
from the guests and doorbell, or me yelling
"bad girl! go away now! shoosh up!" all the time.
I am also verbally praising her everytime
she makes eye contact with me. so hopefully
things will continue going well!-
- Marisa
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Here's alison's IDIOTIC ADVICE:
"Alison" <aliso...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:ad7n4p$ufmv0$1...@ID-80210.news.dfncis.de...
> Hi Valerie, It's kind of you to adopt an unwanted dog.
Yeah? It's UN kind of you to lie to Valerie, alison. You're an official
member of our Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Thug Cowards.
> I hope it works out .
Maybe with a little LUCK she'll be able to fix this dog?
> This is not something you can tackle alone.
You're a liar, alison. I told Valerie WE'D have her dog trained in two
weeks, and I'll STAKE MY LIFE on it, alison. Just as I was willing to
do with Nevyn's two fighting female pbx's, alison. You remember
Nevyn, don't you? Took him 23 days flat to train his 2 dogS NEVER
to fight again WITH ANY DOG.
> This dog has issues.
NO. The dog is a dog. YOU got issues with dogs cause YOU FEAR and
HATE them for making YOU LOOK INCOMPETENT and INFERIOR, and
NOT IN CONTROL, i.e., STUPID, alison.
That EMBARRASSES you. And Jerry makes YOU FEEL GUILTY.
Your GUILT makes YOU HATE YOURSELF.
But because you are a COWARD, you turn your SELF HATE OUTwards,
and BLAME JERRY for YOU being a LIAR to cover up for the FACT that
YOU'D KILL THIS DOG as YOUR PAL tara o did to Summer.
I even offered Summer a PERMENANT HOWES with me and my family,
FOREVER. But Summer TRUSTED YOUR PAL tara o, so she KILLED
HER so's she wouldn't VIOLATE SUMMER'S TRUST.
That's HOWE COME I'm dropping the hammer on you and your Gang Of
Miserable Lying Dog Abusing Thug Cowards, alison. YOU'RE OUTTA HERE.
> It mustbe completely over whelming for a dog to be in a kennels for two
> years
You pick up shit in a kennel for a livin, alison? I've never seen what
you're
saying to be true in my 40 years professional experience...NEVER. You're
a liar and a dog abuser. YOU have dogs that develop problems in long term
boarding cause you're a dog abuser...not cause the dog is kenneled.
> and then suddenly have to live in a society where
Where DOG LOVERS would HURT and KILL IT TO BE FAIR?
> she has forgotten the rules.
What rules, alison? We're talking about FEAR. The SAME FEAR you
and your lying dog abusing Thug Coward pals are experiencing RIGHT
NOW that provokes YOU TO LIE in defense of your own fragile ego,
inferiority complexes, and to conceal your weak mindedness..., alison.
You're TOO STUPID TO LIVE.
> She needs re-hab like prisoners do.
You need mental health treatment, alison. You got a LYING problem,
cause of your GUILT. This is a SYNDROME going about the dog behavior
industry brought on by STRESS from Jerry PRESSURING and doling out
appropriate ATTRITION, as your pals lying frosty dahl and sindy "don't let
the dog SCREAM" mooreon and professor lying doc SCRUFF SHAKE
dermer PREFER when their MISUNDERSTOOD science FAILS them.
> Go back to the shelter and ask for help and advice.
YOU KNOW THEY'LL KILL HER OR LOCK HER UP AGAIN.
> Find out why the dog was there in the first place.
Oh? You want to socialize with the other dog abuser who abandoned
their dog when they couldn't HURT IT enough to make it love and respect
them, alison?
HOWE COME you're interested in the past? Today is when we'll train this dog
to be HAPPY and LOVE her people for being NICE to her and encouraging her
to be kindly to other living creatures SHE doesn't understand.
YOU HURT AND KILL DOGS because you dog lovers can't stop
jerking and choking your dogs to force control to keep everybody
SAFE because YOU are AFRAID.
YOUR FEAR AND GUILT HAS DRIVEN YOU TO DISTRACTION.
> Ask your vet to give the dog a health check in case the dog is in pain .
Yes. We'll set the appointment for the day after I projected we'll complete
TRAINING. If the dog STILL has this behavior problem in two short weeks,
we'll see the vet and have the dog KILLED TO BE FAIR, alison.
Here's THIS DOG'S LAST CHANCE, alison and YOUR INTENT is to
MISLEAD Valerie into TRUSTING DOG ABUSERS whom you know
goddamned well CANNOT train her dog and will teach her to HURT IT
to force control and when THAT scientific method FAILS AGAIN, they'll
ADVISE her TO KILL HER DOG!
TO BE FAIR.
What's so scary about Valerie working with Jerry? Well, Valerie will PROVE
Jerry's right AGAIN, and YOUR GUILT will be EXPOSED AGAIN, and that
will cause YOU great PAIN, as you INTENDED to do to Valerie to SAVE
YOURSELF FROM THE NEEDLE.
You'd RATHER HURT and KILL dogs than admit that Jerry is right cause
Jerry's laying the BLAME for dead dogs squarely on alison for condoning
hurting and killing dogs because they SCARE YOU because you FEEL
you are not in control unless you're HURTING them.
> Some illnesses or the thyroid can cause aggression.
We're not dealin with a sick dog, we're dealing with a very GUILTY dog
abuser/dog lover/dog hater/dog killer/ Card Carrying Lying Dog Abusing
Gang Of Thug Cowards member fighting to defend her MISERABLE
reputation and HER FEELINGS of GUILT for being a DOG KILLER.
And you've just proven it AGAIN.
> Call in a behaviourist
Have your goddamned behaviorist call Jerry and I'll TEACH him HOWE to
train this dog just like I'll train Valierie TODAY to cure this problem in
record breaking time without hurting or killing her... alison.
> and ask him or her to come to the house.
To SEE the dogs fight? Didn't you read my post to Valerie? Of course you
did! If Valerie accepts my offer she'll LAUGH at YOU alison, and THAT'S
my ONLYgoal today... to make you look like a liar and dog abuser as you do
after you read my post to Valerie and then read your post...alison DOG
LOVER.
> Until you get professional help
You're the one who needs professional help, alison.
You're telling Valerie to see a dog abuser and pay him hundreds to tell
her NUTHIN but to HURT and KILL her dog after he and the veterinarian
surgically remove the OP's bank account and take her kids piggy bank to
haul off the DEAD DOG they've trained AGAIN and your vet will smile and
say 'it's a wonderful job' and your behaviorist will go to his HOWES and
uncrate his dogs and let them fight it out amongst themselfs cause he's
just as fearful and unknowledgeable as you and your pals here, alison.
And the vet will open a new file for your next puppy shots.
> back off from the dog and don't put her in stressful situation
You mean like holding her down on the exam table while her vet KILLS her?
Or hoding her down for the exam to see if she should go see the behaviorist
who'll tell her to HURT her dog as Norman was told to do last month, alison?
YOU SEE THIS ALL THE TIME, and YOU SEE MY METHODS CURE DOGS
LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME, NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot~!
We'd think a dog lover like Alison would recommend Jerry's FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com
and tell her to study my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual available
for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com and tell her Jerry is always
available to
HELP and GUARANTEES he can rehabilitate this or any dog in a few minutes
over a couple of days...as he always has PROVEN he does.
> and don' t let children and strangers near her.
Good idea alison. You'd think the OP woulda figgered that out by
herself... but probably not, considering who she's askin for help...
> Don't force issues or confrontation.
Oh, that's gonna make you a dog lover? Cause you don't OVERTLY HURT DOGS?
> The best thing to do for now is to
KILL THE DOG TO BE FAIR?
> withdraw from her .
To build her confidence?
> She will feel more comfortable if you don' t make to much of a fuss.
Right. Just ignore IT.
That's CONTRAWISE to my Teachings, AIN'T IT, alison: "ANY behavior
that's IGNORED REPRESSED or REWARDED will only CHANGE to
other, worse, temperament or behavior problems as anXXXIHOWESNESS
RELIEF MECHANISMS or TRAINsfer behaviors" <{}:~ ( >
> Don't look or stare at her.
HOWE COME? That's NOT what it sez in your FREE copy of
my FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual, IS IT, alison.
> Tell your family to ignore her.
Good idea, alison. You're helping to MURDER the dog.
> This sounds like you are snubbing her
Yeah, don't it?? You are. I wouldn't do that cause that's
CONTRAWISE to intelligent thinking and action, alison.
> and it's hard to do
Nothins hard for our dog lovers to do. You KILL dogs. DON'T YOU, alison.
> but it's a natural action in the dog world.
Yeah? KILLIN DOGS is a rpdb CONVENTION.
> It helps her relax and relieves pressure
That's ABSURD! YOU'RE A IDIOT, alison.
> Do a search on the web about dog behaviour
You recommended a book that taught you HOWE to know all
about doggie talkie, alison. REMEMBER? Just tell us HOWE
your expert advises FIXIN this?
Our good friend dr ian dunbar WOULDN'T TOUCH THIS DOG,
HE'D KILL IT... tell him I said so and tell him we can discuss this
small matter. Better tell him to read Nevyn's thread first, cause
this makes FOUR dogs in about a month he'd NEED to HELP
by KILLING THEM TO BE FAIR cause they're all committed
dog fighters.
> or get some books from the library.
Our dog lovers recommend koehler. Ask ed w of pet loss dot CON.
eddie sez koehler is probably the worlds greatest trainer.
> http://www.canismajor.com/dog/aggres1.html
Here's what's on that link"
"Owners should always be given the cold, hard facts:
they should never feel guilty for having an aggressive
DOG EUTHANIZED."
THANKS ALISON!
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SEE?
HOWEver, what alison LACKS in MORALS,
ETHICKS, PRINCIPLES, and HUMAN DECENCY
she compensates for with SYMPATHY <{}: ~ ) >
LIKE THIS:
"Alison" <ali...@a.XYZfsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6ndi93F...@mid.individual.net...
> <gaikokujinkyofu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2e140334-12c6-4131...@p10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Subject: Re: Cappy [RIP]
Sunday, February 10, 2008
HOWEDY alison you congential idiot, liar, dog abusin punk thug
coward and active acute chronic life long incurable mental case,
It's on accHOWENTA ignorameHOWESES like yourself the
dog abusin cowards like diddler CONtinue postin their lies
abuse and idiocy here <{}: ~ ( >
"Alison" <ali...@a.XYZfsnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:
615cifF1t8tm...@mid.individual.net...
> "diddy" <none> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A3E70638F4...@216.196.97.142...
>> This morning, the beagle went out, slipped on ice and tore her knee
>> ligaments. Rather than spending $$$$ on an aging beagle, we put her down.
Yeah. Like horses, when a Beagle goes lame, you gotta SHOOT IT.
> I'm sorry to hear about Cappy.
INDEEDY. Ain't we all? And just think, only a couple
weeks ago your mentally ill pal diddler was writing Cap's
OBITUARY for havin an intestinal blockage from eatin
poop.
Who'da thunk the ol Crapster would shit the bed from
NATURAL CAUSES like a dislocated knee joint and
a BULLET in ITS HEAD, alison???
--------------------
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
>> You expect wrong. I'm deadly serious.
No DHOWET <{}:~ ) >
>> Suspecting someone of trolling just because they have opinions
>> vastly different from your own is intellectual slovenliness.
What would you EXXXPECT from a CONGENITAL IDIOT, geoffm?
>> Not to mention just a wee bit too convenient.
INDEEDY~!
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING;
Therefore ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems
CAN BE EXXXTINGUISHED NEARLY INSTANTLY
Simply By DOIN EVERY THING
EXXXACTLY, PRECISELY OPPOSITE Of
HOWE
The Self-Puported EXXXPERTS Recommend
ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.
Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture";
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
>> Anyway...
You mean 'anyHOWE', geoff <{}:~ ( >
>> In an age when many dogs are surrogate children to their owners,
That's IRRELEVANT IMMATERIAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL <{}: ~ ( >
>> it should hardly be surprising that dog training techniques have come
>> to echo the soft, ineffectual child-rearing style of the day where
>> parents try to "reason" with toddlers and "time- outs" and used in lieu
>> of spanking.
You mean folks don't HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs an kids enough?
That's ABSURD and INSANE and UNSCIENTIFIC:
"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Pavlov.
"...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation,
inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson,
Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH
That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily
And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care
Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggys.
A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill
School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back
In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They
Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their
Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK!
The Embry Study:
"While some may find it strange that reprimands
might increase the chances of a child going into
the street, the literature on the experimental analysis
of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention
to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of
more inappropriate behavior.
Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason
with their children about dashing into the street will
likely to have the opposite impact.
Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it."
Source:
"Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to
Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic
Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis
in the Natural Environment. Research Report
Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project."
"It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in deviant behavior
of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines
with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping
the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION
ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact
with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL
cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by
simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
----------------------
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
ONLY ABUSED children ABUSE innocent defenseless dumb critters.
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Abuse / Fear / Aggression / Hyperactivity / Shyness /
Depression / Suicide Attempts AIN'T Genetic Problems,
They're SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS,
Passed On From WON GeneratiHOWEN Of Abuser
To The Next,
Like The 100th Monkey Washin Fruit In The Stream.
After A While It's Not Just NORMAL, It's
-OBLIGATORY-
To Do OtherWIZE Would Be
DISRESPECTFUL
Of Your Parental Teachins.
The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME Is the Perfect Synergy Of
Love, Pride, Desire, Shame, Greed, Ego, Fear, Hate, Reflex,
Self Will, Arrogance, Ignorance, Predjudice, Cowardice,
Disbelief, Jealousy, Embarrassment, Embellishment, Guilt,
Anger, Hopelessness, Helplesness, Aversion, Attraction,
Inhibition, Revulsion, Repulsion, Change, Permanence,
Enlightenment, Insult, Attrition And Parental / ReligiHOWES /
Societal CONDITIONING;
*YOU ARE*
THE CRITTER YOU WAS TRAINED.
It Is The Perfect Fusion Of The Word..., In The Physical.
There Are NO GRAY AREAS
Between
RIGHT And WRONG.
"Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
as separate, not the wise.
If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.
The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.
He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."
"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.
What is the use of compulsion then?
The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.
They only obstruct the path," -
- Bhagavad Gita,
adapted by Krishna with permission
from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~ ) >
ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems Are
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING
>> Never underestimate the effectiveness of a rolled-
>> up newspaper across the snout.
IF you want to learn HOWE to use PAIN FEAR FORCE and
INTIMIDATION pupperly, I suggest you quit playin GRABASS
with your dogs an kids an break HOWET the paddle an USE
IT EFFECTIVELY on accHOWENTA if you DON'T, your dogs
an kids WILL TURN ON YOU <{}:~ ) >
> It is important to let a dog know you are the leader,
You mean "BOSS"?
> and some dogs are harder to convince than others.
PERHAPS you ain't usin the most rewarding treats?
> I do believe that the gentlest effective method is the way to go,
But of curse~!
> but some dogs (and humans) will take advantage of a "too light" approach.
That so, geoffm? "Seem" the "BALANCED TRAINER" approach CAUSES
these DEATHLY temperament and behavior problems; PAIN FEAR FORCE
INTIMIDATION and withHOWELDIN affection and attention CAUSE your
dogs an children to GO INSANE, kinda JUST LIKE THEIR ABUSERS <{}:~ ( >
> I have followed some discussions on the Dog Whisperer site as well as
> Victoria Stilwell's www.positively.com, and there are valid reasons for
> using either method.
stillwell an "dog whisperer" are FRAUDS an DOG ABUSIN SCAM ARTISTS <{}:~ ( >
> CM seems to be more versatile and he gets very quick results
That so? "Seem" his students dogs GOT EVERY temperament and behavior problem
in the books.
> and is effective in really difficult cases.
No, it ONLY APPEARS to be effective; it's only TEMPORARY as ALL temperament
and behavior problems "EXXXTINGUISHED" by FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION
only CHANGE to OTHER, OFTEN WORSE, SEEMINGLY NON RELATED temperament
and behavior and heelth problems as anXXXIHOWESNESS RELIEF MECHANISMS or
TRAINSFER behaviors.
> VS seems to stay with bratty little dogs and clueless owners.
They're JUST AS INCOMPETENT as 'z dog wheeesperer's' "METHODS" <{}:~ ( >
> There was a thread in the VS forum entitled "I'm a Bloody Mess Today"
> about a young woman's attempts to discourage an adolescent dog from
> lunging at her and biting to the point of drawing blood, and the advice
> given by these gentle geniuses was to wear extra layers of protective
> clothing and just ignore the dog's attacks until he got bored.
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> Clearly this was a case where a firm physical aversive was needed.
INDEED? DESPITE THAT FEAR FORCE and INTIMIDATION DON'T WORK as
paulie has DEAMONSTRATED HISSELF with his own fear aggressive hyperactive
DEAD DOGS an KATS??
> Some dogs are born to please, while others must be coerced into having
> respect for the human.
INDEED?
CITES PLEASE, DOG LOVER?
LIKE THIS:
"It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in deviant behavior
of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines
with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping
the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION
ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact
with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL
cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe
cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by
simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
> And you are right about excessive permissiveness causing delinquency
> and anti-social behavior in children, and the adults they become.
paulie bases his "BELIEFS" on his drunken brother and abusive Nazi parents
coupled with his own SUCCESS handlin raisin an trainin RESCUE critters~!
> I believe even Dr Spock attempted to dissuade young parents from going
> too far in following their interpretation of what he wrote.
Then perhaps Dr. Spock shoulda chosen his words more carefully?
LIKE THIS:
Skinner (1963) pointed HOWET that operant techniques can "be
utilized fully ONLY IF we REDEFINE the GOALS of education and
the CONDITIONS in the educational environment under which those
goals may be reached... (through) a DIFFERENT KIND of educational
research which is much more closely concerned with the immediate
dimensions of the student's behavior than with gross changes such
as IMPROVED PERFORMANCES."
UNFORTUNATELY, neither Skinner nor ANY OTHER learning theorist
has provided us with a working model of a school or research enterprise
based on systemic and thorough-going APPLICATION of LEARNING
PRINCIPLES.
Skinner (1948, 1953) approaches a definition of the philosophical issues
involved, and provides an utopian model of a school, but generally
psychologists seem STUCK at a level of MANAGEMENT of an aggressively
disturbing child in the classroom, through peer approval, or the aplication
of
accelerating CONsequences in the classroom, or scientifically S-HOWENDING
tactics like "TIME HOWET" (which we used to know more simply as "sendin the
kid to the cloakroom").
SEE? SEE?? SEE???
> Paul and Muttley
> www.MuttleyDog.com
Here's just a FEW of paulie's SUCCESS stories:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
SEE?
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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SEE? SEE?? SEE???
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> You are probably correct that a dog likes to have
> a strong and trustworthy leader,
You mean, kinda like HOWE you krauts PREFERRED Hitler?
> and consistency and calm assertiveness are vital.
That so, paulie?
> I have watched many episodes of Cesar Millan,
He's a DOG ABUSIN COWARD and closet sissy, paulie.
> Victoria Stilwell,
Ahh, I was just watchin her jerkin an chokin a couple Great Danes on
T.V. this mornin, paulie; she told the owners of three Danes WON of
whom at least was wearin a SHOCK COLLAR that her dog needed
"SOCIALIZATION" -- that's ABSURD -- ALL "socialization" is FINISHED
by the time the dog leaves the litterbox. She's a INCOMPETENT FRAUD.
> and lately Brad Pattison on Animal Planet's "Doghouse" show.
He's a DOG ABUSIN COWARD like the ces, paulie.
> Cesar seems to be the most reasonable and successful with his triple play
> of exercise, discipline, and affection,
AND don't forget the usual JERKIN CHOKIN an SHOCKIN an HANGIN.
He's a MENTAL CASE, just like koehler an you PATHETIC MISERABLE
STINKIN ROTTEN LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN COWARDS <{}:~ ( >
> but all of them emphasize strong leadership, attention, respect, and
> consistency.
And THAT'S HOWE COME you ignorameHOWESES CANNOT TRAIN YOUR OWN DOGS.
> Even William Koehler said that the cruelest thing in dog training is
> inconsistency and expecting a dog to do something it does not really
> understand.
Oh? Oh, you mean LIKE THIS?:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will continue
to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving
the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him
tied by the mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing.
(Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much punishing.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
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> Do you actually use German dog commands?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
> I like the way they sound.
INDEED?
Then PERHAPS your dog DON'T LISTEN TO YOU on
accHOWENTA your fake kraut accent sucks, eh, paulie?
> Sometimes I address Muttley by his German name, Muettlich.
Sounds a lot like arslich, eh, paulie?
> But I wonder, should a dog be addressed in the familiar or formal manner?
I think that all depends on whether you're JERKIN CHOKIN or SHOCKIN IT,
paulie.
> When wondering "Was ist los?", should I use "Du bist los" oder "Sie sind
> los"?
I dunno, paulie. Perhaps you need some grandma lessons?
#2 - 6/05/07
>> When I was training him under Janet's supervision
>> I was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
>
> I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm
> yanks on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
>
>> She was able to get his attention with
>> just a quick tug, but I had to yank on it
>> hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
>> him to respond. Looking back now, I think
>> it was based on his fear, which he had for
>> her (as an unknown), but not for me
>> (whom he had learned to trust).
>
> He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a
> confident trainer. Fear has no place in dog
> training, as I told you THEN.
>
> Janet
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
----------------
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <pst...@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it, paulie?
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
news:janet-730AB8....@news.individual.net...
It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
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Cheri
news:8Z6dndzi86RA3trW...@posted.lavanet...
> In an age when many dogs are surrogate children to
> their owners, it should hardly be surprising that
> dog training techniques have come to echo the soft,
> ineffectual child-rearing style of the day where
> parents try to "reason" with toddlers and "time-
> outs" and used in lieu of spanking.
>
> Never underestimate the effectiveness of a rolled-
> up newspaper across the snout.
Effective for the dog, for the out of control children, and for the lazy
parents who are allowing the behavior.
Cheri